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welcome back to how our unboxed yesterday we got our first official look at how the GeForce r-tx 2080 TI and 2080 performed and I was quite impressed with the 2080 ti what it offered at 4k but ultimately was let down by the fact that the nuturing GPUs cost way too much for what they ultimately end up offering that said ideally showcase a dozen games in the day 1 review and although I had the data for many more I didn't have the time to discuss that many games given the time that we had to produce that content so it's day 2 now and I'm hitting you with a mega 35 game benchmark but before we get to the results of this video has been sponsored by deep cool planning on a high-end build with a geforce r-tx graphics card then you'll want a cpu call it a match check out deep calls I catch and castle all in one liquid cooler it looks so good you'll think ray-tracing is enabled the RGB lighting featured on the waterblock and fans is addressable via the supplied controller or alternatively you 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month so it's pretty great value though we will be adding ray-tracing soon and charging considerably more so getting Wireless cheap just kidding that was of course a lame joke as usual I'm using our Corsair GPU test system inside the crystal series 570 X packing the core i7 87 okay with an all-court overclock a five-year Hertz with 32 gigabytes of vengence ddr4 3400 memory for the AMD GPUs I've used the Radeon adrenaline 18.9 point one driver and for the NVIDIA Pascal GeForce graphics cards we have the 399 24 driver while the new GeForce r-tx 20 series GPUs will be using driver version for 11.50 one kick starting this mega benchmark session is Monster Hunter World and testing has been conducted using the highest quality preset here we set the r-tx 28 he was able to edge ahead of the 1080i by a small margin and that means it was 40% faster than the 1080 so a decent performance increase there we also see the 20 atti way out in front though truth be told at 1440p it is just 26 percent faster than the standard 20 80 and 31% fast in the 1080i it is able to expand upon this lead at 4k now beating the 1080i by a 39% margin but more crucially than that is able to deliver playable performance I do realize that people claim around 30 FPS is playable but boy is the input lag horrendous if you want to try it out for yourself just set your display to 30 Hertz it's bloody awful and certainly not the experienced someone who just spent $800 us on our 2080 is looking for moving on we have dirt for and for those unfamiliar with this title the preferred anti-aliasing method is CMAA it works incredibly well for the Radeon rx Vega GPUs for example Vegas 64 is able to match the r-tx 2080 in this title at 1440p but don't expect to see that too often in fact you aren't gonna see that again in the batch of games that we're testing with in this video the 2080 doesn't improve upon the today you see is average framerate performance though we do see a rather massive 32 percent improvement in frame time performance oddly the 2080 TI's frame time performance isn't much better than that of the vanilla 2080 though the average frame rate is 18% higher that said it moving to 4k allows the 2080 TI to stretch its legs and the new flagship part is now up to 29% fast in the 2080 and 37% faster than the TI the 2080 was also able to leave the 1080 way behind in its settling dust next up we have Assassin's Creed origins and here the 2082 I looked to be CPU limited as it was only slightly faster than the 2080 which was only slightly faster than the 1080i which was a reasonable margin ahead of the 1080 bump the resolution up to 4k though and we start to see some separation the r-tx 2080 is only 6% faster than the TTI for the average frame rate but 15% faster we're looking at the frame time result it was also 36% faster than the 1080 that said the 2080 ti it was less impressive beating the TTI by just a 28 percent margin so a pretty lackluster result here for the new performance King Kingdom Come deliverance as a total that needs as much GPU horsepower as you can possibly throw at it as you can see here at 1440p the 2080 TI is required to keep the 1% low figure above 60 FPS for the frame time performance the TI model was 30% faster than the standard 2080 and 32% faster when comparing the average frame rate so pretty impressive stuff there for the 20 80 TI that said at 4k while still playable those dips down to 38 fps were at times notice so even the 20 80 TI it wasn't flawless here for silky smooth frame rates you will need to drop the quality of preset down a notch imagine buying a GTX 20 80 TI to play fortnight but you know there will be a heap of gamers that have and don't get me wrong I do quite enjoy fortnight but with competitive settings I'll run on a dirty rotten potato here we are using the ultra quality preset or rather the epic quality preset as it's better known in the game for over 100 FPS at all times the 2080 or 1080 - I will do the job nicely but if you want to stay above 144 FPS or there abouts for those using 144 Hertz monitor it's not you have to stay by 444 Hertz but alright I'm getting off topic but anyway if you want a lot of frames per second then you might as well get a 2080 TI and middle e at 4k using the highest quality visuals even for that looks pretty crisp and with over 60 