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welcome back to harbor unboxed for part two of our monthly Q&A i've got my trusty sidekick yeah Tim here with me so what have we got more questions on yeah well we definitely have filmed the first half of the questions before making this intro so we're definitely sure that it is the second the second half of ITX questions so you've been for more g4 stuff I reckon let's get into it okay next question considering the whole lineup of 20 series graphics cards will be available sometime around the end of the year do you think it is worth waiting for Navi that's AMD's Navi especially for people thinking about the 2060 or lower what do you reckon I mean it's one of those typical answers like if you can afford to wait then I suppose wait it's always a thing like do I wait or do I not wait because you can always just keep waiting for the next thing and we haven't even the GeForce 20 series hasn't even released yet we're sort of suggesting waiting but honestly if it was me and your shoes and I desperately I didn't desperately need a graphics card rather I wouldn't spend the money because don't part with the money unless you absolutely need to I don't know what graphics card you're gaming with now having said that like who knows how long it'll be till we see these new seven nanometer GPUs from Nvidia and AMD next year pretty certain it will be next year and that being the case it does make it a bit hard to spend big right now on 12 millimeter tech when I mean I'm confident are you confident that we'll be getting seven nanometers next year yep and or even if it what TSM see seven enemy or even if you say it's like what ten nanometers comparable to what Intel will be doing you that's still a massive improvement for 12 nanometers which is essentially 60 nanometers get to be confusing all this in any case it's going to be a big big leap similar to what we saw from Maxwell to Pascal I would think yep so I would save my money and wait for that and see how that goes if you can if not maybe grab a second hand Pascal card like we've been talking about - and a few other questions all right most of the improvements for the 20 series cards are mostly focused on ray tracing and not much of a jump on FPS also when can we expect an official announcement for Intel's I $9.99 hundred K and i7 9700 a yeah I think you spoke a bit about this again in the announcement video I think we both share the same sort of opinions a bit of a smokescreen potentially to hide the fact that 12 nanometer isn't that much of a step forward compared to what they were using for 16 nanometer with Pascal so yeah they're basically they've just made a bigger GPU with cheering and added in you know RT and ten circles which while it's will be great for people doing compute workloads probably won't be used in games or at least a significant amount of games for quite a few generations probably bit of speculation on our part but even just seeing the list of games that are using RT X features it's it's not not even half of like the the major releases coming out in the next 6 to 12 months so yeah I mean it's definitely paving the way for the future because you need to introduce these things to get the features get the ball rolling that sort of thing but where the future I just don't necessarily want gamers to pay through the nose for yeah nothing like that's probably paying a bit bit more than you would otherwise expect for that sort of thing for 9900 K though that should be pretty soon but we don't have any info on that all right there's a bit of a long question this has been asked a lot but I want an answer for a content creator student digital animation mayor blend all that sort of thing I've been waiting to upgrade my GPU will it be worth it to get one of the new RT X models or is a GT X 10 series for a lower price a better option although it's really tough in Chile because the market is bad yet kind of sucks the South America markets are apparently really horrendous for pricing yeah yeah I mean for these sort of workloads for your content craze it really will depend whether the app that you're using is going to take advantage of those chewing features so you know you might get a pretty significant performance improvement for things like ray tracing if you are running an app that will support the arty cause and the tenser cause and all that sort of thing ensuring but if not then you're way better off or at least it looks like you would be significantly better off with Pascale from a value for performance perspective so yeah unless you're able to take advantage of the shrink features then yeah probably better off with Pascale I think so all right we'll the 2060 and 2050 cards feature ray tracing or they just be a performance upgrade from the supposed previous generation so yeah do they will they support ray tracing or is it just a raster yeah I think I think either yeah I think the rumors are suggesting there will be gtx cards so they won't include the arty cause I mean obviously to save money a really easy way would be to either deactivate or just make a GP that doesn't have the arty cause it'll be in the testing for sure so yeah it seems pretty unlikely that those cards will feature ray tracing so that would just be something you won't be able to run yeah and probably just mostly a performance upgrade however large they managed to but even then I think something like that 2070 has a fairly significantly lower amount of arty performance compared to the top-end card so even that is gonna it's a forty years a trouble yeah forty percent less I mean from some of those you know captures that we've seen of the twenty a DTI running race racing it seems like that card is getting worked pretty hard to do ray tracing so with 40% less something like the 27 he's gonna struggle yeah I mean it's early rushed implementations of the technology and the games we've seen that said it uses it quite heavily to make the effect look amazing and you know wow factor yeah it'll be used to a much lesser degree and as we spoke of I believe in a question earlier I think it was the patron livestream they'll probably be like some sort of slider bar in the setting year to the degree of you can enable ray tracing so you know 28 ETA you might slide it more that way from 1070 2070 sorry say that's so much 1070 and 2070 but again that's not as bad as the RT X and GTX but anyway yeah I don't think you got see those technologies and the lower end cards yeah maybe the next-gen alright Steve this is a question that we've been getting a lot