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welcome back to harbor boxed in this video we're taking the tried and true risin 5 1600 everyone's favorite mid-range desktop processor and pairing it against everyone's favorite mid-range desktop processor the core i5 8400 see.they boss from us if you likely a male between the age of 25 and 34 have almost but not quite $200 u.s. to spend on a CPU which one do you get rather than spend countless hours benchmarking an effort to terminal we know let's just turn to Amazon and let you guys sort it out for me Rison five sixteen hundred four and a half stars from almost four hundred reviews very nice stuff there surely that is gonna give it over the line right the core i5 8400 four and a half stars from almost 400 reviews hmm alright fine we'll do this the hard way okay so as usual before we get to those glorious blue bar graphs there are a few things worth mentioning the Rison v 1600 was released almost this time last year on April 11th at 220 dollars us and with six calls in 12 threads it was seriously impressive given that price tag last month though AMD did officially reduce the pricing of their entire rise in line up and this or the 1600 dropped down to a hundred and ninety dollars us the reason they've done this is because shortly the second-generation Rison processes will become available and many shoppers are now well aware of this fact so in an effort to drive sales of the first gen parts the discount campaign begun at this point though we recommend you wait a few weeks before making any cpu purchases and then reevaluate your options so that being said why bother with this comparison at all well for a few reasons most notably of which is the fact that these second generalising parts are incoming by establishing how AMD and Intel currently stack up with the latest Windows updates BIOS updates driver updates and new motherboards will have an up-to-date reference point for the new CPUs a big part of Verizon's appeal is the value aspect you can throw the rise in v 1600 on a relatively inexpensive motherboard overclock the snot out of it and you're away meanwhile the core i5 8400 up until about a week ago it was stuck on these ed 370 platform a platform that for the most part it can't utilize so the added price on the motherboard hurts its value now though we do have the h3 10 B 360 and H 370 boards and these helped us shave a little bit off the top so this changes the value aspect of the more affordable coffee-like CPUs and makes them somewhat more appealing to budget shoppers therefore for this test we're going to compare the arisin 5 1600 using ddr4 32 inner memory on the MSI be 350 M motor in its out-of-the-box configuration as well as a 4 gigahertz overclock using a basic tower style air cooler then the core i5 8400 has been tested on two motherboards one of which is the cheapest be 360 motherboard MSI makes the B 360 m at pro-v D on this budget be 360 board we're using ddr4 2666 memory and the Box cooler additionally the core i5 process has been tested on the MSI z3 70 PC Pro with ddr4 3200 memory and a basic tower style air cooler so I think that just about covers all the bases oh and before anyone asks no MCE wasn't enabled in any of the core i5 8400 tests mostly because you can't actually enable this feature on any of the locked Intel CPUs regardless of which 300 series motherboard using alright so kick starting off the blue bar graph parade is Sai soft sandra's memory balance test and here we're looking at the sustain to read write performance in gigabytes per second the core i5 8400 on the B 360 motherboard is limited to just under twenty seven gigabytes per second as the maximum memory support for this chipset is ddr4 2666 however using a z3 70 board with ddr4 3,200 memory that increased the throughput by 22% and it resulted in a bandwidth of thirty two point seven gigabytes per second so pretty impressive stuff but it did still place it behind that Rison five 1600 which was good for around 39 gigabytes per second again with ddr4 3,200 memory and this is with the rise in cebu both stock and overclocked before we get into the real world applications here's a look at the Cinebench r15 cause I know all you guys love a good Cinebench score and as always please note that these are not the absolute best scores these scores are based on an average of half a dozen back-to-back runs as expected what this shows us is that Intel enjoys greater single core performance or risings many threads thanks to the use of SMT gives it superior multi-threaded performance demonstrating the excellent multi-threaded performance of the horizon processor is the v-ray benchmark rather than spitting out a school like what Cinebench does what we're looking at here is the render time measured in seconds so lower is better here we sent the stock risin 5 1600 was 16% faster than the 8400 on the B 360 board and 13% faster than the 8400 on the said 370 board overclocking the 1600 improve performance by 16% and now the AMD CPU is at least 31 percent faster than the core i5 8400 when it comes to video editing the superior IPC of the Core i5 processor and the often higher clock speeds that are achieved when doing these lightly threaded editing tasks gives the Intel CPU an advantage Rison isn't exactly slow in comparison but it's not a slam-dunk case for AMD life what we've seen in the previous tests and we'll cover a bit more on editing performance when we get to the premier Pro results later in this video moving right along to the physics performance in games here we see that if a game is