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welcome back to hardware unbox this is part 2 of the April but actually kind of a little bit in May QA so as always if you miss part one go back and check out that video that was published probably yesterday if the schedule is all nice and running we have more questions to get to so yeah let's get into them ok next one from Michael appears most reviewers feel the NVIDIA GTX 2060 is a better buy than the NVIDIA GTX 2070 currently playing at 1080p or currently playing on a 1080p monitor but would it be worth the extra cost to purchase a 2070 to future-proof my system or is it a waste of money thank you you got any thoughts on that one well those two GPUs are pretty close together in terms of their performance aren't they so allative it's the 2 gigabyte extra of a ram buffer that he's talking about for future proofing alright yeah I don't think that was explicitly mentioned it wasn't but that's a little bit well that's my assumption so yeah word that'll have to be it right um I mean the cost is the 26 is just a lot better value right now I think if you're thinking about the future when that sort of difference would make you know a big deal you're probably looking at so far in the future that you probably will need to be thinking of an upgrade anyway so I always like to think in the present with these things and think you know definitely even if there is an opportunity to future proofing it's always good to get hardware this oh it's gonna last you a little bit I always like to just make sure that what I'm buying is the best option now because I think over the years those options still tend to be the best for the future even if you if you spend a lot more to get a little bit extra it doesn't tend to you know give you a lot more down the line so and you have to evaluate at the time so use you're talking about 150 us which is a significant cost increase for 2gig extra vrm and a small bump in performance I mean it can vary a bit depending on the game but it's generally pretty small overall and for me it's not worth $150 and I'm not too concerned about the vram because for the next few years it's not going to be a big deal you know 6 gigabytes will get your bar and if you can't install the HD texture pack or whatever all you have to tweak a few settings so be it it's up to you whether you want to you know if you want to spend $150 to ensure that you can use HD textures and you don't have to tweak settings then that's really what it comes down to yeah but I I don't think it's worth future proofing for that especially at 1080p I would just be getting the the r-tx 2060 personally and that's that's pretty much that for me yep Rupert do you do this for a living I really hope so greens from Germany I miss the AHS sometimes well greetings from Australia to Germany but yeah okay so yes we do do this full-time we both still work for tech spot but yeah that's well Tim was a uni student and doing tech spot I was doing text but pretty well full-time had a few things on the side that I was doing as well but now the channel is our main focus but we still be a correct content for tech spot as well because we we love the guys over at Tech spot and they've supported us for a long time so we'll continue to to support the site and yeah we enjoy working with them but yeah this is our full-time job now so we're doing our best to make it work okay I see there's a big long question about HDR here so I'll do my best to try to read this out and maybe yeah and try answer it as summarizer okay that's a bit of a novel question for Tim so I think the start player he is basically saying yeah this person has seen my checklist for what's required for good HDR and has done a lot of research and figured out that a lot of things that advertises HDR actually don't meet HDR 400 specs you know they felt felt a whole bunch of stuff my question to you is if I can get a monitor that has HDR 400 specs can I at least experience the poor man's version of HDR because I've met I'm poor and I can't afford a proper hgr motor but I would like to at least see the poor man's version of it I get there will not be you not see a chance to agree but at least some of it is that possible with HDR yeah you go big or you go home and it says mention purchasing the 27 UK 650 from LG okay so just to interrupt for a second that's a great question because I obviously watch all of teams monitoring reviews and I've kind of wondered that myself yeah so about the poor Meza yeah I've kind of wondered that so I'm sure so what'd you say okay how can I make this a short answer that's my main thing okay so the the thing with hgf 100 and not meeting the requirements is that it gets to a point where you can almost get the experience that toning the HTR ons which would give you from just a nonage gel monitor and tweaking some of the settings and the thing that I found and what I've tried to test myself is an h gr 400 monitor versus an s GL monitor at its peak brightness because often you press the HDR switch and on an HJ for jhamora that can only just increase its brightness it doesn't have wide color gamut it doesn't have dimming so what can it do it can make things brighter and I've found that when you use those two monitors side-by-side they look pretty much the same and that's what frustrates me the most about these specs is that people might think they're getting hgr because it does look different from what you would normally use your monitoring you don't normally run it at full brightness so it does look different you turn on oh wow that looks a bit different but is it any different from a non HDR motor and that tends to be no you guys just wish that all the way up to all the way up to the peak brightness where I sort of think you will find sort of your poor man's HDR is with the HDR 610 motors which I've sort of been calling semi HDR some dude screams past in his truck yeah the the semi HDR stuff is really where you start to see a little bit of a difference but it won't be super good okay so I think with HDR 400 you pretty much just have to completely ignore those noises that they will look very similar to non HDR the non