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welcome back to harbor unbox today we are talking about and videos announcement of their upcoming GeForce 20 series at 2:00 a.m. in the morning and that's 2 a.m. my time Nvidia hold their games con 2018 keynote and as expected announced their next generation GeForce hardware and began taking pre-orders as always we don't recommend you get involved in the pre ordering process and we highly recommend that you just wait and check out the day 1 reviews so in case you missed it and video will be releasing at the RT X 2080 and our TX 2080 ti rather than the usual base model 80 and 70 cards at launch I think I know why we are seeing the 2080 ti at the initial launch which is something we don't normally see but I will talk about that towards the end of the video and give a few of my personal opinions there for now though let's go over the official information than nvidia has given us for now we have details regarding the RT x 28 e TI RT x 20 80 and RT x 27 the 20 80 models will be hitting streets on the 20th of september next month while the 2070 will be coming the following month in october as you might have guessed the 20 80 TI is indeed the flagship part while the 20 80 is the high-end model with the 27 t being a slightly cheaper high-end model designed for enthusiasts who don't want to break the bank though given the MSRP s that one's a bit laughable at this point so as I said in video releasing the 20 80 models first this time and they will be available in a month's time but as of today they're taking pre-orders pre-orders a whole month in advance and you might think well ok maybe the pricing is reasonable hmm maybe not the 2080 ti starts at an MSRP of $1,000 u.s. and that is for the partner cards and then $1200 us for the founders edition version so we're talking Titan XP money meanwhile the vanilla 2080 that one is starting at $700 u.s. for the partner models and an $800 US for the foundation and then capping off the high end we have the 2070 which we're coming in at $500 u.s. or $600 us for the FAK so this means gamers are looking at having to spend between 100 and 300 dollars us more for an equivalent model from the past generation and then on top of that the Effie models carry a further 100 $200 u.s. price premium and you just know that these are going to be the only models available from time to time again I'll discuss more of my thoughts on pricing and availability towards the end of the video Alicia's got all aspects out of the way first all the official information that NVIDIA has given us the new 20 series is based upon 10 videos cheering architecture and as the RT X in the name suggests rage racing it's all the rage now basically what we have here is a type of hybrid rendering that combines a ray tracing with traditional rasterization so along with the new tensor cause we're also getting RT cores in video States the fastest geforce r-tx model can cast 10 billion rays per second which compared to the unaccelerated pascal is a 25 times improvement in ray tracing performance however today's games don't use ray tracing as it's extremely slow on current hardware so it's hard to say exactly what the benefits of hybrid rendering will be for gamers it really depends on how heavily future games implement that technology so there really isn't much to comment on right now what will tell us a great deal about how these new churring GPUs are going to perform are the core and clock specifications along with a few other tidbits the RT X 20 atti packs 4352 cuda cores that's a 21 percent increase over the GTX 1080 Ti and this along with the tensor and RT cause has seen the GPU die size increased by a massive 60% this in itself helps explain why this part is so damn expensive that and of course the complete lack of competition but we'll touch on that later in the video although these new GPUs are manufactured using TSM C's 12 nanometer FinFET Nvidia process it's basically just 16 animes with a larger reticle limit performance wise they are identical according to TSM C which explains the clock speeds speaking of which the 4352 cores are clocked at a base frequency of 1,350 mega Hertz with a boost clock of fifteen hundred and forty five megahertz which is comparable to the 1080 Ti I should know that the EFI models do come overclocked with a boost of 1635 megahertz but of course that's pretty much going to be the same on all the partner cards as well anyway so somewhat of a moot point then we have an 11 gigabyte frame buffer using 14 gigabits per second G DDR 6 memory on a 352 bit wide memory bus and that affords the card a memory bandwidth of 616 gigabytes per second the plain old r-tx 20 80 comes with 2944 CUDA cores a base clock speed of 1,550 megahertz and a boost clock of 1700 and 10 megahertz but again the EFI model is overclocked to this time to 1.8 gigahertz and used to the same for 10 gigabits per second G DDR 6 memory but on a slimmer 256-bit wide memory bus free bandwidth of 448 gigabytes per second oh and there's 8 gigabytes of memory in total then we have the RT X 2017 which packs 2304 CUDA cores a fourteen hundred and ten megahertz base