FPS at all times it played incredibly well on the 2080 TI the standard 2080 also matched the tazie i and both delivered a pretty smooth gaming experience oh and for those of you hope in SE pub in this big benchmark video I have had to drop that title I spent 20 minutes trying to get into a game two days in a row in fact and I couldn't do so so I don't know what's going on there is the game just completely dead now very strange anyway without the ability to get into a game I couldn't test it so I've had to drop it I just couldn't afford to waste any more time trying to get into a game and of course I would have to get Noah game multiple times to benchmark a range of cards and anyway fortnight's ten times better am i right moving on f1 fans brace yourself as I have tested with both the 2017 and new 2018 version of the game first that we have the 2017 results of 1440p but with both games I will be using the Albert Park circuit here in Melbourne under the same conditions at 1440p the game was already very playable on a gtx 1080i and by very playable I mean unbelievably smooth with virtually no perceivable input lag even for the Sebastian Vettel's of the virtual f1 world and jumping up to 4k did slow things down a bit as you'd no doubt expect another 1080i and 2080 are keeping things above 60 FPS at all times obviously that's still a great result and while faster the 20 ATT I only delivered a little over 20% more performance of course almost 100 FPS at 4k is mind-blowing stuff but I was hoping to see bigger gains moving to the newer f1 2018 and again we said the 2080 delivers 1080 to our light performance still the 1440p results are impressive for both GPUs the 2080 TI was again a little over 20% faster so well very strong in terms of performance doesn't exactly justify the 70% price increase over the 1080i the 4k results are a little better another 2080 TI is 30% faster than the 1080i again doesn't justify the price increase but 91 fps in this modern racing title at 4k is very nice that said there is an issue here the frame time performance looks a little cattywampus this isn't a mistake I did triple check these results and even tried the AIB models and I've still got the exact same result every time so this has to be a driver bug these are of course early drivers so I expect an Nvidia will get on top of this issue before too long I had also plan to test Forza horizon for just the demo of the game but it kept crashing on the r-tx cards so again probably a driver issue which is a shame as it would have been a great game to test out a much older game that I'm sure many of you are still very keen to see how these r-tx GPUs performing is The Witcher 3 Wild Hunt the 2080 again provides 1080i light performance we see the same frame time result with a slight boost to the average frame rate the 2080 ti enables slightly better frame time performance at 1440p with a 30% boost for the average frame rate over the GTX 1082 I then increasing the resolution of 4k helps the 2080 to extend its lead after 37 percent while the plain old 2080 is seen to be 38% faster than the 1080 so not a bad result there in our previous video so the day one coverage we showed shadow of the Tomb Raider performance so if you missed that video I recommend going back and checking it out because there are an additional 12 games that we aren't going to discuss in this video anyway since we already covered shadow of the Tomb Raider we won't talk about those results again here but I will include them in the performance breakdown at the end of the video this time we're going to look at results that we didn't previously discuss in a rise of the Tomb Raider using the DirectX 11 API at 1440p the results are unimpressive the 20/80 is slower than the TI while the 2080 TI is only a fraction faster therefore it's quickly moved to the 4k results and see if the 2082 I can pull anything out of the bag here it was still just 25% faster than 1080i and I suppose that alone is a decent performance increase but again it doesn't come anywhere near close to justifying the price increase the same is true when comparing the non TI models of the 2080 and 1080 the new model was less than 30% faster moving on we have Deus Ex mankind divided another very GPU demanding title and here the 2080 does offer a nice little performance bump over the 1080 Ti while the 2080 Ti is the only GPU to keep rates above 100 FPS at all times even at 4k the 2082 I still ensures the framerate stay above 60 fps at all times and with an average of 82 fps the game I ran a silky smooth it really did deliver an amazing experience meanwhile the 2080 was again slightly fast in the change here I'm making at 44% faster than the standard 1080 Total War saga thrones of Britannia isn't exactly the most cutting-edge title that we're testing with but it does do an excellent job of utilizing the twenty ATT I even at 1440p that said while it does put in a strong showing compared to a lot of the 1440p results we've seen it was still just 29% faster and we see that the 2080 also beat the 1080 by a similar margin interestingly at 4k the 2080 ti slightly extended sallied but the opposite is true for the 2080 which sees the 1080 close in on it overall not amazing results here given the price tags but the 2080 TI is able to deliver play performance while the rest of the field struggles next up we have Warhammer 2 and here the 2080 basically mirrors the 