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welcome back to harbor unbox today's video topic is a frustrating one for a few reasons I'm not really even sure where to begin really I suppose we'll start with yesterday's video which was covering these m390 motherboards and Intel's nitrogen processors so they were announced officially by Intel today or the wee hours of the morning for me it was 3:00 a.m. when our video went live and just before that Intel started a live stream where they announced that insane unlocked 28 core workstation as the UM processor the start like X refreshed parts and we got some pricing and a bit more information so Tim and I did plan to do an updated video today talking about the pricing information and if you are the tidbits that did make the follow-up video worthwhile in this video though rather than discuss pricing information of the sky like X parts and the ninth gen processes a lot sort of stuff and of course the insane the Xeon workstation processor we have a much more serious issue to deal with as many of you will know by now reviewers are currently under embargo until the 19th of October and therefore can't release their ninth gen core series testing until that date and we were very frustrated by that because means we couldn't test these motherboards properly with the 900 K so therefore we opted not to do any testing at all until we can show you guys proper results we technically aren't bound by the NDA as we didn't sign the NDA to get our sample we got our sample NDA free but for various reasons we are going to wait till all the other reviews go live just out of respect for other reviewers as we can certainly understand appreciate the days upon days of work they have sunk into their day 1 content so we will keep it fair and launch at the same time than ever else does that being said when the PC games end website published early Koro 9 1900 k results today I was a little surprised the title read Intel's Core Oh 9 1950 percent faster than aim DS Rison 720 700 X in games salad bogus to me but I read on anyway they went on to say intel has now officially announced its new core oh nine nine hundred k processor proclaiming it as the world's best gaming processor it's not just some marketing bluster either well not entirely intel has commissioned principal technologies to do a benchmarking sesh on its newest ninth gems and their competition across 19 of the most popular PC games it's complete garbage then talking unpublished their own testing done suspiciously through a third-party ten days before reviews more reviewers are prohibited from refuting the claims due to the NDA scrolling down PC games ends says the following when looking over Intel's commissioned benchmarks but the real point of all of this for Intel is to be able to hold the nine under okay as hands-down the best gaming processor compared with the AMD competition and in that it seems to have excelled on some games such as sieve six and pub G the performance Delta isn't necessarily that great but for the most part you're looking at between thirty and fifty percent higher frame rates from the ninety nine hundred K versus the twenty seven hundred X right away many of the results looked very very suspect to me having spent countless hours benchmarking both the 2700 X and the 87 or okay I have a good idea of how they compare in a wide range of titles and these results looked very off to me having spotted a few dodgy looking results my next thought was why is PC games in publishing this misleading data and why aren't they tearing this obviously paid report because they're very transparent that this is a paid report commissioned by Intel why are they tearing it to shreds do they simply not know any better I'm a bit worried or wondering if we might see other websites covering this report perhaps paid to cover it and I'm not accusing or saying that PC games and were paid by Intel doesn't look great and I suppose the very least it is very shoddy journalism over at the principal technologies website you can find the full report which states how they tested and the hard way they're used official memory speeds were used which isn't a particularly big deal though they have gone out of their way to handy Rison or the very least exposed some of its weaknesses though I would say unfairly so Rison doesn't perform that well with fully populated memory dims especially dual rank dims to single ranked modules is far more optimal however timings are also very important and there used vengeance memory without loading the extreme memory profile or XMP setting instead they just set the memory frequency to 29 33 and left the ridiculously loose default memory timings in place these really loose timings are there to ensure compatibility with systems so they'll actually boot up and after which point you can enter the boss and enable the proper memory profile it's extremely misleading to conduct benchmarks without executing this crucial step still it would almost be fair enough if they did the same for Intel but of course they didn't brawl Intel platforms they first set the memory to XMP and then adjusted the frequency manually handing Intel a significant performance advantage particularly in games the next step in their manipulation of the results was to only test that 1080p with a gtx 1080i using almost medium quality settings there are at least one step down from ultra sometimes two steps down from that yeah that maximum quality preset in many cases this simulates the kind of performance we see when testing at 720p using ultra quality presets of course we also test at 1080p and 1440p as well to give viewers the full picture one of the worst results picked by PC games in was ashes of the singularity let's just ignore the 90 100 K for this video because I can't refute those results I can't show you real 900k results but we don't need to because we can show you the delta between the 8700 K and 2700 X in these results the 87 and Rho K was 29% faster than the 2,700 X and that's a much bigger margin than I would expect to find principled technologies are using the built-in benchmark the CPU focused benchmark with the game running in the DirectX 12 mode with the higher quality preset which is essentially a medium type visual quality setting for this game so I installed two Corsair Vengeance Pro ddr4 3200 modules loaded the XMP profile and both the AMD platforms and ran the test using the exact same settings I also rerun the tests with the XMP timings enabled but with the official memory speeds for each CPU I'm only going to