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April 2018 Q&A [Part 2] Should You Buy a Used Mining GPU?

2018-04-15
welcome back to hardware unbox this is part 2 of our April Q&A session with Steve and I Steve will be coming straight back into this video in just a moment if you missed part 1 of this video we had that up yesterday we'll have a link on the screen for you to check that out right now enough waffling let's get on with the rest of the Q&A this one's from YouTube would you recommend buying a used GPU that has been used for mining hmm well I think if you knew would have been used for mining it's probably best to avoid that because well you know it's been flogged but if it was super cheap like just dirt cheap then it might be worth the risk I know plenty of people that have bought you know known our mining graphics cards and they're having any problems with them otherwise yeah just move on and look for another deal because there's going to be plenty of them so having said that let's be honest 90% of the used graphics cards you'll likely to buy over the next six months will probably be ex miners next question comes from discord so it's from one of our patreon members love you guys and what's the best what's your best guess at this point as to if we are getting a new gaming silicon from in video this year or just a Pascal refresh okay I promised I would try and answer this one but well I think it will be new silicon so that helps well I think it will be anyway it just probably won't be an entirely new architecture do you think that's fair to say probably I'm not to say at this point yeah I'm guessing whatever the case so it's not gonna be radically different to what we have now I think that's probably fair to say at this point so not a full-blown refresh but not something radically different either it'll be more sort of a second gen Pascal kind of like what we have with second generalising mm-hmm I'm thinking maybe that kind of advancement that said though I don't really even know when we release so I think we talked to others people I'm guessing it'll come out November why I'm guessing that I don't even remember I hadn't my head that'll be November I'm sticking with it you think it'll be early at a potentially earlier but I've also heard November from a kindness oh okay I'm not sure when but there seems to be a lot of conflicting in that date so who knows so yeah sorry guys as usual sort of answering these questions it's a whole lot of nothing but I suspect probably weren't expecting that much either because what do we know so from YouTube since Vega has proven to scale exceptionally well would it make sense for AMD to scrap the 5xx line and produce a middle to low tier Vega product we were actually discussing this just a little bit earlier it depends but really with the rx 500 line based on pirates it's been going pretty well when stock has been available it's got a decent price and competitive performance there's probably not much incentive from AMD to replace those parts when they're performing pretty fine right now unless they could release like a super efficient Vega part that was also really cheap to manufacture so another mining card so yeah then it might make sense for them to make that part but considering Polaris is going fine for now there's no pressure for them to okay it's not worth the investment yeah yeah I can't see it happening next questions from YouTube with Z 390 coming in summer do you recommend holding off on building and given what we already know what with the chips it'll look like aged 370 plus the ability to overclock it's hard to say really like it's always one of those questions do you wait do you not wait but at this point we know that second general aizen's right around the corner I know this question isn't about rise and but that can impact the pricing of things like the Zed Zed 370 platform and the process is there so you might get a bargain or you could just wait for the Zed 390 so but yeah with right second gen rising so close it might just pay to wait yep next question is from YouTube and I think this is gonna be an interesting one just quickly browsing over it after framerate goes beyond that of the display does it really reduce input lag yes the input will be perceived as something happening on-screen which is being refreshed at the max rate then doesn't reduce input lag or do then does the reduced input lag really matter well I'm just gonna sit back and get comfortable that team handle this file this is a good one yeah I do want to make a video on this at some point in the future because I think it's a really interesting topic but basically yes the high frame rate you're running the lower the input lag will appear to be and that's basically because the screen will be able to display a frame from closer and closer to when your input occurs as the frame rate gets higher and higher so even if your screen is running at just 60 Hertz having a much higher frame rate than 60 fps effectively it gives the display more frames to choose from and so for every refresh assuming you have facing off I you'll choose the most recent frame to when the inputs have occurred so basically it's like having a whole bunch of ones to choose from and instead of having just one per refresh to choose from it can choose the one very close to when the refresh is actually going to happen and basically that means that your inputs appear to be happening on the screen more you know close to when you put them in so basically