um well will you give us some benchmarks of the VRTX cards uh well we don't even know actually it was quite funny we were doing our patron livestream before and we were saying to the guys we don't know if it's going to be on the day that the pre-orders ship or a week before but apparently there's an NDA floating around the moment the date is was the 14th of September if a member maybe yeah I don't know if that's right it could be we haven't even signed an NDA so not sure what's going on there at the moment we yeah I would have to say or I have to assume that we will have benchmarks short at least shortly after you can physically buy them because if we don't have one buy them we will be buying one but hopefully we'll have one well in event so we can do all planned your benchmarks certainly not for a few weeks you won't be getting benchmarks though no definitely not at least two weeks from now next question this is funny can Tim actually get mad how do you use this well yeah we were reading through a lot of the fake rumors of the gtx 1180 which turned out to be that 20 80 just before on the patreon livestream so I think Tim was getting a little bit triggered by some of those so I think if I made him read through every rumor surrounding what is now the GeForce 20 series I think that'd that'd send him to a slight tinge of green a bit of bit of Hulk rage but anything else that upsets you triggers you beyond eyes it's just that just that that's just just fake Romans get too upset makes news corner really difficult so that's probably why he yeah alright I'll power through this question because it's like quite a few of the ones we've had I bought a GTX 1070 a couple of months ago and I'm very happy with it good stuff do you think I'm missing out by not having waited for the RT X series or am I better off having avoided it honestly I think you've probably done the right thing because you sounds like you bought the card at a time when the prices that just come down from their crazy level so you go a good time and honestly the way it's looking at the moment again pure speculation on our behalf but I think Pascal owners will have very little to upgrade to with cheering I would say that they're best off skipping cheering and waiting for the seven nanometer technology that will come next year okay rusty asks do you think the performance game from Pascal tutoring will be similar to that of Kepler to Maxwell ie the GTX 980 has fewer CUDA cores in the 780 Ti but outperforms it it's possible that cheering will pull away a little bit over time so I think we did see that with the 980 and 780 Ti though the 782 I did come back a bit it seemed like there was a bit of weirdness going on there with the drivers but anyway with driver optimization it's certainly possible that the Turing GPUs will pull away further especially if they can sort of take advantage of the RT and hence the cause for your particular comparison it's a bit difficult though it's and it's certainly a different situation because while the 780ti did have 40% more CUDA cores and that is certainly a lot more cause it had 33 percent less ROPS and the criticals themselves were clocked 20% higher on the 980 so just the standard 980 so less cause but more ops and everything was clocked higher for the cosmic clock tire so that gives the 980 a much greater a pixel fill rate it was about 70 percent greater I believe so that's why it ended up being a better gaming GPU okay short sweet question I 580 400 or r5 2600 for streaming slash recording Tim's going to delve into this topic soon on the channel I think yeah I think though this is a pretty quick answer to this one yeah you you're better off with the rise in 520 600 the 8400 struggles barely 6 threads yep definitely alright this is a pretty long question but I think a lot of people are wondering about this so I'll sit and relax so MFM art asks what is with the demos being rendered in 1080p on the show floor and why are there so many different reviews on their experience at the show a German site showed Tomb Raider getting low frames and I didn't produce the show poor rendering but TechRadar published the early opinion review stating the opposite shortly we have to assume that drivers and optimizations is simply not there yet and the video simply wants to demonstrate that it is possible not that it is finished that being said not quite sure what to expect with deep learning I get the functionality for DL SS but what other applications could we see can a I help in ray-tracing workloads or something like in a physics like capacity so lots to break down there lots so let's first talk about the demos what is with the demos being rated in 1080p well basically because it seems like the 20 atti running that particular demo is fluctuating between like 30 to 50 fps at 1080p with race racing enabled so takes 1440p out of the question yeah okay so that's why it's being winded at 1080p as for why different websites came up with different opinions I think most people have Illustrated the low frame rate some yeah I've seen pretty much the same opinion yeah I did see the was at the tech report tech radar check radar sorry sorry tech report and yet tech rate review yeah was a title was a review a preview I can't remember the URL had reviewing it yeah I thought it is well so that's bizarre very bizarre stuff if they said review because yeah a preview at best but I think some people with these things like it depends whether you're more sensitive to visual effects or whether you're more sensitive to performance well because you could come out saying well the effects are really good and completely ignore performance and other people will just be focused on it running it like 30 FPS on a flagship card so just depends yeah if you take ways it works yeah it just works yes sorry that's what it's supposed to be other thing for drivers and optimizations yeah it does seem like it is a fairly early implementation I still think ray-tracing will tank performance pretty hard considering how intensive it is to run on anything it's very computationally intensive so the optimization will be doing it less yeah so there will certainly be some optimization for being you know an early product but yeah what else have you got here what else could we expect from deep learning aside from DSS I think the deep learning stuff already helps with ray tracing to like do some post-processing on it to sort of smooth out some artifacts I think that was already a feature of the tensor cause yeah actually yeah I'm not doing some cleanup work for the right now