HDR mode so that's why you're so frustrated with it yeah because I think it's not HDR and as you say you can find all these these monitors that don't made all those specs and you know I don't think that I'm a you know a god of HDR or I haven't you know just made up these effects from know where it's from speaking to people in the industry and especially how content is masked you know what a movie studio is doing when they make HDR and then what you need to show that and all those things on that list you need so that you can actually see what the content raters are doing yeah so yeah from from my perspective it really is you have to go big or go home okay that makes sense I mean you did a really good video on what you need HDR yeah at all I think it's like it's a high-end feature it's what you add on top of what you've already got with the monitor it's it's it's not really like you can have a mid-range product with mid-range HDR it's kind of you have to get the the basics right have a good quality monitor then you add AC on top it's kind of like ray tracing on top of ultra graphics yeah we've never we were sort of discussing this in the past would you run rate racing with your with medium quality doesn't it doesn't make a lot of sense and I think that's similar to what we're seeing in HD I know you really have to go all out and like I said I think all this stuff will sort itself out over time yep we'll get we'll get proper HDR eventually and there are some things that can be done so that you sort of get that semi HDR experience for lower to your products and trill the mid-range you know the ages are 600 tier products of that but yeah I just hope that over time this will get better and especially when the tech gets cheaper it should be better for everyone I've always heard a iOS have a lifespan of five to six years in your experience is that fairly accurate how would I get D monetized because they think we're using the sounds of nature and maybe yeah this is a this is an interesting one because I've used all the oil liquid coolers from quite a few different companies now and I would say that a five to six year lifespan good like I've probably got a couple that have lasted that long I've got quite a lot of test systems using them and I do use them on a regular basis but they're not running 24/7 but even the ones that I've had some that are run 24/7 like my Animax gamers Nexus just looked at the tr4 version yeah the lik tech mine died I think it may have jumped up I think the pumps still okay I was going to take that apart I might do a video on that soon if I get time see what the deal with that is because mine will be in worse condition than the ones from gamers Nexus I think I've got the gunking problem like I said but I would say on average gee maybe two to three yeah I think that's what we're I've had a lot of yeah 2 to 3 is good 2 to 3 would be my experience and that's with like taking a lot like a lot of brands into consideration you're getting five to six that's definitely a quality model I've no doubt there's ones that will do that but yeah a lot of mine from heavy use have died sort of yeah three years four would probably be the upper end that I've hadn't and only one liquid cooler survived so yeah five or six would be good I would say that's probably not the norm but if you guys have some experience in the comments let us know maybe we should do a poll on this and see could be interested in I they're definitely all of our liquid calls are an interesting base because I much prefer them over a B air cooler big air cooler is more practical in the sense that the only thing you know it has a fan on it and that's it and the fans easy to replace generally but I like the practicality of the all-in-one liquid cooler because it's compact and it lets you work around the CPU socket like changing memory and stuffs really easy and that's why I imagine a lot of youtubers such as us and other tech reviewers do prefer the only my liquid coolers because it's just really easy for swapping memory in and out and messing around the system that stuff we were doing a regular basis and I also like the look of them and I think that's why most of you guys get them as well and they are really good at cooling so they sort of rival the top tier air coolers but they cost more so they're not great in terms of price versus performance anyway I'm probably getting a bit sidetracked on that one so yeah we'll move on to the next question cuz I think I addressed that okay when benchmarking do you constantly retest cards for every video or do you go use results gathered from previous videos to save time when no driver updates have occurred between videos of course well this one yeah we do a bit of both so occasionally I will just do a head-to-head or some big benchmark video I'll delete all my results completely ignore them and retest everything and work out where things are at with the latest game versions latest drivers and all that sort of stuff because and you have to do that fairly regularly because games do get updated drivers do get updated and often at one of them or maybe both of them do bring about performance changes sometimes we change off quite often I change where I test as well over time we find somewhere better or somewhere more consistent or whatever but basically I say in my videos I'm like all this data is fresh and I've done that many times all this data is fresh so everything's been tested in the last few days or the last week or whenever however long it took to make the video and then sometimes I'll work off that data for a month or so and some games will get updated so if there's a driver update that targets a game I'll retest that I do do a lot of retesting but I won't necessarily change the results for this margin of error and when people see numbers changing around by 1 or 2 FPS they get a bit triggered I think things are laying da Julie changed but normally I know where those changes are and when they've occurred but yeah bit of both really but we try to keep everything up to date as often as possible but obviously when you're testing 30 games at multiple resolutions and many graphics cards it's difficult