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welcome back to harbor unbox it is part two of the June QA and once again my my mate Tim he's out of action still sick so just me and we're gonna burn through a few questions here we actually have quite a lot of questions here this is going to be a patreon exclusive not exclusive to watch just patreon questions from our patreon discord so if if you want to ask questions there you can sign up I think it's about 12 for the discord access but you can jump over the page and have a look at the tiers there anyway I'm gonna try not waffle on a lot during this one and see how efficiently I can get through these questions so I'm not too good at this so wish me luck I suppose okay the first one here is from reg Maxwell is M ATX dying so is micro ATX dying I don't think so there are a few Z 390 micro ATX motherboards and said 390 some a premium Intel platform so I don't think they're dying and although there are only about I think it's for Zed 390 micro ATX boards there were only about 4s at 170 boards so over those generations things haven't changed too much there and there really aren't a lot of mini ITX boards either but I think Mini ITX is probably sort of if you're going for a small form-factor PC people generally gravitate towards mini ITX because you don't really get that much more with micro ATX boards and things like crossfire and SLI aren't particularly popular anymore so yeah you might as well get a truly small computer if you're going for a small computer otherwise of course there's standard ATX which is called standard ATX because it's the more standard form factor and then as for AMD well obviously I believe this question has arise because there are very few AMD micro ATX motherboards and that's just purely because in the past AMD hasn't moved the kind of volumes Intel has but now that AMD motherboards moving more or they're seeing more AMD motherboard sales and they were previously especially relative to Intel I think we will start to see more AMD micro ATX motherboards so valve is only 1 X 5 an example that's from us as rock but I think we will see some more so yeah somebody keep an eye on but I don't think it's necessarily dying it just hasn't been hugely popular at any point in time at least as far as I'm aware okay next question here is from trogir holic so it seems the main spotlight was on Xen 2 /x 570 which are you more excited for there's n 2 CPUs or the X 570 motherboards well then - definitely on that one the X 570 boards certainly do look nice and there's a huge amount of them but I'm much more excited for the Zen 2 processors because that's really where that's really where all the performance and all the excitement comes from and you can use them just as well on while we think you can use them just as well on B 450 X 470 motherboards I'm probably most excited for the Rison 5 series the 3600 the 3600 X and I'm really keen to see how maybe the 3600 works on B 450 boards that should be an ultimate value combo I'm gonna go back to showing my phone sideways they just wave to small these these images of the questions so brain says now rise on 3000 supports PCI you four regardless of people's current components and how worthwhile it may be to upgrade do you think it's the perfect time if people are considering it now that we have ddr4 PCIe for nvme and so basically he's asking for people who have been holding off do you think that the rise in 3000 series is now a big enough incentive that you get so many platform features P so you for being the the newest of those and I think if you've been stuck on ivy bridge-e Sandy Bridge or even Haswell and I skip the AMD FX series here because if you haven't upgraded yet well you'll probably stick anything here but I think for those people who are on those older Intel platforms I believes into is probably what you've been holding out for I can't why I have to bench market and check but it looks like yeah there's going to be a lot of a lot of extra performance there and many new platform features that will warrant the upgrade next one's from tough the go just sort of random production question but when you're doing a show floor stuff like Computex do you film a full audio track on-site and then just rerecord it so without the background noise or do you write up a quick script after you edit all the footage together good question that one we've found for us the most time-consuming approach delivers the best quality for you guys so that means we film just the intro and the outro for the video at the booth because it's just very difficult to film at the booth full stop and then as you've noticed the audio quality is not great then we gather all the necessary information a crap ton of b-roll then we go back to the hotel room or wherever we're staying we write a script so it's all quite quite well scripted hopefully or it flows rather nicely then we record it and then lay in the b-roll and yeah that's how we put them together it's about I don't know 20 times longer I'm just plucking a number it's significantly longer to do it that way than just to grab the mic and wing it on the showroom floor but I think at the end of the day the result