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welcome back to harbor unboxed it is that time of the month time for our monthly Q&A this is a two-part series that we do once a month and this is part one Tim asks the question or asked for questions a few days ago now and we got about 200 questions oh baby about the G Force r-tx 20 series so apologies that that's going to be pretty much what both of the videos are about I think I don't know if we have any other it's mostly that yeah but especially that so hopefully that's what you guys all want to hear about anyway let's get into it okay first question we're starting with a serious question from the crazy old coot are they going to include a jar of Vaseline for each r-tx 20 series could handle it so that one probably be appropriate I'm sure they could have fun too considering the prices geez you guys forget some limited edition green pass away now that'll be nice very useful very good okay ashen one asks the r-tx 2080 has fewer cuticles than the GTX 1080 TI so which card will put out the most FPS mm-hmm okay well I knew we probably get a question like this to start off with yeah well obviously it's a difficult question to answer because we haven't been out to test them yet that's probably why you're asking as we said in the announcement video for games that we have available right now and probably the games that are sort of coming up in the very near future it seems unlikely that the 2080 would be able to beat the 1080i as you say and as few fewer CUDA cores and while that isn't everything we're not expecting a big or really any leap with cheering's IPC performance and really it comes down to I suppose whether they can take advantage of the RT and or 10 circles to it new improve performance that way again I don't think they'll be doing that for the games that we currently have available all the games in the near future but you never know that's why we need to test them alright another RTX related question and where do you see the future of road racing headed is it just another Nvidia physics and hair works or do you see this happening on AMD cards and consoles in the future what do you reckon Tim yeah it's it's pretty interesting so I think rate racing has always been sort of like the gold standard for lighting in games so I think the industry has always been working towards rate racing but just it's incredibly computationally intensive so it's very very difficult for cars that don't have this sort of new RT cause that shirring has to sort of accelerate those features so I think we're definitely moving towards getting these accelerated you know Hardware specific blocks in to do these sort of features in new cars like cheering so I definitely think there'll be more and more games coming out that support rate racing as to whether or not it'll be a physics or hair works thing I think it's probably probably more likely to be used than physics or hand works I'm simply because it's the best way to do lighting whereas you know physics and how it works of additions to effects that are already in games and I think definitely AMD will be working on you know their own ray tracing acceleration sort of things that they can put in their next generation cheaper architectures so we'll definitely be getting that and I also think it's important to note as well that things like RT X which is the group of technologies that allows Nvidia to do ray tracing that's not in itself a game works feature it actually sits below what's known as DX r or DirectX ray tracing so a game that just simply supports DirectX ray tracing will be able to use RT X it doesn't need game works on top of it of course Nvidia also has their own game works ray tracing features yeah so they'll be that layer on top but in general RT X will operate below DirectX so yeah it certainly is a very interesting time to get ray tracing in games because it has the potential to be very visually impressive yep but unfortunate I think this first generation will be a pretty massive performance it for now it's still seems fair way in the future and it's an expensive first step yeah very expensive so yeah definitely very very excited to see ray tracing do you think RTX is a stab at AMD's RX name I don't think so no but probably a happy coincidence for in video there what do you reckon yeah definitely not intentional no yeah and it's quite funny how similar they do sound though all these names are similar well yeah they're just blurring into one at this point yep okay so our CF asks this is a very interesting question a card having lowered Giga rays per second and r-tx ops results in a decrease in sharpness and overall quality of the reflections and refractions of the light all that result in an actual fps performance drop I assume that's what he's asking yeah yeah I think four stars I think ray-tracing will be restricted to cars that just can support it so you know Pascal you won't even be able to enable it but definitely you know we've seen that the you know twenty atti will have more Giga rows per second in the 2060 so that'll be interesting and I think twenty twenty twenty seven-year sorry the twenty-seven haven't heard about the 2016 tonight I'm gonna say ten 1080 ten seventeen I'm actually GTX rather than r-tx yeah so Larry um I have to perfect our names for this next generation yeah yeah I think they'll definitely be some sort of scalars and sliders that you can you know enabling games to sort of change the amount of rays as it is music change the sharpness and quality similar to current you know shadow set it usually you just increase the shadow resolution will be probably pretty similar to that of course all of the ray tracing games will be hybrid rendering along with traditional rasterization so it won't it won't ever be fully right traced but it will just probably change the percentage of ray tracing versus rasterization but it's really hard to say because we have a test of the games and haven't seen the settings that they use but yeah certainly it'll probably probably end up with both actually