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welcome back to harbor box for a bonus round how about that so we promised our patreon members we would answer their questions but we couldn't fit it all in with all the other questions that we had in part one - so bonus round is part three these are all the questions that were asked on our discord server so yeah they deserve their own episodes that's what you're getting let's get into it first of our patreon questions here from none other than Sal Kagan thought about long-term members will be at home Z what are your guys thoughts on the tech press in general having a bias towards gaming performance being the ultimate decider about what makes the best CPU and using that for their general recommendation as opposed to any other kind of workload yeah I mean I think any sort of you know press site has sort of their different things that they're looking out for I think a lot of people you know they're writing for a gaming audience people are interested in in gaming and something that's sort of our primary audience and what we're personally interested in but you find other sites and youtubers out there that are more addressing like workstation or or server performance for various different parts yeah like your level one text or apple window over there yep so you know it's a perfectly valid workload gaming I think it's always good to have a look at you know all sorts of different things so you know balance that out with your sort of view your creative workloads the other productivity stuff so yeah what are your thoughts as well in this no I mean there's no tech media handbook like we're not all playing by the same rules it's and I mean Tim and I do this job because we enjoy it and we do the content we enjoy doing like I do CPU and GPU benchmarks because that's what interests me and I enjoy doing and Tim does ease in depth monitor stuff because he enjoys that like before Tim there was no monitor stuff because I don't really enjoy the monitor testing but Tina loves it and he puts together some awesome content pieces around it which I actually enjoy watching but I wouldn't enjoy making them so we do what we enjoy and we both enjoy gaming even though we don't really get to do much of it but we both enjoy it when we get to and yeah we both like to know how to optimize our pcs for a good gaming variance and that's why we make the content we do and obviously then our audience want to know about gaming performance so if I started doing Linux benchmark or something you guys would all be scratching I did all the next video once it got okay views better than it probably should have but it was more because it got spread around a bit yeah I think a lot of use for pcs these days is you don't really need to benchmark for it like a lot of people buy pieces your own web app and I sort of think you know what how many people out there using Premiere on their PC or a creative app like that versus how many people are gaming and I tend to think it wouldn't you say there's more PC gamers than people who using it like premier uh on planet earth maybe not but yeah mat well for me is yeah that's right how many video editors are out there is having a timers yeah yeah yeah yeah I know you're saying like a specific app and that's the other problem because I felt ok so first of all just to circle back before you too far into it we do test applications in all our day one reviews so we don't just test games to make that clear usually our further investigations into performance of gaming focus but we do in our day line coverage for CPUs test games but then obviously our sorry test applications but then when we test GPUs obviously it's all gaming based stuff but then you're getting back to the application thing it's a tough one as Tim saying because if we test premiere that means nothing for people who use Vegas yeah so this applications no application dependent yeah there's general things you can take out of like how long does it take to encoded video that's similarly sure oh I mean you can make the same argument for gaming and not everyone plays the same games but I think in general you can sort of get fairly typical like the performance is fairly constrained within certain bounds to what you're gonna see yeah in-game yeah so yeah it's a lot harder to sort of do the productivity testing and sort of find relevant stuff to what people are doing cuz I think a lot of the things that require a high performance CPU these days of you know there's a lot of niche applications but there's no real like big general thing that everyone does in their PSA that you really need like a high performance II I think it boils down to the fact as well if I did a 30 benchmark video you guys would love that and a lot of you would watch it we get a pretty good percentage of our audience watching those if I did a 30 application benchmark not sure that I do super well and I'm not sure I'd be super interested in doing it which is probably the main takeaway there but anyway we've probably addressed that question from enough angle I'd say so yeah we'll move on to the next one and this one is from Jeremy so it's a question for both of us so we can both get on the action on this one what got both of you into the PC world any source of inspiration hook maybe family passing down the interest on to their children or something I'll start because mine's quick and easy I just like computers as a kid like we we got a family computer and I got hooked to that way both my parents hated it I loved it and went from there yeah just didn't really know how to use it I was sort of grade 5 grade 6 486 it was then I got I sort of got more into console gaming after that then in high school got really interested in how it all worked building my own computer and then yeah got my own job saved up some money and decided to build my own computer fumbled through that process eventually got it working and never looked back we hooked ever since very very