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welcome back to harbor unboxed guess what we haven't done this month it is time for the monthly Q&A we've asked you guys what you would like us to address we've got plenty of questions so let's get into them okay we'll kick things off with a question that's probably a good place to start and what recent two years or less technologies do you think are or will be a game-changer for pc hardware not counting our RGB overlords of course well I can't go with RGB then yeah I'm fresh out of ideas and that one may be 3d TVs via but seriously I can't foresee any game changes I suppose if I could I'd probably worth more than I am in our realm of GPU and CPU testing all that kind of stuff I think seven nanometers will be the next big step yeah well yeah CPUs and GPUs that's the thing we're most excited to see but sure that you got nothing no not really can't see the future either unfortunately TVs got nothing for us either so we're useless all right next question is a faster gaming CPU necessary are we meant to always stay under 144 Hertz by 144 Hertz monitor anyway this if I've been asking you to do this video for a long time I think we get asked this pretty much every Q&A as some form of question about should you run a monitor with you know frame rates above the refresh rate it's a good question so don't get me wrong it's just that I'm telling to address this one is really about that one come on but basically like we've said in the past it is you get a more responsive game experience if you run your frames your frame rate that is above the refresh rate of the moment so you don't necessarily have to run 144 FPS or 144 hurts more if you're only 250 FPS it'll be more responsive 500 FPS more responsive again simply because it can you know get the the frame that comes out of the display will be the most recent relative to your mouse inputs in all that so yeah so games like Starcraft 2 not that important games like your Call of Duty's battlefront battle filled all those bit more important yeah I think as well you asked is a faster gaming CPU necessary well you know you don't always necessarily need the fastest gaming CPU in terms of you know if you just want to play 60fps or something but if you do want to hit those high frame rates then there is a benefit to getting a faster CPU that's for sure yes that's right so I think I put that in my is rising more future proof for gamers and again if you're using even like a GTX 1060 or a 1070 with competitive settings you will be getting higher frame rates if the CPU allows for it and as Tim said you're important all that stuff's just a bit better alright this is a good question what browser do you guys use okay I did use Mozilla Firefox for a long time so yeah okay and then I got pulled over to Chrome by a few mates that liked it so much better and then once you started you log in you save your bookmarks and all your sort of accounts set up and all that kind of stuff it just makes it easier from going from one device to another so yeah let's go with your phone and your desktop and all that so I'm on Chrome yeah I'm on Chrome as well pretty much exactly the same reason I'm sure I'm sure that you know if we look into new browsers right now that all sorts of browsers would have those sort of features but just yet from back in the day when those sort of features were rare it was kind of kind of nice to have so we just jumped in yeah I've heard Firefox's awesome again yeah so just we're kind of stuck in chrome now yes yep I've been asked see if sharing files over direct Ethernet connection assuming one gigabit between two pcs would an nvme SSD be worth it over a SATA SSD for the best performance with the ethernet connection bottleneck the nvme SSD too much for it to be worth it so Gigabit Ethernet it only equates to 125 megabytes per second and that could be cut down even further by sort of whatever is happening in the pipeline so yeah for for the local storage transfers it doesn't really matter you keep it have a hard drive and not saturate 125 megabytes per second so as far as SSDs are concerned solder is completely fine and then nvme is kind of overkill I guess unless you've got some 10 gigabit networking or something masterrace networking yeah you really do need that sort of expensive set up to make the most out of SSDs for file transfers otherwise really anything's fine these days yeah SSD would be the way to go solder SSD yeah just because that can do better with random yeses rights and things like that whereas most of the transfers probably aren't that sequential anyway so Steve what would you say is the most reputable component reseller in Australia PC case key is pretty good if only they had a store in Sydney okay well hmm we don't obviously buy a lot of stuff we still do buy plenty of hardware but not as much as you possibly might imagine I don't know it depends on how you view that fair anyway ah to be perfectly honest we are PC case gear fanboys just because they've been so great to us the channel I even when the channel was much smaller than it is even now they were always happy to offer a helping hand lend us whatever we needed get whatever sort of stuff we needed and sort of no questions asked there they didn't ask for shoutouts or demand anything it was just it just seemed happy to help so yeah we we were obviously really like those guys so we highly recommend them they seemed like a really nice company great people to work with and so yeah no answer your question though I think Sydney as well I don't really obviously not familiar with stores