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welcome back to harbor unboxed now just a few days ago we did check out the core i7 87 ROK and found to be very mighty granted it is a little more than a 7700 k with two additional cause and some extra l3 cache but that's really all I was expecting from this release anyway well not radically different it's certainly still very fast and it does take things to the next level I'm certainly not saying it's an upgrade option for those currently using a 77 okay for example certainly not but it is a step forward in terms of performance that said it's also very expensive at three hundred and sixty dollars u.s. and right now by owning one on sale is extremely difficult so you may have a challenge getting one this year anyway since three hundred and sixty dollar CPUs are on everyone's radar I hit up the guys over at PC case gear and begged them to take my money in exchange for some coffee like core i3 CPUs ahead of the release they okayed it with Intel and I've got the CPUs the day before they went on sale so you can thank PC case gear for the timely review before we jump into the battery of benchmarks I've got lined up for you guys let's quickly talk specs currently priced at $180 u.s. the core i3 8350 K is almost a rebadged Core i5 7600 K they're both 14 nanometer quad cores operating around 4 gigahertz but where is the 7600 K cost 240 dollars the a 350 K is 25% cheaper and could possibly be a little bit faster thanks to a larger three megabyte level 3 cache so when compared to the core i5 7600 K consumers are essentially getting a little more for a little less with the 8350 k then we have the core i3 8100 frame much more appealing $120 us locked at 3.6 gigahertz it should be comparable to the core i5 7400 or 7500 it also has the same 6 megabyte level 3 cache but it's roughly 40% more affordable whereas the core i3 8350 K is priced to compete with the risin 5 1500 X the 8100 takes on the rise in 3-series the only disadvantage the lock daddy 100 part faces right now is the complete lack of budget motherboards Xen 370 boards currently one hundred and twenty dollars whereas be three fifty boards can be had for as little as sixty dollars I'm also interested to see how the a350 compares to the core i5 8400 the six core Core i5 is just $10 more I think I'd rather the two extra cores for such a small increase in price rather than the ability to overclock but as always let's look to the benchmarks since the core i3 8100 is a locked part you'll ideally want to feature it on a cheaper motherboard than the current said 370 boards for now though the options are limited and this means anyone buying an eighth generation Core processor will have to pair it with a Zed 370 board though the advantage of that means that you do have unlocked memory frequencies on the upcoming B 360 boards for example you will be limited to ddr4 2400 so I've decided to test the i3 8100 using both ddr4 2400 and 3200 memory here we see when using ddr4 2400 memory that the 8100 is limited to a memory bandwidth of twenty eight point six gigabytes per second increasing the memory speed to 3200 boosts the balance by 25% and this will no doubt a performance in a number of games and applications meanwhile the unlocked and higher clocked a 350 K was tested using ddr4 3200 memory and it managed thirty six point eight gigabytes per second of memory bandwidth moving on the Cinebench r15 we see the core i3 81 who is able to outpace the Rison three 1,300 and both these single and multi-threaded tests so based on that it's probably going to be a bit of a rough ride for the heavily cut-down Verizon series the 83 50 K based on its frequency should be around 10% fast nearly 100 but here we see it delivering an 18% advantage the only possible explanation being that the 33% increase in level 3 cache capacity helps in this test regardless though while it does smoke the Rison 5 1500 X's single thread score it was 16% slower for the multi-threaded test so based on this I expect the 83 50 K to punish the 1500 X in most of the games but it will trail in the productivity tests or at least most of the productivity tests I should note that the 83 50 K only just beats the core i5 7600 K while is 23% slower than the core i5 8400 before we get into the more serious real-world applications I should have a quick look at the PC mark 10 scores the 83 50k actually manages to outscore the core i5 8400 here while the 8100 beats the horizon 3 1,300 X as well as the r5 1,500 X the core i3 8100 was also 5% faster when using ddr4 3,200 memory opposed to the 2,400 stuff so not a huge margin but a small boost nonetheless moving on to the Excel Monte Carlo simulation we fight the core i3 8350 K is actually much slower than the risin 5 1,500 X 24 percent slower in fact it was also 9 percent slower than the 7600 K and 19 percent slower than the 8400 the core i3 8100 has much more like as it was 18% faster than the Rison 3 1300 X and 26% faster than the old core i3 7350 K it's also worth noting that here the faster ddr4 3,200 memory didn't actually offer the 8100 an advantage in this application next up we have the veracrypt results and here the risin 330 100x actually pulled ahead of the core i3 8100 albeit by a slim margin meanwhile the core i3 83 50k roughly matched the 7600 K but was much much slower than the core i5 8400 32 percent slower in fact that said it was also 40% slower than the horizon 5 1500 x so the 83 50k gets a bit host in this application jumping into the 7-zip data we see that again the 83 50k just can't live with the r5 1,500 X although this time it was only 4 percent slower for the compression workload but it was 25% slower for decompression the only 350 K also gets completely annihilated by Intel's own 8400 the Core i5 CPU was 35% faster