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welcome back to harbor unboxed tim and I just finished a live stream build so we've been madly cleaning up there was stuff everywhere hopefully you guys are a lot of you saw that if you missed it I recommend going back and watching it was a lot of fun thank you to everyone who did watch it live but anyway that is over and we've cleaned up announced time for the monthly QA but we're kind of a month late on that because Tim got sick blamed Tim yeah so technically there will be two QA this month one later in the month but so this is the April Q&A so let's just pretend it's till April yep April QA this is part one so let's jump into the questions okay since Tim's feeling a bit under the weather I thought we'd kick this off with a nice comment to lift Tim spirit and a mavis has come to the rescue with that just came here to say I love you guys oh what a nice comment thank you very much a marason we love you guys alright now that we've got that out of the way let's move on hub HQ set up tour that is the next question I assume they're asking could we do 101 one we do a lot of sort of stuff for the patreon behind-the-scenes stuff and not just because we want you guys to pay to see that but there's well it's not really main channel quality content to be honest with you yeah we just you know get in front of a camera for 15 minutes show you show you some things yeah I think both of our setup tours at this point are probably a little old for what's kind of going on at the moment at least for me I'm about to move so there's definitely going to be a few HQ typed behind the scenes stuff coming soon yeah just triggered a thought may perhaps we could look at making our old behind the scenes videos public on a hub actuation channel so all our patreon behind-the-scenes videos goes go on a hub extras channel so not this channels a separate channel that we have for those videos but maybe we could link them or something and make a couple of them public because they're just unlisted that something to do next question do you think that the RT x 2070 will be more powerful than the PS 5s GPU any thoughts on that Tim I kind of go to Tim for consoles I don't really follow the console stuff too much I probably should because if they're starting to cross over a bit more but yeah this these looks questions always interest me a lot because you sort of with the console you don't need as much GPU power to get the same you know performance because of the optimization of console so you know the P something like a ps4 Pro is probably approaching RT X 20s I mean it's not not gonna be quite they're probably more RT X 2060 level okay but certainly you know sort of pretty decent performance out of that in the Xbox one X as well so yeah I would think that if the PS files coming in that want to do a pretty powerful sort of system that sort of talking a lot about 4k you know actual good quality 4k gaming it's hard to know because we don't have any anything to go on really well that's true but I would say that it's probably going to be more powerful than an RT X 2017 it's probably my guess yeah almost based on what you've just said there almost wouldn't be worth releasing it if it wasn't so yeah because that you think that the base ps5 would be more powerful than the ps4 Pro there wouldn't be a lot of point no there wouldn't be and how long does the PS 5 have to last in the market yeah as long it's been seven years eight years yeah so I imagine we're well probably shouldn't say this for right now but imagine we're desktop GPU performance should be in seven years time yeah like it'll be unrecognizable hopefully should be yeah it'll be powerful yeah all right you want to read out the next question for us I will okay hello hard were unboxed I've been wondering if the upcoming third gen Rison were to get the rumored 15% IPC increase will it be able to outperform current gen Intel CPUs in gaming what do you think thanks to the reviews and benchmarks a tremendous help for gamers yeah okay thank you for that yeah what are your thoughts on this how far back is rising now is that 15% gonna help ah yeah I'll help tremendously I think well it also depends largely on clock speed so we didn't really mention that there did we so assuming they can get we are good decent clock speed gains up to point five around there for sort of an all core and the big one is latency latency is really what sort of slows rising down in in sort of high frame rate gaming so if they can get a bit of a clock speed bump improve memory latency then a 15% IPC increase I would say we're looking at beating the current Intel CPUs pretty comfortably or pretty instantly at least so I think if the seconds and rise and CPUs that we have now without changing frequency or latency and just giving a 15 percent IPC but we should IPC is a funny thing because latency you know that does tie into it I suppose it depends on the application yeah it's all part of you know your IPC performance but yeah I think it's safe to say if they can pull a 15 percent gain off regardless then yeah they're gonna be at least on par but you should end up with more cores and things like that so yeah I think then - should should be pretty good you reckon that's fair I think that's fair okay Steve any idea on the 1900 KF 9700 KF 9600 KF being able to pre-order for months are they