is much better we don't miss any information we get to spend more time getting higher-quality b-roll and I think just the end presentation is a lot better you guys seem to think so anyway so I suppose that's the main thing okay next question here is from M Solis and it's directed at me and Tim obviously I'll handle this one who have you met that combi Tex or who do we meet at Computex I manage any talks with GN or Linus etc unfortunately we didn't catch up with Steve gamers Nexus and the team we were going to catch up with them on the last night go to a sort of a youtuber get-together but those guys pulled out because one of the guys got sick so that's fair enough so they were getting medication and whatnot and taking care of him before the long flight at home absolutely terrible time to get sick so ya feel for those guys having to deal with that I think Steve himself sounded pretty sick towards the end of Computex as well so that's probably going around now with those guys thankfully Tim and I mostly avoided it though I got sick when we got back just one of those things that happens when you travel I did meet on that night we caught up with Carl from bit wit that's always a lot of fun and his wife wife wife II I was gonna say wifey his wife Heather she's very nice we caught up with if the guys from hardware canucks always great seeing them early from optimum tech got to meet him briefly so that was nice we sort of come up with everyone quite briefly because it was yeah just going around there were so many people to talk to Wendell from level one text was there and cut wrist from an antique was there Who am I forgetting there was there was a lot of people there obviously we had Jared from Jared's tech there so there was a lot of people there it was really cool like I said we didn't really get to talk to anyone for too long it's really actually Luke from Linus tech tips was there as well it was very layout in there and there was just a whole lot of us and yes it was hard to talk to anyone for too long but that same day we did meet up with Luke again for quite a long time I don't know how many hours we ended up spending with Luke but it was like four or five so we caught up with him for lunch and then we went for a walk and we got chatting and yeah it was first time I've ever met Luke super nice guy very casual timid I had a lot of fun just chatting with him he seemed to enjoy the chat with us and yeah it was a really good time so that's one of the that's certainly the highlight of Computex for us is meeting the other guys in the industry and having talks with them and catch ups and whatnot so yeah that was that day with Luke was yeah a real highlight for both Tim and I okay next question is from Megillah majulah sorry if we've ironed out this this name the pronunciation of your name before and I've got it wrong yeah I'm terrible with names what can I tell ya so I'll just read the question actually I can do that what are the chances that 16-lane video cards that don't saturate the pcie 3.0 bus will be refactored to become PCIe four times eight cards to free up lanes for other things 4k video capture cards 10 Gigabit Ethernet MDOT 2 expansion cards etc I'd say there's zero chance of that happening with existing graphics cards because they can't simply be reworked to support the PCI 4.0 spec so unless AMD or Nvidia update their silicon to include PCIe a 4.0 support that just isn't going to happen and then most X 570 boards they only have a single PCIe slot connected to the CPU because the a.m. for Zen through CPUs have 16 lanes so there isn't there's a lot it's very complex wiring up these slots and the further they are away from the CPU the more difficult it is to avoid interference with the signaling so most X 570 boards have just a single slot anyway so you can't split between two slots on most of the boards some of them you'll be able to but you only Babbage out with narvi graphics cards for now but it's the situation they have anyway there's no chance that they're going to rework existing graphics cards in my opinion maverick a name I can pronounce do you guys plan on doing a ram speed test at various speeds with the news into CPUs with either the initial review or a more in-depth review later on and then it gives an example of a few memory speeds yeah that's 100% something I will be doing I expect pretty much all media to look at this in some capacity will probably briefly touch on it in the review in fact I'm certain will briefly touch on it in the review time permitting gosh I hope we get more than a day with these things anyway I would like to briefly touch on the review but there will absolutely be at least one big in-depth follow-up video if not multiple so yep definitely be doing that next one is from M slice will be die still be a thing for Eisen 3000 and X 570 or won't it matter anymore yeah it'll probably still be a thing I know B die production has now ended but it is still the best DRM at the moment so I imagine that will deliver the best results how much of a difference or make compared to your other steppings I don't know we'll find out okay the next question here is from you seek every brand brags about the compatible