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okay well hopefully you've seen part one we promise part two wouldn't be that good hopefully it wasn't alright and we really really have the stragglers now we joked about part two being all the the less desirable questions to address but we have a part three so I don't know what that tells you but yeah now we had a lot of questions and a lot of really good questions so we don't like to make these episodes run too much over 20 minute mark so yeah part three all right next questions from you got way too many things going any name so I'm just going to skip it um will you be testing a Radeon seven if so do you think it's maybe between the 1080i and 2080 I probably based on what we know so far again we're just guessing here so we're sort of guessing I mean we've got information from AMD unexpected performance around 30 percent faster then Vegas 64 which would certainly put it on par at least with the 1080i probably a little bit ahead which would put it on power if the r-tx 2080 so yeah to answer the question yes we'll be getting one for testing AMD is simple definitely be getting one and not a-- definitely you'll be getting one but it'll be a week after the reviews go live we'll be getting one with plenty of time to get our review done so that's awesome news will probably provide a super in-depth day 1 review day 1 coverage and I think yes it will be between the TI and RT X xx atti alright next question you ready mm-hmm Tim's nodding off a bit if I buy a new GPU should I take it apart and replace the thermal paste I've seen videos where they say it's a good idea but what about warranties and stuff my take on this would be if you need to replace the thermal paste on a brand new graphics card it's a rubbish graphics card I've not seen an instance where you need to do that I have done plenty of times because we take it apart clean up take some beer I'll put it back together and I do the thermal testing beforehand then I replace it with a really higher-quality fella paste almost always the temperatures are identical or within a degree so certainly not worth maybe there's some like budget cards you get that have that real nasty dry thermal paste that's not so great maybe it makes sense there but then real budget nasty cards or not nasty cards but budget cards using nasty thermal paste generally aren't super fast and don't generate loads a heat so it'll be a waste of time anyway probably not worth doing it because yeah even warranties and all that stuff aside if you do damage the card that's just a whole pain in the backside that you would have had to deal with otherwise and it's for no real gain so not worth doing if you buy a second hand GPU and I don't know it's one of a particular model that maybe you go read a few reviews watch a few videos and they're claiming thermals are 5 degrees or more cooler than what you're getting take note of the ambient temperature but yeah if you think it's running much hotter than it should be then maybe it's worth taking the second handcart apart reapplying some thermal paste and see if that improves things for you or it could just be a whole heap of dust in the heatsink or whatever so yeah I mean for new cards though definitely not worth doing okay next question GPU related is there any difference between the rx 400 series and the rx 500 series apart from the clock speeds in other words would and rx 480 at one point four gigahertz be equal to an Rx 580 at the same speed and that's basically what the question is the rx 500 series for the most part with the exception of the rx 550 and the dodgy rx 560 version that they quietly released with the exception of those two it's a refresh it's a Polaris refresh so your rx 470 became the 570 and the 480 became the 580 with a factory overclock so AMD said that it was on the new FinFET 14 nanometer FinFET process basically the process are just matured so they were getting better yields and therefore they could run at slightly higher clock speeds but my 480 card overclocked just as well as my 580 card and so on and so forth with the other ones so yeah I mean there's no real differences oh but sorry I just we add in one last bit when you're saying at the same frequency would they be equal yes absolutely identical in every metric all right Alex asks do you think OLED monitors will make LCDs obsolete when the tech improves if so how long will this be or do you think they'll always be a place for LCD yeah I mean OLED right now is better in a lot of ways in LCD the main problem is the burning that you get so especially for a monitor things like the taskbar any applications that use a lot say you just use it for Chrome things like you know the address bar will start to burn in overtime because the OLED you know elements themselves degrade at different rates depending on how often you use them so if they can solve that and you can get older with no burning then yeah there'd be every reason to produce that over LCD especially for high-end monitors because always and more expensive to manufacture so yeah that would be when it would make it obsolete how long will this be I think it's actually not solvable for all lids I'm not sure they can get it to a point where burning is completely not an issue we saw with plasmas over time back when plasmas were a thing that you know early models would burn in a lot more than sort of the final generation models would but it was still an issue for the last models so I think there will always be a place for LCD particularly with technology like micro LED coming out that basically has some of the advantages of olives like deeper blacks per pixel local dimming so I