1080 ice performance something that we're getting quite used to seeing at this point also as usual the 2080 Ti is seen well out in the front there having said that it wasn't quite 30% faster so let's move on to see if it fares any better at the 4k resolution nope not really here it's exactly 30% faster than the 1080i which is obviously a huge increase but it's again not exactly aligned with the current 70% increase in asking price still if you want to play Warhammer 2 at 4k and all of its glory then there really is no better choice personally though I probably just lower the quality preset a notch and save enough money to go on a short holiday maxed out for honor isn't the most taxing title and we see that both the 1080i and 2080 are able to maintain over 100 FPS at all times when testing at 1440p using the extreme preset still a 30% performance uplift for the 2080 over the tourney will be welcomed by those with higher refresh rate monitors but I guess you did already have the 1080i offering that kind of performance so the 2080 the ads no real value here of course at 4k we see much the same the 2080 isn't able to beat the 1080i while the 2080 see I was just 28% faster so a somewhat disappointing gain but having said that a 3 FPS on average at 4k using the extreme preset really is a thing of beauty now if you're wondering why we're testing with a game called war thunder it's because this is one of the most heavily requested games that always comes up when we do these big benchmark videos I've personally never played it but it seems like a lot of you guys do so here in the 1440p results it seems like we're limited to just shy of one hundred and 60 FPS at this resolution using the highest quality preset called movie so not much to discuss you let's move on to the 4k results okay so now we're seeing a good amount of separation the twenty eighty is of course matching the 1080i as we have seen time and time again making it 35 percent faster than the 1080 the twenty ATT I was just 26 percent faster than the 1080i but with frame rates never dipping below 100 FPS the experience was pretty amazing albeit there are only a fraction better than what was possible with the 1080i moving right along the next game we have to check out is Sniper Elite for using the DirectX 12 API with async compute nailed the GTX todai-ji was already quite nimble at 1440p in this title and we said the twenty eighty roughly matches its performance while the twenty eighty eight was only twenty four percent faster then as usual we see the margin slightly extended at 4k and now the twenty eighty is 30% faster than the 1080i meanwhile the twenty eighty is 35 percent faster than the 30 so decent gains but not the 40 to 50 percent Nvidia were promising the twenty ATT I pushed over 100 FPS on average and Middle Earth shadow of war at 1440p and that's really a stellar result despite only beating the ti by a 31% margin it does seem so strange to constantly be referring to 30% gains as only or just but you have to do that when you're talking about such a massive increase in price moving to 4k does help the 20 atti further distance itself from the 1080i here it's 40% faster and again while an awesome performance boost we're talking about an almost break-even scenario here in terms of the MSRP s so it obviously is even worse than that when we take the current retail prices into account anyway moving right along we have quake champions and this is another title that isn't the most demanding like what we saw with for tonight but again those that play this game a kind of nut jobs a bit like those csgo players they require hundreds of frames a second and I'm of course joking about the nut job part input lag is a real thing and Tim did explain it really well in a video not that long ago so if you want to know about that go look for that video anyway if just shy have 200 FPS on average isn't cutting it for you at 1440p then perhaps the 20 atti pushing over 220 FPS will suffice the 185 FPS 1% lower results certainly is impressive when you're strafing around the map and doing all that rocket jumping and stuff that quake players like to do of course if you plan on playing at 4k than the 20 atti does prove more useful as it's the only GPU capable of keeping framerate above 100 FPS at all times that said it was also less than 30 percent faster than the gtx 1080i so still a pretty tough sell then then of course we see the 2080 only and matching the 1080i as we've seen time and time again prey has always been a well optimized title so pushing over 100 FPS with this game max out 1440p was never really an issue for the GTX 1080i the 20 ATT I did push the average framerate 27% higher but I suspect we're starting to become CPU limited at this point as the frame time performance wasn't greatly improved increasing the resolution of 4k really helps the 2082 I pull ahead and now it's almost 40% faster than the 1080i and the experience was noticeably better for those with high refresh rate monitors the 2080 is again kind of in no-man's land it's unable to better the 1080i so it's really difficult at this point to understand the point of this product next on our benchmark list we have Star Wars Battlefront 2 and here the 2080 just managed to outpace the 1080i when looking at the average frame rate despite that the 2082 I was still just 27 percent faster than that's an 82 I the margin does greatly improve it 4k and