clock and a boost clock of sixteen hundred and twenty megahertz or seventeen hundred and ten megahertz for the EFI model again eight gigabytes of 14 gigabits per second GDR six memory is used on a 256 wide memory bus for the same four hundred and forty eight gigabytes per second of memory bandwidth as noted earlier the 20 atti packs 10 gig arrays per second of ray-tracing performance and this figure has been reduced by 20% for the standard twenty eighty eight years per second and then the RT x 27 t packs six euros per second a 40 percent reduction from the flagship at this point we have no idea what this really means is six gig arrays per second even going to be useful suppose only time will tell personally I'm not particularly rapt with the design of the new EFI models I really liked the look of the GeForce 10 series EFI cards and middlee performance wasn't great but at least they did look nice this new version though looks world's better in terms of cooling performance but I think the design itself is a bit ugly but I am interested to see if my opinion changes on this matter once I have one in hand finally like the 1080 TI the 2080 TI is a 250 watt part then the vanilla 2080 is a 215 what part that's 35 Watts over the 1080 and then the 27 t comes in and 185 watts and again that's 35 watts over the Pascal equivalent so those are the key specifications for each model we can take a pretty good stab at how each GPU will perform in today's games the Turing streaming multiprocessors have been slightly refined featuring some of the upgrades that came with the Volta architecture such as dedicated integer cores unified cache and variable rate shading though it is hard to say what if any advantages will give chirring in today's games over pascal my guess is there will be pretty much no performance uplift to be seen given that video didn't show a single non rate racing demo so there's likely going to be zero IPC gains the demos that they did show were quite impressive for the most part but they weren't exactly flawless I did notice quite a few odd glitches when looking closely there are a number of artifacts to be seen and there is a bit of odd stuttering going on as well the performance it also appears to be rather massive the trimmer and a demo looked to have the framerate just about halved with r-tx enabled but that's just based on the footage we saw and of course there was no framerate data or anything like that provided so I'm purely guessing but still I'm Julius of just how useful this initial implementation of this technology is going to be assuming things remain much the same for today's games and those being released in the near future we aren't talking about big performance gains here at most I am I do mean at most here the arch x20 atti should be 20% fast in the GTX 1080i again at most but the cost well that'll be at least 40% more if we go by the MSRP however for at least this year the MSRP will likely mean nothing as your chances of getting a partner card for $1000 us are about as good it's probably winning the lotto to be honest looking online the cheapest partner cards as I've seen cost eleven hundred and fifty dollars us while most are priced closer to the $1200 us asking price of the founders Edition so this means you're looking at around a 70% price hike over the GTX tonight eti for what is almost certainly going to be less than a 20% performance boost so yeah that's just brutal to be honest this is the problem with pre-orders and videos taking them an entire month ahead of time so your average consumer is basically buying blind and I doubt many of them media will caution about that it's pretty much hypetrain full steam ahead and videos offered buyers very little information in regards to performance so it's a big risk at these prices again We strongly recommend your wait for our day 1 coverage so I predict that the RT X 2080 Ti is going to only be slightly faster than the GTX 1080i while costing a bloody truckload more and shockingly the situation with the 2080 is even worse right now the GeForce GTX 1080 models are readily available for about $450 us the RT X 2080 that carries an MSRP of $700 us so that makes it a little over 50% more expensive even worse right now most of the partner cards are listed for $800 us making it almost 80% more expensive and again we always expect that upon release the prices are going to be a bit inflated but even if we work off the MSRP s prices really aren't going to go below those anytime soon until we get right to the end of the product cycle or even after it so it's not looking good especially when you consider that in terms of performance we're looking at maybe or maybe I should say rather at most a 15% boost in performance and really it's probably likely to be less than that maybe 10% again I'm just guessing here but these figures make sense to me so in titles where rate racing isn't being used heavily or I suppose at all are you looking at a 10% performance uplift for almost an 80% hike in price and again I don't know I'm just guessing here but I don't think there's gonna be many titles that make good use of rate racing to justify that price