ram speeds on X 570 like 4500 do you think it's going to be a X 570 thing or is it based on actual memory controller and the CPU alone what I mean is will be 450 /x 470 have some RAM overclocking capabilities okay hmm well I think for the really high memory speeds you'll probably require a good quality X 570 motherboard again this is all guesswork guys I haven't actually tested it yet I don't think many or possibly any of the be 450 boards will be able to run at the really high speeds like well over 4,000 again I'm guessing that said Amy's kind of already let the bag the bag the cat out of the bag yeah I'll start again that said I am DS already kind of let the cat out of the bag on this one as it looks like going above what is it I think it was 37 33 I memory spec we don't really test that I think they used to CL 17 memory anyway at about 37 33 around that spec the Infinity fabric is at a one-to-one ratio and therefore you get optimal performance however going above that the Infinity fabric and the memory then change to a two to one ratio and that really hurts latency so I think it was DDR 438 66 right up to I think they tested up to like 4400 that'll almost be certainly slower than 37 33 for gaming just because of the increased latency when running at that two to one ratio so yeah I don't think memory speeds gonna be too much of an issue anyway for the B 450 boards because they'll probably do 37:33 I don't know again I'm guessing these questions are hard to ahead sir next question here is from Breaking dimes did any motherboard a vendors at Computex mention user replaceable chipset fans on X 570 boards okay so no one mentioned any specifics of replaceable fans to us but MSI did stress that the fans on their boards will pretty well outlive the board's usefulness so a huge amount of run time when those on those fans again we're just taking them at their word we don't know how hard it is to replace these things or obviously under warranty it won't be an issue and they shouldn't fail under warranty but things that can fail often do so not sure on that one we're also really not sure how much the fans actually run we're getting conflicting reports on how often the fans spin up whether it's just when you're using nvme drives in raid zero or just even one nvme drive or what the situation is there so that's something we'll have to look into test a few different configurations few different boards to see how aggressively these fans spin and how often but for everything we're hearing the fans don't spin too aggressively and they don't spin too often so longevity really shouldn't be an issue but of course I'll get back to you on that one shortly peter hamana 11 with intel creating the f-series cpus without AI GPUs do you see future motherboards moving the eye GPU back to the chipset yeah no chance that one's happening for multiple technical reasons but basically chipset graphics would be horrible much much much more horrible than any kind of CPU graphics so they'd basically be unworkable today so the reason the f-series well the reason I suspect again I haven't done a huge amount of research into this and most of it's speculation anyway but what makes sense to me what I'm what I suspect is that juda Intel's processor shortage and their need for more competitively priced processors they've decided to sell CPUs that they would have otherwise just deemed as defective and thrown out and that is CPUs without working GPUs for whatever reason that there's some part of the GPU that's defective or maybe the whole GPU block is defective in the silicon they've decided now to shut that off and sell it as an F skew without integrated graphics rather than throwing them out so they're maximizing profits there and they're a bit more competitive on those parts also what would suggest to me that they're wanting to maximize profits there and be a bit more competitive with those parts rather than solder them they've gone back to using paste for some of those chips so I think there's a stepping number you can look up and find out what kind of thermal interface material they're using but yeah I think it's just an exercise to save money and maximize profit I don't expect we'll see any chipset GPU solutions ever again next questions from Shanna in the event that the new Rison 7 & 9 performs better in gaming over overclocked 99 or okay what motherboards are you guys intending to pair it with would it be something like an x5 70 or s master extreme MSI's x5 70 god-like creation or something else okay well I suppose for our test systems we'll probably use a high-end board as we've always done just to ensure maximum performance and stability and all that sort of stuff because we generally test GPU performance with overclocked CPUs so best that there's no funny business there impacting results such as throttling or whatnot so we would use a high-end board probably one of the bores you mentioned there because they seem to be the three of the the best boards or better boards that we'll be seeing from the x5 70 series but I'm really hoping that something like a the MSI B 450 tomahawk for example that works just as well and that's something I'll be looking into in my day one