you can see why own video hand-picked this title a showcase the GeForce r-tx Series performance in their review guide oh and of course they chose to do so at the 4k resolution even the 2080 is clearly faster than the today GTR in this title albeit by a 7% margin but we haven't really seen much of that however it's the 41% performance lead enjoyed by the 28 ETA over the 1080i that caught our attention playing battlefront 2 at 4k using the ultra quality settings and never seeing frame rates drop below 60 fps is something to behold man did it look good okay so here we have another viewer requested benchmark for a while now I've been getting constant requests to benchmark warframe and I have done so once or twice but I found it quite difficult to test the game in sort of a challenging section that really represents more demanding gameplay I apparently have to play for quite a few hours many hours in fact you have to reach the Cetus I believe that's how you pronounce it but correct feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but you have to get to this section of the game as it is quite demanding and this is where I was told to test one of the viewers who was regularly demanding this test ended up becoming a patreon member so that he could play with me more directly to test warframe and he even offered to help out that was greatly appreciated I handed over my account and he got me to where I needed to be in order to test the game more accurately so a big THANK YOU to Thanatos on our discord server for getting my account up to speed hopefully you enjoy the results mate as you can see at 1440p the 20/80 is 30% faster than attorney and the 28th ETI well that was just 15% faster than the 1080 TI so let's move on to check out the 4k results we see a bit more separation at the 4k resolution but even so the 2080 TI is just 23% faster than the TI while the 2080 was 31% faster than the 1080 not particularly great results for these new GeForce r-tx graphics cards and I wonder if we'll see further driver development improve performance in this title though I doubt it will be a focus for in video Ghost Recon wildlands provided us with some rare results the 2080 managed to beat the today co by double-digit numbers though only just it was 10 percent for Hastur on average meanwhile the 20 atti was 16% fast in the 2080 so not a great result for the churring flagship GPU interestingly the move to 4k did squash the 2080s lead over the TTI and now they're basically delivering the same performance which is what we've seen quite a bit of the 20 ATT I was able to extend its lead they're only out to 24% which was quite disappointing despite the fact that gameplay was noticeably better as we near the end of this mega benchmark session we have World of Tanks another lightweight title that's always heavily requested I'm not sure if you actually require over 180 FPS on average to maximize your skills in World of Tanks but if you do please let me know in the comment section below in any case the 1080i edge to the 2080 out while the 2080 ti it was just 22% faster on average the margin was extended to 25% at 4k and this did allow the 2080 TI to average well over 100 FPS which is quite impressive meanwhile we see that the 1080 - I again edged out the 2080 and we're going to wrap testing up with a rack fest for the first few months of this game's release Pascal kind of sucked in this title before Nvidia eventually corrected that with updated drivers it looks like we might see a similar situation with cheering as it's not just the 1440p results that are massively underwhelming there admittedly we do seem to be running into a system bottleneck and please note we are testing the most demanding section of the game we could find at times when just racing around not that many cars the frame rates were much higher so please be aware of that at 4k we see basically the same performance out of the 20 atti when compared to the 1440p results just seen that being the case it's now 26% faster than the 2080 but only 13% fast in the TI so some optimization work to be done here then the 2080 also only matched the 1080 so that's a very disappointing result okay so there's 23 more games that we didn't look at NAR day one coverage but it is worth noting that the Dozen games shown in yesterday's video were selected to give an accurate picture of how the GeForce 20 series compares to the GeForce 10 series views across a broad range of games so the average performance margins won't change by that much just a single percent here and there so we already know how the 1080i and 2080 TI can pair but let's get a clearer picture of where the gains are coming from and where they're not as you can see across the 35 games tested the 2080 TI is on average 23% fast and the TTI at 1440p in yesterday's video i showcased the big wins in Rainbow six siege and Wolfenstein 2 but here we see the 28 Ichi I was also a weapon in Kingdom Come deliverance and Deus Ex mankind divided that said we see some pretty poor games in titles such as Grand Theft Auto 5 war thunder ARMA 3 rec fest rise of the Tomb Raider hitman and quake champions for example some of this is down to this system a CPU bottleneck for example but some of it is also likely down to drivers and it's possible in video we'll be able to improve things from this point we can minimize system bottlenecks and make these games more GPU bound by testing at