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welcome back to our our box today we have the Intel Core i5 9400 F on hand for some testing because so many of you have requested that I check out this CPU so we took some of our patreon money and well we bought one so I have it and I can give you some benchmarks a lot of you have requested that I can pair with the horizon 520 600 or 2600 X and since I just benchmark the 2600 X that that is the CPU I'll be using and yeah we're going to see how this compares to the Rison 520 600 X truth be told this isn't a particularly exciting processor at least it's not it's not really new it's a hundred megahertz faster than the core i5 8400 a CPU that we quite like and I've already tested fairly extensively on the channel there is one other change it's not a straight refresh with a slight factory overclock there is other there is one other reasonably significant change the Intel u HD graphics 630 has been disabled and therefore the 90 400 F has no form of integrated graphics just like the Rison 520 600 X for example this is meant to make the 90 400 F cheaper than the core i5 8400 though oddly Intel lists the MSRP as $182 us and that's the same MSRP as the 8400 so on paper the 90 400 F and 8400 should have the same retail price thankfully though for the 90 400 F that isn't the case at least currently anyway right now the 90 400 F can be had for 175 dollars u.s. or 290 dollars Australian meanwhile the core i5 8400 cost two hundred and fifteen dollars u.s. or three hundred and twenty dollars Aussie and this makes the newer 9400 F about 20 percent cheaper it also means it's cheaper than the Rison 520 600 X which is currently retailing for $190 us or 310 dollars Australian so the question so many of you guys have been asking me is which one should you buy well recently in a top five CPU video I said personally go with the horizon 5 2600 X as it comes with a much better box cooler can be overclocked and the a m4 platform offers a significantly better upgrade path I don't think that assessment was wrong but now that I have the core i5 9400 F on hand I thought why not run a few up-to-date benchmarks for this one the focus will be on gaming performance when it comes to applications you can just check out our day 1 coverage of the 2600 X we featured the core i5 8400 and that one and you can safely bet that the two and a half percent factory overclock isn't going to make the 90 400 F any more than 1 to 2 percent faster that said before the video is over I will take a slightly closer look at review --is-- type things you know like operating temperatures for the core i5 90 400 F using the Box cooler and we'll just see how it gets on the main event though will be of course the 18 game benchmark using the GeForce r-tx 20 82 at 1080p 1440p and 4k the 4k results should show GPU bound gaming and then this will simulate what you could expect to see with a lower end GPU at a lower resolution there is two test configurations for each CPU the core i5 90 400 F that'll be tested with this standard into a box cool off of both configurations on the gigabyte z 390 or ass Master the base configuration uses 16 gigabytes of ddr4 2666 CL 15 memory as this is what you'll be limited to on any motherboard that's not using a Zen 370 or Z 390 chipset then we have an overclocked configuration using ddr4 3400 memory of course you can't overclock the CPU cause but on these n series chipsets you can use faster memory then we have the horizon 520 600 X which has been tested on the gigabyte X 470 Oris gaming 7 Wi-Fi using the standard box cooler for the base test with 16 gigabytes of ddr4 3400 sell 15 memory now the reason I'm using faster memory for the base configuration for the Rison 520 600 X is quite simply because this CPU isn't limited to the kind of memory you can use apart from physical limitations of the integrated memory controller but if you spend 20 or 30 dollars more you can use ddr4 3400 memory and we strongly recommend you get faster memory for the horizon processor not worth saving 20 or 30 dollars if you're seeking maximum performance then we do have a second configuration which is overclock to 4.2 gigahertz on old cause and we've tightened the memory sub timings and installed the corsair hydro series h 115 iron finally all the benchmark data is fresh and was gathered within the same week for this video it's basically impossible for me to get all this testing done faster than that so it is what it is anyway I think it's time that I stop rambling on and we jump into the benchmarks starting things off we have Warhammer vermintide - and here we see at 1080p for maximum frame rates the 9400 f was 13% fast and the 2600 X when comparing base configurations overclocking the 2600 X pushed it ahead of the base 90 400 F for the 1% low figure but then pairing the Intel processor with faster memory was enough to get it back on path for the 1% low and a head for the average framerate similar margins were seen at 1440p and then quite interestingly at 4k the 2600 X was a fraction faster in fact quite a bit fast to an overclocked with finely tuned memory timings you'd expect the results here to be all identical as we are at least should be 100% GPU limited but that wasn't the case moving on we have Assassin's Creed Odyssey I wasn't expecting the Rison 5 processor to do particularly well here so for me at least the results are very surprising the faster memory didn't really help the 90 400 F while the overclocked boosted the 2600 ex's average framerate by 9% moving to 1440 P and here we are GPU limited and then of course much the same as seen at 4k moving on the core i5 90 400 F was a little more punchy and for tonight but overall the margins weren't that significant for example the fastest configurations were separated by amie 4% at 1080p naturally the margin was reduced even further at 1440p and then at 4k we had somewhat of a stalemate the 9400 F was a whisker faster an apex Legends nothing really worth getting