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all right welcome back to hadron boxed for part two of the January 2019 QA we're still sweating in here with that how's it rate we talked about in the in the previous episode but obviously if you haven't seen part one go back check that one out first cuz we always put all the good questions that one we've all those stragglers have heart to of course yeah so this will be that as we the QA not worth watching yeah this intro is terrible anyway let's get into some questions okay Sal Kagan has snuck in a pair of questions into the one question I suppose well I'll read out mine you can read out yours so Steve what games are you looking forward to benchmarking in the near future well I'd have to say this year I'm really looking forward to team sonic racing it's gonna be a big one so I couldn't give a straight face now sir seriously I'm looking I wasn't really looking forward to it initially but I am now anthem that looks pretty looks visually impressive really impressive out so at least as a GPU benchmark that should be pretty awesome and then you've got like Metro Exodus for a few reasons looking in yeah I'm person excited for that because it's the first ray-traced global illumination game I don't see how that goes that's one of the reasons why I'm looking forward to that one there'll be one that Tim and I can both dive into VSO anthem and metro are probably the two games that are coming up fairly recently that I'm pretty excited about benchmarking yes also as for me what was your favorite monitor showing at sea yes um yeah there was some interesting miles I think a lot of them were fairly typical like nothing super crazy was was shown up in my opinion I think it's the 1440p 240 Hertz monitor the TN one I think Lenovo is the first to release that that I'm sort of interested in not necessarily because I think 240 Hertz is all that necessary I'm just interested to see you know how they've managed to get that panel you know 1440p up to 240 Hertz whether that has any drawbacks or anything and obviously it'll be pretty difficult to drive 200 plus FPS 1440p in a lot of games but um yeah that's probably the interesting thing as well I think there were some interesting ultra wide powers as well that sort of are pushing non-standard resolutions at higher refresh rates so we'd seen you know there's been some ultra-wide 16 10 or double-wide 16 10 panels at 60 Hertz now those are at 144 Hertz so that stuff's also pretty exciting yeah well basically that leads us into the next question from M Slice who says if the discord chat is anything to go by the monitor releases at CES were pretty disappointing hmm it seems most people wanted a 1440p or widescreen 27 32 inch HDR that was affordable and what's your view on it and you think more releases are to come this year to quench the thirst yeah so this is a this is a great question because a lot of thoughts on where jazz going for desktop Myers and my current theory with this is that we're not seeing those affordable decent HDR panels because companies can get away with putting HDR on basically anything so right now you can buy there's so many models on the market that are branded as HDR where that's you know that's why HDR 400 certified or whatever and so there's no incentive for a company to make a you know entry-level to mid range HDR monitor that has actual good HDR because they can just put HDR on wherever so I think for a while until that sort of gets resolved we're only going to get HDR for high-end buyers which will have features like full array local dimming that is required to effectively get good HDR so I think that's going to be a problem for quite some time and looking at the display roadmap for what are you optronics LG the main manufacturers have coming up it definitely looks like that's although their plans is that they're only putting their full array dimming back lights with their really high-end panels that that could be like a 4k 27-inch or 4k 32 inch panel and that's going to be very expensive so it could be a while till we until we get that but I think similar to the TV ecosystem where when TVs first launched with hgr they had the similar problem lots of range TVs had terrible local do mean terrible HDR whereas now you can buy like a 600 or $700 u.s. TV that has full array local dimming and really good HDR I think it's going to take some time for that sort of to filter down so yeah a bit disappointing that they didn't go with it this year but I still think that's a few years off unfortunately all right we've got a question here about virtual link can the USB type-c virtual link port on our TX cheering cards be used for anything other than headsets that support virtual link for example if you put a type-c flash drive into it would it really has anyone ever tested this so when this question was asked I went and tested it kind of embarrassing that we never yes I mean I guess it's just a USB C port you don't really think too much of it yeah I I assumed it would work just as a USB port yeah and it turns out that does you can plug in a USB device and it will run it USB 3.1 gen2 speeds so that's the capability that the port has and basically when you plug in the headset to use virtual link that adds in the display port you know signals in there as well to that so yes if you for example don't have a case that has USB C and you have a truant card you can just plug in whatever your SBC devices in there and it should work so really that adds a lot of value to the RIT x-series because it's it's a USB 3.1 hub essentially yeah 101 yeah yeah one device that's pretty good yeah they should have bundled an RT X hub with it yeah better than ray-tracing okay so here is our top upload a question from the youtube comment section so Steve how many FX CPUs do you secretly own well I hope they're any of them as secrets but I think I have about six or seven in total yeah I just love them yeah I know I know this is just an attempt to squeeze and an FX related question after I said I wouldn't do them anymore to keep them under your pillow like a favor I can't I keep them near because I love them so much alright how far has Vega come since its release where you can buy it now so that's kind of good can radio and 7 be a bit misleading at first time and then crush everything with a drive with driver optimization so basically saying is out of the gate it may be been underwhelming but is that misleading and over time will it get better and better to answer that one I think no I think no I would say AMD is in a pretty good place with their drivers at the moment it's not where they're sort of fumbling around and then all of a sudden you get a big performance gain in this title because they've