think eventually that will actually supersede all it and will get sort of better LCD technology in the future and go from there all right Steve here's a question for you from YouTube was the recent 1050 TI vs. RX 570 video where it shows the 570 demolishing the 1050 TI a stabber din video for not supplying with a 2060 I saw a couple of these comments and yeah well not having a go at this person who asked that's a fair enough question suppose I even addressed it in the video because I thought at the end of it I thought I know this is going to come up straight after we did that RT X 2060 thing look these videos these 36 cm benchmark videos are in the play a planned weeks ahead of time it takes a seriously long time a test of graphics card at two resolutions and 36 games like I'll sit there for like 16 hours and just benchmark for like two or three days in a row to do one card so it's not like yet they shaft this with the RT X 2016 I was like that's it Tim we're doing this comparison and then a day and a half later it was done it took me like a day and a half just to edit it so no that wasn't the intention there that video as I said was massively overdue the last time I did that video was the 1050 TI versus the RX 470 so the 5:17 I always compared with the 1063 gigabyte which upset a lot of the AMD fans but the reason I did that was very simple they cost the same amount in fact the RX 570 was more expensive than the three about 10 60 back when I made my comparison so that's why I did it but now you can get the rx 570 typically for less than a 1050 Ti so it doesn't make sense to compare it with something much more expensive three about 10 60 anymore having said that because a few people did ask for it and I know they are you've got a lot that $200 price bracket that 150 to 200 ala price bracket is very crowded nave got the 570 the 580 the 3 gigabyte 1060 snuck in there and then you have the the gtx 1050 to I so there's four cards sort of occupying that zone and then a bit above it you have the six gigabyte 1060 so I'm gonna do a video including all of those cards including the six gigabyte 1060 in the next few days and then I will get our much-delayed r-tx 2060 video out yeah no that was not a video having a go in video it was planned ahead of time and it was always going to happen I haven't done like a gtx 1050 vs. rx 560 video for a while those two apparently evenly matched and you can go either way I just get whichever ones but yeah I haven't revisited them with updated drivers okay I'll get to this one as well why are some of AMD's GPUs aging better than their in-video counterparts good question I think there's two reasons for this one is AMD generally offers more vram with their GPUs which helps them age a bit better kind of self-defeating for AMD there because they have to charge more for the card or their margins are cut in two and for quite some time the people buying the cards and you don't really benefit from the new VM we're going to see that with the Radeon seven 16 gigabytes is massive overkill right now but you can expect it to give it an advantage over the r-tx 2080 in three four five years and at that point well whoever bought the news probably looking at moving on and then the other reason is Kota comes under that fine wine banner which the vram thing does as well but this one is less impressive it's basically sloppy drivers I said in a question earlier AMD has been doing a fantastic job with their drivers recently arguably better than in video so yeah why not so we're not seeing those consistent gains like we were for a while from them because they haven't got ground and make up now they're sort of hitting the ground running straight out of the gate with their our GPUs now and that ties into another question we answered earlier I think the Radeon seven will perform pretty well right the baton we won't see ten or whatever percent gains in certain titles that have been out for a while so yeah basically comes down to VM and Driver development the vram thing will continue and I think they're pretty well on top of the the drivers at this point true benchmarks asks us if a freesync monitor worked with an AMD card it should work with an Nvidia card to write or add those screen issues in video mentions something that can be at the driver level that they won't fix I know in a previous video you said that statement by them was Bologna but for the sake of curiosity what do you think what did you use the word Bologna that's what's written there and by the met bowler who know unless something might be something yeah we Aussies don't quite yet so moving on the question is if a freesync miner worked with an AMD card should it work with an Nvidia card - right assuming that Nvidia is implemented adaptive sync properly then yes both monitors should work exactly the same whether it's an ambien or an Nvidia card if Nvidia hasn't implemented it properly for whatever reason then yes then would be a situation where it wouldn't work on NVIDIA cards right and that would be entirely invidious fault for stuffing that up are they something that is that a driver level that they won't fix I don't think it's a driver problem the things that they're shown I think they're problems with the panel's themselves these are panels that have just been manufactured poorly they didn't get the adaptive sync implementation right in the panel itself I know there's a few LG panels that they were showing off that were basically the examples of things like flickering dipping to black those sorts of things unknown issues with those particular monitors so I don't think that's a freesync issue I just think that's an issue with LG not making