too excited about though essentially you're looking at the exact same experience with either CPU if you're for some reason seeking big frame rates and Resident Evil 2 then it seems like the horizon 520 600 X is the CPU to get at least over the core i5 90 400 F anyway at 1080p and their base configuration is the 2600 X was eight percent faster and then six percent faster when tweaked for maximum performance that said these margins were effectively eliminated at 1440p and 4k so for the vast majority of you these CPUs will deliver the exact same experience in this title here's another example of where the 90 400 F was faster but generally only by a small margin when testing with just'cause for the Intel CPU was up to 8 percent fast when comparing similar configurations that said the 1% low results were much the same once again the margins were mostly eliminated at 1440p and then completely eliminated at 4k has to be said hitman 2 is a horrible title for AMD and while the 1% low performance was competitive the average frame rates did slip quite a bit has to be said this title is really bizarre when it comes to the relationship between the CPU and GPU though I'd say we are mostly CPU bound at 1080p and 1440p project cars 2 is another non AMD friendly title but overall the results here aren't that bad for the Rison 5 2600 in fact they're actually quite good again we are CPU limited at the Eternity P and 1440p resolutions while things mostly come together at 4k like so many of the games we've looked at so far the core i5 9400 if does pull slightly ahead at 1080p and rainbow 6 siege for the average frame rate but the 1% low figures are very similar there really is very little difference between these two CPUs at 1080p and then basically no difference at 1440p and 4k okay so the battlefield 5 results are really quite interesting for repeatability and accuracy we're using the single-player campaign here I've done multiplayer testing the past but it's really difficult to gather accurate data and since that testing the game has seen numerous patches that address performance anyway the single-player portion of the game mimics the slight issue we saw with the 9400 f in multiplayer so I suppose that's good the experience with the 9400 F certainly wasn't bad in fact for the most part it was very good but whereas the 2600 X was silky smooth at all times the six core Intel CPU did suffer the odd frame study here and there what's really surprising to me is the 4k data 9400 f with ddr4 2666 memory suffered big drops in performance and this was somewhat corrected with faster memory but even here the 2600 X did deliver a smoother experience World of Tanks has recently been updated to better support rise in CPUs and we see that the 2600 X does do quite well though only the base configuration did fall away at 1440p but still with over 100 FPS at all times the performance was very good performance in Metro X's was very competitive and here we're certainly not able to distinguish between these two processors this isn't the most CPU demanding game out there but it is good to see the 2600 X matching the 90 400 F in this modern title far cry new dawn is quite sensitive to memory latency and shooting up the rise and protests are really helped here the base configuration wasn't terrible but we did see up to a 15% performance boost from tweaking the memory and overclocking the cause even at 4k the 2600 X did struggled at the most of the r-tx 20 atti without those tweaks both CPUs delivered a similar experience and shut off the Tomb Raider and with ddr4 34-hundred both were able to max out the artex 20 atti at 1440p then of course at 4k we were entirely GPU bound using ddr4 2666 memory the 9400 f was a little jittery in monster hunter world though that issue was solved with the faster ddr4 3400 memory the 2600 x on the other hand had no issue though it was only test with ddr4 3400 memory as the cpu has no memory limitations on any of the mainstream B or X series chipsets but I suspect it's not really the memory that's helping out the rise and processor here but rather having 12 threads is probably beneficial then once we increase the resolution to 1440p the artex 20 atti became the main bottleneck and this was of course the case at 4k as well strange Brigade really isn't CPU intensive at all but it is a very well optimized title and allows us to test using the Vulcan API overall both CPUs performed very well and it allows us to get the most out of the r-tx 2082 I at all tested resolutions despite putting on a good show on battlefield 5 there isin 5 2600 isn't quite as nimble in Star Wars Battlefront and this is despite both games using the same frostbite game engine the 2600 x trailed the 9400 f8 1440p though once we applied our overclock the margins were minimal last up we have the division - and these are some very interesting results to finish up on using ddr4 2666 memory the core i5 9400 f maxed out at 120 fps and averaged with a 1% low of 86 FPS not exactly bad performance that but the faster ddr4 3400 memory did boost the average frame rate by almost 20% and that is quite significant this place the 90 400 F on par with the risin 520 600 X which was of course using ddr4 3400 memory for both configurations so this title is obviously very memory sensitive but it's also great to see a performing so well with the Rison processor by the time we hit 1440p we were GPU limited with the RT X 28 ECI and the same was also seen at 4k well given what we just saw there I think it's fair to say there is really no wrong option when it comes to picking either of these CPUs they have their own strengths and weaknesses the 90 400 F I'd say that's overall a little bit faster thanks to wider game support the Intel architecture has been more widely used and therefore it is better supported also enjoy slightly lower latency so that just gives it an edge there in quite a few titles but the 2600 X with its 12 threads did deliver a slightly smoother experience in