coverage okay silent game asks with calories being an actual player in cyberpunk 2077 do you expect it to be a trend so that is Hollywood movie stars in motion capture suits and having their own character could we get a Bruce Willis with hair I honestly have no idea that's outside my area of expertise I really like Keanu Reeves think he's a really cool guy and cyberpunk looks like an awesome game I'm not sure making it a trend spending big bucks on these actors really enhances gameplay so I'm not sure that's something we do want to see having said that though maybe it is something that it's worth doing for them maybe they're seeing a significant increase in game copies being sold than they would have without Cannery of so that's possibly hard to work out I don't know I'm not a CD projects account at though so I have no idea how well this is gonna work out for them anyway I think Gianna Roos is cool I think the game looks really good beyond that I haven't got much else to say on that one okay next question here is from Brian again this one is directed it may and Tim but obviously I'll I'll speak for Tim on this one since he's not here what are the specs of your main editing / work machines do use software or hardware accelerated encoding in applications such as Premiere Pro my perception is having something like a 20 80 would yield the fastest results but is that no longer the case with things such as thread Ripper okay I use the thread repair 29 at 50x on the msi x3 99 creation 64 gigabytes of ddr4 memory and a vega 56 graphics card reason I use Vega 56 just because I had one of those spare I'd have to use doubles basically of any graphics cards I have and I usually don't have too many doubles had to Vega 56 one for testing one for me works out quite nicely I edit all my 4k footage without any problems encoding is really fast I do use GPU acceleration though because it helps significantly doesn't really matter what CPU have if you can utilize the GPU as well that's just going to speed things up as for Tim well he was on Rison 7 and then he ended up copying me and now he has a 2150 X with 64 gigabytes of RAM on the X 399 creation except he's gone on one up to me and he has GPU acceleration with an RT X 20 atti I think he games on that system as well so yeah at 4k anyway but that's Tim and my editing rings a sad or a sad have you tried fooling around with intel's xt you yet so that's our extreme tuning utility yeah i've been using that for quite some time now it's very useful and it's a very well made tool by intel you'll often find it featured in our intel related content especially when we do like erm testing on 390 motherboards and stuff like that it might really cool bit of software and if you are using intel cpus or Intel platforms which would be using Intel CPUs it's worth checking out if you like tinkering around with things and monitoring stuff ok the next questions from reckful do you guys think an msi be 450 gaming pro carbon could hold a 3100 x without any issues yeah it should be able to do it pretty easily I would have thought and the same goes for the 3900 X it's fair to say if it can't basically no be 450 or X 470 boards will be able to and certainly no 300 series boards will be able to so yeah fingers crossed it all works out quite nicely another question here from Maverick wouldn't be possible to add additional benchmarks for at least the first in-depth review of Verizon 3000 series in the form of DaVinci Resolve and Vegas in video rendering I'd really like to at this point though I have to say no it's looking almost impossible to include what I'm trying to include at this point and that's because this is probably actually I think it's fair to say this is the most difficult release I've ever had to cover in my almost 20 years of doing this job you'll know more soon but yeah the seventh of the seventh is it's gonna be a crazy time another question here from Brian we're seeing lots of mentions of erm in your and other channels videos I read what it is but what in your opinion is so important about it to require such attention and what do the phases and other key operational components of it mean okay so quick version I suppose so the voltage regulation module it's important because it will determine how well your board supports current and future CPUs it impacts things like stability quite heavily it'll determine how hot the board runs so what the vrm area of the motherboard which is the main thing maybe not with X 570 but it'll determine things like thermal output of the motherboard and especially how well it handles overclocking so let's say you bought a B 450 board that didn't handle the Rison 720 700 X that well and that was the case for quite a few of the seuss and gigabyte models that we looked at they around really hot with the 2700 X installed then something like a 3,800 X and in particular the 3900 X they're really going to be right on the edge and probably struggle even with out-of-the-box performance I don't know if we'll see throttling that's something I'll look into but yeah those boards are right on the edge are probably going to struggle and then we have boards like I've talked about it before the MSI B