both in performance hit and quality settings depending on well it's not even clear full have anything to test when there yeah that's right though yeah it's hard to say at the moment but yeah I think would be a pretty typical effect sort of thing yep next question what type of CPU do you think will be necessary to avoid bottlenecking TX graphics card we're probably talking about the 2080 Ti here I don't think it'll be too different to what we have now to be honest because as we talked about an earlier question the RT X 28 ETA that's going to be the flagship model of course and it's not well potentially not a great deal fast and the today you see I can't imagine it's going to blow it out of the water and most people will be gaming at 4k so they'll be GPU bounder there and of course if they're using ray tracing if that's enabled then yeah the CPU can be the least of your worries but I would say anything like a six core Verizon five CPU eight Corizon seven or any six core Intel coffee like CPU probably the core i7 as we move forward I don't know everything will probably become somewhat necessary therefore your 12 threads oh yeah I don't I don't think they'll be too much different on the CPU front of course I'm very keen to test it out but I think with the CPUs that are acceptable for gaming now all work perfectly fine with the 2080 ti okay next question is what do you think will there be a difference in FPS from Pascal on non r-tx mode and if yes how much should we expect so I'm guessing that you're talking about the difference between Pasco and cheering when ray-tracing is not enabled I mean we talked a lot about that in our announcement video sort of discussing what we know from the specs and stuff and it's it's pretty hard to say because you know Nvidia hasn't given a whole lot of their own performance numbers mostly focusing you're talking about ray tracing you know they're new all sorts of deep learning and AI type stuff so yeah it's hard to say but we're expecting modest to small gains over Pascal yeah I think I can't recall exactly I think was around 20% I was talking for the most parts yeah so that's probably around around the market of course ray tracing will either simply not work on Pascal or will absolutely destroy the card so yeah it's probably not worth even comparing that sort of thing I think basically either case it won't work so yeah all right here's a good question for you Steve should I buy the 1070 TI or wait for the 2017 good question how do I answer this one why suppose all right let's start with some facts e the the 2070 has an MSRP of $500 us to the partner cards and it was a $600 us for the FE model we seriously don't recommend buying the FE model if you can help it because it's not gonna be worth $100 u.s. but at times you might have to buy that cuz it'll be the only option then right now the GTX 10 at 70 Ti that's coming in about 450 us on Newegg Amazon all the major retailers that's that's only a $50 us saving but secondhand so if you're really looking at getting a bargain you can get the 1070 TI's secondhand on eBay for about $300 u.s. and that's not like you got really lucky that's kind of like a better average asking price so pretty easy to get one at that price in reality the 2070 will probably be difficult to get for the 500 ala MSRP that you're probably looking at I would say for the first few months $600 us some of them are miles might even cost them more than that we really don't know but based on how availability goes with these things that seems to be about right very similar Pasco yes so realistically you're probably looking at spending $600 u.s. if you want to get one before Christmas so that being the case I would definitely be getting a 1072 i second hand as I said the average selling price is $300 I even saw some by now ones the other day for like 280 us so I'd be jumping all over that unless you're absolutely desperate or something like that to get a card you don't want to buy second-hand then maybe get a new 1070 TI hard to say on that one actually if you're looking at buying new I would just get a gtx 1080 because they're the exact same price is the 1072 eyes at the moment so probably skip cheering I would get a secondhand 1070 TI or a brand new GT X 1080 if I was if I couldn't wait like yep three four weeks til the reviews come out and reevaluate then so now I hope that short answer addresses your question so random dude walking down the street asks what are your thoughts about AMD cards not selling well even when they are come Pettit avantco son to give a few examples like people buying a GTX 1063 gig and or gtx 1050 TI compared to that explorer 70 in accelerator which were around the same price hmm okay I actually considered making a video about this a few times but I haven't had a seriously good think about it it's an unfortunate situation for sure but who do you blame for this you know I see the media getting blamed all the time because I suppose they're paid off buying video I don't know you know dumb gamers get blamed all the time as well but I mean is that legitimate whoo I don't it's a tough one to answer I think ultimately you could only blame AMD or Nvidia so you could blame a video for dodgy dirty business tactics or I don't know if you can call them business well they are business tactics aren't they they do it to generate sales that various things they've done in the past or AMD for not countering those things as well as possibly they could have no no what do you think on this matter yeah I think part of it comes down to you know just simply Nvidia having a lot more market share even though we do reviews and we analyze all the performance and we can quite easily say some AMD cards a better value than nvidia cards a lot of people out there that are buying these cards aren't reading reviews they're just going on you know what what can i buy with my money that I've got you know one of my mates using you know one of my favorite twitch streamers using or whatever and when NVIDIA has so much market share it kind of just yeah to buy what you