you should try and run games as high as possible but obviously with vsync you get tearing as well but yes in general it should reduce the input lag that you appear to have yes so obviously it depends on the game so it's a fast-paced first person shooter then it makes a huge difference in some games you're not going to notice I know some games you won't notice you'll just notice the tearing and then really a very little benefit yeah like csgo for example apparently people who are running out like three or four hundred frames a second or 60s motors can definitely tell a is it's very noticeable very very noticeable anyone could really test this out I mean csgo is a perfect game for testing yet because most graphics cards it's actually more on the cpu for that game these days but most configurations with reasonable settings will push well over your refresh rate so you know locking at your vsync at your 60 FPS and play and it should feel pretty awful unlock it and it'll just feel so much smoother even though you know you can't ya just played those full frames and those technologies as well from I think both in video and AMD have but it's basically it's not vsync but it's like it's similar to vsync on but instead of it going through a series of buffers before it gets this way it basically takes the last fully rendered frame and shows it so you get no tearing but it's basically trying to take that frame as soon as it comes through so you kind of get that benefit of reduced input lag and also no tearing not quite as good as you know your adaptive sync but still apparently really good for those people who play the hard fast-paced shooters as you say yep well that was a good question and I'm giving a thumbs up for Tim doing an in-depth video on that topic all right someone on YouTube wants to know this about I'm assuming you in particular Steve um age height weight location hair color room temperature and this is all for research purposes they say okay age well having built Tim's new set yesterday I can tell you I'm getting too old that's what it feels like height taller than Tim look like he's got his booster seat location Tim's house that one was easy what was the next one in that room temperature oh no hair color yeah well I don't actually die am I here I know yeah probably I feel like I'm getting to old age wise but I'm not there yet might be falling out but I don't have to die yet and room temperature acceptable yeah yeah didn't bring my gun but probably around 20 ish okay all right the next questions from YouTube I've just glanced over this essay and I'm tapping yeah it's also one for Tim anyway so I'm just going to sit back and enjoy this with you guys okay so their worst 144 Hertz 4k monitors released not long ago by a soos and a so their prices clearly inflated at the moment so they're not quite released just yet but we have seen some European pricing that puts them sorted around two thousand two two and a half thousand US dollars so very expensive not a huge surprise to me there super high-end premium owner they're always going to be very expensive but they ask do I understand correctly that these models are using the same hardware so firstly yes they use the same AU Optronics panel so whether you get the Acer Asus ones there should be the same there they also ask should I hold off buying a 4k 144 Hertz monitor until the technology is matured and there are more widely available monitors among more brands and the prices have decreased how long could that take and could that drop in price correlate with the release of NVIDIA voltage generation of cards I doubt there will be any price shop for these motors anytime soon there's a couple of reasons for that firstly because there's just that one panel there's really no competition from you know like LG or Samsung or anyone who could produce a monitor that it has a spent essentially the same specs so yeah they've got a monopoly so they're gonna sell it for as high prices they can until someone comes up with something as good as well as like very premium price point so they're not expecting to sell a lot of them so it's for all you Titan V owners here for the Titan V owners then if anything they're going to keep that price steady until well after Envy is released their next-gen cards they're not gonna drop them for the cards yeah what make sense these motors are designed for those next-gen cards because you know currently with the 1080 TI you're gonna struggle with 4k 144 Hertz with a single card yeah yeah exactly unless you're playing a really low setting so yeah yeah no price drops are there anytime soon I wouldn't be waiting around for one there for the you know early adopter type buyers who have a lot of money to spend that's gonna be for your 4k 144 it's for a few years I would think yeah I think if you have to ask the question the answer is probably no in these situations yeah next question comes from Twitter what is your favorite way to have eggs well I like em soft-boiled I've got one of these little plastic thing oh so you chuck in the water while you're boiling it and it tells you when they are perfectly done Oh never fails like this perfectly soft boards awesome okay well I get I'm a bit old-fashioned with my my egg making I crack the eggs and I put them in the pan yeah and I won that pang it's what I mix them around and it makes scrambled eggs oh yeah nyancy stuff I like that that's fine I don't need the latest and greatest and cooking technology to make eggs in the morning so tech deals