forth a few tomahawk and carbon pro they rival the best X 470 boards which is why I bring them up a lot they're really good value they have higher quality verum components and they should be fine and noticeably better than other B 450 boards but again we'll look into that shortly for you okay question here from Nick do you have any theories as to weigh in AMD's p our slides for these n2 parts there is a performance improvement in gaming going from 8 core parts or 12 core parts I mean it's not like many games let alone the older ones in a performance improvement from adding it more cause yeah that's quite interesting I am seeing in some titles a strong performance improvement when going from six to eight cause I know that's not what you're talking about here but we'd say that 2700 over the 2600 X the 1800 X over the 1600 X titles such as Assassin's Creed Odyssey world was a hit man - and I suppose to a lesser extent battlefield 5 and show of the Tomb Raider for most games though you have absolutely right going from even just six to eight cause sees very little difference so from eight cores to 12 cores yeah quite surprising there may be again a title like Assassin's Creed Odyssey that might see a performance improvement I'd be surprised but maybe it will I haven't yeah it's not something we've really looked at with similar architectures because it hasn't really been possible supposed to the sky like X but we haven't done much testing with those parts again we don't know how the Chipola design impacts performance you would think it wouldn't be a positive but again we know nothing really about it at this point apart from what AMD's told us so in the next few weeks you'll know a lot more so I guess we'll just have to wait till then another question here from reckful again when you guys do Zen - reviews we'll be running the 3600 to the 3800 X on B 450 boards would love to see that for some reassurance yeah 100% do that that's something yeah I definitely plan on doing next questions from Shanna Steve do you have a 69 or K / 59 60 X in hand if so can you see how they compare and fare in 2019 against horizon sevens so I do have both those CPUs in fact I well I've just finished making a video with the 600 K and that'll be on the channel tomorrow so you'll see the 1800 X I'll put the 7700 K and they're just out of interest against the $6 okay so yeah you can expect an 1800 X 27 hundred and thirty-eight hundred x battle against the 600 k soon okay question here from exatly Thor after I saw the video about paid reviews I wonder if a company asks you to take money to say only good things a product but you don't sign any kind of contract can you screw them over like if there isn't something official to prove why they send you the money they can't sue you right I'd say for that sort of thing it would be payment upon delivery like I said in the video we believe you have to submit the content ahead of time that's what it seemed like when we got a bit more information and then it goes through an approval process and after that then you can publish the content and then I suppose after that point at some point you'd get paid yeah I don't think that payment things that under the table quite I think I think it's all done quite officially it's just sponsored content so and I like I said most of the guys are declaring it as sponsored content which I suppose is fine I just don't like the idea of doing reviews that have to be approved and you can only say positive things about the product and not highlight the negatives that's just well it's a paid advertisement obviously and I think it really discredits anyone who does them but yeah that's all I really want to say on that one Jessica Steve would you consider doing an FX 8350 versus core i5 a 3550 in 2019 comparison I'm yeah maybe I'm not sure there's much demand to see those two CPUs battle it out in 2019 technically I suppose it could be interesting but I think with what we have on our plate now it's probably not something I'd get to for a while and there's probably a long list of more interesting comparisons so if I can make that one happen I will but yeah and I think it's gonna happen anytime soon unfortunately okay next up Sal Kang and Steve for QA yep that's why you put in the Q&A section mate what do you think the practical performance difference at real-world settings for gaming will be between Rison a five seven and nine firstly sorry about the minor burn there Sal I'm sure you recover Nick did ask a similar question earlier on that I addressed I feel for the most part there won't really be any difference for gaming especially as you sound a sort of your more realistic conditions higher quality settings higher resolutions where you're mostly GPU bound I think yeah I think there'll be very little difference at all which is why I think the rise in 5:30 600 is going to be a hot item just a really good value see CPU for gamers right now but anyway well we'll find out shortly jelly the saint has a nice short question here for us I'll try and blast through this as quick as I can okay Steve according to popular opinion you are now the benchmark God how's your ascension to godhood given you any sort of special