the 4k resolution and doing so extends the 2080 TI's lead over the t2i app to 30% of course we do see examples of 50% games in Rainbow six siege of Wolfenstein - that's truly remarkable and I wish we saw more of that now looking at the RT X 2080 we see when compared to the tej GI it was just one percent faster an average at 1440p the only noteworthy wins were seen in Rainbow six siege and Wolfenstein 2 while it was slower by a 5 percent margin or greater in hitman rise of the Tomb Raider and project has to the margin remains the same at 4k and the performance trends are also much the same sir overall the 2080 is offering 10 ATT I like performance when compared to the GTX 1080 the new r-tx 2080 it was 29% faster on average at 1440p which isn't bad and slightly better than the 23 percent gain in the 2080 ti provided over the 1080 TI then finally at 4k the 2080 offered 33% more performance which is certainly a very respectable game but of course as we saw in the previous video it really comes down to how they stack up in terms of cost per frame the following section of the video is pretty much just a direct repeat of what was discussed in yesterday's video I was going to skip this for this video but then for anyone who missed the day line coverage I feel like this is really important information so I felt like it should just be included again so let's just go over that information one more time okay so we're going to actually make a few cost per frame comparisons based on the 4k results just seen first let's look strictly at AIB MSRP s that is the suggested retail price for videos bored pups like MSI gigabyte and a soos for example added to the model names on the graphs axis are the MSRP s so $1,000 u.s. for the r-tx 2080 TI for example this means the 20 80 TI comes at a cost of 10 dollars and seventy five cents per frame based on the performance just seen that figure alone means nothing but when compared to the 10 80 TI it means you're paying a nine percent premium for the new flagship GPU so although the MSRP has increased by 43% given the additional performance you're only paying 9% more but of course that's not really how we should look at this given that Pascal is now a two-year old architecture but I will discuss that more later the RT X 2080 comes in at a cost of nine dollars and 58 cents per frame and that makes it just four percent more costly than the GTX ten eighty and three percent cheaper than the GTX today you see I so that actually seems pretty good and by all accounts it is I mean it's not exactly great progress as you're effectively paying GTX 1080i money for gtx 980ti performance and well we've had that for like a year and a half now and it's worth noting but the situation gets much worse if we pricing the founders edition models the 28 EF e costs as much as an AI be 28 e TI per frame and then the $1,200 u.s. 28 e TI comes in at a staggering twelve dollars and ninety cents per frame 31 percent more than the 1080 TI but yet again it gets even worse than that because you're forced to pay the FE premium on all geforce 20 series cards so that being the case let's take a look at the current market prices this is what you can currently expect to pay for an RT X 20 80 and 20 80 TI and it's pretty brutal the 20 80 comes in at a cost of $11.50 per frame making it valued than Vegas 64 and 20% more costly than a gtx 980ti again for the same performance the 2080 TI is basically a break-even scenario it's about 30% faster than the gtx 1080i and it costs about 35 percent more per frame of course you will want to be able to use all and extra performance as it costs almost 80% more upfront before wrapping all this up I wanted to touch on the game selection and why some reviews may show different margins to others prior to the release of my day 1 coverage I had already compared cheering to Pascal in 35 games so I knew which 12 to pick in order to provide an accurate representation of how they compare over a large spread of games and here are the games that were picked to do just that as you can see depending on the game is used for testing the results can differ quite a bit but overall we see that the 2080 ti was 30% faster on average at 4k but what if I'd picked a dozen different games to represent the 2080 ti like the 12th best results for example well now we see a situation where the 28th eta is 41% fast and the TI on average and that is exactly what companies like envía do when they provide benchmarks so many people were convinced that the 20 80 TI was going to be 50% faster across the board because of all the benchmark data provided by Nvidia misleading benchmark data I might add of course we could also mislead viewers in the other direction if we had it out for NVIDIA and handpick a dozen of the worst examples doing so would see the 20 80 TI delivered just 21% more performance on average obviously this isn't something we would deliberately do since we strive to provide the most accurate and detailed reviews possible this is merely an example of how the results can be skewed so this is why we like to test with a massive spread of games it also gives you a good idea of the gains you may or may not see in titles you actually plan on playing if you're big into Wolfenstein Rainbow six siege battlefront 2 and other titles where the cheering GPU is absolutely killed it then they will offer you more value but if you're a rec fest nut enjoy playing