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welcome back to harbor own box this is part 2 of the July QA I think we had part one go out yesterday so you should probably go back onto the channel and check that one out if you haven't already but we'll be answering your ton more questions in this one so let's get straight to it okay this next question I'm just skimming through it's quite a long one actually looks like it's one for you Tim so you can read the question so you'll understand it better and yeah okay so this person is asking you about the rise in popularity of adaptive sink motors and I think still people a bit confused about how important they are some of people on forums saying gaming is absolutely impossible or horrible with this without this technologies and we know this isn't true however there isn't any evidence to counter this if you were using an Nvidia card as most people do with the free sink Mona 1:44 husband and no adaptive sink realistically how bad would the experience be without adaptive sink so it's interesting question because I have said in the past that if you're using a video card with the free sink modest so long as you're running at frame rates that are near the sort of 144 Hertz range that the experience is very similar whether you have adaptive sync on or off the only thing adaptive sync does is it either reduces your stuttering because you would normally be running vsync on or alternatively it reduces your tearing if you have vsync off so you're less likely to notice stuttering and tearing at high frame rates so if you're running it like a lot a higher fresh panel I like 144 hurt so if you're running it like a hundred plus FPS on 144 Hertz in some games it's not going to be super noticeable either the stuttering or the tearing that you would get running with vsync on or off so in which case then if you're having a video card running on a free sonic monitor the difference isn't going to be that much between that and an AMD card that can make use of adaptive sync so I definitely disagree that if you're at those frame rates that the experience is horrible without their technology it's really very similar you might notice that you might not I think the main advantage comes if you're running at 70 ish p.s below to around 40 fps that's the real golden zone for your adaptive syncs so if you have an AMD card there it'll be much smoother and much less tearing will be noticeable during that sort of frame rate range so which is what makes free sync in my opinion a good technology because it's free so you can get cheap monitors take advantage on it on affordable graphics cards whereas I don't know no correct me if I'm wrong but I don't really get the point of g-sync yeah I mean it makes sense for Nvidia cards and specifically for high resolution monitors like fork if you're game yeah yeah yeah and you're sort of won't play Ultra in that sort of forty to sixty zone it'll seem a lot smoother playing at 40 on g-sync compared to on a free sync monitor but for a lot of gamers that are preferring those high refresh you know high frame rate experiences honestly if someone that's used a lot of these Morrison is used free sync on NVIDIA cards and all that honestly if I'm playing above 100 FPS there's very little difference you might get the occasional game that you know tearing is really noticeable and then that's really bad but otherwise just game with vsync off and you'll be almost the same sort of experience well that was a video in itself yep so is there going to be a huge difference upgrading from ddr4 2133 to ddr4 41:33 and is it worth upgrading well not messing around there that's what I'll always a 194 percent increase yeah that's right memory frequency huge yeah okay well if you're able to take advantage of first of all 2133 is very low like realistically you're probably buying 2400 probably the slowest memory gonna buy 2066 so but anyway we even from 2066 2666 to over 4000 that's a huge jump for gaming you're unlikely to see that translate into extra frames unless you're doing like some sort of really insane high refresh rate gaming for memory sensitive applications yes that will be of benefit but you really have to make sure that you can use it because I think the cheapest 4000 plus kits or 4133 kits you're looking at around $200 for a 6 you might get I wear a 16 gigabyte kits of any frequency started about $130 I think that's like your 2400 stuff that I mentioned earlier I think it's about as slow as it goes so that it's really not worth it for that price increase unless you have some sort of memory sensitive application you're running that you'll notice like a really big boost in performance and also I mean you have to take into account that most CPUs can't support that cut well I want to say most most of the Intel CPUs probably can on an unlocked board beat I don't know if there's a rise and see any I don't don't think so I mean I view 2nd gen rise and a 3600 I haven't got any memory that goes above that so maybe someone can correct me in the comments if rise and CPUs go up to 4000 but to my knowledge they don't so anyway um I've sort of meandered around a bit here but to answer your question I don't think it's worth it you're better off getting I think 3200 is probably the sweet spot you're paying about only about 20 or 30 dollars over the base memory for not the low latency stuff but yeah I'd be I'd be aiming for ddr4 32 to 3400 that probably makes the most sense in terms of value okay next question is it sensible to purchase a Pascal card right now Tim and I just talked about this on the patreon livestream so Tim should be armed with plenty of information to handle this one I currently own a classified 980ti and was