well designed to take advantage of risings many threads it could allow the r5 1600 to dominate the 8400 even when left stock of course this isn't the case in 99% of the games out there in fact even today ashes of the singularity is one of the few examples we have a well designed game that can take advantage of many cores before we get into the games though we have a few more productivity benchmarks to check out and here we can see how these CPUs compare and Corona AMD's Rison v 1600 enjoys a big win in this benchmark completing a render time 27% quicker than that of the core i5 8400 that margin grows to 30% once the sixteen hundred's overclocked and the 8400 is thrown on a zed 370 board so a great result here for AMD lower is better for the blended test as we're again measuring the time it takes to complete the render out-of-the-box the risin 5 1600 is superior beating the 8,400 by 6% margin even when it's using the higher speed memory on these at 370 board overclocking the Rison processor reduced the render time by 13% making it clearly superior in this test moving on to handbrake here the core i5 8400 was faster than the r5 1600 albeit by a small margin still we do see an 8 percent increase in performance when going from 9.3 frames per second to 10 frames per second however once we overclocked to 1600 performance is boosted by 14% and this is enough to edge out the 8400 even when it's paired with higher frequency memory on a z2 370 board encoding one of our 4k videos like the one you're watching right now premier saw both processors deliver very similar performance out of the box feeding the core i5 8400 more bandwidth reduced the encode time by 5% which isn't bad but we saw a 16% reduction in code time by overclocking Verizon this meant best case scenario for the Intel CPU still sees that 13% slower in this test however when it comes to editing as we noted earlier in this video when looking at the PC mark results the performance is a little more competitive generally speaking these editing tasks don't fully utilize the thread heavier isin processes and we certainly see that when using the warp stabiliser effect in premiere still with performance on both CPU is maximized we do get a very similar result now if you love Excel spreadsheets like Tim and myself then risings go to impress the complex Monte Carlo simulation completed 23% faster with horizon though admittedly it's rare that you'll do too many Excel jobs that take either of these C views more than a few seconds to complete then we have the 7-zip test in here these stock are 5 1600 was 15% faster than the 8400 when carrying out compression work but a massive 40% faster for decompression pairing the 8400 with high-speed memory only improves this performance in this test by about 2% meanwhile overclocking the horizon processor increased performance by a further eight to 15% giving it a significant advantage over the core i5 8400 in this workload before we move into the gaming benchmarks which I'm sure many of you guys have been hanging out to see here's a quick look at power consumption the MSI B 360 M Pro VD is very fuel efficient and it allows total system consumption of the core i5 8,400 system to drop under 100 watts for this heavy workload which is very impressive moving to the MSI's III 70 PC Pro with the fast ddr4 memory this did increase power draw by 24 percent and it did only reduce the render time by a mere 2% meanwhile the risin 5 1600 did consume quite a bit more power certainly was the more power-hungry CP of the 2 but keep in mind blender does utilize all 12 threads so a 65 percent jump from the stock 8400 isn't that bad given it does have 100 percent more threads when compared to the zip 370 configuration emerge and is significantly reduced as well for this comparison the rise in CPU was 32% more power-hungry so as I said in my initial B 360 coverage these stripped-down motherboards really helped to improve the performance per watt of the coffee-like CPUs overclocked the r5 1600 consumed a little over 70 percent more power than the 8400 on these Z 370 motherboard and that sounds like a lot and well it is however keep in mind this is total system consumption all 12 threads are under heavy load so the fact that the systems drawing just 200 watts from the wall isn't exactly that extreme now on to some games and as noted earlier this is one of the few modern tiles that does a good job of utilizing the rise and cpus it's not often you'll see results like these when looking at gaming performance and as AMD's luck would have it they just so happen to kick some serious silicon in one of the few games nobody really plays hence the name ashes of the benchmark here we see what's probably a more typical picture when comparing the horizon and coffee-like CPUs in games when we test with assassin's creed origins it's not a terrible picture but intel is up to 20 percent faster with a high end GPU at 1080p i'll discuss what this means later in the video for now though let's check out a few more games from day one battlefield 1 is a game that's played quite well with the rise in CPUs and we see that still the case although still slower than the core i5 8400 the margins small enough to deem them insignificant especially when looking at the all-important 1% low results far cry 5 is also very playable with the horizon 5 1600 despite the core i5 8400 delivering a superior performance overclock the r5 1600 does close the gap but it is still 7% slower than the 8400 on the B 360 board and that is for the 1% low result and 12% slower for the average frame rate I