I think not I was not sure on that alarm for other things there's there is the potential and there has been some reports suggesting that some post effects features could be offloaded to the tents of course but we'll see whether that requires you know game support whether that it can just be automatically done' what the case is like there so yeah I think there's there's certainly potential there for all those extra processing features of this GPU to do stuff but it might take quite a while for different games and game mentions to actually use it that was a thought I had when you're reading the question out it's I think that was the part where we were sort of talking about you know the software's not develops not optimized okay sure the cards are coming out next month will we have any examples of ray tracing that we use for benchmarking in games well we have more than one when will we have a really good example yeah might vary significantly yeah between games by the end of this generation how well will we have taken advantage of it yeah who knows listen so does it pack enough articles to even be really useful I don't think so personally that's just mine yes could be turned out to be completely wrong anyway blown out okay this is a short and sweet one can ray-tracing be something that can have some functions offload the CPU seeing that we now have high core count CPUs pretty basic answer this one no ray tracing is a way to computationally intensive to run on a CPU yep okay next question will AMD also come up with some super revolutionary high oh sorry lighting caused on their GPUs to compete with Nvidia and their ray-tracing marketing hype bs Wow yeah I'm sure I think we might have mentioned this earlier on a different question who knows I'm sure Amy will also introduce you no hardware accelerated rate racing in a future architecture especially as ray-tracing is actually being implemented through DX I think I mentioned this earlier which is DirectX ray-tracing that's vendor agnostic it's not any video specific thing obviously because it's DirectX and in videos developed r-tx for their ray tracing stuff and that's it's under D X R so basically if it game accesses DX r DXi passes it off to RTX a lot of acronyms there but that's kind of the chain down towards the GPU so basically AMD could develop like a RT x sort of equivalent for their hardware so I'm sure I'm pretty confident that will happen at some point definitely yeah okay we've got a question here for Tim from a rebel devil 2000 who is one of our patreon members so this is from our discord chat hey Tim I got to thinking about laptops and how high-end devices always have high TDP and in turn lower battery life but phones have the interesting set up of eight cores for low-power ones and for performance ones do you think something like that would be feasible in a laptop or in the laptop market for more efficient battery life especially if Snapdragon on Windows becomes more widely adopted well that's a pretty interesting question that when I'm interested here so I think the reason why we seen that setup of for low-power cores and for performance cause on smart phones is that smart phones do a lot of stuff in the background like you'll be even though when your apps apart it still has to you know process all sorts of things to get your messages in just to run all that sort of thing you might be playing music with your phone in your pocket you know that uses processing power and all that sort of thing so the reason why they have those low power causes if you're only running a low power task or if your phone is idling or whatever it can fully shut off those performance cause just use the low power cores for those background tasks but on a laptop I think a lot of the time you know those the tasks you might be doing it mostly would be sort of mourn the performance in something like running Chrome latency problem or might not benefit as much from having low power cords especially because you know there's noise noise main background tasks obviously windows itself is a background task if you're just idling I think a lot of people would just have their laptop go to sleep and then turn it on and use all your performance tasks so that's one reason why I don't think that would be as useful in laptops but also modern x86 processors have a very different way that they sort of implement low-power you know core gating and all that sort of thing already exists so with you know smartphones they do some of these things as well but Intel process and ami processes have much more advanced methods of down clocking or clocking up really really fast clocking CPU cores at different clock speeds power gating cause entirely and that's not fully implemented on smartphones if so when those low power cores of performance course can have a bit more benefit so yeah I personally I don't really see it happening but yeah I wouldn't make sense I don't think you know basically with your laptop the point is to get the job done as quickly as possible and sort of a maximum amount of efficiency let's say yeah where it makes sense get it done and then go to a title stay yeah whereas with phones all those background tasks that it's good to have those cores you can offload - and especially as well you know what are those low-power slash performance cause actually use different architectures for the cause mmm was I think you know these come you tell an AME apart from heavy atom until I guess they just use the one basic architecture and then get it to scale up and down as much as possible so I gave it's probably bit logistical II difficult for some of these companies to develop something like that alright so we've finally gotten through two whole videos now with the Q&A questions probably on exactly the same thing on the RT X card so that's been a bit of fun answering those over the past hour so thanks to everyone that submitted questions and yeah if you missed part one obviously go back and watch that if you haven't already be a bit of a bit of a madman to watch part 2 before part 1 I reckon I mean April were just crazy there's some people that will do that for sure as always don't forget to like the video if you enjoy our Q&A and I think we have we have some cool stuff in a patron at the moment we've just done a live stream well don't film this but yeah we had two live streams this month for the patreon so it's plenty reason to sign up over there and get access to our exclusive discord chat as well so it's all fun and games over there I guess we'll catch you the next one so your next time you