shipping it well if you're asking me if I have any idea I have no idea I don't have any idea if they're sure I think they Intel officially announced them or launched them just in the last couple of weeks they they there's been those rumors about those CPS for a long time they're winning here's our full ninth generation list and those were on there so the F range apart from the ninety four hundred F and then many others out in the wild because there was none no other models that I came across when I was looking yeah I think these are the new ones okay the AF type ones and all that so yeah not sure what's going on there but haven't really looked into it so yeah I guess we can't really give you a great answer on that question so sorry about that okay comment from Soviet bird this was I think fairly upvoted why don't we see more true HDR monitors aside from the two 4k 144 it's monitors from a sous an Acer I'm not aware of any other panels that me to the full checklist for HDR I think it's a cool feature but if manufacturers keep trading HDL I could joke it may never be mainstream so I I'm gonna hand that entirely over to Tim I totally get where you're coming from because it's very frustrating to sort of see where HDL is going in - I think it sort of comes in to two points I guess the first one is obviously a price because to add in the main feature that you might have heard me complain about a lot is with LCDs you need a full array local dimming backlight which means there's LEDs all around behind the display so that you can properly achieve the contrast that hgr is really meant for and that's not a cheap thing to add in most monitors that have been built for years don't have that included so - then suddenly have to manufacture them at a monitor size and add that onto the price of the monitor that you you know and some of these monitors for gaming are already over $1000 without including that yeah you start adding that in it makes it even more expensive and I'm guessing for some companies they think that's probably putting it out of the price range that you know a gamer would be willing to pay I think the second reason comes down to just the validation metrics that exist they kind of allow these not true HCl monitors to exist it's not just me that's been complaining about you know visas display HDR 400 certification I saw this big thing on TFT central as well which is another you know really reputable monitor testing website where they went into about how you know basically it's just all load of crap like you're never going to get a good HDR experience from a moaner that's certified with that but a company you know is incentivized to have those logos on the box because alone having a logo that a certification on the Box sort of says well you know we've made our monitor to this standard so it must be good enough so I think you know that is kind of not helping the situation either but I think you know as you know as I start to educate people as you guys you know watch this content and figure out what is real what's not that'll hopefully get a bit better once the sort of reviews come out because this exact same thing happened with TVs very early on in TV HDR was all rubbish lots of TVs said there were HDR capable when there weren't and now you can buy really you know good quality HD our TVs for good prices so I think probably few years away it's hopefully we'll get there mm-hmm random thought is the slow adoption of quality HD our panels sort of down to the lack of content so there's not a huge amount so we've only got the to the ASA and their sous monitors is it is the lack of like really good game support stopping people from getting really excited about is it sort of a chicken and egg situation so maybe these cheap crappy HDR monitors are almost beneficial in pushing the tech out even though they're not really mine yet I don't know that's just a random thought I think I think more so than MIT games I think you know have windows that's had a lot of compatibility issues the HJ font I think that has sort of slowed down too because people used to plug in an HDMI monitor turn on the switch in Windows and it looks like garbage which kind of you know slows people down it doesn't really make you want to use that mode so I think yeah that's definitely true but I would say at the moment most games these days is shipping with HDR support so I think games these days are probably a little bit ahead of where the monitors are yeah which I think you know that consoles are driving that so well you need that first before you can write so it's great it's getting better but something to look out for okay another question here if Intel gets to ten nanometer it will easily beats or bait AMD 7 nanometre even 5 millimeter what about or what are your thoughts I suppose that's what this person's asking so is he insinuating the differing tale gets a 10 a 10 nanometer they've automatically one I thought was I think it sounds like that is so saying as a statement okay yeah I would have no I wouldn't think that at all really but I mean we have to see what's into is capable of but Intel getting to 10 and a 10 nanometer will really be the first step for them and I don't know if it's an easy victory for them just getting there I think they're gonna have a serious fight on their hands which is great for us yeah yeah and it sounds from a lot of the