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welcome back to hard rom box so we've just finished watching ambe's keynote and joining in with some of you guys no discord chat for some discussion on the event pretty interesting stuff but at the same time amy didn't really pull any major surprises the two big things they discussed were some minor details on third-generation Rison for desktop plus a full announcement of AMD Radeon 7 which is their upcoming consumer Vegas 7 animated GPU and there's no word on Navi at all so let's first kick things off with what AMD showed on third generation rise in CPUs for desktop as expected we didn't get the full product stack unveil or anything like that just a few teasers and a couple of demos the big news is Lisa sue showed off the actual virgin Rison package at the show and an antic also managed to get some close-ups of the CPU at a private meeting basically what we're seeing is a multi die approach with an iodine ler to what the company first showed off last year with their epic CPUs on the left is the i/o die in question and on the right is the seven nanometer CPU core triplet with eight cores inside not super surprising to see the sort of design consumed that's what they first announced with epic but we do actually have official confirmation that that's what it's looking like for third gen rising we don't have any other details to go on so no clock speeds and no confirmation about what rising third gens final core count will be for the high-end part you can see there is clearly space on the package for a second CPU core triplet or perhaps a GPU die for MMD's desktop AP use but aim D isn't ready to talk about anything beyond what they showed off today theoretically a 16 core CPU would be possible with the second triplet shoved in there but we just don't know if anybody will release higher core cap models this generation or in a future generation one example I like to think of is first gen thread Ripper which topped out at 16 cores with to eight core dies and two dummy dies and that was only increased of 32 cores and 0 dummy dies with second gen thread Ripper now I'm not saying one way or another when aimed he might choose to put 16 cores on a m4 but I wouldn't just go to because there's a gap on the interposed for another chip word that AMD will fill that spot this generation will if you learn at some point I think almost certainly when will they feel it though there's no official word at this stage when in countries from and non tech asked MD about more than eight cause the answer was there is some extra room on the package you might expect us to put more on that package again no confirmation on when that will occur whether this is you know with the first generation of this sort of design or with a future product line they also weren't willing to discuss whether the eight Cornwall shown off at the show is a flagship CPU or something more mainstream however they did confirm it would support PCIe 4.0 just like their epic CPS however they did pit third gen rising up against Intel's flagship core I nine and 9900 Kate in Cinebench with both processes scoring roughly the same amount around twenty fifty points in the multi-threaded workload but the key piece of information here is the total system power consumption for the ninety nine hundred K was around a hundred and eighty watts compared to 130 watts for the third gen rising unit with identical components inside otherwise this means the Zen two-sample was operating at around 75 watts compared to 125 watts for the 99 K also we can do some basic extrapolation on the score only achieved here the risin 720 700 X it's around 1770 points in Cinebench so it's rise in 3000 hitting 2050 or so that's a 16% increase with an early engineering sample AMD was keen to stress clock speeds aren't final and it's hard to say exactly how this m2 CPU is clocked because we're not sure how much of a factor i pc improvements have had in delivering this final score if the gains are purely from clock speeds the demo system would be running around 4.5 to 4.6 q hertz all core at 75 watts which is very impressive and shows off what AMD will be able to achieve with seven nanometers it's worth mentioning that AMD's past demos have used CPUs clock reasonably close to their final clock so I wouldn't be expecting performance to change significantly from what AMD showed off today but this demo is quite early compared to the product release which only said expected to happen mid 2019 no specific month or anything was given so that's all on rise in third-generation we got a look at the package we've got a performance demo with some power consumption figures and we know that one model will be eight core so there were no product names no clock speeds no pricing no firm launch dates and nothing else was discussed we'll have to wait for final details and that will happen much closer to the launch however AMD did make one product announcement as we mentioned in our last video discussing ambe's plans for CES and that product is a consumer 70 nanometer Vega GPU known as the Radeon seven its stylized as VII but it's apparently pronounced seven Roman numerals and all that sort of thing if the world's first seven animated gaming GPU and it's based on their die shrink of Vega to seven nanometers also known as Vega xx luckily for us AMD wasn't shy with information about the Radeon seven and that makes sense because