worked things out or whatever I would say for at least the last few years AMD's being a ride on top of their driver game doing a fantastic job and that kind of kills a bit of the fine wine because we're getting the like the art the RX for a tea for example we saw pretty big gains a year later from that thing with with driver development and then we haven't really seen the same with the rx 580 which is a refresh of the 480 I think it helps that the card is based on Vega as well so I'm sure it's not a whole new architecture yeah so I don't think so I think it'll come out of the gate pretty much doing what it's going to do of course there will be driver optimizations for certain titles here and there but you're not going to see like a 10% gain across the board six months later or anything like that so I think the reviews on day one won't be misleading in that sense I think it'll be pretty much what it is ok these questions from soya why have stock CPU speeds stopped at four point five to five gigahertz basically five key codes for a single core really is it the limit from or is the limit from silicon or is it just not worth it because of extra heat and power which is pretty much a silicon limit yeah so yeah it's pretty much the limitation of what we can currently do with the materials being used got nothing to add to that it's pretty simple no I mean to get a higher clock speed you tend to need higher voltages but it gets to a point where you can't just keep pushing the voltage you get to a limit where beyond that point starts to damage the hardware itself so that's basically where at work obviously they don't ship CPUs that are right on that voltage of them it's always a little bit below but certainly even an overclocked version of these chips only hit so that low 5 Q her train yeah all the transistors can only move so fast throwing more voltage at them you get a voltage leak which adds to excess yeah power usage there and that's pretty much why we're stuck where we're at at the moment all right one of our longtime discord members revel devil mm it's got another monitor questions for me here what's your opinion on the rise of 32 nine and thirty to ten displays 3210 1440p looks like a dream for certain software slash productivity I had some pretty good things to say about this but since its addressed the team I'm gonna sit back and sip some water now you've been you've been banned from giving an opinion on this one yeah my opinions changed on these ultra wide buyers when I first saw the 32 nine morrow I thought oh that's ridiculous like who would ever want a Monda that's so wide it looks really stupid but when you think of it as 269 miles or 16 10 monitors side-by-side it makes a lot of sense because people have used that sort of setup for a long time with multiple monitors and this just condenses it into the one display with no bezels that sounds really good so yeah I'm a fan now can I jump in with sort of a novice noobish kind of question as someone who is completely ignorant never used one how do you go with because obviously you can drag one window there one window that's exactly as you say what if you want to do for like you were doing like you you know say how does that work yeah I mean in that situation you probably have to get special software to do that yeah a lot of these mothers also have a picture-in-picture mode so you can actually have a 16:9 input on either side okay so theoretically you could actually just run two cables from your PC and run them as to 16:9 Moroz and then get the benefit okay having the content either side the downside to that though is if you want to use it for gaming where you just want it to span the entire yo to nine you would then have to basically unplug it and plug in yeah it's a bit clunky so yeah I think yeah you there is software that can do that though sort of set up different zones on the monitor but that's something that I guess continue to get better but I quite like those sort of models I think if you're get if you want to 16:9 more ease you probably better off with yeah it's the functionality because I'd love to have maybe premiere open in one then Excel and maybe Google Docs or yeah something like that like we cool if you could have you dedicate those zones a bit better yeah I think windows need to you need some functionality yeah so you need to do if you drag and hit that point there it puts it there and then that one and so on and so forth yeah that's that's my only concern with that but yeah and again I think it's good that these monitors particularly not just the 32 9 1080p monitors but all sorts of models are now high refresh as well so we can get you know a wide variety of resolutions and sizes that are also suitable for gaming ok there's another question from revel devil 2001 of the straight-up worst experiences with console so a guest gaming console is the horrendous loading times of some games battlefield 5 takes a minute or two just to get to the main menu he brings up AMD store mi is that practical for next gen maybe it'll allow us to use a small external SSD so it keeps the cost of the console low yeah I'm not sure they'll specifically use store mi as named like that but I wouldn't it wouldn't surprise me if the next generation consoles had a small SSD cache or cache for you know storing some game assets maybe the game you're currently playing with a larger hard drive like a one terabyte hard drive and potentially they'll use one of those hybrid SSD SS HD yeah I think that doesn't really help initial loading of a game though does it yeah so I think they'll need to do some more fancy caching so that it's better the assets that you want to use it such as maybe they have a 64 gig cache will probably hold most games and then have the rest of it on hard drive that would work reasonably well I'd be interested to see what the the consoles do with that but I think that's probably a way to manage the expensive cost of SSDs with sort of needing that performance goes you wouldn't want another entire console generation which would be you know seven years of hard drive loading speeds on games again so I think they'll probably do something there yeah hot swappable drives are you pretty cool yeah you can already change out the drive on the good consoles but so something you can swap in an SSD and get much faster a lot of times but I'd be hoping that they would include some solid-state storage for you know just out of the box I think that would be good alright I've got another question from YouTube dodgy practice aside Nvidia have consistently shown they're simply waiting for AMD to catch up before releasing a new product ie the ten seven ETI do we really believe na'vi will be better than vega which was spoken as of as