was expecting the Rison 5 1600 to stack up a bit better and over watch I have to say and while you can't say that over 160 FPS at all times is bad I was expecting the core i5 8400 to pull away for the average frame rate rather than the 1% low result in any case both provided extremely smooth performance with the GT X 1080 Ti finally we have Warhammer vermintide 2 and this recently released total does a good job of utilizing the horizon 5 1600 the horizon CPU was just 13% slower for the 1% low result and 4% slower for the average frame rate again both CPUs provided highly playable performance ok so we've had a pretty good look at application and gaming performance as expected Intel's faster in games for the most part while AMD is faster for most of the heavy workloads especially the ones that we tested and that being a situation this is how I look at it even with a gtx 1080 TI adjust 1080p there's really no telling which cpu you're using when gaming both are exceptionally smooth and able high frame rates certainly high enough for your average gamer when it comes to things like extracting a compressed archive you're absolutely going to notice a 60% reduction in time there even blend away the overclocked rise in 5 1600 shaved off just 20% from the completion time basically that means for a job that takes the Intel CPU an hour in 6 minutes you're looking at around 53 minutes with the rise and CPU giving you a 30-minute head start to move on to the next job and over the course of a day that really does add up of course the time saving could be even larger than that we saw rise and shave 30% off Intel's render time and Corona naturally though it could also be less than that we did see just a 16% reduction with Premiere Pro and then virtually nothing with handbrake though that particular breakeven situation appeared to be sort of a worse case scenario for AMD we also saw an overclock Tizen only matched the warp stabilization performance of the core i5 8400 and premiere still what this shows is that for heavy workloads the Rison v 1600 is king and it's worth keeping in mind this is something that everyone will benefit from regardless of their hardware configuration meanwhile to enjoy the core i5 superior gaming performance you really need an extreme graphics card with the gtx 1070 or less the difference won't really be seen on the framerate counter of course there is the little matter of which cpu will offer the best experience in two or three years time and while let's be honest that's really anyone's guess I wouldn't dare waste your time speculating about such a thing what I will do though is break down the pricing and work out which platform offers you the most bang for your buck starting with memory prices the difference between ddr4 2666 and ddr4 3200 really is negligible at this point most of the time you're not really paying a premium for the higher clock stuff then B 360 and be 350 motherboards of similar quality cost around the same amount I'd expect to pay around $80 for a quality board then with both CPUs costing around the same amount buyers are looking at spending around four hundred and thirty dollars u.s. for either combo of 16 gigabytes of ddr4 memory if you want to pair the core i5 8400 with a z3 70 board which I think I would recommend doing at this point then it's going to cost around $40 more making Intel's platform about 9% more expensive the reason I wouldn't bother with the B 360 or H 370 boards in my opinion anyway just comes down to our lack of features and of course they don't support overclocking although you can't actually overclock the core i5 8400 honors ed 370 board it does give you more options in the future if you want to upgrade to an unlocked processor and it'll also fetch a better price on the second-hand market anyway if you happen to disagree with me that's fine and what it means is that the 8400 can be snapped up with motherboard memory for about the same price as the horizon 5 1600 on a be 350 board so pricing has been somewhat neutralized this leaves AMD and Intel a bit of a stalemate to be honest they both have this strengths and weaknesses of course but overall they are very evenly matched and while you'll no doubt see a fair bit of combat in the comment section below let's be honest I really can't imagine you'd be anything but impressed with either solution that said you guys are going to want to hear which one I would peak and if I was forced to pick which I suppose I would be if I was buying one of them I'd probably still purchased the Rison 560 100 for the simple fact that I do spend more time working on my PC than playing it's a sad fact but it's also true I also like the idea that Amy's promising future compatibility with new rise and CPUs Intel the other hand will likely ditch their current mainstream platform after the next processor release still as I said earlier no this probably matters right now as I would actually hold off and buy either a riser or coffee like CPU till the second generation horizon series arrives later this month at which point you'll then have access to what will probably be slightly faster rising CPUs and then existing rising cpus like the r5 1600 that we're talking about should become even cheaper anyway what today's video has shown us is that if AMD can indeed find another 10% performance with these second gen rise and CPUs then they're going to be in great shape and that is going to do it for this video I hope you enjoyed the arisin five 1600 versus Core i5 8400 comparison it's an 8400 thanks for watching I'm your host Dave I'll see you next time