similar here it's a very similar in sort of New York family had a PC available you know in the house probably from a younger age and then you have certainly the entire time I could remember sort of just when I was just opening up a word document hearing the keyboard as a toddler apparently used to do that to have a bit of fun so yeah then I didn't really get into console gaming until after I go into PC game I sort of did we have this sort of family PC put it in a GPU in there played a couple of games and then also our consoles a sort of thing I'll try that out and sort of got back into pcs built built few of my own yeah one for me I think you know all starts in a similar way for most people I think you know those things are just in the house so you just use them yeah the fun with that is any particular the least this is my recollection of the situation the jump from console to PC if you had like a voodoo graphics card was significant in turn of 3d acceleration graphic performance and all that yeah so that's really what got me excited about computers was just how much bloom onion tender away it's just amazing and yeah it's interesting is now that I've been a parent for a while I've got a six year old and a four year old and my six year old loves fortnight because she's a kid and all their friends play on console and she wanted to play on console I made her learn keyboard and mouse and now she's like so much better than all of the other kids of the play and she's learnt computer skills like she can type she know can use a mouse and keyboard so I think it's important not to still have an old old desktop computer because it's such the hip thing now I think for families to have tablets yeah so I think a lot of people not as many people are going to get into PC gaming when there's not that family PC mobile there that you can maybe you know nag your parents into getting a faster GPU so you can play fort and I don't know whatever yeah well none of the kids know Nana my daughters friends have a desktop PC at home if you can believe that or none worth use but it's it's what's happening these days yeah it's just not going consoles and tablets it's always from the previous question where I say you don't really need a powerful desktop PC to do a lot of stuff people use a PC for anymore so people don't have them so that kids aren't getting into gaming you're sort of and I'm getting off topic here on this Q&A but me and my wife laugh and say it's like that movie idiocracy or what was it oh yeah you know they went back to drinking Gatorade and using that for the crops and everything that's gonna be like tablets like we've we've gone back from typing on desks okay like we've gone from devices that can be used for productivity to just content consumption which is great for everyone watching YouTube watch us on YouTube please keep buying your tablets you can watch our content but anyway probably getting a bit off topic there but yeah I think it's good for kids to learn keyboard and mouse skills because it gives them a massive head start in my opinion so enough dr. Phil we'll get on with the next question which is from net 7 any thoughts on the continual handicap md mobile AP use this will be a tim question I have had since launch and we'll see have this second-gen what's he what's he saying you seem to have with all the same sorry upcoming generation ie locked to ddr4 2400 GPU thermal limit of 75 degrees before the GPU and CPU speeds will tank so sorry during that question a bit yeah I mean you never want to see handicaps with any sort of hardware I think it's just sort of the situation that they're in with sort of you know especially on their AMD the rise in desktop platform with the RAM for example it's very easy on a desktop to just run or whatever Ram speeds you want you just said the XMP profile where you go you're all good whereas with a laptop these are all your heavily validated systems for OEMs and if you if your base spec is ddr4 2400 and you're not going to support ddr4 3000 as sort of an officially supported spec then then you run into these problems and I think that you know Amy wants to maintain maximum compatibility which is why they set it for 2,400 keep things more affordable we saw that with my first gen chip that used to my horizon 7 1700 used to work with ddr4 3200 degradation of the IMC and now it only works at like 29 33 or something and people were like why you're only testing it that I'm like all it works at now yeah I can't validate laptops for that and then have that sort of situation happen yeah exactly it you know it'll be great really great if they could have validated that for hire but it's just not gonna happen the GPU thermal is a bit different I'm imagining that there's some sort of reason I engine earring wise why it's limited to 75 well so AMD you have to understand I mean again I don't want to sound like an AMD fanboy or anything here I'm just trying to state the facts as they are AMD's fighting many battles on many fronts and they've been losing for a while and now they've made a big comeback with Rison but they've really got to make some serious inroads with the OEMs so there's not that much I've talked about this with the RX 570 versus the gtx 1650 because of things like efficiency or however that comes about AMD components are often cheaper to purchase but more expensive to integrate so the laptops will need more cooling and things like that and because they haven't had a track record through the bulldozer days they don't have the OEM support that Intel has so you know Dell HP they're not gonna go oh here's a new AMD APU let's engineer the crap out of this you know make it a real premium product use all the best materials you know big copper coolers and all that kind of stuff it's just let's make a really cheap low-end aimed a unit and move a couple of those so yeah that I think I think that those are all issues that sort of they it's gonna take time that's right at a time all those things