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welcome back to harbor unboxed now just let me get this off my chest I was wrong well sort of I did grossly underestimate how powerful these nuturing GPUs would be and while I'm the first to admit that I didn't stress the time that I was only guessing while making a number of assumptions and you know what they say about those but I was pretty confident my claims I think I was allowing the high prices which really annoyed me at the time the one-month pre-order period and all the faffing about ever retracing all that stuff to sort of cloud my judgment a bit and I did jump the gun on a few things having said that in my defense you know defend myself ever so slightly but I admit I was very much wrong on the performance claims but I did have your best interests at heart the theme in that video was don't pre-order play it safe make an informed purchase after all these aren't exactly cheap graphics cards and I wasn't exactly wrong for questioning how much value they would ultimately offer but as I said the performance claims were a bit off I was actually miles off on my RT X 2080 claim which is quite interesting and possibly more interesting as the fact that I wasn't that far off on my RT X xx atti performance claim so that's probably going to disappoint a few of you anyway enough about that for now let's get to the results because I know you've had enough speculation or leaks slides from Nvidia and even official information regarding specifications and pricing so rather than go over any of that I'm just gonna get straight to the benchmarks starting with a few quick words on the test system as usual I'm using our Corsair GPU test system built inside the crystal series 570 X with a core i7 8700 K clocked at five years for 32 gigabytes of vengence ddr4 3400 memory for the AMD GPUs I've used the Radeon a journal in addition 18.9 point one driver and for Nvidia the GeForce 399 24 driver while the new GeForce RCX 20 series GPUs will be using driver version for 11.50 one in total we have a dozen games to go over along with a few other tests then tomorrow we will unleash a mega 35 game benchmark okay let's get to the results starting with the battlefield one 1440p results we see at the r-tx 28 he is able to deliver gtx 280 i like performance initially I was worried the 2080 would be slower than the TT I placing it somewhere between the 1080 and 1080 Ti thankfully though it is better than that and we see it delivering 27% more performance on the GTX 1080 when comparing the average frame rate and 23 percent more for the frame time result the 2080 Ti is an absolute beast here beating both the 2080 and 1080 TI by over a 25 percent margin pretty incredible stuff but let's move on before K to see what happens there here the GTX 20/80 like the 1080 I was able to provide player performance rendering 24% more frames on average when compared to AMD's Radeon Vegas 64 liquid but it was the 20 80 TI that again blew us away with an incredible 100 FPS on average at 4k and battlefield 1 using the ultra quality settings in fact the frame time performance of the 20 80 TI was higher than that of the 1080 TI's average frame rate so that's pretty incredible moving on to Far Cry 5 and again we sent the our checks 28 he is able to mirror the GTX 292 eyes performance with 112 FPS on average making it 27 percent faster than the GTX 1080 as for the 2080 ti that pushed the average frame rate out to 132 FPS but we are clearly running into a system bottleneck here as the frame time performance is similar to that of the 1080 TI who would have thought that 1440p using ultra quality settings that are 5 gigahertz all caught 8700 k overclock would be holding things up moving to 4k relieves the system bottleneck and now the 2080 TR is 28% faster than Italian T on average and 25% faster for the frame time result the 2080 is also 30% faster than the GTX 1080 so another impressive result there that said while the 2080 does average 61 fps you will notice dips slightly below that of course it is still very playable but it's not as silky smooth disease experience seeing when you're using mid 20 80 TI that is truly breathtaking next that we have ARMA 3 a title that's always heavily require here we set 1440p that we're certainly not GPU about it's quite clear that there's some other kind of system bottleneck or possibly even a limitation of the game itself so we'll have to move to 4k to see what the new r-tx GPUs can offer right so at 4k we only see a slight drop in performance for the 2080 ti when compared to the 1440p numbers just seen this means it's now 30 percent faster than 2080 and 1080 TI meanwhile the 28 is 35 percent faster than GT X 1080 and that is a pretty serious margin right there moving along we have some Grand Theft Auto 5 results and again I know this is a seriously old title but it's still very popular and you guys seem to absolutely lose your mind if I don't include it so in an effort to keep the peace here are the results also please note the game has been maxed out including all the advanced graphical settings despite that though we are seeing a pretty heavy system bottleneck at 1440p so the results here are somewhat useless though they do inform us that if you are a massive gta5 fan and you only play at 1440p then the r-tx series won't really provide a noticeable performance boost once again