premium you're probably just better off with a GTX 1080 and even worse I seriously doubt that the RT X 2080 can live with the GTX 1080i it's almost certainly going to be slow up while costing more so again I'd probably just buy a GTX 1080i at this point but of course wait for the reviews though it might be a bit risky cuz stock may have run out by then I know it's a bit we have a tough position for buyers here moving on to the RT X 2070 we're looking at gtx 1070 TI light performance for at least $500 us but given what we've seen with the 2080 models you can expect pay more like $600 u.s. at least for the first few months so that's a $150 u.s. price hike over the performance that we've had for about a year now of course we are in this position because Amy's failed to compete with their rx Vegas series Vega 56 and Vega 64 were great for mining but pretty hopeless for gaming Vega 64 in particular at this point and video really are just competing with themselves and frankly they don't even appear to be doing a great job of that with the GeForce 20 series I'd probably just snap up a gtx 1080 TI right now if i was in the market for a high-end graphics card and that's not something i think I've really ever said before when we have a new generation that's just been announced of course once the pascal supply runs out it's pretty much all over an nvidia can just charge whatever they like because let's be honest gamers will pay up i don't mean to sound overly negative i know we'll have upset a few nvidia fans or probably quite a lot of nvidia fans with sort of the negative tone of this video how impress unimpressed rather I've been with the specs and pricing but yeah I honestly I'm just unimpressed with the pricing given what I imagine the performance will look like I don't see how I could be wrong about this but I will be very very happy if I am proven wrong when it is time to start testing these new GPUs of course this is an hour of you so this is just speculation maybe an educated guess you could say but it doesn't really mean a whole lot until we get some hard data and that will come in a month's time when we first check out the GeForce 20 series cards and of course we'll go into a lot of depth there and find out just how much bang for your buck they do offer hopefully it's a lot more than I'm predicting here if so then it will be happy days in any case just don't pre-order it's not a smart idea for now ray-tracing looks to be more hype than anything and Nvidia are using this to hide the fact that they don't actually have anything new to sell at least just yet anyway the real performance gains will come when they move to the 700 meter process next year so I don't see the GeForce 20 series having a particularly long lifespan are certainly nothing like what we saw with Pascal nvidia simply isn't going to accept giving up the performance crown AMD and i expect that is exactly what they will be doing with the GeForce 20 series next year that is of course if they don't act and push out seven animated GPUs as soon as possible so the GeForce 20 series looks to be a bit of a money grab in my opinion a stopgap to seven nanometers if you will I think the plan is to cash in it now on the RT X hype and then deliver the real goods next year after all the RT X name change is designed to make you think that your Pascal GTX 1080i GTX 1080 and GTX 1070 are now heavily outdated so give gamers the opinion they've got to dump that GTX dinosaur and getting on the RT X action and I think this is why in videos pushing the RT X xx atti out the gate right away rather than waiting a year like they did with the GT X 1080 Ti and they simply aren't in a position where they can juice the series over a two-year period in fact in my opinion they don't even have an entire year so rather than milk it over a 24 month period and the plan is to ravish gamers wallets from day one on a more positive note the board partner models look very nice in particular I really like the MSI ah range which comprises of five different models so they've really gone all-in on this one at the Ventus I think that's how you say it is a very Fe like looking card with the dual fan configuration but I think it looks much better than it really is Fe model so maybe they should have got MSI to handle that one for them these stealthy Juke series gets an RGB light bar which looks quite good at least it's RGB and the gaming tray looks bigger and badder than ever and I of course mean badder in a good way I will be twisting the arm of my msi contact to get that model for testing so fingers crossed I can pull that one off without pulling his arm off but as always let me know which versions you'd like us to check out and we will do our best to make that happen anyway as I said this isn't a review just Steve's two cents so take that for what it is an opinion without any hard performance data and I think that's a pretty good place to end this video if you did enjoy it please hit the like button subscribe for more content and who appreciate the way with your hair unbox then consider supporting us on patreon thanks for watching I'm your host Steve and I'll see you next time