will come together and I think you know the second generation of riser mobile ap use it's it's like a very minor clock speed increase so it's not nothing to get crazy we're still saying plus yeah this tool is m+ so is then to obey the hundred megahertz more yeah whatever probably wait till next gen to see what they've got well and that's part of the paint a lot of people have been saying why they only Zen plus and that's probably a big part of the reason they're still making those inroads there's no reason throwing Zen to our yeah when it's gonna get put in crap products why is there timelines world yeah also their timeline the originals n AP use were 2000 series products as well so yet yep alright Peter home minor Amina probably butchering that name there we've got two questions from Peter so yep you guys this is first we've got a second crack at that do you see a revival of multi-monitor gaming setups what about professional use do use multi display setup so for gaming it's probably dead so I did a couple of bench players and a couple of articles back for text but in the day with those Adelphi emails if any invidious around yeah it's just it's not as like I used to use that set up and I thought oh how this is gonna be so amazing there's just so many technical problems getting it set up and just have a single 21:9 one that is way better it bezels suck evening everything yeah a life in metal bezels compatibility all of that is better with just a single wider Mona so I think that is where gaming is gonna go that's what professional you see a multi you display is still really popular are you I personally use a 21-9 more and a 16-9 monitor to get for all my work stuff and that's great so I think it's not going to die there but for gaming yes I don't think it's ever really been great so can't see it reviving either now I grew up Oliver I technically use a triple monitor setup but I use triple computers as well so I've got my main monitor in the middle test system test system that's the most efficient way for me to benchmark yeah it's pretty nice so yeah not gonna bother with it the last thing this time his second question are AVX instructions important in gaming what do you reckon that's a pretty tough one to answer how do you determine if it's important I don't really know what I mean we know there's some examples where they've definitively stated that the game uses a VX but without knowing how to games code it's kind of hard to say whether they yeah so like Assassin's Creed origins Odyssey those games have a VX support and we know that they run significantly better with CPUs that support a VX because I've done benchmarks and yeah you're older Intel x58 Zeon's for example tank in that game badly without AVX instructions and they said that the advanced of the AVX instructions which are CPU commands they use them for some advanced vector operations it allows them to do them faster so which makes sense because they're advanced vector extensions yep so that's pretty vague pretty much as you'd expect yeah and I don't know how many games are really using AVX instructions but yeah I don't think it's I don't think they're vital or super important for gaming but if ya utilized they can speed stuff up yep so we were going to skip this question from Durazzo one two three but I've decided to read it because it's kind of funny so this keep in mind this question was asked before the GTX 16:50 was released because we're filming this late because Tim was sick again Timmy um we're never gonna let it down Tim got C yeah yeah C but I'm gonna read this question out because it's really funny having this question asked before the GTX 16:50 release so here's the question could the gtx 1650 and gtex 1650 TI potentially turn out to be the most important releases from Nvidia's churring lineup so they're not the most important they could have been really really really impressive and well yeah they could have got good reviews from that but obviously Nvidia didn't want to part with that silicon for $100 they wanted to make 150 dollars and that makes the 1650 kind of crap as we've said over and over and over again and $100 it would have got a rave review so we need a 33% yeah 33% discount otherwise they can keep their 1650 as far as I'm concerned yep so a pretty funny comment looking back at it now but yeah a good make jar death so this is Jared from Jared's tech if you haven't checked out his channel and you care about laptops and he does really good GPU comparisons as well then I head over his channel so that is Jared's Tech anyway these 16 50 TI a thing again this was asked before the 1650 launch or release yep hadn't heard any mention of it yet so the 1650 ti we think is the thing that's been rumoured to be a thing but we have no concrete evidence but it should be the full die so the full 2 1 2 u 1 1 6 die but that's correct so that means it would have the same I think the same cruder core count as the GTX 1063 gigabyte and that had probably landed around gtx 1066 about performance italy yeah maybe that best I don't know yeah it's another sm unit so it'd be a little bit faster but it's they're probably going to charge once 180 for it so it's not gonna be good value either you know so it'll still get beaten by an Rx 570 so it'll actually be a lot worse felt you probably anyway well I'm just guessing that's if that car digs that if it exists and that if it comes at those specs and that price so yeah anyway besides the 8700 Kay's you have do you also have other multiple pieces of the same hardware how did that happen a wife well we have two century 2.0 builds with all the same hardware so that happened check out that video if you haven't yeah see we have 287 our case because well we got three actually but we've got two guys I need one team needs one sometimes that happens because we've bought another one or sometimes that happens because the company was generally generous enough to send us to yeah if we end up with like I think I've got to