there where for a Melbourne Victoria I think you Mart is pretty good have you heard much about you know I wouldn't know I just usually buy most stuff from PC case okay yeah well I've got a few stores in New South Wales and I think their stuffs relatively cheap I've got a cousin who shops with them and he's had no complaints so yeah maybe you Matt okay we might draw it on a be a bit about this one I'm not sure Pablo asked our eBay's gpus worth buying and I replied to him saying you mean ex mining cards you mean the cheap Chinese cards or do you mean just second-hand GPUs in general and we didn't get a response in time before shooting this video so I guess we'll just quickly go over those obviously the cheap Chinese ones that are generic no brand don't touch them because they're fake they're just low-end cars that have had their BIOS flash to identify as a higher-end card so they're a complaint not a ripoff I don't know why eBay isn't stamping out the sellers that do that because they're definitely not so avoid those stick to your known brands you know sapphires msi of Susa gigabyte whoever as for ex mining cards I mean often second-hand GPS aren't really advertised as ex mining cars unless they're like in a bundle of eight I don't really know what advice I would give on those because it really depends on how they were used to mine whether they were under vaulted and if they're in a cool room or if they were heavily abused they could be on the edge of dying I don't have mad coil wine or something like that would you agree yeah yeah I think in a situation of buying used GPUs from eBay you should probably just assume most of them have been used for mining even though at this point yeah even though it doesn't it might not seem like they're used for mining just go about your practices with buying use GPS as if it have been sort of tortured in that way and then sort of look at what options are available and yeah the sellers are sort of saying so make sure you're getting a good discount on it and I think that that pretty much covers just second-hand shopping in general I suppose there's obvious pitfalls so you've got to make sure you're getting it I think I've said in the past I'd always want at least a 40% discount over what it costs to buy new that's at least that much for your second I think people often say about half price secondhand you you're not gonna get a half price ten atti because obviously the demands still there but just be careful with what you're buying yeah that saying definitely buying you stuff is worth it if you know your budget is tight and then you can definitely get lots of good deals but again just got to be wary of what's out there and how people have used them yeah okay next question how I decrease my GTX ten at seventy TI fe cards that's the founders edition model it hits eighty degrees Celsius will eighty degrees damage the GPU after three to four years for the founders Edition cards the short answer to that is no although many people will tell you that that is hot they sort of want to run at 70 degrees or less which is what most of the my partner cards do for the FE models that's actually the temp target I should I think 84 degrees maybe a temp target on that one and so they are designed to run at those temperatures so they're not gonna die or it's doing that for years on end it's not going to kill them or it shouldn't I mean they're only hitting those temperatures well your gaming anyway so it's not going to look for the entire life of the card but if you you you could improve case that airflow to reduce temperatures or at least stop it from the fair spitting up that's probably what you're mostly going to be running into there is the fam will spin up to keep it at 84 degrees because if you do exceed that it will start a throttle it'll be lower in the clock speeds of the cause so to avoid that and get maximum performance you want to keep it at under 84 degrees so if you're achieving 80 degrees and that's perfectly fine and you're at no risk of damaging the card okay next question I like this nice short and to the point is a gigabyte of RAM enough for gaming we did a big in depth of video late last year on this ensure is enough for gaming for most titles you won't have any problems there 16 gigabytes obviously ideal at this point but for games like your overwatch fortnight what other examples can I give those sort of games anyway the commonly played games that are quite popular 8 gigabytes will be fine a game such as what we got here battlefield 1 and made a note of that that's a game that definitely used 16 you've RAM no worries you'll get a bit of stuttering with a gigabyte so I imagine the upcoming battlefield 5 will also require 16 gigabytes for a smooth gameplay at all times so yeah thank you byte is definitely what I would describe as being the minimum would you agree yeah with your laptop's 16 ideal and I think over that's definitely overkill through gigabytes definitely isn't required for gaming there's no games to take advantage of that much memory that I'm aware of you'll also have to dump less information from the memory when loading whatever it is you plan on playing if you do use 16 opposed to eight that's one advantage and then if you'd like to alter mounted games check things like that your computer will be a lot less laggy when you do so but other than that I don't think there's too many titles that definitely need 16gb of RAM so it's kind of I suppose a balancing act if you've got a budget system and you don't you know you've got sort of a quad-core CPU and maybe up to a GTX 1060 then 8 gigabytes is