to keep on top of it all the time but we do our best ok next question can we have a Steve off between hub Steve & GN Steve Mike you've Mojave will run for the most ambitious crossover they can even fight off the mighty Tim just what's the Tim OS to Morsi Mike sandals Tim us right of course yes silly may the monitor King well you're kind of unchallenged on on YouTube for being the mountain Kings a few people but does anyone do proper yeah input any items of ratings wherever they say oh cool yeah I don't know what a Steve off is but it'd be fantastic to do some crossover content with those guys but the chances of it happening extremely remote because we really only sort of run into each other at trade shows like Computex and they're going a million miles per hour trying to get a obligations done we're doing the same so it's kind of like a hey hey you go and shake each other's hand and move on but yeah B it'd be pretty awesome to do something with one of those guys one day you can only dream maybe it'll happen we might go spend some time in the US and no sir but yeah now really like really like the guys from gamers Nexus and you know chat to Steve every now and then when we get stuck with things or they do and we try to help each other out okay why is the risin 7 CPU on it for the r-tx 20 atti when CPU usage never gets to 100 percent on all threads in almost any game even if the game spreads the load evenly like Forza horizon 400 K this is sort of like a question we touched on earlier don't actually remember the question and I don't know what part are in there but anyway reason is sort of clock speed but I know that comes on a utilization it's mostly latency I would say and then just how well the games optimized for the rise in architecture and also CP utilization can be really really misleading sometimes yeah sometimes higher utilization is good sometimes it's not and yeah I think when when the game is using all caused threads really well it's spreading the load evenly but the Intel CPUs still faster that would probably be more latency and then just instructions maybe the games using a V X or things of that nature so I think that's probably the reason why and rosin really hasn't been around that long yet so there's really no game engines that have been designed from the ground up with rising in mind and that's certainly the case for Intel so yeah nothing add to that yep sounds good okay I think we have to address this question purely based on the user name yeah I've crushed on Tim some of the kids say these days anyway this is someone who's clearly a Tim fan can you clear the AMD motherboard support promise clear that up I'm assuming if I buy an X for 17 now is it going to support rising 4,000 or 5,000 or AMD will change your socket after the 3000 series so this is really can you clear up the whole AMD I am for compatibility thing I know that comet was into MSI that was some story that we didn't pay too much attention to because it seemed like a load of rubbish to me was that that you covered do you touch that news corner I was an MSI representative said yeah but they did they then corrected themselves and basically said that that was continuing to support that was clearly never a real situation but a lot of guys picked up and ran with but AMD has themselves promised till 2020 a.m. for compatibility with all new CPU architectures so then - we'll work on your x4 70 board whether it's MSI or any other brand there will be a BIOS update and it will work as for the 4000 5000 series hard to say there I imagine we will have a m4 compatibility with all future architectures that use ddr4 memory and we will probably only change the socket to something else am 5 or whatever when we get ddr5 so yeah that'll make sense I think it would yep so that'll break compatibility ok next one rusted hammer do you think a 16 core am for CPU on a dual-channel motherboard will have the same memory problems that the 2990 WX has on a quad channel motherboard so when we first reviewed the 2990 WX and performance was terrible and anything that wasn't a rendering benchmark we put that down to memory issues because it's an epic CPU essentially that has eight channels but it's only got four on the X 399 chipset but I think as we did some Linux based testing and found out that in Linux with better OS support better support for more than what like 16 cause then the 2990 WX performed really well so it seems like most of the 2990 w x's problems are down to the window scheduler so if they solve that then you know the 2090 w HD how a much better cpu for those using Windows and I don't think it's some workloads sure there's a bit of a memory bottleneck but I don't think it's nearly as bad as what we thought originally so I don't think the 16 core CPU will have any memory problems to answer your question yep hopefully memory latency and memory support as in higher frequencies will also you know come to light was then too so that'll also improve memory bandwidth anyway so yeah okay I've got a question here from ray AI hey Steve love your work as a fellow Aussie have you ever considered adding Kaveri for aziz in your reviews just an example when the nine 900k realistic came around 849 AUD from PCBs very late because we tried to buy a liner it's like 880 now I'm sorry while a smart buyer could pick up a 2700 X from computer Eliezer msy for about 380 Australian dollars which ended up doing because I don't pay almost triple for the same performance another example in Australia is the 1650 competing with the RX 580 rather than the 570 at that sort of 260 to 300 Allah price I think it would help inform the locals even if your view of base is more us-based yeah well the viewer base is certainly more us-based by a factor of 6 or 7 times so I'm not yeah the CPU pricing surprises me is that 20s was the 27 rx of that cheap and Australia because it was four hundred and something dollars when we checked for our livestream yeah 380 so I mean yeah I a 380 I'm looking at he's got the US and AUD around the wrong way and I'll do yeah okay that's fine okay so I'll move on with answering it basically the margins whenever I've looked at them seem pretty similar