waiting for the next gen to arrive all I've seen so far is nothing but rumors I hope you saw a joke video because that was hilarious so if you stuff I buy a 1080 T I would it be a bad Buy or should I just wait more do a bit more waiting yeah so let's be nice I mean a 980ti it's still a very capable cards around the same level of a gtx 1070 you'll be playing at 1440p with no problems and you can get some nice overclocking performance out of that as well like a 20% boost also but like I said my recent video talking about MSRP cards and the pricing of cards at the moment it sort of makes sense to wait if you're in that sort of upper end bracket at the moment because like your real the only real option as you say is I've greens like a 1080i to get a decent performance improvement and then those are the cards that are most likely to be upgraded first video releases their next-gen cards so at this point unless you're buying like a like a ten sixty or those sort of more entry-level cards it really makes sense to wait to see what everybody has because like I said they're gonna upgrade date those ten seventy ish level cards and above first so we have no inside information but there's a good chance within the next few months you better get ten a two-hour performance for a lot less money yeah so we solved the 980ti become the 1070 in the last generation if they do anything similar you'll just be at this point I almost wasting your money buying a 1080i through just gonna offer that for like half the price yeah yeah don't we know but yes what that did last time if you were desperate for a graphics card you're running something that's much slower than a gtx 980ti then we would say yeah the prices have come down it's yeah probably not a terrible time and you'll get at least a few months of good gaming that you wouldn't have got otherwise with a twenty seven hundred and an rx 584 gigabyte be enough for gaming and streaming 1080p 60fps pretty simple one here Steve yeah well I could answer that with a simple yes I suppose but well the risin 720 700 perfectly fine cpu for streaming you wouldn't want to do I suppose with that configuration you wouldn't want to do any GPU encoded streams there's no point so you might as well get the maximum performance you can out of the GP or a CPU do the work because there should be a few threads on the rise and seven CPU sitting around doing nothing so stream you'll give them something to do we've talked about this Tim and I a bit about different streaming configurations and stuff and hopefully next month I'll be tackling that one cycle that one in a lot more detail for you yep but in short yep all right next up would an i7 6700 K be enough to drive all GPUs coming in the future get your crystal ball out so a gtx 1180 TI is an example so 1180 TI and beyond so Tim what is it I think it will be enough to drive the next generation of GPUs especially if you overclock the CPU but like with all these sort of things beyond that it's pretty hard to say it's likely going to be good for some time to come but you know it has because it has four cores and eight threads but you know if you have a 6700 ki certainly hold on to it for now this time next year they could be some more attractive options with higher core cats but I think for next-gen GPUs you should be fine with that sort of CPU all right chef asks I have a 290x with a risin 70 1700 would it make sense to move to an RX 5 ad or Vega 56 when they go on discount or wait for their next line up I have a free sink Mona that's why I'll stay with a and B what do you reckon now we've answered a few questions similar to it it's not exactly like this okay well basically the r9 290x art from being are still a very capable graphics card or GPU it's not really worth upgrading to the rx 580 because they're pretty similar in terms of performance you have to saturate the 4 gigabyte vir and buffer of the 290x to see the RX 580 pull ahead by any sort of noteworthy margin so what else we got Vega 56 was the other one that's a decent step up in terms of performance from a 2 on e^x not massive but it's decent I mean it's similar to how the rx 580 and Vegas stack up but again I re pretty certain we're getting those new NVIDIA GPUs in a few months so yeah I don't know that's a tough one again it probably someone asked about the gtx 980ti and i think this is a similar situation the r9 290x is still very capable graphics card so for now I would probably just settle with tweaking your quality settings and I'm shooting about he did mention the free sync monitor sorry I just scrolled back and saw that so the Nvidia cards consume won't be of interest cuz you want to keep your free sync support so in that case you're going to just have to wait for AMD to pull their finger I think it's much I think unless you go for like a Vega 64 then all of those other cards they're too expensive for what they're offering again you probably wait till next year yeah you'll be wait until next year to see what they do then and hopefully they do something yep exciting are there any infos on motherboards support for Intel's 8 core CPU canons ed 370 handle or will Intel come around the corner with another excuse to make people upgrade again keep up the good work guys thanks I keep up the good questions but yeah thank you and we talked about this in quite a bit of depth on our patron livestream so Tim had some strong opinions on that one but all it Tim yeah I think like with all sort of future products you again we don't really know at the moment but we do know that they are going to replace the said 370 with is every night because Intel's actually leaked their own documents about it so we kind of already know all the features we're still