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again take two okay the next question question alright welcome back to harbor unboxed today is our monthly Q&A that Tim and I do now once a month we did it last month we're doing it this month so it's now a monthly Q&A we will be doing it from Tim studio so not my place we're still setting up Tim she oh there might be a little bit of echo with the audio but hopefully it's not too bad so anyway we've asked questions on Twitter on the community section on YouTube we've asked our patrons got a couple of good questions that we're going to address so let's get to it all right so the first question comes from a discord chat that you get through our patreon subscriptions I guess from user revel devil mm they asked do you guys have any ideas or things you think might happen to seperate the graphics card market from miners to make everyone happy Heidi Steve I thought about this a bit I don't really have any great answer that will probably solve the problem and I think anyone does I think they would have to make it first that if they want to I suppose stop minors from using gaming graphics cards and then come out some other solution you'd have to have the drivers detect mining and then if the mining performance of the cars they don't want to mine yeah which would be pretty difficult I think to prevent people from you know flashing the biases and all that sort of thing but really if they could prevent people from using gaming cards for mining that allow gamers to actually buy cards and use them for games which is what everyone wants yeah that's right so the there's the hacking of the driver there but all the firmware they don't have to make it so the firmware is get certified by the driver so there's like multiple levels of security there so just if anything it becomes less of a deterrent like it's a lot of effort to hack a gaming card to mine on and I suppose my solution which probably isn't a great solution for miners I'm thinking thinking more out for the gameís yes I don't know how keen nvidia and AMD will be to actually shaft miners i can't imagine that's true high on their to-do list they may want to present that way to the gaming market but i'd say they're pretty happy with - buying their frights but what option would be to make accelerator type cards for mining it may be better for mining more durable a design to run 24/7 under heavy load and probably don't have either any display connectors or just one because you don't need that for mining obviously the disadvantage there is for the miners is they're buying a card that is obviously going to be used for mining and doesn't have a resale value for gamers so if the mining bubble does eventually burst or whatever you can't just offload them and the great thing for gamers there would be they know if they're buying a card and it's been absolutely flogged mine or if it's been used for gaming yeah I think that the resurvey is a big thing this sort of dictates all of those accelerated cards being less popular for miners oh my god yeah so I think well I personally do is have a card like a regular consumer card that is gaming only and uses some of those BIOS protections that was just talking about but then also have a card that is unlocked for mining and gaming so that you know miner once the mining market crashed or something could still resell these cards to game as if they want so there's still resale value there but then gamers have the ability to buy the gaming only cards when no there's this big influx of miners you know they'll be availability of those cards and something like that I think could work really well have that jewel system I think that's probably a more realistic option to what I proposed yeah I think I think that's something they could definitely do and would make sense okay the next question it comes from a Radeon subreddit do you have high hopes for rise in mobile or do you think the competition from Nvidia or Intel is too much and I'm gonna hand that one over to Tim because that's very much up your alley yes I from all the testing I've been doing on rising mobile I think it's really good like it's a really good ship the problem comes when AMD sells a lot of these 215 inch systems or OMS decide to put them in 50 inch notebooks because that's where we get the Intel CPUs being paired with something like an nvidia MX 150 which is a really popular sort of GT 1030 type discrete GPU so when you get that combo you know Intel Nvidia you know against a performance we'd those start to be really attractive and you know the Verizon APU by itself it struggles a little bit to compete there as well whereas row I think it's going to be really good and I have really high hopes for its in the 13-inch notebooks because in those notebooks there's not as much space we don't see discrete GPUs in there as often and Raisa Mobile is so far ahead of Intel's integrated graphics that it really makes it it's a night and day difference for things like gaming on something hopefully on something like the horizon 720 700 use so once we start getting those into those really thin and light 13-inch ultra portables where you can't buy discreet GPUs that's where I think rise and low bar will be really awesome and will compete really strongly in fact you almost obliterate until I would think in that sort of market ok the next question is from the community section on YouTube and it's been asked by a boss brown-sugar how much risk am I taking by not downloading the Intel kernel security update well that's a good question many people are asking that one have you only thoughts on that oh well I think you know the vulnerability is out in the wild now it's known how to exploit it at least in some way we're not security experts or anything so it seems like it's fairly difficult to exploit but you know as soon as though that stuff's out