Eric's five 90s because I did a crossfire test yeah just watched your new video on the RT performance on Pascal so I'm guessing this was also from a few weeks ago yep I think so it's for the great content yeah you you're welcome I was cruise if the 1660 TI fares any better with RT with the added tensor cause I'm aware it's not pass cap um so I don't actually have a 1662 yet pretty easy Oh answer so I haven't tested it but my my assumption is that it's better than the equivalent Pascal product but not that much faster and my assumption is it's still garbage yeah well pretty muddy tracing enabled the 16 C qti is a fantastic value graphics cards they put your green pitchforks down I very much like it but don't use it for a treat Pascal maybe don't use ray-tracing I mean unless you have a really powerful product and you're already right up there like the limit of what you're doing and you can sort of add raytrace and without harming too much performance but on Pascal man it is slow and the 1660 ti ya know seeing the 20 80 TI so enough said yeah okay from L PI question for you maybe Steve how much would it help to know in RAM sticks their memory names or more like who did the memory chips for that stick at least for these rise and Jen's I think it helped a lot having them works well with Rison feels quite clumsy for example under the spec sheet on the RAM sticks box that says Samsung be die chips in you know some kind of layout something like that you know how much would that help oh yeah not much and it probably almost become like a marketing thing just to sell memory because I know everyone loves Samsung beedo and rightfully so but not all Samsung beador is created equally so there's a bidding process so your absolute cream of the crop will end up on your high frequency with slightly lower latencies but then you can get Samsung B die that's not that great and that'll sell on your cheaper memory so that doesn't really help either really you've just got to look at what overclockers or guys are testing with so whether it's like your G skill flare X or Sniper X or you know some sort of course and memory that will naturally be using Samsung B die but they they'll generally use for like a flare X they'll use binned part to achieve those stuff at sale 14 for example at 3200 then it's going to be a higher quality be die chip so you've sort of you've just got to do your research really there's no yeah I mean it's not too difficult because there are some some brands and series that we know work well with Rison but then we don't you don't wanna get too caught up in the memory thing because unless you're you know shooting for absolute maximum FPS with some low resolution gaming then it doesn't really matter like if you're gaming with an RT X 28 ETA at 4k then you your memory becomes irrelevant really assuming we're talking about gaming here but then even for applications the performance uplift isn't massive anyway with you yeah tightened memory so you're best off just yeah doing your research and seeing what others are finding works well and hopefully it'll be less of a problem with then ii don't know we'll find out revel devil mm asks why do some monitors have stickers on them that say compatible with Windows 10 or any other OS is there any merit to this or is this just a marketing thing to make the less tech-savvy people more comfortable about a purchase I do believe that to get that sticker on there it does have to go undergo some sort of validation like they have to prove something there's probably some money exchanged or something like that sticker on there but yeah basically as you say I think it is just so that lets take every people can go you know this one this is guaranteed to work with what I have because there's a sticker on the box yeah I'd be astonished if there was a monitor that wasn't compatible with windows days not if it's just something that shouldn't happen right yeah I mean if it helps some people and help some people I don't really see a problem with it but doesn't matter a lot to me no it's probably got like a certified Windows 10 driver or something as well but I don't know all right Steve what is your worst experience in benchmarking worst experience in benchmarking holy moly through that oh I'm gonna put my foot in it you saying my worst experience recently was definitely the Radeon seven that was a nightmare and then oh boy I'm throwing myself in the deep end here and then horizon seven first-gen so that would have been the rise and seven what was it the eighteen hundreds the 1707 maybe had a lot of problems hard now that was the week from how for a lot of Czech reviewers so yeah I am being kind of yeah giving us some fun there and then apart from any sort of specific product launches I would say things that the worst experience when benchmarking or the worst experience is like any game that requires you to either quit to the main menu to change the resolution or like reset the whole game for a resolution change that drives me crazy monster hunter world is one that comes to mind you have to quit through the main menu change the resolution and then I think the game has to be reset as well so that sucks a shocker not resetting a game for quality setting changes is fine not for me and I hate that well I like to do it though because you know I do it even when it tells you not to do it just because sometimes you do need to do it so I've gotten to the resolution changes though that drives me bananas and anything from the Windows Store yeah we know Store is so bad so Chris do so but I've even complain about the epic store but the Windows Store is still yeah like ever every few weeks I have a fully redownload 80 gigabyte falls of horizon for anyway yeah can't wait to drop the Windows Store from testing I'm never picking it up again no matter how much you guys just my anyway do you guys see AMD opening up crossfire dx11 support for Radeon 7 this technology would be hard to implement on the Radeon 7 considering