uncertain whether the said 370 or the through nine and what will be the support there for eight core CPUs i think zed 390 will definitely support eight core and yes I would suspect at this point that Z 370 won't support eight core I'm not 100% sure but I think that's why it's kind of heading him knowing Intel you know they love to update their motherboard like that it would be a shame though if the rest of the ninth gen CPUs didn't weren't supported on said 370 at all it seems like they're basically just eight gen CPUs with slightly faster clock so if they're not supported on said 370 that would be a bit of a mess I reckon a catastrophic mess let's hope that isn't the situation okay so neil has asked a long one here I'm gonna summarize it briefly but basically it comes down to will you ever do triple monitor benchmarks instead of 1080p and 4k triple Mona builds you know it was a niche market three to five years ago but not anymore I'm not sure triple monitor is more than a niche market I like it was I think it's fairly similar to three to five years ago in fact and even I thought so it's probably even less popular now that ultra wide motors are a thing because for example I used to run a triple motor set up by 310 Islanders but as soon as those 21:9 1440p moves became available upgrades to that and I think the experience is actually better so for most people I'd recommend using 21:9 over your triple monitor setup I think back in the days when we're sort of doing triple monitor stuff you could quite easily sort of infer your sort of performance you're gonna get from either your 1080p or 4k benchmarks like it won't be exact but for example if you've got a triple 1080p setup and you're you're wondering if your GPU can run a game if you can run it at 4k to run a triple 10 pixels so yeah basically pixels are pixels so I think because it's so nice it's probably not something we'd be looking at testing too much we'd stick to the sort of standard resolutions that people are actually using but like what I do with 21:9 I like with what a lot of people do with triple monitor you should just be looking at sort of those sort of inferences that you can make from and we do provide but I like to Pomona testing I like triple monitor gaming I like ultra wide so it's still nice and good for racing games as you mentioned that's it I like I'll do enjoy racing games I don't have too much time playing but I've played a bit of F 1 2017 great game enjoy that as for the peripherals the wheels and that I know if we're sort of have these sort of expertise to do those kind of reviews justice like I said I enjoy playing around with them but yeah I don't feel comfortable sort of giving people buying advice on that kind of hardware we'd have to you know spend a lot of time and energy and investment I think to do that justice so might not be something you'll see from us but you never know I'm sure there's enthusiasts racing people out there that will tell you which ones of those are the best absolutely okay so I have Rison 526 hundred and a be 350 motherboard should I upgrade to X 470 or stick with my B 350 or maybe you have another advice would that be a B 450 board which is pretty much as far as I can tell the be 350 board yeah to answer your question not really I don't think there's much point less there's feature missing on your be 350 board maybe you bought a really low end be 350 board it doesn't have some sort of features there on the X 470 boards I can't really think of any other reason to recommend it performance wise you shouldn't be out you shouldn't be missing out on anything there again unless it's a really entry-level be 350 board and perhaps you're doing some sort of overclocking that it's not allowing you to max out your CPU but again he has a rise in 520 600 that would be more of a problem I think on the rise and 7 2 CPUs that's true overclocking on B 350 with rise in fire I think it's been fine for most people yeah look I've got nothing for I can't think of any reason why you should be apart from the fact like said if there's some sort of feature you're missing on the be 350 board yeah ok so next question is I was wondering since AMD made obviously a great deal about rise in our laptops how come that we barely seen notebooks in any shape or form on the market can be related to jus be some marketing practices enacted by Intel over the years or is it just a segment on the market that simply lost traction yeah it's it's hard to say what what sort of happened with rising laptops there's been a few that have been announced but it seems like they've either been pretty slow to hit the market or they're just not available in certain territories and there's not a lot of options I'm not necessarily sure whether it's you know dubious marketing practices by Intel it's just rising in laptops is a very new segment that's been utterly dominated by Intel for the best part of a decade they've been absent for too long yeah and especially with pre-built systems that you know a company like Dell or HP whoever is making there tend to be just stick with what they know especially because you know they've often designed motherboards that they use for generations they designed cooling solutions that are appropriate so I think it's just a situation where you know on the desktop front people can do whatever they want they can just buy whatever processor that's good was on laptops is still just you know trying to gain a bit of adoption there and they still trying to trying to break into the mic so hopefully we see more laptops and some of them are some laptops that exist actually reach the market I think by this time next year it'll be much different yeah I think once we start to get to the laptop