powers like your ability to one-shot trolls in a comment section I was born with that gift is that one of the powers you got if so did your ascension come with any other real-life powers like can you get your wife or kids to listen to you for example or are your powers mostly restricted to the nerd realm very funny question that well firstly I appreciate the love you guys show for the benchmarks it makes all the time and effort well worthwhile sadly though yeah the title you guys have awarded me well my my kids and my wife my wife in particular don't recognize it so yeah no special real-life powers to speak of they certainly don't listen to me so yeah it's just anyway shanks asks do you think there will be any performance differences in the stock or overclocked using a 3000 series horizon with be 350 board compared to newer chipsets do you think there'll be a notable difference between a how a mid tier be 350 and a mid tier be 550 unreleased be 550 motherboard overclocked with a 3000 series chip well I can't really answer the be 550 thing because we don't really know much about them but yeah overclocked the lorem boards will probably be more limited but I think stock hopefully they won't be aimed if kind of already said that out of the box the performance should be identical but we'll know more about that soon as I've said quite a few times in this video Nico's s what motherboard / chipset will you recommend to someone who wants to build a new PC with Rison 3000 CPU for example r5 3600 oh it's interesting you mentioned the 3600 because that's the CPU I've been heavily talking up in this video but again it's impossible to say right now I'm guessing that the r5 3600 will be a good value CPU and I'm guessing it'll work well with a decent B 450 board I think that should be a killer combo that is my guess okay I think we'll wrap this up here I've got one last question from trogir holic Steve Tim with all the hard work that this channel puts into benchmarks of games application et cetera Jeff ease the workflow by sending the raw data to any friends supporters freelancers to crunch the numbers make graphics and organize everything in a way that you can read it or is it all done by you two if the latter which part of the process is the most time-consuming and would you ever consider reaching out these processes to ease up the workloads I suppose outsourcing those things love the content really looking forward towards into coverage maybe even more so than the product itself well firstly thank you for all of that we don't outsource anything because it's just it's actually just more efficient and more accurate for us to do ourselves I don't really trust anyone else to do the benchmarking for the stuff I do and then I trust him to do his stuff so you know I like to do the benchmarking it gives me sort of I like the hands-on approach I definitely don't want to outsource the data because sometimes it's quite easy to make mistakes in Excel and that messes things up I mean on occasion I've I've made a mistake but yeah I like to be responsible for my own mistakes I suppose it's pretty hard to get people involved with this sort of stuff I think possibly at some point if the channel got big enough we could look at hiring a full-time editor that would certainly help but again they have to be really familiar with all the ins and outs of of the components and the benchmarks and all the stuff we talked about so yeah getting an editor's a possibility don't think I'd ever hire anyone else to do the benchmarking I enjoy doing that myself yeah so that's that really oh and sorry I almost forgot just had to reread the comment again quickly what part is the most time-consuming depends on the content we're making for the benchmark videos absolutely the benchmarking phases by far the most time-consuming part but I also really enjoy it so it's one of the more fun parts for me as weird as that may sound but all the parts are really time-consuming for a review like for Zen - they'll be quite a few hours spent getting b-roll quite a few out many hours spent scripting stupid amount of time spent benchmarking a lot of time spent editing and getting it all together so there's really you know there's a lot of time-consuming aspects of making the content that we make hey I am starting to lose my voice a bit it's one of those things where I haven't fully recovered from that thing that I caught on the way back from Computex if I talk for too long my throat dries out and it gets a bit bit uncomfortable I've got a lot of lot of content I've got to do over the next few weeks so I've got to take it easy but I think that was that was a lot of questions we got through there so anyway thank you for watching thank you to all our patrons you invaluable to the channel the lifeblood of the channel in a way so thank you for all your questions thank you for your support and thank you to everyone else who watch this video we appreciate all of you anyway that is gonna do it for this one sorry Tim couldn't be here he'll definitely be here for next month's QA whether he's sick or not and yeah that that's it for this one thank you for watching I'm your host Dave I'll see you again next time