has asked us what is the ultimate answer to the ultimate question of the meaning of life the universe and everything you have to ask that benchmarking ok next question comes from discord if I want to play games on PC that is offline forever what games and what OS is enable that no spine just gaming well I think I'm gonna let two man's of this one because it just makes me feel old because I remember when you know cloud based gaming became a thing and I hated it like but I feel you feel like oh man what happened in the days when you could just install the game on your computer and you bought like yeah anyway I'm not gonna rant in right I'll let you take a look good luck with playing games offline these days oh yeah always you probably have to go back to like Windows 7 or even earlier than that I think really with Windows 8 onwards they start adding and all that online stuff so yeah go back to a really old OS for starters and then yeah most modern games have like at least some online something like whether it's DRM or like you have to log into the launcher which relies on line I stuck around anyway yeah so basically if you want to do it go to Windows 7 and then as you say just download cracked versions buy the games legitimately but like just download a cracked version copy over and then and you'll be going without any the online stuff you'll be able to play the games you're still aborted I think that's a no solution but yeah unfortunately these days you just it's online everything yeah sure how are legal that solution is but yeah it does come to that though it's really annoying like you play an origin or a nightmare like yeah you can't even log in to another PC what's still logged into yours yeah it's like all you've logged yeah well do another PC please close this session or whatever yeah and then you have to reenter username and password all over e and on that computer when you go back to it so that's just an at least steam doesn't do that you can have steam on two computers if you've got a work PC and a gaming PC but sometimes your game on your work PC whatever your situation is or even a home theater PC I mean it's there's a pretty high probability that people would have multiple systems they game on and if you have to do this cloud-based gaming you don't have to keep every time you jump on a computer I mean it's I know it's a login but it's still annoying or if you've got a huge database of games and you know someone wants to play on the home theater PC and you want to play on your PC and even if it's two different games you still can't use the one steam account to do that Alice steams very good compared to the other ones but I just find stuff like that annoying yeah okay okay final question for this month's QA against a disk coil question how sexy is the rise and the prism cooler is it the same as the Wraiths max but with more RGB when will Intel respond with their own RGB Box cooler well we can do one slightly better than just answering that we can show it to you again if you haven't seen it in the flesh probably reach that from so I think it's fair to say as far as box coolers go it's a it is reasonably sexy it is quite a sexy box cool decent box cooler I'm more impressed with the amount of copper and the direct touch copper heat pipes and stuff like that but yeah I mean the clear fans I think most people aren't too into the clear fan they got to know I don't personally like them that much I know if I ever feature one in a build or whatever there's a bit of a ruckus in the comments section below about the clear fan being this that and whatever else nothing positive is said about it but I think with the the RGB in the way they've designed the shroud around the fan I think it'll it'll it'll look reasonably classy for an RGB cooler as for intel's response they'll probably respond by shaving a few fins off their existing cooler they'll go with a lower profile fan that spins twice as hard makes way more noise and has a TDP rating of I don't know a hundred watts at 6000 rpm and it won't have any RGB so that's their our RGB response will be might have a single blue light in the middle yeah but yeah so but on a serious note this looks to be a seriously good cooler and in our day 1 review we will have thermal performance of this cooler on at least one of the CPUs if not both yep and compare it to a few other box coolers and aftermarket coolers so I should be pretty good good to look out for so that'll be this week coming nice so because this should be a weekend thing alright so that's gonna do it for this month's Q&A a big thank you to everyone who asked a question and I know there was quite a few questions we didn't get to this time but if you react them in the thread next month hopefully we'll get to them because we don't like to go over questions more than once if we can help it so we'll get to the other ones eventually and of course stay tuned for our second generation rising content coming up in the week and I'll hand it over to Tim for a few last words yeah big thanks to all our patrons as well who support us at patreon.com slash hardware unboxed just before we filmed this we were live through that platform so definitely subscribe there and check out either the live stream next month or you can of course just watch what we did back goes like an hour and 10 minutes a bit of fun there and yeah I guess that's it for this Q&A session we're back at this again in May and we'll catch you later
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