similarities Vegas 64 or do you think there is a hardware reason that dx11 crossfire isn't enabled on the Radeon seven can see that why there'd be a hardware reason no I'm more surprised about the whole crossfire thing I hadn't even thought about it I had no intention of ever doing a radio and 7 crossfire tests for the same reasons I haven't done any r-tx SLI testing I really don't like the whole Joule GPU thing because it's never as good as it seems it hasn't been good for like a very long time yeah there's people that argue black and blue in the face that it's fantastic and reviewers don't know what they're doing or this or that or there's always some excuse but I've had friends use it nightmare I've tried using the past because I have like over a hundred GPUs and I've got a few doubles and it's just not worth it so now I've done in the past as well yeah I've gone yeah I've got to Vega 1503 Vega 56 cards and I just stick one in my system yep and I gave up four okay I just don't want to deal with the headaches associated with having multiple GPUs it just never works as well it should so yeah I mean I haven't really answered that question but I'm sort of letting you know that I haven't looked into it because I don't really care yeah I don't think they will because it's a very niche sort of thing yeah they're probably more focused on just getting the drivers optimized and working and new titles for just one GPU so yeah for some benchmark video is why sure only a third of the games tested isn't it a waste of time to test them but not include them in the video I know you include them in the conclusion part but might as well throw them in their own graph okay I mean isn't it well there's a few reasons so back when we started the channel like we used to do around twelve fifteen games and that was considered a lot but then I kept you know people requesting more games I was interested in how these things matched up a wider variants of games and a wider range of games so we just started testing more and more but then I think I can't recall what at what point we changed to this new format but I remember when we're getting like 20-plus games it was the videos were running past 30 minutes of me just talking about graph after graph after graph after graph and I was kind of getting bored with it like I like just talking about the new games because I find that interesting how things are stacking up in the new games but going over the witcher 3 the witcher 3 and you know over and over and over and over and over again the margins never really change because it's a you know super old game now or Grand Theft Auto 5 or whatever it happens to be I got bored you know commentating on those results so if I'm bored doing it I have to imagine that a lot of people watching it a bored and there's only so many graphs oh I can expect you guys to sit through and I'm talking about the majority of the audience and I feel like a dozen is kind of like the most people can handle and so it's a massive job for me to script a 30 game benchmark and then go through all the graphs like and then proofing a 30 minute video is you know significantly more in-depth than a 15 minute video and there's watch time which is probably the ultimate deciding factor here is the fact that watch time really governs how well the video does so it's sort of watch percentage as well but anyway there's a whole heap of factors there for why we've optimized and I write the end of the day I'm really most interested in those big breakdown graphs at the end yeah so much they they're what really interests me and I enjoy doing em and that's why I've sort of made that half the video now is going through those graphs and cost per frame and stuff and then if you're interested the graphs are all on the patreon page so if you want to check any of them out for yourself then you can do that but yeah and I think you guys need me to break down 30 plus games and spend 40 minutes doing it or whatever Steve do you and the other guy play with with or without FPS counters during your personal gaming sessions one option allows you to focus on what's really important when you're in the game so that must be performance FPS counter and the other option is playing I should have just finished the question and the other option is playing without FPS counters I think the way I go about it generally is I set the gaming PC up correctly or as best I can get it all fully optimized if it's a new game I usually fire the game up and if it doesn't even benchmark I'll run that tune the settings or just play the game and work out you know whether I have to do any resolution downscaling if I have to adjust any kind of settings and I'll get in the sweet spot because I say I play with a Vega 56 mostly I do have a separate gaming system but I'm too lazy to use it most of the time so that's embarrassing but yeah I usually just workout where I optimize it first then just play and don't monitor performance yeah same here bit of FPS counter at the start to sort of figure out what's required and then yep switch it off and you just enjoy it again yeah actually the only thing I do turn on is ping if I can if the game has an option most of the multiplayer games do put my ping up just like I monitor that so if I die I can quickly look up and go oh look at how my ping is flame it on my ping it helps me it helps me respawn and get akka Sark and asks what do you guys think of the current state of PC hardware and what non GPU CPU hardware are you hoping to see at Computex this year um I think the state of peace out here is probably fine a lot of bitching and moaning goes on about r-tx and this and that I mean yeah whoo we've done a fair bit of RT expanding ourselves but as I've said many times I think the GTX 1662 I even the RT X 2060 I mean yeah this is CBM thing but I still think they're they're pretty good cards they're certainly better than what the other team is giving us so I don't have a problem with the state of