expose three of the game results I didn't really feel the need to spend days on this testing a couple of hours was enough to make the point at least I believe it was anyway so first up here are the results for ashes of the singularity and let's talk about them compared to the paid results produced by Principal technologies using the stock memory my 2700 X was 18% faster that's a pretty shocking result already the 8700 K though that was 4% slower and that meant compared to the 2,700 X it was just 4% faster and up to 9% faster with the higher clocked memory that however is nothing like the 29% performance advantage Intel enjoyed in the paid testing next I looked at Far Cry 5 and here the change wasn't quite as extreme for the 2,700 X it was just 3% faster in my tests and 10% faster with the 3,200 memory spec however again the 87 RK was slower 7% slower with the 2666 memory that principal technology is used even with 3200 memory I couldn't match their result this means while they claimed the 8700 K is 26% faster and far cry 5 in reality it's more like 14% or 12% with 3200 memory still a clear win for Intel but it's not nearly as extreme as the principal technologies benchmarks would lead you to believe the last the results that I looked into were for Assassin's Creed origins and again they used the built-in benchmark with the third highest quality preset at an EP with the gtx 980ti here the 8700 k was 36 percent faster according to principal technologies when in reality it's more like 8 percent with the stock memory speeds and 10 percent with overclocked memory so it's quite obvious that the principal technology results are a load of rubbish and no tech channel or website should be publishing them unless of course the intention is to expose them for the garbage that they are I have no problem with that of course the focus here for Intel is to highlight how great the coronoid 1900 K is and unfortunately right now I can't show you any real results for all that CPU needs will say though it won't be 50% faster than the 2,700 X at least ten games actually won't be full stop that certainly won't be in games the 90 100k will be faster than 27-hundred for gaming there's no doubt about that but it's also going to cost probably twice as much once you factor in the cost of a motherboard we'll cover all that in our day 1 review but in terms of price versus performance it's not like the 1900 K is going to stomp the 2700 n to the ground quite the opposite I suspect on average we found when using the tuned memory for both the 2700 X and 87 ok in a previous big benchmark video we did comparing the two CPUs we found an average that the Intel CPU was 9% faster at 1080p using a GTX today ETI and that's 1080p using ultra quality settings at least for the most part I realistically we don't expect the no-doubter okay to be more than a few percent faster overall when compared to the 8700 K at least in games because right now games aren't maxing out the 6 core 12 thread CPU I don't have too much of an issue with Intel commissioning the report itself and they've done this plenty of times in the past with principal technologies so they're quite well known for doing white papers and benchmarking almost exclusively for Intel mind you but at least they've been very transparent with the testing that they've done in the report states how they tested their games how they configured the hardware and all that sort of stuff so at least there's that doesn't necessarily make any of the testing they did good or valid because it's very misleading and heavily biased but at least they haven't attempted to hide their dodgy methods because as I said you can dig into the specs and see all the details still very dodgy of course and it is a paid report so I guess it's somewhat to be expected what I'm really really not a fan of is this report going public before the release it's basically propaganda that can be used to boost preorder sales it also undermines the testing that will be done by reviewers testing that you won't be able to see for another 10 days I'm also really not a fan of websites such as PC games and regurgitating the data in this report not properly cautioning their readers I really don't feel like there's a need to regurgitate or show this information at all unless you're refuting it and showing it to be the garbage that it is in their defense they did note that the performance difference will be a far less noticeable at 1440p and yet while that is true it still doesn't change the fact the results shown aren't even accurate to begin with so while the margins will close up at 1440p they would close up significantly more if they were accurate to begin with the misleading benchmarks from video regarding their GeForce 20 series launch that was pretty bad this though is just on a completely different level a much worse level and I seriously hope we don't see these results published anywhere else with the intention of promoting the 19-hundred can either upcoming Intel processor there will be more content on this subject from our good friends over at gamers Nexus so believe me you're not gonna want to miss that one Steve has some pretty pretty good stuff lined up so keep an eye out for that on their Channel there'll be a few special content pieces soon also it goes without saying please wait for our independent 1900 k review and the reviews of other trusted media outlets such as gamers Nexus my good mate Paul from Paul's hardware and there's plenty of other guys too many to list but there's loads of guys that I respect in this industry that will be doing a very honest reviews of the 9 hour okay and all the other Intel processors that will be released and I'm certain that the data will not reflect what you've seen from Intel's paid report also tomorrow Tim we'll be following up with our thoughts on the new unlocked xeon workstation cpus along with the skylake x refresh so be sure to keep an eye out for that content that is planned at this stage unless anything else crazy happens that we may have to report on straight away but that's the content we have planned for tomorrow in the meantime if you did enjoy this video please hit the like button subscribe for more content and if you appreciate the work we do hire box then consider supporting us on patreon I was keeping our patreon members up to date with my testing for this video showing the results as they were coming in and we were discussing it all there so yeah a lot of interesting stuff was just just anyway thank you for watching I'm your host Steve and I'll see you again next time