between US and Australian pricing which is why I usually focus on US pricing because generally if I say a products good value based on the US pricing that brings true for here and certainly wouldn't have changed my conclusion for the 99 or yeah that those margins were pretty much the same in the US and it's the same what we just saw a livestream build we were tossing up between the nine star okay and the 27 rx and basically we get to 2700 X processors for the same price as 199 Andrew K which is why we opted for the Verizon processor I mean look it would be great if we could you know touch on Australian pricing in every video the reason why we haven't made a habit of doing it is because often for products that we do day one reviews for and that's really usually when I review a product it's a day one review I don't really review anything else like my CPU and GPU is a usually day one and at the time I don't get Australian pricing I don't know what Australian pricing is and even when we do get like a guide from the companies it's always miles off what they that the there see the way above or way below it just never seems to be accurate whereas the u.s. MSRP is and it gives us a good idea of what to expect in Australia so but that's pretty much it yeah the fact that we don't get Australian pricing a lot of the time and it's like four to five percent of our audience the people that watch the videos will be Australian so yeah I mean we're Aussies we're based in Australia but it's not an Australian tech channel and I don't get the whole big drama with prices because I said the margins are similar and you guys just have to jump over to any of the online retailers it's like not like you have to do some crazy amount of work to find out the price like a six second Google search or look at PC case gear anywhere will tell you the price here and yeah it generally won't change our conclusion so yeah for all those reasons we try again we do provide prices for our Aussie prices when we can so when Tim doesn't monitor review if it's sold in Australia and there's a price here you'll give it yep otherwise if it's a day one reviewing we don't have Aussie pricing would you know so that's that okay question you from silent gamer how many gigabytes does the 36 game or 36 games I suppose take on your hard drive well we use SSDs because it's 2019 they're using hard drives for secondary old again it's probably no big deal anyway I didn't know so I went to work it out and I still don't know because I have way more than 36 games in current circulation I use 36 game benchmarks quite often but that's for maybe testing GPU CPUs I maybe have some different games anyway ah with all the games installed at the moment the tally is just shy of three terabytes it was 2.9 terabytes and that covers games from you know the epic game store a battlenet steam you play origin and one game from the dreaded Windows Store and that's Forza horizon for so and you've got about two terabytes don't you have games yeah yep yep my entire collection everything I own I can install over thank ya there's way too many games but yeah in current circulation 3 terabytes and thank the Lord that trailer has finally got well I've got mbn anyway and not ADSL so when I fire my test system up have to download 60 gig worth of updates I'm not out for the entire week so that's kind of nice so that that's good anyway okay we've come a long way too but we are at the last question for the YouTube questions and then we've got a whole lot of pull out a patreon questions to get through now Ursula our work is not done but the last question is do you guys still have a range of X 370 and be 350 motherboards and if so do you plan on testing compatibility and very informative coming rise in 3000 CPUs okay so first part of that question yeah we do have a lot of X 370 and be 350 motherboards I've pretty much kept every single one I've ever been given and we've only have one died haven't we yeah that's my the board still works we've lost a dim slot oh yeah a few dims don't work few dims don't work but basically I'm not expecting anything radical here like it's not like a 19 on a rack a situation on like your B 360 boards where it's gonna absolutely fry the board without some serious limitations I would say and I'm not hail AMD as we've been accused of in the past but I would say AMD is more accurate with their TDP ratings than Intel especially these days you okay so yep your Tim's pretty clued in on the TDP thing because I leave all these laptop testing but I would say as long as the TDP doesn't exceed 105 watts for any given part then it should work perfectly fine on all be 350 be 450 X 370 X 470 motherboards because well basically if the board supports the Rison 720 700 X then any Zen 2cp with 105 watt TDP or lower should work we found a problem yeah I think you know people see that suppose it 16 cores is sort of oh my god that they're putting 16 causing this thing that's gonna send your power consumption through the roof but seven enemies is providing such a significant you know efficiency improvement as well that even if they do bring out a 16 core CPU we don't know where they will but if they do then it should be able to fit into sort of the standard tvp's that we've already seen yeah at least with sort of reasonable clock speeds yeah I mean your eight core CPU is definitely going to come in to there so any any of these boards should support the new higher clocked higher IP you see eight core is in two part you know that's probably what people with be 350 boards are concerned about but that's it and that's it for part two of the April / early May Q&A what is there to say at this point my voice is probably gone a little bit Kasturi I'm still a tiny little bit see quite a troop of this guy does a two-hour live stream bill a couple of hours on QA and money go to the patreon livestream yeah that's the hardware box liar so we're always working yeah just don't subscribe as always if you like our videos give this video a like there's probably going to be a part three I think so yeah i think a patreon yeah so definitely check back we're 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