the card will be available on February 7th it has 60 compute units for a total of 3840 stream processors a little less than what we saw with vega 64 64 compute units however clock speeds are much higher ambi said the card can hit 1800 megahertz compared to 1546 megahertz for vega 64 we're also getting faster two gigabit per second HP m2 and a whopping 16 gigabytes of it on a 4096 bit bus vega 20 also has a better back-end improved over first gen vega which should improve performance in some situations most notably the rob count has doubled from 64 to 128 and that should solve a lot of bottlenecks with the design while the Radeon 7 has fewer compute units and it's only clocked 16 percent higher than Vega 64 some of those small architecture improvements mean higher than expected performance gains in games AMD is stating the iranian 7 should be between 20 and 42 percent faster than vega 64 with an overall average of 29% as this is a flagship card md have gone all out with performance so power consumption is said to be the same as vega 64 at around 300 watts md is utilizing seven animators to achieve higher performance here rather than lower power consumption with this particular product in terms of a comparison with nvidia AMD showed the Radeon seven matching or beating the GeForce r-tx 2080 in games like Battlefield 5 far cry 5 and strange Brigade with unspecified configurations if that is what performance will actually be like in the end across a wide variety of games that's pretty decent from AMD's new flagship without going all-out and matching the r-tx 2080 Ti and we also showed a demo of Devil May Cry 5 running on the Radeon 7 at 4k and it was hitting upwards of 80 fps although there was no comparison to any other hardware for pricing the Radeon 7 also matches the r-tx 2080 an MSRP of 699 US dollars this seems fine but it's a little disappointing that AMD like Nvidia I guess isn't really adding anything new in terms of a price to performance ratio in the high end GPU market with Nvidia dominating this space for so long they've been able to push out their icx 2080 with a very similar value proposition to their previous GTX 1080i and well ambi is basically just coming and matched that here now we have I guess competition in the ITX 20 class but there's been really no progress on value as this is a GPU using Vega AMD will also run into a few of the issues that have plagued them for a while now power consumption for the Radeon seven will likely be much higher than the ITX 2080 and you won't get any accelerated rate racing functionality now rate racing isn't all that useful just yet but still it's a feature that NVIDIA has with their card that AMD doesn't we're also in the position where AMD is only currently able to match the r-tx 2080 on 7 nanometers at a higher level of power consumption invidious GPS are still using 12 nanometers and are still more efficient and at the very top end still more powerful as well Amie definitely has a long way to go with their next generation GPU architectures to improve that picture especially as in video 7 animator or perhaps eight nanometer cards are on the horizon but at least for now with what is largely a year and a half old architecture MD can hit r-tx 2080 level performance for the first time the Radeon 7 GPU itself ditches the blower style cool for a triple fan design with a beefy heat sink beneath and there appears to be a nice metal shroud around it or with red Radeon branding we should be getting our own ready on seven card relatively soon for testing so stay tuned for the usual benchmarks and comparisons around the cards release on February 7th also anyone who buys a Radeon 7gp you will get Tom Clancy's the division 2 bundled in for free alternatively you can buy either a select risin 5 or aizen 7 cpu to also get the division 2 in a bundle aside from the third generation risin teaser and the announcement of Radeon 7 a.m. d didn't really discuss anything else worth mentioning although they did spend some time I guess rehashing previous announcements such as their second gen mobile AP you line up the rise and stuff is the most interesting to both Steve Knight although there's still a lot to play out there simply put you know there's so much we don't know about these processes at this point why not super surprising considering AMD did launch the Radeon 7 that wasn't a single mention of ambe's next-generation Navi GPUs in the keynote no road map updates or teasers which does suggest it is still quite some time away I guess that makes sense Amy wouldn't want to launch the Radeon 7 then supersede it or their recently released rx 590 so quickly Navi is still scheduled for 2019 but at this point it's looking more like a second half of the Year product so I woke up at 4 a.m. local time here in Australia to cover this launch so I'm pretty tired at this point gonna go edit this one uploaded then get some rest I reckon they'll probably be a few more tidbits to come out of CES throughout the rest of the week but this was the last major keynote after we had Nvidia and Intel already delivered their press conferences a few days ago so that's it for this one as always you can subscribe for more news updates throughout CES and also to catch our radio on 7 review at some point in the future as always you can consider supporting us on patreon to get access to our monthly live streams and exclusive disgorge hat I'll catch you in the next one