you mate service people argue that they got that market share from dirty tactics so I mean you can't blame dirty yeah yeah dicks on reviewers or gamers and a perfect example would be like the GTX 1060 versus the rx 580 they're both great cards for you well they're supposed to be around 250 they've both sim posted be selling in a similar price there for similar performance there's it's real hard to pick between the two you could say freesync I'll go with AMD but then Pascal's a bit more efficient runs a bit cooler over clocks a little bit better certainly easier to overclock so it's pretty difficult to pick between those two and with AMD sorry nvidia already having the majority of the mark sure as you say it's not like tons of people gonna go i have to get the RX 580 because it's so much better it's a way better deal so they're not it's hard to clawback market share when you're offering something that's just as good yeah and I think AMD's run into a lot of issues whenever they have like you know that killer product that's better value like I remember that you know rx 580 or RS 4 and he wasn't with the 4 gig versus yeah 8 gig and everyone was saying you know at that price point the 4 gig more was really good value but you just simply couldn't they started up they stuffed up the RX 4 ace and they made a big deal about it being a ton of dollar card but it turns out that the a gigabyte model that everyone was reviewing and getting wasn't yeah that was 240 or something like that and it's only a $40 difference but it completely killed the value aspect of it yeah and you know they very quickly have run into mining issues not just with those cards but also back when they're they're really competitive stuff like the I nine to ninety you know just mining would come and just everyone would buy AMD cards for that so yeah they tend to run to those sort of problems unfortunately so yeah it's a very complicated question there's no there's no one answer where it's just it's a hundred percent that there's multiple reasons for why things have happened the way they have all right Andy s13 asks do you reckon the launch price of the 20 60 and 20 50 will be more in line with that of the 10 60 and 10 50 since they will be spared the r-tx treatment even more important will be GT 20 30 ship with ddr4 memory well I hope we don't see any more dodgy sort of business practices with those low end graphics cards but let's be honest we probably will yeah yeah I think we well we hopefully we won't but we anyway as probably the more important part of the question what was it the 20 60 and 20 50 yeah yeah well they're definitely not going to be she acts cards although it hasn't been officially said but it's pretty likely it's pretty likely so they're going to be much smaller GPUs that being the case because they shouldn't have RT cos tensor cause don't know hard to say but given they will be smaller GPUs the pricing should be more in line with what we're used to seeing for those lower end sort of entry-level to mid tier cards yeah especially because I am DS most competitive products are around the sort of 2060 2050 range and they still have to compete with AMD they still have to compete there don't have to compete as much from the high-end so they can get away with a bit more ridiculous pricing but certainly in that range I would expect it to be more in line with what we've seen in the past definitely all right next question since Nvidia revealed twenty atti earlier do you think they next or do you think next year we're going to see seven nanometer GPU from in a video maybe Archie X refresh with affordable prices nice to dream isn't it well towards the end of my what was my RT X announcement video I pretty much said something along those lines to add to that I think we would see a similar situation to what we did with maybe the GTX 480 that was replaced by the GTX 580 like eight to nine months after it was first introduced so I'm not saying we'll see the exact sort of situation as that but I expect that before too long or we will have the seven nanometer parts and they'll pretty much make the GeForce 20 series obsolete because they should offer everything that GeForce 20 series offers plus a really not well a really big improvement in efficiency and performance great white shadow asks I was waiting for the new GPUs but now wondering if I should get something to bridge the gap to the next one don't laugh but my current GPU is a Radeon 7870 I'm planning a new system building the somewhat near future is a 1080 TI worth it 607 us now or do I just get something like a 1066 gig 285 us well it sounds like you're the perfect candidate for the second-hand GTX 1070 TI that we spoke of earlier I wouldn't even waste your time beating or anything like that I mean you can try and get a bargain but for 300 dollars u.s. I'd just hit the Buy Now and snap one of them up yeah coming from your radio and why was it seventy eight seventy yep that's gonna be just a huge improvement a massive up Grammy honestly a GTX today's GI is probably gonna be overkill I don't know what CPU you have but in any case from what you're coming from to a ten seventy TI you just not gonna know what's going on as it is like it's just gonna be a completely different world of gaming use you're gonna love the upgrade yeah better bang for your buck and that sort of product here and then $300 secondhand you can't beat that right there really it's pretty good there might be some other secondhand options there is good bet throw dollars for ten seventy is just awesome okay I think that's about all via GeForce r-tx questions we can handle for now and probably the same to you guys watching I hope you enjoyed part one of this month's Q&A and part two will be on the channel at the same time tomorrow so thanks for watching like subscribe follow us on patreon if you want to get a monthly live stream which we just did and that was a lot of funds awesome and yeah that's gonna do it for this one so thanks for watching I'm you know Steve what's your name I'm Tim that's Tim see you next time