technical details that we've sort of been able to get so far it sounds like what Intel was trying to do with 10 animators is very close to what tsmc was trying to do it seven animators so if those two things are sort of equal you want to say it will just necessarily straight-up beat it it would be yeah and it's a yes so it's quite a way away 10 nanometer for Intel yeah at least for a desktop desktop mainstream part so yeah AMD will be assuming this is n2 phase goes very well for them they'll be moving on by them yeah so B could be it's very interesting yeah certainly interesting all right next question I think this one was heavily outvoted and it probably makes sense because it should interest a few of you guys what are the best under $50 gaming oriented CPUs in the used market right now so yeah what what a good secondhand sieve used to buy for less than $50 essentially that's a tough one actually I just did a quick bit of research it seems you're unlikely to get even a Sandy Bridge like core i7 2670 wouldn't worry old yeah it's very old well they're definitely all selling for $50 u.s. on eBay for completed listings even something like the core i5 3570 case that's an Ivy Bridge just a quad core you know hyper threading or anything like that they're selling for around 50 to $60 most of them were $60 plus so even getting one of them for $50 is hard let alone less than $50 so yeah in my opinion the used markets kind of desperate right now it's not really great for the most part because people can ask those prices for those CPUs because people who have an older Sandy Bridge Ivybridge house well system for them to buy an $80 core i7 or whatever that's cheaper than building a whole new system for three four five hundred dollars u.s. so that's why they've sort of held their value quite well but for people who are looking at just building a new system or buying a new system unless you can you know find one of those full complete systems for $100 or less it's not really worth it I did see some rise in 3 1200 s again they're just quad cos they've definitely know better than the has well parts but they are selling for around $50 and wild gravitate towards them is for the upgrade path so if you can snag one of them 50 bucks maybe it yourself a secondhand B 350 maybe even a bought B 450 not that it really matters which one you get but if you've got a cheap be 350 bought for around $50 as well then you can upgrade to as in to maybe a 6 core 12 thread processor whatever whatever comes out and next few months but yeah and then you've got the Xeon CPUs which yeah I mean for the most part like at x58 Xeon or older they're a bit of a bad joke in 2019 in my opinion you've got security flaws high power consumption old platforms with shaky things like USB three support the list as long as your arm of drawbacks with them but if you can get a whole complete system for $50 or less which is yeah unlikely but it does happen I think I paid about a hundred and fifty for my one which isn't great but that's Australian so it's not us so yeah that's the best I what I just paid that because I wanted to do the video so I looked around for a month and that was the best deal I came across an eBay so anyway there aren't too many great cpu purchases there for under $50 because quad cores now you know they make do if you playing fortnight or something but they struggle in more modern tiles I think again call a bit wet he bought I think it was a thirty five seventy something like that it was a I think was an Ivy Bridge quad-core and it was struggling in Tomb Raider and stuff like that so and then the dual cores you completely forget about their um yeah I mean if you're really desperate sure but yeah I'd be looking at trying to get on the am for platform personally anything adds that team that's good summary good job cool moving on Tim will enjoy this question why do so many tech channels like to clickbait false info for these so called leaks that they get from sources and we're not talking about guys that actually do a really good critical analysis or anything like that like I know Jim from adored TV comes to my not talking about those kind of guys at all yeah it's the channels that someone will say something on a forum and then all of a sudden we've got Navi incoming headline I think that's what this comment I agree and YouTube is just littered with those but they get views they get really good views way better views than what we get and it's really easy to make content and there's not really much pushback not a whole lot of backlash like if you continually any views pretty good like to dislike ratios then yeah it's hard to knock them if all they want to do is build a tech channel certainly not what we're interested in doing in but I think the answer to that question is views you know if a we did a video with Navi in the title it's guaranteed good views so that's why they do it okay next question I'll read this out to give Timmy's voice as much of a break as we can hey Steve I'm not really into computers but my niece dropped an old PC at my house the other week it's pretty old I think it's got eight Giga RAM Intel Haswell Pentiums that's a dual-core five hundred power supply GT 740 video card a soos H what is it 81 and motherboard just wondering what I could do to play the latest games at quality frame rates it's pretty old that's a tough one that