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welcome back to hardware box today is the first of what will be several CES related videos over the coming weeks we aren't actually at CES ourselves as you well I guess might be able to tell but throughout the week we'll be giving you guys some opinions and updates on what's been happening at the show and that starts today with AMD's first announcement second-generation rise in mobile so the first important point to note about second-generation rise in mobile is these are not 7 nanometre parts aMDA is set to talk more about 7 nanometers at their keynote for other product lines but these new mobile processors are built on 12 nanometers using the existing Zen plus architecture they also carry rise in mobile 3000 series branding as expected this may be a little confusing considering third-generation rise in desktop parts are expected to form the rest of the rise in 3000 series and should be built using 7 nanometers but it does fit in with AMD's existing product lines the rise of mobile 2000 series for example debuted ahead of second-generation Rison but still used the original Zen architecture on for 10 nanometers rise from above 3000 is a natural successor bumping their line up to 12 nanometers and then Plus around 15 months after first gen rise in mobile you think that if an B is launching 12 nanometer rise in mobile paths now that mobile ap is based on Zen too is still some time away which again fits with ambe's recent launch cycles the C mobile parts released well after their desktop counterparts in any case let's talk about the second gen rise in mobile lineup because these are Zen plus CPUs on 12 nanometers this isn't a major upgrade over the first generation for the most part we're looking at 100 megahertz increases to the base clock and between 100 and 200 megahertz increases to the boost clock for the CPU cores facilitated by the minor bump from 40 nanometers to 12 nanometers there are 415 what you serious cues in the lineup at the top end we have the risin 730 700 you as a fork or a thread part clocked up to 4 gigahertz that's really the biggest upgrade to clock speeds here previously the 2700 you topped out at 3.8 gigahertz but its successor can hit 4.0 gigahertz we're also seeing an extra hundred megahertz added to the clock speed of the Vega 10 GPU now it's 1,400 megahertz up from thirteen hundred megahertz across ten compute units while cache is listed here as six megabytes of l2 and l3 it seems the split of two megabytes l2 and four megabytes l3 remains the same as first generation then we have the risin 5 3500 you again for cause with SMT slightly lower clock speeds on the CPU compared to the 3700 you and it has Vega 8 graphics at twelve hundred megahertz also one hundred megahertz higher than its predecessor the rise in three 3300 you comes in with a lower boost clock on the CPU and the GPU is cut down to Vegas 6 with six compute units again this is all very similar to the first gen lineup but with slightly higher clock speeds Verizon 3 3200 u comes in as a two core four thread part with Vega three graphics again with clock speed improvements over the 2200 you there are some new parts in the lineup though in particular we have two 35 watt H series CPUs designed for gaming notebooks this is an area ambi says they want to get into more and are going to be pursuing more opportunities with across 2019 first generation mobile did eventually get 35 watt H series cues but they weren't really seen in any laptops it sounds like that will change with 2nd gen looking at ambe's table there is no difference to the specifications between the 35 watt and 15 watt parts except the TDP so the risin 737 58 for example has the same core configuration clock speeds and GPU as the risin 7 3700 you however with that higher 35 watt TDP the 3758 will be able to sustain much higher CPU and GPU clocks for a longer time it is a little unusual that base clocks have dropped from the mid 3.0 gigahertz range down to 2.3 gigahertz and 2.1 gigahertz but I suspect the high TDP will still allow sustain clocks above the 3.3 and 3.2 gigahertz base clocks of the previous generation for CPU workloads with second gen rising mobile Ami's H throughs processes still have the challenge of going up against Intel's 45 watt 8 Series offerings which are currently 6 called 12 thread parts with similar clock speeds the quad-core risin 737 58 will end up more closely matched to something like Intel's Core i5 83 300h which is commonly found in more budget focused gaming systems the asou system Amy showed off that uses the arisin 737 50 h and Rison 535 50 h seems to be one of these budget focus machines as it packs a Radeon rx by 60 X GPU and it's fairly typical entry level gaming dimensions I think we'll see the h2 is used in similar designs across 2019 AMD has also introduced an entry-level Athlon apu into their rise in mobile lineup for the first time it's the Athlon 300 you this is a very similar apu to the Rison 330 200 you in that it has two cores four threads and three Vega compute units but everything is clocked lower and it's still built using four ten nanometers Amy says this chip is designed for the entry level windows and Chromebook market where Rison 3 wasn't really competing as well so expect dirt cheap prices for that APU that's basically the 2nd gen rise in mobile lineup nothing spectacular it's just a small clock speed increase that will carry ambi through to seven nanometer parts in probably 12 months or so this release is very similar to Intel's whiskey Lake u series and that were only getting small increases over the last generation and indeed lots of Amy's materials with this launch were focused on comparing 2nd gen Rison to much older laptops which is a typical upgrade path for buyers they did give a few vague performance metrics for some rising mobile 3000 series parts you can see here a few comparisons between the rise and 5 3500 you and the core i5 8250 you then in the next slide we have some gaming data for the risin 7 3,700 years integrated graphics up against Intel's Core i7 85 65 u which is their latest 15 what whiskey like CPU as expected you know both slides ambhi's product looks pretty good perhaps the bigger announcement out of today is that proper rising mobile drivers will be available starting q1 2019 for both first and second generation rise in mobile ap use AMD specifically said in their presentation that when a new graphics driver comes out for discrete Radeon GPUs that driver will also support all rising mobile products past and present users will be able to download and install this generic driver on any system that uses those products this is something we yield would happen a couple of months ago now and as expected it's been announced alongside new rise in mobile products md didn't specifically say if these drivers would be available through am be calm but you think that would be the case especially as they are claiming to deliver de 0 optimizations for games and so on this is a really big deal because the key issue with rise in mobile products in the past has been driver support the drivers OMS was shipping and using what outdated and buggy often uses would hack desktop or AP drivers to work on their rise and mobile laptops and between into much better performance and stability that shouldn't be a problem going forward because AMD has listened to the community and finally gotten their act together on this and we'll be providing their own generic drivers for all rising mobile products and that's great news a few loose ends to finish this one out ambi is expecting 33% more design wins for rising mobile in 2019 so that's a modest improvement considering there are only a few laptops on the market to use ambe's mobile processes at the moment still progress is progress at least ambi actually has something competitive to attract OMS MD also announced the a 692 20 C & a 4 90 120 C as processes designed specifically for Chromebooks these processes compete with Intel's low-end atom trips like this seller on n 4200 these are based on AMD's older apu designs on 28 nanometers so nothing amazing but they do pack two cores and two threads at decent enough clock speeds in a six watt power end look these will be seen in Chromebooks from HP and Acer to begin with that's it for today's announcements of course we are expecting more stuff to be unveiled at AMD's keynote address at CES in a few days we're not expecting ambi to announce rise in 3000 series CPUs or any Navi GPUs at the show but we do expect some road map updates and teasers for both we are expecting however plenty of discussion around 7 nanometers as well as amilies data center and mobile products there's also a chance AMD will announce a consumer 7 nanometre vega 2 GPU so we'll have to wait and see what's in store as always you can subscribe to Hardware box for more updates throughout CES along with our thoughts on the biggest announcements you can support us on 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