the more demanding games so yeah as I said strengths and weaknesses for each CPU but before I get too far into it I think it's probably best that we have a look at the average performance across all 18 games with the advantage of faster ddr4 3400 memory wherever the 2600 X isn't artificially limited it was able to match the core i5 90 400 F using ddr4 2060 q6 memory and this is a memory speed that the Intel CPU is limited to on all but the Z series motherboards of course we can unleash the knife 400 F with ddr4 3400 memory honors n series board and this did offer up to a 5 percent performance boost on average while the one percent load performance was improved by six percent of course the gains were significant in some games and not that significant and others depending on a number of factors so 2600 X basically saw the same gains when overclocked and as you would expect those margins were reduced for both processes at 1440p and 4k because we are primarily GPU bound at these resolutions and therefore we don't see a much more than a frame or two difference so it's fair to say in terms of gaming performance they're both very similar and they are both very good gaming CPUs when it comes to application workloads though the 2600 X yeah it'll pretty well thrash the 90 400 F and if you require any evidence of that then you can check out our 2600 X review or anyone elses 2600 X reviews because while they won't include the 90 400 F they will have the 8400 the core i5 8400 and as I said earlier this CPU at best is a few percent we're talking very low single digit gains so yeah 100 megahertz faster than 8400 so daily 400s a good measuring stick there for how this thing will stack up to the 2600 X in applications and based on my own testing yeah as I said it gets pretty well destroyed by the 12 threaded arisin processor for rendering and encoding workloads the 2,600 actors anywhere from 30 to 50 percent faster and the core i5 processor still can't get ahead for editing tasks either as it doesn't enjoy a clock speed advantage for those wondering about operating temperatures using the Box coolers both CPUs ran at a little over 70 degrees with an ambient room temperature of just 21 degrees however where is the Wraith spire was whisper quiet and a blender stress test the Intel Vox cooler sounded like a jet engine therefore ideally you will want to spend at least another twenty dollars us on a decent box cooler to make the thing bearable and that takes the core i5 cost up to 195 dollars u.s. pricing it on par with the 2600 X so back to the original question which should you buy the core i5 9500 F or the Rison 520 600 X frankly I feel like you're probably going to be happy with either of them they're both solid options that have their own strengths and weaknesses personally though I would stick with my original pick which the risin 5:20 600x and there are numerous reasons for this firstly for games as we just saw they're quite evenly matched especially if you tuned up their eyes and processor the bass performance shown here for the core i5 9400 F can be achieved with $90 us memory the 2600 X on the other hand will require 110 to 120 dollar US memory in order to enable a frame rate shown here at least at 1080p so just keep that in mind it's not a big cost difference and truth be told if you had anything less than an RT X 27 T or Vegas 64 it really doesn't matter anyway as you'll more than likely be GPU limited for me it's really all about those 1% low results here the 2600 X was much more consistent but like I said for the most part you simply wouldn't know which processor you were using the 90 400 F or the 2600 X the average graph that we just looked at sums up pretty well for me for most of you the 1440p or 4k results will be representative of your gaming experience and that is to say that you will be mostly GPU bound they can of course be exceptions to this older titles a Starcraft 2 comes to mind for me that plays much better on Intel processors though I'm not sure that's true for this comparison it certainly is for the unlocked parts that can hit 5 gigahertz but the 90 400 F is limited to 4 point 1 gigahertz so that advantage may not apply here moving beyond games though it's pretty easy winner for the 2600 X any kind of serious productivity workload yeah it's going to destroy the 90 400 F that one's pretty cut-and-dry the other big win for the rise in processor at least in my opinion is the upgrade path you've got be 350 be 450 X 370 and X 470 motherboards there's a few other motherboards there that you probably don't want to buy but though the point is they will all support up comings into processes so if you do happen to have a nice B 450 board now with something like a 2600 X then you'll be able to slap on one of those upcoming rising three thousand processors later in the year or whenever you deem it necessary to execute your next upgrade on that note at this point I would suggest holding off on any CPU purchases till the Rison 3000 series arrives not too long to wait now finally yeah I think it's just well worth waiting the extra few months to see how things pan out there but if for whatever reason you can't wait because well for whatever reason then the 2600 X I think that's probably a pretty safe bet right now that's the smartest investment in my opinion for all the reasons I just mentioned and I think that is going to do it for this one if you did enjoy the video be sure to hit the like button subscribe for more content and if you appreciate the Bergeron box then consider supporting us on patreon you will gain access to the monthly live stream that to myself do you gain access to our discord chat and you can speak to Tim and myself there and just your small contribution each month really helps us out because it allows us to buy things like this so when you guys want to know how the core i5 9400 f compares to something like the rise in 2600 x we can buy one because 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