going to be fine but if you go for Rison 7 because it's got a lot of cause there and you really want at least 16 gigabytes in my opinion so I hope that makes sense alright another question here and this is sort of about YouTube so that's good for us why does YouTube stutter with 4k 60fps as it just Chrome what causes this so probably let you answer that one if you have any ideas yeah I imagine that you run into sort of a hardware issue there either your CPU or whatever is not fast enough to decode that I mean 4k 60fps footage is quite intensive to decode without sort of your special hardware and a lot of CPUs at the moment don't have that sort of dedicated decoding block for 4k 60 at least for the codecs and stuff that YouTube uses so when you put your quality settings all the way up to 4k 60 usually it's off loading on to the cpu and if you cpu isn't fast enough you'll run into all sorts of stutters and other issues so I would imagine that's a hardware issue for you unfortunately I know for sure on my rise in seven system that 4k 60p footage runs perfectly fine I do ever tighten XP as well as that probably helps out a bit there too but yeah on the lower end systems particularly laptops you can run into a few issues with sort of 4k 60 on YouTube all right here's an interesting question do you think that AMD's 3rd gen processors will be able to hit a 5 gigahertz overclock thanks to the 7 nanometer node if so will this make them more viable against Intel considering one of the main reasons Intel processors are better at gaming is their higher clock speeds so it's pretty interesting to see what might be happening with the 7 animator load I know that Global Foundries which manufactures AMD's cpus their CEO or CTO I think said that there's a lot they're making a lot of performance claims at least with their SEM nanometer process they were saying you know at least a 2.7 times reduction in size compared to 14 nanometer so that's pretty big and you know usually when you get that you get also you know clock speed advantages and all sorts of things that you can do there so they have said that 5 gigahertz as possible depending on the CPU design that's key so whether they're referring to AMD there or not we'll have to wait and see but certainly 7 nanometers should be allowing a lot more Headroom for that sort of thing compared to 12 nanometer that's currently being used so yeah and I guess you know if AMD can push it up to about 5 gigahertz then Intel with their current tech they're in a bit of trouble I think yeah the one thing that they have on MB won't be there anymore and I think they might be losing some performance crayons yeah exactly I totally agree with that five-year Hertz would be yet amazing very good I hope we're not getting sucked for disappointment there I hope it's not gonna fall if does fall short it's not by a long way is supposed to be a big improvement of a current technology so you know your 14 nanometer to 12 nanometer which was rising first gen 2 second gen wasn't that big you saw that very small improvement yes two point seven times reduction in size yeah mass is over large improvements in that so yeah we should be seeing some pretty significant gains with seven nanometer but as we've always things that time to say so far out but we should be you know when we can so will Intel be soldiering their ninth gen CPUs and it's soldiering in Australia not soldering like they say in America I just want to correct that for the record maybe soldering anything no ok I'll answer that one I seriously doubt it and I've seen the rumors heard all the rumors I've had a good think about it I think the rumors are probably like most rumors they're BS it's certainly possible so don't get us wrong we're not saying it definitely won't happen but it just seems unlikely that it would I mean they don't even solder the 79 80 X e so why would they solder the 9th gen Desktop Parts I know they're under a lot more pressure now and in my what Intel needs to fix video one of my key things asked them to fix was not using the paste anymore and going to a solder design but yeah I mean I'd be shocked if they do it if they did it and it'd probably be just for the eight core models you know the eight core model or other I can't see them they'll never solder the lower-end chips because it just doesn't make sense yep so maybe the eight core the rest of them I'm saying no chance but I think probably known all of them you're great yep done okay we have a question about affordability here is building a PC going to get significantly cheaper in the new future at least RAM and GPUs gee that'd be nice wouldn't that yeah I think it's probably wishful thinking to say significantly cheaper I mean graphics cards are back in MSRP pretty much the only way you use a video just on that yep so graphics cards aren't really any cheaper than they are now I mean memory prices will help they're a little bit ddr4 has plenty of improvement flow improvement there's just one component so well it will help for the budget systems it's not gonna make a big difference to your high-end systems so I mean we have new GPUs they should be arriving from Nvidia a few months time then we have hopefully yeah days later in the EO bill i said i don't think it's going to change GPU pricing too much we'll just get better GPUs for hopefully hopefully the same money yeah and also I think the same thing would happen with memory as well with DVR five that will be coming out in a couple of years I would imagine I think I'm pretty pessimistic about all this pricing stuff so I think ddr4 has a chance of staying the