project cars - or primarily play any of the games towards the bottom of the graph then provide even less value than what our average suggests okay so I'm not going to merely just rehash my conclusion from yesterday's video I rather I would like to expand upon it so again it probably makes sense to go watch that video first if you haven't already done so but in summary the r-tx 2080 makes no sense at all right now as it stands it's an utterly pointless product and it's all because of the price even assuming a best-case scenario where it sells at the $700 US MSRP a price you may never see by the way it still doesn't appear to offer anything new in terms of regular gaming performance I suppose that's what we have to call it now non rate racing is just regular gaming we've had this level of performance for a year and a half now from the GTX 1080i at this point it's looking very much like the r-tx 2080 ti it will be the only 20 series model worth purchasing unless we see a massive price correction or technologies like DL SS become widely supported and work very well at the moment seen can benchmarks which tell you nothing so just hold out till we get some actual performance in real games or at least games that aren't just showing canned benchmarks at this point though we know very little about it in regards to how it works and all that sort of stuff Tim we'll be digging into this soon hopefully he also has some games to dig in with but right now I wouldn't purchase an RT X graphics card in the hope that DL SS will be amazing now I said the 2080 TI is the only 20 series model worth purchasing and I didn't exactly say that because it's good value I'm not actually even recommending you buy it it's just that out of the two options we have currently it's the only one that I would entertain buying I suppose having said that though I wouldn't actually buy it I would just get a GTX today GI and compromise on visual quality settings at the 4k resolution just dial things back a bit and you'll get the sort of performance you'll see on the 20 80 TI that said if you've got bottomless pockets or like Paul from Paul's hardware puts it and money keeps falling out of your but anyway I like Paul from Paul so I thought that was quite funny but yeah if you don't want to compromise on your gaming experience and you want the absolute the BES and you're evidently willing to pay whatever it takes then the 20 atti does offer a pretty unique gaming experience it is quite incredible what it can do a before k resolution so I guess what I'm trying to say is the gamble that ray-tracing and DL SS end up being worthwhile features for this generation is less of an issue for the 2080 ti we already know that you're receiving never seen before 4k performance out of a single graphics card so at least there's that getting back to the non TI version of the 2080 why would you pay a 20% premium for GT X 1080 iolite performance that one is a bit beyond me and will be interesting to see how many gamers do I know they've been snapped up quite a bit under pre-order I don't know how many people will be cancelling a pre-order and just getting a cheaper 1080i or how much sales will slow now that the hype is kind of well it should have died off anyway so yeah interests see if that forces Nvidia down to the actual MSRP due to slow sales but if gamers continue to snap them up at alarming rates then well we're all doomed also next month the RT x 2070 will be released and that one is coming in at well $600 US for the founders edition model so if this release is anything to go by that probably means all cards are going to sell for more like six hundred and twenty to six hundred and fifty US and I'm expecting GT X 1080 light performance maybe maybe a little bit better overall but I can't imagine it's going to be too much better than that so you're probably going to be looking at a similar experience to what we're getting now for 470 u.s. now we're fairly certain stuff like rate racing isn't going to be a very good probably a complete bust on the 2070 if I'm perfectly honest and it's hard to say how well the LSS will work since we don't actually know how well DLS s works period by the time the 2070 is released next month we may we'll probably actually I was going to say we might know but I think we'll probably still be in the dark as to how these features really do work so probably another gamble there I mean just by looking at the games list and I talked about this in yesterday's video the games that are advertised to support either rate racing or DL SS are already looking to be quite thin not that not great support Nvidia probably could have done better a bit more organization on that one but yeah the game list isn't impressive so I think it really won't end up being worth the gamble assuming this is the case and I'm right about this the GeForce 20 series at its current pricing is a complete bust though you could argue that it is regardless and then it's sort of like why would you buy the 2070 because presumably that's going to be just as poor value and the same will be true for the 2060 and so on they're just big fat Pascal GPUs the cost an arm and a leg so yeah if you haven't gathered already it really is all about the pricing the AIB MSRP S for these nuturing GPUs is the absolute maximum you should even entertain paying for one of these new GeForce 20 series graphics cards and that is assuming