in the wild you know people are going to be using this you know you might find yourself you know going somewhere you don't expect or something and they're keylogging your passwords or your credit card info so there's always a risk from keeping that sort of thing unpatched what do you reckon well I pretty much agree with everything you said that we're not security experts but what we do know is that it's now a known vulnerability and the risk of that it's hard to say at this point but as Tim says people will get better and exploiting that vulnerability down the track it's yeah not something you want to have on your system it's hard enough to keep things secure as it is without having known vulnerabilities yeah exactly can you know password snooping and all the things they can potentially do with this so depends on what risk you want to take it personally I would want to patch it up to as being as secure as possible alright so the next question comes from Twitter from sand person interesting username there is console gaming a better experience per dollar right now so I guess this is coming from you know a person willing to build a PC but you know it's running into all the problems with GPU availability Ram pricing all that sort of thing like funny stuff yeah it's an interesting thing to think about because a lot of the time what you want to use a PC for is not necessarily what you want to use a console for it's a very different experience but you know if you just want to get out there and play games the latest triple-a titles or whatever and you think you're burning a mid range system just for games you might in some cases be better suited to one of the more powerful you know consoles like Xbox 1x ps4 Pro they can do a lot of good quality gaming on that from your couch but at the same time you know if you wanted to desk and you know do that sort of PC like stuff you're not going to get that from a console so yeah it's a really interesting position to be in at the moment what do you reckon yeah well I have pretty much the same take on it really I'm not anti console by any means I make a couple of console jokes oh I avenge my videos now and then for me it's just a totally different thing like I've played consoles with friends and it's a really fun great experience but it's not the type of gaming I prefer to do most of the time yeah so like my keyboard and mouse I like playing real-time strategy games so if I want to play a car racing game or something like that then consoles great fun or just casual gaming but yeah it's almost like two different sports I find consoles and PCs I don't know why there's always this big clash between them because they're just so different like yeah you either want that experience or that one or a bit of both so yeah as you said at the start if you were thinking of buying a budget PC and then you're like shows get a console it's like well you were kind of looking at doing something different to that so it depends on what experience you want my suppose yeah okay next question is from Jason on Twitter will you ever have more budget orientated video or I suppose do budget orientated videos on anything CPUs dear users laptops well we do pretty much every budget CPU and GPU our cover at length like we did a lot of stuff on the G 45 6000 guys just taught me to get sick of that but it was a great buy horizon 3 we covered extensively and then even I did a 20 plus game comparison the rx 550 and GT 1030 so I've done lots of budget stuff we are very heavily focused on value and hardware unbox it's not just about 1080 is by those you know we try to work out what is the best bang for your buck and trying to cover all scenarios and look at it from many different angles and by our perspectives I think budget monitors would be cool and even gaming like yeah it's definitely something that I've been looking into is getting more of the budget stuff as well as getting some of the stuff from the Korean brands of people always talking about you really interesting you review those the problem with a lot of review samples for displays you know laptops smartphones whatever is that companies are a lot more willing in those markets to push their high-end products so it's a lot harder to get your hands on the budget stuff and you know we can ask for them and you know but they're always trying to push their latest and greatest you know $900 monitor or whatever so yeah it's something we're definitely looking into definitely this year I'm hoping to get in a lot more of the budget stuff because that's what you guys are more interested in I just can be a little bit difficult working out with the companies to try and get that stuff in alright so the next question comes from Twitter again this is from a user net I'm definitely going to be butchering here apologies that shravan Parthasarathy that's a good as I guess I'm gonna get for that one some thoughts on buying FX chips right now stay what do you reckon on the FX chips I assume they mean AMD FX Oh yeah we've touched on this affair in the channel whatever I bashed these are upset FX artists so I am sorry but it is also my opinion they're rubbish chips and you should have never bought them sorry they were just never good they really were every button they're definitely not good today if you have a bought a Sandy Bridge 2500 okay or 2600 okay you can still be using that today very power efficient excellent gaming performance and also good at other things as well like productivity workloads whereas the FX chip is just really power-hungry useless at gaming modern core i3 is G 45 60 you know gives the well for module 8 core FX chips are real run for their money basically putting into like car terms an FX chips got like the power of a Volkswagen Polo actually they're pretty zippy maybe that's maybe that's you yeah and it's got the fuel consumption of like a GDR