same price until ddr5 comes out oh and then you'll just be upgrading to that a lot of people say that I obviously have no idea and we're just guessing but if you look at the the history of memory pricing it's very yeah that's it goes in cycles and we should be coming at the start of next year 2019 we should be coming in the downwards so hopefully hopefully so I said in my Wyatt's a bad time for PC gamers to build computers or whatever it was that serious legend at the start of the year can't be expected to remember what the series was called I said in that series I expect ddr4 pricing to fall early next year so time will tell alright Steve here's a question I know you love getting I don't understand why you think the 8350 case sucks it seems like a relatively good choice for a budget Riggs since there are cheaper motherboard solutions could you explain why a 350 K isn't good by the way it's coming in the mail for me well firstly my condolences okay so this is all coming about because I named the core i3 350 K as one of the worst CPUs in my top 5 worst CPUs video not that long ago in my opinion the CPU just makes a little sense no sense at all and it's current asking price and I say that because for I believe it's the exact same price right now you can get the core i5 8400 and that's just a significantly better CP on my opinion but I'll get to that in a minute and even worse you can get the Rison 5 2600 I believe that's currently $10 u.s. cheaper so that's three times the threads for $10 less and it's actually more than a $10 saving you've got a factor in the fact that the a350 k it's just a core i3 processor it doesn't come with a cooler whereas you do get a good cooler I know people hammer about the rates still noting a great cooler but it's significantly better than no cooler and it does lay in at run the Rison v 2600 up to I think about four gigahertz yet by memory from memory you might also say well the 8350 K can be overclocked to five units maybe even 5.2 gigahertz and for gaming that makes it you know a better CPU there something like the rise in five 2600 just on the night of overclocking now all the 8350 case that I've tried to overclock completely sucked they topped out at 4.8 to 4.9 you know it's even my sample actually I didn't get a sample I bought mine but the first chip I bought only did 4.9 so that was a disappointment after all my other coffee like CPUs did at least five gigahertz and a little bit of research from Silicon Lottery will tell you that half of them only only half of the manage 5 gigahertz and I think it's something like 14% of them reach 5.2 so they're obviously not Bend as well as the core i5 and the i7 models and even at 5.20 Hertz it's still slower than a core i5 8400 for core heavy workloads and that's non-gaming workloads of course but then even for gaming it'll still like a core i5 8500 or still a two-hit 600 FPS or whatever it is in csgo so overclocking a quad core doesn't really help there and for games like Battlefield 1 you will be right on the edge of a stuttering hell with the 83 50k at five point two goats or five units or whatever so that CPU next year is just really gonna struggle with triple-a titles and then talking about 5.2 you had to be playing overclocking a 5.2 years you obviously need a cooler to match and it is a hot chip at 5.2 yet so you've got to spend something like $50 on a decent air cooler or more if you want an all-in-one liquid cooler so in short if you plan on overclocking get the rise in v 2600 because there's just a much faster much better cpu and it actually works out being cheaper at the end of the day so if you're on a tight budget my advice would be get the Rison 320 200 G or the core i3 8100 so hopefully all that gives you some understanding of why I think daddy 350k sucks so is there any hope at all the game developers will move towards more core utilization in the near future will there be a rise in sponsored tile showing off multi-core power ashes of the benchmark for life ok well it's a bit of a tricky one this one for multiple reasons we're certainly moving towards utilising these core heavy CPUs better and I sort of touched on this in my what is it is rise and more future-proof for gamers video that I did not that long ago it's probably only been a week each area now basically that video I said it's not going to happen tomorrow it's not going up in next week or next month or even next year it's likely going to be quite a few years before we see games really pushing arise in seven CP to its limits and probably quite a few years before we see even the six core 12 ever isin five CP is being heavily utilized in games I'll try to summarize this one and quickly I'll just get to the point because there's a few different aspects this like it's not just about spreading load across all the cores which ashes does do a great job of doing you've actually then got to be fully utilizing all those cores and well we do have quite a few games that will spread the load pretty well almost as well as ashes you're not saturating something like a rise in seven CPU it's like twenty to forty percent so until we can get that up to probably 90% that's when you're really going to see the the older CPUs with less cause just really struggling not being able to keep up in those titles okay we're going to hit pause there plenty of questions answered hopefully successfully to their satisfaction and then tomorrow we'll have part two if Tim gets that edited so he's tasked with that job anyway thank you for watching like subscribe share that's still a thing isn't it and we'll see you next time