that the technologies that I've been waffling on about end up being the bee's knees if we ignore ray tracing and DL SS for the moment which we probably Auto given they are still unknown quantities at this point that leaves us with raw gaming performance stuff we just looked at power consumptions a little better but overall much the same and the same can be said for overclocking there's really no Headroom there so the GeForce GTX 1080 Ti has been doing its thing for a year and a half now and the 1080 has been around for a little over two years so that being the case it is hard to justify the existence of these new parts the 2080 ti really needs to cost no more than 800 us and then the 2080 I'd say 600 us is probably the most you want to be paying for one of those at those prices they would be pretty exciting products and worth buying in my opinion sure that though I would just sit this generation out in any case just don't pre-order it's not a smart idea for now ray tracing looks to be more hype than anything and Nvidia are using this to hide the fact that they don't actually have anything new to sell at least just yet anyway the real performance gains will come when they move to the seven animator process next year so I don't see the GeForce 20 series having a particularly long lifespan are certainly nothing like what we saw with skel nvidia simply isn't going to accept giving up the performance crown AMD and i expect that is exactly what they will be doing with the GeForce 20 series next year that is of course if they don't act and push out seven animated GPUs as soon as possible so the GeForce 20 series looks to be a bit of a money grab in my opinion a stopgap to seven nanometers if you will I think the plan is to cash in it now on the RT x hype and then deliver the real goods next year after all the RT x name change is designed to make you think that your pascal gtx 1080i gtx 1080 and gtx 1070 are now heavily outdated so give gamers the opinion they've got to dump that GTX dinosaur and get in on the RT X action and I think this is why in videos pushing the RT X xx atti out the gate right away rather than waiting a year like they did with the GT X 1080 Ti and they simply aren't in a position where they can juice the series over a two-year period in fact in my opinion they don't even have an entire year so rather than milk it over a 24 month period the plan is to ravish gamers wallets from day one I still believe all that to be true with the exception of the seven nanometer part since making that video news has surfaced that chewing was originally intended to be fabricated on a 10 nm a process from Samsung but because of delays there they were forced back to TSMC s 12 nanometer process this means next year it's possible in video will refresh cheering on Samsung's at nanometer process an extension of their ten nanometer node with a reduction in transistor size if this is true that it would seem AMD has received priority on TSM sees seven nanometer process somehow forcing Envia to look elsewhere seems unlikely to me that in video would look elsewhere if they weren't forced to it'll be interesting to see how this plays out as Samsung has never fabricated such a large chip the biggest thing they ever made on their 14 nanometer process was 150 millimeter squared so that's a little bit bigger than the GP 107 die use by the GTX 1050 Ti so paying a big premium for a product that's probably gonna have the lifespan of a mayfly I won't be the wisest investment you'll ever make anyway as we usually do here at harbor unbox we will continue to monitor the situation and provide updates where necessary as I mentioned earlier Tim is going to be all over ray-tracing and DL SS like a mayfly on LG I on the other hand will be checking out a few board partner cards then sticking my feet up for 5 seconds before tearing apart a heap of zed 390 boards to test variables and a few other things along those lines and then it'll be time to see how the new core I nine or Arya a new core oh nine ninety nine hundred k processor performs this guy's been sitting on my desk for well pretty much all week now so I'm keen to benchmark it but I won't be till the middle of next month that will release those results I haven't signed an NDA or anything but we will respect other media outlets like gamers Nexus do when they get things ahead of time and you'll see our review go up the same second everyone else's does and with that I am going to end this one it's been a long long week and it isn't over yet like I said we've got to get those board partner cards so I have the big MSI card that looks pretty fantastic and it actually is because I've already got some good numbers for that one so to get a review of that out gigabyte has sent over some nice-looking cards as well so I'll be checking those out and yeah then I'll take that quick break before diving into the Zed 390 boards tim's turn will be coming up very shortly he'll be providing all that content overclocking so I'm looking forward to seeing that anyway if you enjoyed this video please hit the like button we very much appreciate that subscribe for more content just like this and if you appreciate the hard work we do here at Harbor box then consider supporting us on patreon you can jump into our discord chat and harass us there it's actually quite a lot of fun and you can also 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