it is the 4k resolution that helps separate the RT axis from the GT axes here the 20 ATT I was 37 percent faster than the 1080 - oh and that's a seriously nice game we also said that 2080 roughly match the 1000 you see I place it well ahead of the vanilla 1080 so an amazing result here hitman is yet another title that sees us somewhat CPU limited at 1440p I see the 20 ATT I was just 8% faster than the 1080 - OH so let's move to 4k to see if the more extreme resolution helps shift the focus towards the GPU once again it is the 4k resolution that helps separate the RT axis from the GT axis here the 2080 CI was 24% fast and the TI and decent performance jump but not really enough to justify the price increase meanwhile the 2080 roughly matched the 1080i making a 30% faster than the standard 1080 which is actually quite an impressive result for the first time ever no man's sky has found its way into our benchmarks quite a few viewers request that we test with the title since it has been updated apparently now it is actually pretty good performance with the new r-tx graphics isn't bad either the 2080 was a smidgen faster than the 1080i and this meant it was a whopping 49 percent faster than the 1080 then at the very top of our graph we of course have the new art CX 2080 TI which offered a 25 percent performance bump over the standard 2080 increasing the resolution to 4k helped the 2080 TX then its lead ever so slightly over the 2080 now it's 27% faster meanwhile the 2080 beat the 1080 by a slightly less impressive 14% margin the results seen when testing with project cars - aren't as impressive as we're expecting and here we don't appear to be running into any kind of system bottleneck the 2080 TI was just 18 percent faster than the 1080i and the 2080 just 21 percent faster than the 1080 apologies for all 1080 and 20 ATS in this video but there's really no way of getting around it anyway hopping up to the 4k resolution did nothing to help out the 20 atti here it was less than 20 percent faster than the 1080 TI while the 20 80 was now just 19% faster than the 1080 this could merely be a driver issue or it could be that cheering is unable to leverage the integer course in this title next up we have Rainbow six siege and this titles always leverage the Radeon GPUs very well here we see vega 56 matching the gtx 1080 and beating the 1070 TI something it doesn't often do shirring does seem to correct this and here we are seeing some pretty stellar gains over Pascal given at 1440p here the 2080 TI was almost 40% faster than the 1080 TI while the 2080 is 51% faster than the 1080 those are some serious gains and we see them continue at 4k as the 2080 TI is now 51% fast and the 1080i and the 2080 52 % faster than the 1080 again and those are some seriously impressive gains right there I was shocked to see 145 FPS on average at 4k from the 2080 ti that is just mind-bending performance another you title that we're benchmarking for the first time is shadow of the Tomb Raider and what an incredibly amazing looking game this one is you'll certainly want to dial up the eye candy and with the new r-tx graphics cards that's not really a problem here we see if the 2080 again matched 1080 at 1440p while the 28 ETA was 24 percent faster hitting 107 FPS even at 4k the performance provided by the 2080 Ti is pretty unbelievable 59 FPS on average with a 1% lower result of 50 fps in a game that looks at this good that's an incredible result and if you drop the preset just one level to higher the average frame rate jumps up to 80 FPS with a 1% low result of over 60 FPS so again really impressive performance at the 4k resolution the 2080 also does quite well though like the 1080i you will at times notice the slight dip in frame rates but I am of course being quite picky and after all these certainly hard cheap graphics cards strange Brigade is a recently released title that we've already benchmarked quite extensively on the channel here we see at the RT X 2080 matches the 1080 Ti at 1440p and this made 36 percent faster than the GTX 1080 as impressive as 125 FPS on average is the 20 ATT I absolutely blew that away with 163 fps making it 28% faster than the 1080 TI that margin is slightly reduced at 4k down at 27% but that still makes the 2080 TI by far the fastest GPU in this test pushing 94 FPS on average the 2080 also managed 69 FPS on average with a 1% lower result 59 fps so it also allowed for a nice smooth gaming experience at 4k the second last game we're gonna look at is vermintide 2 and here the 2082 I rendered 133 FPS on average 1440p making it 25% fast in the 1080i and 2080 meanwhile the 2080 was almost 40 percent faster than the 1080 so a pretty big step forward there vermintide 2 looks quite exceptional at 4k and playing on an RT X 20 atti with over 60 FPS at all times was a bit special it's an expensive experience but ahem does it look good it's only 24% faster than the GTX 1080i but it makes a massive difference to gameplay the 20/80 was also just 17 percent faster than eternity but again that made a huge difference to how well the game played finally last game they were going to check out in this review is Wolfenstein - the new Colossus and wow just wow nvidia has focused on improving their async compute performance and the results here just speak for themselves okay so the 2080 Ti is averaging 273 fps 1440p using the maximum