things I think a.m. these CPUs a fantastic value for money so the CPU front certainly never been anywhere near as good as it is right now yeah yeah and the GPU fronts fine we've got what memory prices have come down SSD prices have come down it's kind of funny I always sort of think what the hell are you on about when people bitch and moan about how terrible PC gaming is right now and that RTX cards suck and in videos milking us dry and yadda yadda yadda I'm like yeah I can't see me coming from it at the same time were you alive like eight months ago a twelvemonth like how bad wasn't last year yeah like GPU prices double the MSRP Ram prices were insane so yeah I mean it's pretty good I did a video in January saying now is a good time to build a PC and I still think now is a good time to build a PC at this point I probably wait tools and two comes along and Navi and whatnot but yeah I mean you can build a PC for a reasonable amount amount of money and I'll let you play all the latest and greatest games at pretty high quality settings yeah so what more can you ask for I hoping you see Computex probably just I mean we're hoping for you know some new announcements and that sort of thing from the big companies as you would expect probably not too much from Intel and video on that front but certainly AMD yeah I think everyone's pumped for what imb is gonna bring really yeah I think that's that's pretty much it I mean you said non GPU and CPU hardware so I mean they're the new x5 7u motherboard which are rumored to be there I'm not super exciting but that's something at least I just like going around and seeing sort of the not necessarily the products that you can be bought now but sort of like the prototype stuff that is sort of gonna become what's available the next couple years like when you see you see this or a new thing that there are companies working on you're like oh that's kind of interesting some of it is seems really dumb like you're water-cooled power supplies more memory you know yeah yeah I mean but that's the other thing as well like they're really trying to they're trying to stand out and for us that's a good thing like again mechanical keyboards mice storage your SSDs cases power supplies like the amount of options we have available now and they're all really competitively priced so I think the PC how our market is awesome at the moment personally it's good final question here final one well this time when is your preferred time to benchmark do you guys prefer to start during the day or during the night about you sorry I don't do a whole ton of benchmarking like you do a lot of my monitor testing and stuff I usually just do it might sort of like watch your TV show do some benchmarking because it's kind of you just sit there you get the numbers you into Excel and go away with it what about you yes funny I like to have a TV show on I'm focused on the benchmarking it's kind of weird I don't actually watch I used to do a lot of documentaries and I sort of it's like yeah I'm Kai - you listen like yeah yeah yeah yeah like a podcast it's kind of background noise and it makes the boring parts of writing the same benchmark over and over again less boring and then I get the results which I find interesting so yeah for me the afternoon is definitely when I usually start testing and then depending on how much testing I've got to do I can go onto the earlier was the morning of the next day but yeah I don't like to benchmark in the morning that's that's my email time all right I see yeah I sort of my the worst girl who's kind of interesting like usually the second half the day afternoon that's usually like video editing time like video production yeah yeah doing b-roll sort of like getting all the stuff required for videos and either that will then go into you know for that video if it is going out that day so putting that all together and uploading it or just collecting that or for the next sort of time in the morning I tend to do a lot of like finishing up testing script writing okay well that's sort of things sort of get that done and sort of do some other things and then testing can be done around that yeah that's not too dissimilar to myself so I have two different types of days one day is a day where I film and the format's slightly different and one days a day where I test so but generally the morning is gather bad emails I usually do that for a bit then have breakfast I've had a bit more emails so just business side of things whether it's organising samples going back and forth with companies on problems or working things out or whatever and then from that I usually move into your script writing or if it's a filming day I go film then edit so and that's pretty much that day and then on the days that aren't filming yeah script writing research I usually do that up till about lunchtime have lunch and then I usually have to get into some form of testing and then I do that for as long as it takes so yeah that's that's kind of how I've structured that's how my body and brain life to handle things and it works well well thank you to all patreon members for their continued support and their fantastic questions that was a lot of fun that wraps up the april q and A's and we'll do it all again in about three weeks so actually we might have to squeeze that in before Computex yeah Computex the last week of May so we're gonna empty by the time you guys are watching this it's probably less than three weeks yep before we go so yeah we'll see how we go we're not even doing at Computex I don't know who knows we'll see how much time we've got that would be kind of cool we'll probably do a live stream from Computex as well yeah that we did one last year so do it again make a mix alright we'll work it out thank you very much for watching as always and what are you making me dress they start I fooled you in the last one might Rock any day I'm Yours Tim I will see you in the 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