is a tough one well your CPUs pretty well useless we talked about this in an earlier comment the dual cores are pretty well dead for any sort of basic games I mean you can play all the games that are still fun but if you want to get into newer games at quality frame rates which I imagine is 60 FPS Plus then yeah not a lot you can do with that one unfortunately again Lee has well you'd be limited to locked but you could buy a K processor but you couldn't have a clock on that board which would be fine anyway but you're looking at probably $80 for a good sort of core i7 processor don't know if it's worth it eight gig of ram you really need 16 for good smooth frame rates that's the least your worries here though and then the GT 740 you like you know you can get a Radeon rx 570 or something maybe even one of them secondhand 480 dollars but you're looking at spending 160 roles in that system whereas you could probably build what a new system for just the box around 300 u.s. 400 at most so you're kind of getting halfway to a new system anyway and it's not going to be nearly as good yeah and this person kind of in a situation where there's too many key components that are outdated so you're sort of looking more your full upgrade than just being able to piece together something yeah few years ago before rise and sort of came along in games started to scale quite well across many threads then I would have said I just sticker has well Core i5 in it and maybe get a secondhand graphics 50 dollars and you can probably hundred dollars you'd get out of trouble but yeah it'd almost be wasting money at this point because it would it it improves the gaming experience but yeah depends what you wanna play if it's just for tonight then yeah you could probably put a graphics card in there and you'd be away at reasonable quality settings but yeah otherwise I'd probably just save up and build a new system and hopefully later in the about a year something a lot better for around three four hundred dollars u.s. alright we'll move on to the next one how did you guys start your channel was Nvidia and other companies supporting you from the beginning how did you feel when you got your first 50k subscribers okay well we start with the first one how did you guys start the channel so Tim didn't start the channel but we consulted him quite heavily when starting the channel actually because Tim was already making YouTube videos for techspot yeah a little bit of that so Tim already had a bit of an understanding about how to set the camera up the video audio all that kind of stuff so yeah I spent quite a bit sort of getting in Tim's ear picking his brain about how to do YouTube but the reason the well how the channel started was a good friend of mine Matt he had a bit of free time I had a lot of PC hardware he was sort of he was wanting to get in YouTube try a video and it really interests him he liked watching a lot of YouTube I didn't actually watch much YouTube at all back then which is hard to believe now all I do is watch YouTube that's so big now yeah I never really watched TV or movies or anything anymore it's all YouTube but yeah he really he wanted me to do it he's like oh you should start a YouTube channel instead of just writing stead of just doing tech articles you know you should do a channel owner was not interested all couldn't at the time I thought I couldn't imagine anything worse like I just don't want to do it and then he said well what if I get in front of the camera and that way you helped me and we were gonna do unboxing videos they were super boring so we did like one of those then we thought we'll do my textbook articles in video format and that's how the channel sort of progressed then we got to about 40,000 subscribers and Matt realized it wasn't really for him what this stuff it always seems like it's a lot of fun it's just you know guys like I you know look at your set I wish I could have a lot hardware it's just you've got the dream job and for me it is but you've got to be prepared to put in an insane amount of hours to make the content and obviously Tim's willing to do that and yes around 40k subscribers Matt left and then it was do we let the channel die or what and then I thought well I'll just I didn't really want to jump in front of the camera yeah I couldn't really imagine myself doing it but I really enjoyed making the videos I really loved what the channel had become so I didn't want to see it die so I jumped in front of the camera and it went pretty well you guys were pretty easy on me and yeah it's been a lot of fun since and then Tim finished his engineering degree he was looking at going and doing yeah engineering work but he loves doing this as well so he he wanted to sort of partner with me and continue the channel so I don't know how many subscribers we had when you joined it was below a hundred I thought yeah so yeah we've done pretty well since then so that's sort of how the channel started Nvidia and other companies supporting us from the beginning know well it's because I was already getting all the information and hardware and stuff for text spot we were just reusing that a lot for harbor unboxed but before long all these companies were approaching us sort of wanting to be more involved with the channel directly and I just went from there really starting your own tech channel you don't need contacts