in-game quality settings you'd be forgiven for thinking that Wolfenstein 2 must look like fortnight this made the 2080 ti 41 percent faster than the 1080i while the 2080 was 49% faster than the 1080 however those margins are further extended at 4k here the 2080 Ti is seen to be 55% fast in the TTI that said the 2080 maintains a similar lead over the 1080 as they were less CPU limited at the lower 1440p resolution but seriously can I just say wow one more time Pahadi Hal 170 FPS on average at 4k I mean the 1080 T I was already blistering fast this tile but a hundred and seventy FPS with a 1% low of 152 FPS holy moly that's fast of course you can make the 2080 TI a little bit faster by overclocking it though as was the case with Pascal they are pretty well tapped out it was possible to increase the GDD r6 memory frequency by 650 megahertz and the core by 190 megahertz this resulted in an average operating frequency of 1940 megahertz for the cause when gaming the vanilla 2080 accepted the same 650 megahertz for the memory but 120 megahertz for the cores as the cores are clocked a little higher by default this resulted in an average core clock frequency of twenty one hundred and fifty megahertz when gaming ultimately what all this means is you're able to squeeze about 9% more frames out of the 28 E and 5% more out of the 28 e TI when testing with shadow of the Tomb Raider not mind-blowing but it is extra performance for free the 20 ATT I again saw a 5% boost from the overclock at this time when testing with strange Brigade meanwhile the 2080 saw a similar 7% boost to performance again not amazing but it's better than a sharp stick in the eye moving on here is an overview of the 2080 TI and 2080 founders and graphics cards both stock and over as you can see the operating temperatures only increased by five degrees when overclocked and we saw a 6 or 12 percent increase in fan speed I should note that the operating volumes for the founders edition models were very low the cards are basically silent when installed in the system even at 2200 rpm the dual fans can barely be heard so quality wise the fe cards are good but we still don't recommend you buy them given that they cost more than the AIB models and cards from MSI or soos gigabyte and so on are likely to be as good if not better the average operating frequency of the 28 ET art was increased by 11% and the 2080 by 12% but of course we've already looked at the resulting performance the GDD are 6 memory also ran at 7600 50 megahertz once overclocked for a throughput of fifteen point three gigabits per second oh and I almost forgot power consumption we should probably touch on that the r-tx 2080 Ti is a bit of a power peak pushing total system consumption up towards 500 watts which is Vega 60 for liquid territory of course in terms of efficiency it is world's better and I think we can accept this kind of power consumption given the resulting performance after all total system consumption was only up 15 percent from the 1080 Ti then we see that the r-tx 2080 system configuration consumed 20% less power and compared to the GTX 1080 TI which is a reasonable improvement given it delivers comparable performance okay so we've now looked at performance than a dozen games and if you think the choice of titles seem to be odd a bit random please know that it's neither of those things and in tomorrow's video it'll be a lot clearer as to why I chose the titles that I did for this video I'll certainly briefly touch on overclocking I really didn't go into any depth there at all just showed a few performance numbers and the frequencies that I got to which I'm pretty sure are the maximum frequencies that my cards could do without on you're really serious modifications but anyway Tim will be following up on the channel the next few days with some more in-depth overclocking content overclocking guides perhaps all that sort of stuff but anyway for now we need to finish this review so let's take a closer look at the performance breakdown we did often find that the 2080 ti was CPU bound at 1440p so unsurprisingly here it is just 23% faster the 1080i on average that said we do see examples of it providing games in excess of 30 percent with Rainbow six siege and Wolfenstein being the standouts here we see the same batch of test run at 4k extends the lead out to 31% so on average the 20 ATT is 31 percent faster than the 1080 TI according to our results the most notable change here is Grand Theft Auto 5 previously the 20 ATT I was just 1% faster as the system was heavily limiting performance but now for Kade is able to provide 37% more performance again Wolfenstein 2 is the standout result for the 2080 ti but it also does well in Rainbow six siege and no man's sky comparing the 2080 TI and 2088 1440p provides similar results to what was seen when comparing the 2080 TI and 1080i here the 2080 ti beats the standard version by a 21% margin on average the margin is extended to 30% at 4k and again this is because the 2080 ti isn't limited by other components in the system the 20 80 TI packs 48 % more criticals in the 20 80 so a 30% performance uplift on average is what you'd probably expect to see now looking at the RT x 2080 we see that when compared to the 1080i it was just 1 percent faster on average at 1440p it's only notable wins came in Rainbow six siege and Wolfenstein 2 while it was slower