the core i3 8100 looks much better and is able to tackle the rise and 3 lineup without much of an issue given that we have seen previously the risin 1500 X matching the core i5 7600 our premiere pro CC workload I knew the 83 50k would be pretty close that said though it is a little slower at trails the r5 1500 X by 7 percent margin meanwhile the i3 8100 does comfortably beat its nearest competitor the r3 1300 X by 10% margin so again the core i3 8100 looks quite impressive out of the box though the 350k isn't nearly as impressive and again it is much slower than the slightly more expensive 8400 25% slower in fact moving on to blender using the Verizon graphic 27 workload we see it the core i3 8100 easily beats the r3 1300 ex completing the task 11% faster meanwhile the AE 350 K was 5% sold in the risin v 1500 X and that margin will likely remain once both CPUs are overclocked and we'll look at that a little bit later on in the video it's also worth noting the core i5 8400 was 32% faster than the 83 50k Corona takes full advantage of SMT it seems and here the horizon 5 1500 X is almost able to match the core i5 8400 and as a result is almost 30% faster than the 83 50k good luck removing that margin when overclocking meanwhile the core i3 8100 was able to edge out the rise in 3 1300 X though I suspect with a little more tinkering the rise in CPU might be able to claim the lead here when testing with povery we see that the core i3 8350 km rise in 5 1500 X are again very evenly matched and I suspect that will remain true once both are overclocked to the max as well the 83 50k was 20% slower than the core i5 8400 and I doubt it can make up that margin through overclocking meanwhile the core i3 8100 beat the horizon 3 1300 X with ease and again there's no way that the AMD CPU will make up that margin it's roughly a 20 percent deficit through overclocking moving on to the gaming benchmarks with battlefield 1 please note all the testing here was conducted using Vegas 64 liquid-cooled since we're mostly focusing on direct x12 performance my upcoming Core i5 8400 review will again feature both the GTX 1080 and Vegas 64 graphics cards so hang tight for that starting with the core i3 8100 we see that the fast ddr4 3200 memory boost the average frame rate by 10% and that was enough to overtake the stock r5 1500 X even with ddr4 2400 memory the 8100 was still 8% fast on the rise in 3 1,300 X meanwhile the higher clocked a 350 K does very well maxing out the Vegas 64 liquid-cooled graphics card at 1080p using the ultra quality settings moving on we have ashes of the singularity escalation and this time the horizon 3 1300 X gets dominated by the core i3 8100 even with the slower ddr4 2400 memory the 8100 was 21% faster than the r3 1300 X then once we paired the 8100 with ddr4 3200 it was able to match the r5 1500 X the 8350 K streets further ahead and was able to match the heavy batch result of the horizon 516 hoe and rise in 7 1700 CPUs when testing with civilization 6 the core i3 8100 with it's faster ddr4 3,200 memory was 5% faster for the average frame rate and 9% for the minimum so while using ddr4 2,400 memory will limit the 8100 2003 1200 light performance faster memory does give it an edge at least when compared to rise ins out of the box performance the r3 1300 X was still slightly faster and not much slower than the ad 350 K in this game meanwhile the r5 1500 X was considerably faster than the 83 50k finally we have f1 2017 in here the core i3 81 her using the ddr4 2400 memory was 13 percent faster than arisin 3 1300 X in just 3 percent slower than the r5 1500 X increasing the memory speed allowed the 8100 to beat the r5 15 her ex by a very convincing 7% Marg and 33 50 K was a further 5% faster as it matched the 7600 K but that meant that it was still 9 percent slower than the core i5 8400 the power consumption figures are the coffee-like core i3 processors are quite good the 8100 for example is comparable to the Rison 3 1300 X while the 83 50k consumed a little more than the r5 1500 X placing it on par with the r5 1600 so not amazing results but certainly not bad either previously when testing with the core i7 8700 K I was able to get to an incredible 5.2 gigahertz using just one point 4 volts on the MSI god-like motherboard using the same motherboard to overclocked the 83 50k I was only able to reach 4.9 gigahertz and that did require 4.2 volts to stabilize the overclock despite trying various voltage settings I couldn't get the system to even booting the windows at 5 gigahertz without crashing it has been suggested that Intel may have cherry-picked the review sample chips and that's why most reviewers such as myself man to get to five gigahertz or better with a reasonably tame voltages I'm yet to get my hands on a retail 8700 K but when I do I'm keen to see how it goes anyway it was disappointing to fight the 80 350 K hit a wall at 4.9 gigahertz that has to be said that's still quite an impressive overclock this overclock did boost the Cinebench r15 multi-threaded score by 12% though that wasn't really enough to match the stock r5 1500 X in this test meanwhile though overclocked in the 1500 X did increase its score by a further 13% the overclocked a 350 k was able to close in on the overclocked Rison v 1500 X and the blender tests but ultimately still loses out even at 4.9 gigahertz the core i3 CPU also runs much hotter despite having a far better all-in-one liquid cooler strapped on finally here's a look at the power consumption figures once overclocked to 4.9 gigahertz and we can see at the a350 K is a fair old power because it sucks down as much juice as a 6-quart 80 700 K when compared to the risin 5 1500 X which push system consumption almost 20% higher once overclocked the 8350 K jumped on the gas pedal and