a revolutionary product and turned out to be somewhat underwhelming we all want competition but it seems like aimed at choosing market segments very carefully because Nvidia are so far ahead again we're really not sure what Navy is going to bring in terms of improvements over Vega but I do agree that Nvidia tends to sort of keep what they're doing to their chests and sort of just release it whenever aim be sort of gets their products out it's probably even more just sort of moving defective stock it's white where we see those things later in the product cycle that's what they're probably doing really yeah but I certainly think that you know na'vi will be coming before in videos 7 nanometre or eight nanometer and not sure on that one they're certainly their next-generation parts on a new process from Nvidia will be coming after Amy's Navi that seems to be the case so it will be very interesting to see how Navi stacks up to current products mm-hmm as whether that's an architecture that's targeting the mid range or the high end we still not sure but yeah be interesting to see you know if na'vi only is catching up to what shirring can do now then they might struggle a bit when invidious parts on seven enemy to come in because then they'll be able to do their own set of enhancements on that new process technologies yeah which we're expecting to happen there at least a generation behind so yes and again we keep saying this but they do need to do a family of catching up in the GPU game and it remains to be seen whether that's going to happen with na'vi a future generation or whether it just remains that their generation behind for some time so I've got a question here from YouTube as well why is ray tracing mirroring VRAM usage in battlefield 5 i've 2x20 66 gigabyte is not enough to run this game at 1080p ultra with DX r because if it's 6 gigabytes apparently digital foundry looked into that all right Resident Evil has a whopping 9 gigabyte of VRAM usage on high setting us now as well do you think it's safe to purchase a 6 gigabyte card nowadays so I passed that the second part on to Steve in a moment but our the mirroring of VRAM in battlefield 5 that's something that is I guess interesting so I'm glad aintry heard about but I suspect they probably have to do something where they have the assets duplicated to run the rate racing pass and also the stand rasterization passed previously that was all just done mm-hmm once so you just presumably only needed the one asset pipeline for that with rate racing you need two pipelines so maybe that's why it's murdered I'm not saying that's the definitive reason but I think that would make a lot of sense what do you think about six gigabyte cards the older vram debate well it depends on the game the quality settings you want to use for something as powerful as an RT X 2060 which we haven't really tested yet so it's hard to comment it does seem like it would be on a knife edge there yeah you would because the 1070 TI and 1080 that it's sort of replacing where anger cuts yeah that's right so yeah I don't know there'll be interesting to do a few tests which we will do but I don't have any trouble believing that yeah it's right on the edge and it won't be too long before we start seeing problems just as we we started to with the three gigabyte 1060 causes all sorts of problems with less than 16 gear bytes of RAM so yeah like I said I can't really say anything for sure but it does seem like that could be a problem and it certainly will be in the future Joey always says or asks rather question for Q&A where do you see look has he used the right a chronology the wrong acronym we're just talking about it's HW you being and we don't officially recognize that where do we see Harbor boxed in two to five years these questions always sort of get me a bit because I don't know it's so unpredictable in some ways like the whole YouTube thing that it makes it sort of sell out we don't have any goals or mission or anything but I don't think about it too much I mean I don't really know where we'll be we just sort of take it one year at a time we just try to do the best content we can make as much content as we can and what happens happens it's hopefully just continues going the way it we did about 140,000 subscribers last year which is pretty awesome views by the end of the year were good it's got a weed last year we started off really well then the whole notification thing happened in like the middle of the year was just so so slow and then it picked up again towards the end of the tide in a little bit with prac cycles but there was some weird youtubers stuff going on there yeah but we don't really I mean we don't I don't see the channel changing or anything yeah I just like to think that in two to five years we're just doing the same sort of content but better yeah I mean I don't think we're going to have loads of staff or anything like that I also can't see us doing moving towards more mainstream coverage like like a wines tech tips did over time I know it's fine that he's done that and he wants to do it and if that's the content enjoys making that's perfectly fine I mean a lot of stuff it yeah it's all the same we're not interested yeah I'm just I'm not interested in it I just like to know a benchmark stuff I would like to focus more on that kind of stuff have Tim dual sort of investigation stuff on visuals and monitor reviews and all that or whatever you just enjoy doing but yeah I think hopefully in two to five years it's going exactly how it's going now that'd be nice well I guess we've spent the well especially you before I joined but you spent a lot of time making hardware box viable to sort of you know support us and everything and I think from from here aren't just about because that sort of already we've already achieved viability at this point we're still around so that's yeah and yes just continuing to sort of yeah make good content yeah we sort of make it an enthusiast channel we don't like I said when I go mainstream we don't want to turn it into a money-making machine a business or anything like that hmm yeah it's just what we're doing pretty much all right and that's it for part two of our Q&A we're not sure whether we'll have a third part of this just depends on how many questions we want to put into each episode but potentially you see a part three probably in a couple of days maybe if I make it yeah if you make it cuz yes we have a few questions to answer and Stevie is struggling big-time with the hate year it's not even that warm in here but his slam in the water Lenny or whatever as always you can subscribe for more hardware unbox content give this a like if you like our 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