those morons proper I'm not calling it LG specifically because there's a few other monitors as well that have those issues but again it's not an issue with freesync itself it's just those monitor manufacturers doing a bad job and personally if I ever saw those issues with the monitor that I'd purchased I would either take it back and get something else or RMA it because it's basically just a fault it shouldn't shouldn't happen it's not inherent issue with freesync so yeah those are really my thoughts with that I think in videos kind of blown up that issue a bit to sort of portray it as these issues issues with all freesync monitors which definitely is in the case so yeah okay super MX says what is the best time of year to consider upgrading a GPU in the beginning or middle or in the end of the year depends on the year it depends on what's coming out when typically well yeah I mean it's a tough one to answer it depends on the year it also depends on what you're after and what's released so if you were waiting for an affordable or mid-range graphics card then the end of last year wouldn't have been worth waiting for because we're only got $500 plus graphics cards and yeah it just depends on what you want like use GPUs a great now you can get Pascal Polaris GPUs are quite cheap quite a good discount there but you can always wait you can always like I wouldn't be kicking yourself if you buy a GPU and now and then in five months there's something that's a bit better for a slightly better price because you've got five months of fun gaming in and you'll get many more in science I did a video recently about why now is a good time for gamers to build a gaming PC and I talked about the fact that there's always something new coming and if you know if we know that say we knew that Navi was coming in a month and it was suspected to offer a 20% performance boost over what we have now for the same price then that would be worth waiting for but right now we don't have that information so you just got to gauge what informations available the time and what we're expecting and be careful to read too much into rumors and things like that try to get confirmed information interesting question here do you think these rumors are killing AMD's progress personally seeing this kind of practice in online media and forums just for AMD okay so thinks it's what he's saying is the rumors are mostly focused on AMD product launches and that makes people's expectation way too high but if a product doesn't deliver as the rumor suggests are those so-called fans aim D fans kill themselves fairly extreme I I don't see rumors for Intel for their upcoming tend ohmmeter products yeah that much pretty heavily memed on can we stop these rumor and practices okay well I assume this is all in relation to Tim's sort of D railing of the hype train for CES all right yeah so you two really really really wanted to avoid talking about this because he has not enjoyed it one bit which is he didn't touch up the 20-foot pole seems people can be quite ridiculous about these things and I guess this is sort of what this questions about well alright I know Tim doesn't really want to talk about this kind of stuff much so I'll talk about it Tim can quietly sit there in pain yeah yeah okay so we got some we've got some rumors about what AMD's lineup was going to be for The Horizon 3000 series we said they look too good to be true in some ways that was taken out of context like it looked too good to be true for one they'll being announced say yes that seemed far too good to be true and I'm unreasonable unrealistic what you were getting for the prices in the current market seemed unlikely and then it wasn't just like Tim Tim wasn't saying you're not getting 16 cause that's too good to be true that wasn't what he was saying at all he wasn't focused on any one thing it was the package deal that seemed too good to be true so I guess one way to put this for people who don't quite get the question all and I'll just given an example so let's say there were no rumors at all there was just guys talking in forums dreaming and stuff and there was no speculation video put out there nothing that got everyone talking about and everyone reported on us this is what's happening at CES say there was none of that and AMD came out at CES and did exactly what they did which was shown eight core part with better efficiency than the 1990 a matching the performance of the 99er okay albeit and Cinebench we don't really know gaming numbers and stuff yet but that in itself is very very impressive now they had to come out and shown that in productivity they can match the 99 or okay or slightly beat it and under and clock speeds that may get better than that the same amount of cause that's huge I would have walked away from that like blown away which I'll still was anyway but I think everyone just about everyone would have walked away from that pretty blown away they'll be there would have been some people saying oh you know Amy's gone to seven nanometers and they can only just match Intel on 14 that's all a bit silly because they didn't just do that the efficiency was much better so it was impressive and I think everyone would have walked away from that impressed now if the rumour had had been accurate and it had have been at CES AMD will reveal teaser product an eight-core product that can Intel Core four core simp similar frequency or whatever and it will match it in performance and be more efficient I think everyone be like whoa that's that seems awesome not too good to be true but that seems awesome and I'll believe it when I see it and then we see the demo and we're like holy crap that's amazing