sucked down 40% more juice needless to say efficiency goes right out the window when overclocking this chip and said though you're probably better off aiming for lower voltages it's a four point eight or maybe even four point seven gigahertz and this is the approach I took recently when overclocking intel's monstrous 16 and 18 core parts alright time for some price versus performance scatterplots I'm gonna be looking closely at the premier cronin f1 2017 results so let's get into it please note I'm using the core i3 80 100's ddr4 3200 data since you can only buy a Zed 370 board right now and this will make even more sense in a moment so here we are the premier price versus performance scatterplot and it looks all Intel here drawing a line from the core i3 8100 to the core i5 8400 we see that those two provide the best value beating the 1300 X 1500 X and 1600 processors quite easily however what happens if we factor in the motherboard price we now know that the cheaper said 370 board still cost 120 dollars us while a typical be 350 board will set you back $70 us though there are few models that are selling for as little as six dollars us but let's use $70 as our point of reference adding those two prices to the appropriate CPUs this is what you get well that certainly looks more competitive doesn't it here's the linear line as a reference point between the risin three 1300 X and r5 1600 as you can see the 1500 X also sits tightly on the line while the Intel Core i3 8100 and i-5 8400 and just on the wrong side making them slightly poorer value options once you factor in the price of the absolute cheapest ab 370 boards next up we have the corona results and here the risin 516 hundred and fifteen hundred x looks far more competitive when just factoring in the CPU cost again it's the core i3 8100 and i-5 8400 that looked the most impressive while the a350 K is almost often no-man's land in comparison throwing up our orange line we see that it is indeed very close between the AMD and Intel CPUs just mentioned but what if we factor in the price of entry-level motherboards doing that turns the scatterplot red at least where it counts and even the risin 7 1700 stacks up pretty well drawing a line from the horizon 3 1300 next to the r5 1600 also again intersects the 1500 X and we see that with the motherboard cost factored in Rison is a much better value proposition for these productivity workloads now this data here by no means represents all games but I feel like the results are pretty typical for that of a CPU intensive DirectX 11 title Rison is typically more competitive in modern DirectX 12 games as we saw with the results just shown but keeping that in mind let's see how f1 2017 pans out drawing a line from the core i3 8100 to the i-5 8400 we see that these two are the best value options in Intel sub $200 Coffee Lake line up and they are considerably better value in this game when compared to Verizon even with the motherboard pricing factored in until remains comfortably ahead and while Rises performance is respectable it's really not comparable to the core i3 8100 and Core i5 8400 in terms of value though once again the a350 K is pretty poor in this comparison though it's priced to performance is quite similar to the r3 1300 X now it's time to discuss a few thoughts and make a couple of recommendations I'm aware that in the previous scatter plots that we just looked at I didn't factor the price of a cooler for the core i3 8350 K into the equation and that will hurt it's already weak value even more I don't think we need to get into it too much more though the a350 K is pretty poor in terms of value even if you do consider it's overclocking capabilities and they're very least you do have to buy a $20 cooler as it doesn't come with one at all and you're not hitting 4.9 gigahertz on a budget cooler I was up around 90 degrees with the 240 millimeter all-in-one liquid cooler so expect around maybe 4.5 gigahertz with a basic air cooler that's only a 12 and a half percent bump over the stock frequency so you'll really be lucky to extract 10 percent more performance from that overclock at best it will match the core i5 8400 well costing more consuming more power and running much hotter so the core i3 83 50k really is a worthy successor to the 73 50k it don't suck equally but hey at least my Matt Greg over at science geo can finally upgrade his box cutter I'm sure a 4 core model will have him opening boxes faster than ever before the core i3 8100 on the other hand is a bit special at 120 dollars and it's almost arisin 3 killer I say almost because right now we're missing one key ingredient affordable motherboards it appears that Intel won't be releasing H 370 H 310 or B 360 motherboards till the first quarter of 2018 only is it then that we will receive sub $100 motherboards and the core i3 8100 can truly shine as a budget offering as good as it is sticking a $120 CPU on a 120 dollar motherboard doesn't really make that much sense rather right now I'd opt for a Rison 3 1200 slap it on a be 350 motherboard and overclock it to at least 3.0 gigahertz while crossing your fingers for 4 gigahertz the core i5 8400 though is a seriously tempting option and I'll cover that in a bit more detail in another video soon for now those after a budget set up for productivity tasks the Rison 3 and 5 series processors on a be 350 board a bed of and the way to go on my opinion there as fast or faster for the most part and they cost less if you're a gamer on a budget the core i3 8100 looks great it just needs to be complemented by some more or four little motherboards and well that's gonna do it for this one you guys enjoyed my second pass at coffee-like and stay tuned because the core i5s are coming up next I'm your host Steve see you again soon you