you don't need companies you don't need anything you just need Drive you just need to better work hard for the first two years I made no money on this channel it cost me money it was a really hard because I just had my first kids so me and my wife was struggling a fair bit but I really wanted to make this work because I enjoyed it and I saw a future in it but you've just got to be willing to stick it out like two years you got to throw out it with making no money and you've got to work on it every second you get so it's pretty tough but if you enjoy it then yeah you just got to go for it so you don't need companies or whatever review the parts in your system review your mates hardware do tech articles do whatever you mean you don't need a lot of the stuff to do interesting content so you just got to be passionate about it and get into it I'll try and wrap this question up quickly and I've been going on for a bit and then how you feel when your first 50k subscribers I mean 50k was just another number for me 5k was just mind-blowing 10k was mind-blowing 15 20 everywhere you know working towards 400,000 this year which is just I see the number and I'm like I don't know what to make of it it's really weird yeah I think you'll need I've found that I don't really appreciate the number until I sort of talk to other people about like I hear you know I work on a YouTube channel it's got you know three hundred and fifty thousand subscribers are there about and they're like three hundred and fifty thousand that's a massive number and it's so like oh yeah yeah it's it's weird because you see other guys like Linus even J bit with Paul those guys have been doing it for longer and they're doing a great job they have tons and tons of subscribers we're just a little fish in a big pond but yeah you can't go comparing yourself to other people just do your own thing and yeah we're growing we're enjoying it so doesn't really matter where we'd be at it's just as long as it's growing and going in the right direction you having fun doing it yeah it's for me the the 50k thing was mind-blowing but every single time we get to sort of one of those things that can be considered milestones it's just amazing yep so all right now the graphics card related question this looks like I have a gtx 1050 should upgrade to the 1650 or rx 570 in my rage and it's like $30 cheaper I have a 550 watt power supply it's bronze rated so I my interpretation of that question is he saying rx 570s $30 cheaper yeah probably which would be right because there are about 120 150 I assume probably us-based not sure any way out of that comparison yet just look at my day on a review oh no it was my day 1.5 for review we get the RX 570 is the obvious choice there because I believe for you it's 30 dollars cheaper which should be correct and it's faster and you've got a farmer 50 watt power supply do you care about power consumption that much you know even if you're playing paying a lot of for power like we are if you're playing for I and I think it's 70 hours a week or something it's $10 a that's retinol and that's Australian ten dollars Australian slots that like six or something six dollars people I think with our the power sort of how much usage it is what does it cost its it come it's almost negligible I mean like it is ten dollars over an entire year when you're talking about GPUs that a difference the difference in price is a lot larger than that and you have to game a lot too - yeah numbers look if they were identical in terms of performance I would always say just get the 1650 but you're looking at 20-30 percent performance gains in some games that doesn't go unnoticed that's significant yeah that's like a whole tier about when you're getting performance gains that big so I would go the RX 570 every time it just seems like an obvious choice to me yeah not much want to sound that one oh boy you're right yeah well let you die because this comments a beauty d12 studio and I normally really wouldn't address this kind of question but it was heavily uploaded so we'll just include I think I know what Tim and I Barry's going to say but here we go will Navi be another AMD train wreck or a genuine threat to in videos throne well first of all I mean AMD train wrecks a bit harsh I know I've been harsh myself on Vader in the Radeon seven but they're not that bad like there's only one alternative and it's not like it's yeah anyway I won't get into that I don't we don't know what now he's going to be like I mean we're just guessing until I get it bench market and at least a dozen games then we don't know until we know the price performance it's anyone's guess ok so I think we'll wrap up part 1 of this month April April's Q&A and yet we'll have part two on the channel probably tomorrow but yeah there's a lot of questions to get through so rather make it one big long one you guys you guys know what we do so we split it into about 20 25 minute episodes hey thank you everyone who asked questions hopefully we answered your question this one if not you may get a second chance tomorrow and I think we've got a separate patreon straight question answering session as well anyway I'm your host Steve I'm your host Tim you're just the other guy yeah you know knows who I am that's fine with me subscribe like do all that stuff and we'll 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