by a 5 percent margin or more in hitman and project cars - the merger remains much the same at 4k and so do the performance trends so overall the 2080 is offering 1080i light performance when compared to the GTX 1080 the new 2080 was 29% faster on average at 1440p which isn't bad and slightly better than 23% gain the 2080 ti provided over the 1080 TI then finally at 4k the 2080 offered 34% more performance which is certainly a very respectable gain but then I suppose it really comes down to how they stack up in terms of cost per frame so let's look at that now okay so we're going to actually make a few cost per frame comparisons based on the 4k results just seen first let's look strictly at AIB MSRP s that is the suggested retail price for videos board putts like MSI gigabyte and a soos for example added to the model names on the graphs axis are the MSRP s so why thousand dollars us for the r-tx 20 atti for example this means the twenty atti comes at a cost of 10 dollars and seventy five cents per frame based on the performance just seen that figure alone means nothing but when compared to the ten atti it means you're paying a nine percent premium for the new flagship GPU so although the MSRP has increased by 43 percent given the additional performance you're only paying nine percent more but of course that's not really how we should look at this given that Pascal is now a two-year old architecture but I will discuss that more later the r-tx twenty eighty comes in at a cost of nine dollars and fifty eight cents per frame and that makes it just four percent more costly than the GTX ten eighty and three percent cheaper than the GTX two no UTI so that actually seems pretty good and by all accounts it is I mean it's not exactly great progress as you're effectively paying gtx 980ti money for gtx 980ti performance and well we've had that for like a year and a half now and it's worth noting that the situation gets much worse if we price in the founders edition models the 2080 fe costs as much as an AI be twenty atti per frame and then the $1,200 u.s. twenty atti comes in at a staggering twelve dollars and ninety cents per frame thirty-one percent more than the ten atti but yet again it gets even worse than that because you're forced to pay the FE premium on all geforce twenty series cards so that being the case let's take a look at the current market prices this is what you can currently expect to pay for an RT x 2080 and 20 atti and it's pretty berdal the twenty eighty comes in at a cost of $11.50 per frame making it worse value than Vegas 64 and 20% more costly than a gtx 980ti again for the same performance the 2080 TI is basically a break-even scenario it's about 30% faster than the gtx 1080i and it costs about 35 percent more per frame of course you will want to be able to use all that extra performance as it costs almost 80% more up front it's meant to be something else that I'm supposed to cover in this review what am I forgetting it's meant to be some other big advantage of buying these new NVIDIA GeForce r-tx graphics cards Oh silly meets in the name isn't it Freight racing VRTX 20 atti packs 10 Giga Ray's per second of racing performance and right now you can utilize a total of zero Giga Ray's per second considering how much noise and video has made about this technology and we spent the vast majority of the GeForce 20 Series announcement talking about nothing else it's pretty shocking that every gamer who ordered one after seeing that amazing Star Wars demo that was basically running on a supercomputer mind you can't actually use the technology in any of their favorite games in fact right now we're waiting on a Windows 10 update which is scheduled for release next month before it's even possible to use the technology at all but of course we also need games and frankly the list of games advertised to include rate racing at this point is pretty underwhelming currently the list includes less than a dozen games and they make up maybe a quarter of the hotly anticipated titles that will be released over the next year also I'm going to risk making an assumption again and that assumption is that most gamers aren't a fan of all games so chances are there's only a couple of titles coming out over the next twelve months or so that support rate racing that you'll actually want to play one of the best looking games is shut off the Tomb Raider which can't actually support rate racing till next month at the earliest at which point most of you who want to play that game will have played that game so going back and playing it again just to check out rate racing makes it more of a tech demo at that point so it seems as we suspected Nvidia made a heap of noise about road racing to justify the crazy high prices of these new GPUs it's unlikely that many of you will want to or will be able to take advantage of rate racing with the new GeForce 20 series GPUs of course at this point that's just speculation on my behalf we will just have to wait and see but already the games list is a pretty strong indicator that I'm probably not wrong on this one DLS s or deep learning super sampling is another exciting new feature that we just can't test out yet outside of a few demos and while the list of supported games is more extensive it is also rather limited so again this is a benefit wait in the C situation when it comes to our reviews