with a whole a fuel tank looks like that's no they know you know they've got no performance and they're just so power-hungry it's insane okay the next question again comes from Twitter and this one is Albert cos Aras hopefully I got that right sorry if I didn't how big of an impact do you think Volta is going to have on consumer grade GPUs I suppose we should probably just answer this by saying we have no idea about Volta we don't know any more than pretty much you guys reading the news stories and whatever rumors or things get leaked out so I don't know what to expect in terms of performance I don't know what how and video are gonna go about it they're pretty much is competing with themselves at this point so we'll have to wait and see basically we're may would you say if they're gonna release something yeah this being rumors that they're gonna know something at GTCC in my okay but they're rumors so you know you're never really sure yeah I think it's just you know it's the same as all the previous Nvidia launches really they come out there competing largely with themselves at the high-end Kazaam but is more in the mid-range and they just released new graphics cards that are fairly priced considering their monopoly on the high ends they've got you know more performance low consumption you can get more performance for your dollar that sort of been what Envy is doing I think we're going to see exactly the same thing with voltar to be honest yeah well it has to be attractive to the consumers to buy otherwise they're not going to buy it and they want to see strong sales and yeah I mean the way it works for us is we might hear some rumors and things like that that we can kind of confirm order but I mean really nothing concrete and then it's usually like two or three weeks before release and video ill say we've got a priority we're sending it out signed the NDA we sign that and that's non-disclosure agreement so we can't say anything else based on the information they give us and then the car will arrive we usually get the review guide about the same time that tells us pretty much everything we need to relay that information to you guys we do all the benchmark all the testing and sometimes we don't even know the price that they're gonna set to doing this till like the day before sometimes like it's an insane or short period of time that we get to then write a conclusion it's very difficult video because for the written stuff I can do everything and leave my conclusion and sort of guess where I think it's going to be priced and make a few notes based on that and then when you get the price finish it up but for video you can't even film it till you have the price because it changes so much that's right so you can't really fill the conclusion go so we've got to the point where now is it good or not I don't know we read the comments below when I get the price so you've just gotta wait in film at last minute okay luck in me one the top uploaded comment on the community section of our youtube channel and the question was what was your job before YouTube so sounds like a lot of our viewers are interested in what we did before YouTube well I think I've said this before on the channel but I'll quickly cover it started YouTube just over a year ago now before that I did text spot for 10 years or something and I started my own tech site before that so and then before that after Coles packing shelves for about a year and a half and that was during school so yeah during school got a part-time job then started my own tech site then got a job at tech spot and now the YouTube channel yeah it's pretty similar for me to be honest pretty similar I'm a bit younger than you Steve so not much time to be working at XY but I've been working at export for about five years and then before that I was working at the Microsoft site new in back in the day course often use and then that was when I was in school that was sort of my part-time job in school just kind of kono so you just skip Kohl's dude you skipped all the cold stuff someone makes a good choice while I was right enough all my tech stuff cuz I was always really into that sort of thing so yeah yeah it's just been doing this for a while now and you know see that was at uni before got my master of engineering but not gonna use that cuz this is a really good job for you won't have to use it alright the next question is also from YouTube from the user mass destroyer will we ever see a behind-the-scenes video or how a hardware unbox video is made I answer that is yes on our patreon page if you support us through the appropriate tier we provide behind the scenes videos we've got one of those coming up you'll give us sort of two of your stereo a little bit we're gonna have plenty more of those videos coming we will be doing some stuff on how these videos are made so yeah some big benchmarks that should be really good yes yes I go sign up to patreon today alright another question from YouTube this time from atashi you see her I've read in butcher that one too badly can you use aim D overdrive to undeveloped the Rison 2500 you like until x2 Intel chips I get this question a lot in summer video sunrise my were about either underclocking or overclocking rising and as far as I'm aware you can't aim the overdrive is not a feature that's including the drivers for rising mobile you can't go into that section of Radeon software anything at the moment just looking around as well looks like no one else has been able to overclock what underclock these chips obviously they're very rare in the market so it's not a lot of testing that can be done but as far as aimed your overdrive support for overclocking or underclocking it's just doesn't exist at the moment alright next question is from YouTube and it has been asked by dabs gaming what's the longest you've spent benchmarking in a single run like