so it was hyped up in a way that it delivered I think that's the best way to heart something up in a way that delivers except ever I was expecting a whole slew of Horizon 3000 processors with potentially pricing specifications core count all that and they're expecting a 16 core part to be unveiled and just absolutely annihilate the 900k and don't tell me they weren't expecting that because every single youtuber basically that parroted the leak was like Intel's dooms you saw the headlines and that's what AMD fanboys wanted us to do was make a video about how doomed Intel is which still may be the case in the way that they think it's going to happen and we know the 16 core part is possible it's very possible but that doesn't mean AMD should do it right now and doesn't mean they will so we have to they're going to read the market conditions they're going to play things the way they were going to play them basically they know what they can do they know what they have at their disposal that they know and they will execute in whatever way is best for them and coming out right now the 16 core part which they were suggested to do at CES would have been a terrible move because it neuters your thread Ripper sales it kills your eyes and second generation sales who's going to buy an eighth the 2700 X or any of those parts who's going to buy the six core parts when we're getting a better six core part for next to nothing so it would have just effectively killed rise and sales a lot of killed thread Ripper sales so they were never ever ever going to do that it was never going to happen and we knew it was never gonna happen for a few reasons and Tim put them in a video foolishly and Coptic endless hate for trying to tell the truth I don't whine but Tim never said that 16 cause wasn't possible or wasn't going to happen yeah and I think the question here was do those rumors potentially harm a MDM yeah and I think it's possible it is because you think it's definitely well does way more bad than good yeah gives you height for a product that you know they didn't show and potentially doesn't exist they were a lot a lot of comments on our YouTube you I am the undelivered again yeah under Julia yeah Amy fails this and that way think this is amazing you look at the tech and you go yeah okay that's actually a pretty significant step forward considering how far behind a 2700 X is compared to now Andrew K then the neck very next generation they have matched that on performance and done it at a much lower power that's very impressive but because people are expecting 16 calls to be unveiled right there and then that people like oh well they didn't show a 16 core part so that's not what I was expecting that's not that's not as impressive yep so yeah I think these weeks do have an impact on these companies and their launch plans and I think that you know internally am do you might not been too happy with some of those things but it still just AMD like we've seen that from time to time with invidious leaks as well last year a lot of people even with that leaks you know people were sort of getting hyped up for you know this major unveil of things and you know you could see videos pretty much every week of people sort of speculating and guessing and leaking information about what those cards would be and that turns out that you know while the 2080 I is you know faster that you know the cards weren't as good value for money as people were expecting from some of that information yeah it happens all the time every it's a difficult position for us because we personally don't like the leaks and rumors at all but we get why you guys the enthusiasts are interested in them get excited about them and like to discuss them and I think haven't having a healthy discussion about this stuff is perfectly fine but when someone says one thing and then you know we got information and we were told exactly what would be in the keynote and what would be announced and what would be teased and what would be shown and when we sort of go home guys like we had a lot of viewers asking us for our opinion on this and we knew the answer we couldn't say who told us or how are you but we could just say well temper your expectations because this ain't happening and then Tim got tons of hate for that so we're well we've worked we've learnt a lot from it rather than sort of dig into these rumors and sort of prove aspects of them right or wrong we're just going to give our opinions that we think is going to happen I think it's probably the best way to go that you're different whether we make or not who knows but or yeah you know share information relating to these rumors and everything yeah we're not sure but certainly we will doing a bit of a different way I think yeah we've definitely learned from it and we will tackle it in a slightly different way it's kind of annoying that we have to I don't think that Tim did anything wrong but just from the reaction it was just something that we didn't really want to deal with you know so that's that okay thank you for watching I am gonna wrap this up real quick because my arms are starting to stick to the table I'm over it done too long with the Q&A too hot but yeah thank you for everyone who submitted a question we had it yeah like I said about over 300 I think it was yeah and to really really call them down this time which was yeah yeah even then we've still got three parts yeah very good so thank you again feel free to like feel free to subscribe so you can subscribe to patreon yes there and yeah that's going to do it this one so I'm your host Steve I'm use to me even though I never say that in my videos I'll see you the next one