the new laptop season which is towards the end of the year usually when Intel releases their new processes and hopefully we'll have a bit more competition between your Intel offerings and rise and offerings in the same sort of form factors that'll be really cool serious question time can you do a back flip on camera well sure answer that one not if you want to say any benchmarks next week hey Steve which AIO would you recommend for a thread Ripper CPU 1950 X or do be best use a custom loop cooling solution best air cooling for overclocking usage in productivity workloads so what do you use okay will custom loop cooling so that's I assume he means open-loop yeah I think so so I mean that's hugely expensive totally different chalk and cheese so if you'll want an open-loop system you can't really compare that with air but for thread grip 9050 X is overkill anyway because they don't overclock that well they're not bad so I have the nm ax lick tech Lea tech tech tech so I've got that it's the tr4 version naturally and I have the 280 millimeter version so that's only one liquid cooler and it also comes in 240 millimeter and sixty millimeter versions so that that's really good I love that it's got a huge block on it so that's made obviously for the tr4 socket also made for the tr4 socket is the inoculate air cooler so they have some really good air coolers I've also tested some of those I think in terms of performance the only one liquid cooler and the NOx where pools are very similar I'm not sure which one's better there I think maybe the only one liquid cool is a smidgen better not sure it's probably probably doesn't justify the price increase but I really like it anyway the lick tech okay some business ideas here any collaboration ideas with Dollar Shave Club I think you go has a perfect for it what is he trying to say stiff mg and is already taking advantage of his fabulous facial hair structure and making some profit to support the channel and they doing Dollar Shave Club at Davis next I don't know who knows I've missed it if they are well yeah sure I don't sign us up yeah sounds like fun to us and a bit of money oh good both good okay so IB slices asked a really good question in a discord chat for our patrons he says Bob she says when you guys bench it's always in a controlled setup in reality most of us have many apps running and sometimes things like a plex server in the background how much of a performance it can that cause and what apps maybe the worse that affect the CPU or GPU so I think a lot of the time when you're sort of gaming in particular you're not really utilizing things like your CP your memory at a hundred percent so running things like you know a plex server can be intensive if it's doing its encoding stuff but other things like your Chrome or discord or Chad apps or even just running Steam and that sort of thing has very little performance impact what you're doing in crack yeah yeah for the most part yeah but I think you wanted to do some testing on this some sort of price to bed once and for all well I don't think I'm that naive but I'll give it a go I would like to do some testing on it it's difficult game as Nexis had a shot at it and basically concluded that it's too inaccurate which yeah makes sense I think at least putting to bed like how much Chrome 50 chrome tabs open how much impact that does have which should be nothing if you're watching a 4k YouTube video introduces some CPU overhead so yeah it's an interesting thing to look into so that's something we'll do in a future video and I always implies is it super slicer IB slice it's a male so sorry mate not Sal Kagan no not so okay so Sal asks what would the specs of the first PC you guys ever built and how long ago was it this must be freaking ancient stuff for you why are these always come up well I've said it before on these QA so but Sal is a relatively new and relentless member it was a seller on well my personal computer ants bought computers I use as a Kip at my first ever computer that I built was an Intel Celeron 300 a overclocked it to 450 475 something like that that's that megahertz for you kids watching single core stuff that was on an eye open motherboard maybe we had this alien stuff you have to relive all this everyone can we just cut that from the previous QA I saw sudden I opened motherboard I had a 16 megabyte voodoo banshee AGP can't remember the storage it was a beige case yeah yeah I had it first PC I built was like an Intel Celeron II 2100 series I think that's core to Judaism Core 2 Duo days yeah that sort of days that I put in a Radeon HD 4850 I think that was the first as the first PC I built at the obviously again my parents a I remember reviewing that not that long ago yeah I was more than 10 years ago to be fair but yeah I'd some pcs of an upgraded before then that would sort of more that my parents bought but that was the first one I'd built by myself I think I'd like maybe 2 or 4 gig of ram in there and man I was so proud of myself when that thing was off and firing and playing games like for three it was I was right I was on Windows 98 playing command called her gold or something like that I think not yet yeah Jessica Amy wasn't that far after us barely born well what operating system was on yours it could have been Vista yep and that's it for this month's Q&A video we've got two videos that already filled with questions I hope you guys enjoyed some of our responses over the past couple of videos as always don't forget to subscribe we do these every month usually if we can be bothered to get around to it we do it every month come on well alright fair enough we do them every month so subscribe 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