total hours spent in a row benchmarking huh you're the benchmark master what's your record here I don't know when they go that long I don't even want to know up they'd be plenty that were at least 16 hours for sure just in the last few months I would have done plenty of those I try to split them up like do a bit of benchmarking a bit of something else and have a few videos on the go but sometimes you just go like well I suppose the recent one would have been the security stuff the make sure there was I remember I drove to one of the local computer stores which is about half an hour or an hour from my place grabbed the seuss motherboard the Zen 370 board got home tested all of did a fresh install windows install all the applications and games and that probably just test that was four or so hours roughly I don't know I didn't really pay attention then I applied the meltdown update redid all of that so at least another four hours then applied the BIOS update so again another four hours and then look to all the data I'd gathered and there was a few weird things like you get so then you go recheck those and then sometimes that means uninstalling updates or rolling back I think I rolled back the boss then updated it rolled it back two times updated half-a-dozen times and that was that would have been well over 16 hours of straight testing and then I've got the video out a day or so later and then Verizon was another big one rise and seven I think I didn't sleep for two or three days on that one my party I had to go that it couldn't get it working and it turned out it's all biased issues all right the final question for our Q&A video for January comes from Adrian gaming on YouTube they asked would you take a chance on an obscure motor company eg via tech for a product that's a great price and on paper has great specs so the bottom line is yeah you in some cases you really should be looking at those products because the panel's themselves are not made by the you know L cheaper companies they're all known brands that produce them for all sorts of companies like a optronics samsung sharp a lot of these companies produce them for all the brands so a lot of those el cheapo monitors have you know the exact same panel is a more expensive ones just trying to find the good quality panels for a lower price but the same time you can run into a number of issues with the cheaper brands things like warranty and support can be non-existent so if you're really wondering about your warranty and being able to send your monitor back mmm those are things you probably won't get as well from those cheaper brands you know things like build quality calibration around the box you probably won't get so and the on screen display can be dodgey and those sort of things so if you're after just the panel you will tend to get that from the cheaper brands but all those other things you'll probably end up sacrificing yes the power supplies in the monitor and things like that yeah yeah yeah so it definitely comes down to probably the big one as you say is warranty I think yeah who talked about this the other day and I was saying it really comes down to how much you are saving yeah exactly if it's a massive saving Shaun and you know when I was looking at TVs I was like the Samsung TV was two thousand dollars for example and the same panel you know cheaper brand was like a thousand dollars and it looked very much the same so it's like well for by the thousand dollar one and the Samsung warranties only two years anyway if you don't buy extended warranty and all that and so I think goes two years and then dies well I could potentially just buy another one I will have been where I would have been or in two years you can get something better because that sort of technology moves quickly but if you only say like I say if you're only saving a small percentage of what the known brand is and it's shy away from that because if you go into your local computer store or whatever it might be a local hi-fi store and you buy a monitor take it home and the power supply dies and it or something wrong you can usually just walk back in off the street and say this is broken and they'll help you out whereas these ones that come from China from an eBay seller or whatever it's like good luck yeah and if you do send it back it'll cost you a lot to send a morrow about yeah like hundreds of dollars of postage to get those things and that's a massive risk in itself because I've had situations I think it was a tablet and it was $50 to send that back and though it's never heard anything yeah so and they were like meant to be a reputable seller on eBay had really good but after you've already given feedback yeah you've had you know thirty days and it's been good so yeah it's kind of like a gamble if you're willing to risk that money you may come off with a great product you could buy four things from them have a great experience or you might buy once and have a terrible experience yeah so it's it's risky but it certainly can get some good deals and some really shocking deals too so yeah just have to be careful alright so that brings us the end of our January look questions that we got from all of our places so thanks to everyone for saying those in and continue to support the channels always really nice to get so many questions that we have to choose from through these sort of videos we will I guess be doing another one of these come next month we'll get together again should be this time next month do some more Q&A stuff and ask for your questions once again so I guess that's it for this video got anything else to say Steve that's it I think that's yeah you've covered it all well we've hopefully addressed all the questions and you're satisfied with our answers and you're happy or excited to see us do it again yeah so I guess we'll be catching you next time see you next time