here at harbor unboxed we really only like to make recommendations based on the facts that we have at hand which is why we were a little hesitant to recommend horizon initially as it wasn't really clear how long it would be before those extra cause would prove useful for gamers in the case of these new GeForce RT X graphics cards we could only base our assessment on the games tested as well as the current market prices and while that being the case these new GeForce graphics cards in my opinion are a bit of a tough sell and frankly if I'd preorder 90 X 2080 I'd be seriously considering canceling that pre-order right now it has to be said the RT X 2080 makes little sense at the $700 AIB MSRP it's okay I guess basically it's a few percentage points better than the GTX tonight EW and what all the gains are impressive and tile such as Rainbow six siege and Wolfenstein 2 for the most part the gains are very small and we will better illustrate this in tomorrow's 35 game benchmark so as I said earlier after a year and a half we're getting gtx 980ti like performance for GTX today ETI money but then that's not even true is it we're getting gtx 980ti light performance for a 20% price hike and then the hope that rate racing won't be a complete bust for this generation so after a year and a half of gaming with the gtx 1080i telling me rather unimpressed but we do have the extremely impressive RTX 2080 TI the sock blower i lost so many pairs of socks benchmarking this thing in a few dozen games that I've had to restock my drawer it is a mighty impressive GPU in terms of performance as we saw it was on average 31 percent faster than the already fast GTX 1080i so finally 4k higher quality gaming on a single graphics card is now a reality but it's a reality you'll probably need a second job to enjoy at the $1000 a IB MSRP it's not too bad as crazy as that sounds you're still paying a premium but it's less than 10% over the 10 a UTI however at the current market price it's a bad joke 35 percent premium over the 1080 I know thank you in video if you've got money to burn then I guess the r-tx 20 atti can be justified because well you're not really needing to justify anything after all a 4k 144 hurts gammy monitor starts at $2,000 so I guess dropping $1,200 on a graphics card to make use of that weren't really being an issue for the rest of us it's just not worth touching AMD's Vegas 64 is horrible value and you'll be paying even more per frame for an RT x 20 80 and 20 80 TI so that's probably all you really need to know horrible pricing aside that I am in awe of the performance these new GPUs can achieve particularly the RCX 2080 ti it's 4k gaming performance really is unbelievably awesome even so despite being completely wowed by the r-tx 2080 Ti and having admitted that I was wrong with my destiny at the start of this video as to how these cards would perform I don't really regret being cautious I'd probably rather they didn't speculate at all because that's something we almost never do here at harbor unboxed but if I had to which I have so there's no going back on that now I'm glad I was well under or not yeah I'm glad I was under I was 10 percent under for the the RT X 20 80 TI and I'm glad I wasn't 10 percent over because that might have prompted some of you guys to pre-order and now you can make an informed buying decision that being the case if you were going to pull the trigger on let's say the arch X 2000 either of them really but this is the one I'm probably most disappointing because at least this one although the pricings even worse it enables something that no other product does so there's some you can kind of justify the premium I suppose but anyway let's not get into that if you're going to preorder this card or you're going to wait for the reviews and buy it have the reviews changed your mind in any way or you now on your way to buy an hour RT x 2080 let me know in the comment section down because as always I am very keen to hear your thoughts and with that I am going to end this video because I am absolutely naked I don't even know how many days we spent on this content piece or I spent on it Tim's about to get busy because these cards are heading his way but yeah it was a fun but grueling couple of days of benchmarking and putting this content together so I hope you did enjoy it if you did feel free to the like button for us we greatly appreciate that subscribe for more content because you are not going to want to miss what we have coming on the channel tomorrow because that's the main reason why I haven't done much sleeping and then after that you may have noticed this little guy this little graphics card yep it's a new MSI gaming trio or what is it the the gaming extra I forgot the X you've gotta get the X in there but uh it's kind of a big graphics card it's kind of a big RT X xx atti and it's possibly one of the best - the best one you can money can buy and certainly certainly Dwarfs the foundation car I thought this thing was heavy but no it's not heavy not heavy at all it's quite light in fact so yeah this will there'll be a review on this on the channel before too long can't wait to see what it can do anyway thank you for watching if you appreciate the way with your harbour and box then consider supporting us on patreon you can get access to our discord 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