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welcome back to how to run box this live stream you're watching now is a little different to our usual content on hardware box we don't usually do live streams on the main channel we normally keep all that stuff for our patreon but today we're doing something that will probably interest you guys for a few minutes and then become extremely boring we certainly don't expect you to watch this entire live stream so what's happening here well the goal is basically distress test our NVIDIA GeForce r-tx 20 ATT I found as additional graphics card and that's for a number of reasons we've all heard about the higher the normal failure rate for our TX 28 he T is specifically those that use the founders edition design either the FE cards themselves or board partner models that use the same PCB so far our card hasn't shown any issues but we also haven't been using it for extended periods of time what piqued our interest was an article from Kyle Bennett over at Hard OCP a little over a week ago now he purchased 2fe 20 ATT eyes from nvidia and one died with the space invaders issue while gaming when his replacement card arrived he put it through a stress test running unit in heaven for about eight hours which the card passed but then failed to boot after the system shut down with the card basically being pronounced dead from there on his first dead card used micron G DDR 6 memory and the replacement used Samsung G DDR 6 memory and both died so basically we were curious whether our card would die under a similar lengthy stress test we have used the card for some game testing for longest periods of time but not 8 hours or more we haven't seen any Space Invaders issues or really any other problems with the FE card but there's a possibility that a long stress test will kill the card similar to what happened with hard o cepes unit and this is where this livestream comes in basically we're going to be running the heaven benchmark in the loop on the ITX 2080 TI for the next 48 hours or more while recording the whole thing and rather than simply recording it to local storage we figured it would be maybe somewhat interesting at least easier to stream the whole thing so you guys can occasionally check back to see how it's progressing and we'll also have a handy video ready to go in case there's any problems it will be right here in the video to replay neither Steve no I believe the card will die will be very surprised if the card dies we certainly aren't expecting it to die but we want to be absolutely 100% sure the card is a good one and this is a perfect way to validate in fact I'll be shocked if the card dies considering it's been fine up to this point we do know that the card we have uses micron memory and like all founders Edition ITX cards runs pretty hot the backplate in particular gets scorching hot under load so so hot that you know to swap the card during GPU benchmarks prefer to use oven mitts at times if the card really is running say the memory and heat levels outside specifications then a 48 hour stress test could cause lasting damage that a couple of hours in a game would not if the card is going to fail it would be something like this causing the problem at least that's our best guess again we really don't expect it to die to be clear we aren't running the r-tx 2080 ti overclock this is the card running at stop clocks in a stressful situation but something the card definitely should be able to handle after all these cards are built and should be built to handle 100% utilization for long periods of time and should have built-in failsafe to prevent the card from running at dangerous temperatures voltages or whatever because this is a test at stock clocks we expected to survive without any dramas in fact if it does die I'll be pretty annoyed because I have to go an hour made the card and we don't have a lot of 2082 eyes around here for testing right now so we really want it to survive so the card is currently in my core i7 8700 k test rig normally we overclock the CPU but I've taken it back to stock settings for this test it's also got 16 gigabytes of ddr4 3000 memory inside and a Corsair RM 750 X power supply the motherboard is a gigabyte 370 horas gaming ultra Wi-Fi and we have it all inside the be quiet dark bass 700 we're keeping everything under normal operating conditions so the case is closed we have a single 120 millimeter exhaust fan while the intakes are 2 140 millimeter fans on the be quiet silent loop 280 that's our CPU cooler installed in the front you'll see all this in a second when we switch to the view of our system right we also have some thermocouples attached to the system we have one directly on GPU backplate which is one of the hottest areas of the card we also have a GPU exhaust reading a case ambient reading and a general room an ambient reading so as we go we'll monitor these temperatures from time to time so this has been a pre-recorded message simply to make starting this livestream a bit easier in a moment I'll be switching over to the live view of the system running the stress test we'll start it up live on stream and I'll stick around for a little bit to answer some questions if any of you guys have some before leaving it running for the next 48 hours I might pop back in from time to time but basically you'll be left with a view of the PC running for the rest of the stream we don't expect anyone to actually watch the stream for its entirety please don't do that but you might find it interesting to check back every once in a while to see how it's going anyway I guess let's get to it hey guys so thanks for sitting through the recorded message that we had at the start of the video here you can see that yeah we're actually live at the moment this is the test running here I started this sort of at the start of the stream roughly ish so it's been running for maybe about five minutes and the GPU year it's already about 85 degrees Celsius and on the back of the card the thermocouple that's attached directly to the back of the GPU itself sitting in about 72 degrees and it's quite warm today it's been 30 degrees Celsius so it's probably I have to say about 25 in this room at the moment so yeah we're just gonna sit and watch this for the next 48 hours I'm not going to stay here for the whole 48 hours that'd be just crazy but I'll stick around for a little bit weren't there some questions and yeah so if you have any questions put them in the chat and we'll see how they are going at the moment and yes 86 degrees is quite warm at the moment it's quite warm in this room though and we're not running the fan setting sort of ridiculous speeds or anything just standard sort of quiet usurp here with the silent loop 280 in there and the rear fan on the back as well so yeah yeah not super stressful on the GPU but he's running warm and yeah fun time so yeah pretty much that's what's going on at the so let's check take a look what you guys sang in the chat here got my screen over on the side here for this thing as we mentioned at the start we don't expect the card to die at all so if you were wondering you know why are we doing this we just want to make sure that it's recorded on some sort of footage that we can see it and all that sort of thing so we don't expect it to die but if it does die we will get that footage on the screen and then we'll probably follow this up soon enough so is this why you guys never sleep yeah pretty much we do crazy stuff like this which is why we we never sleep at the moment Steve was out fishing today at the moment he's in the chat as well he might answer some questions for you if you have them there for him what did your eyes pick up link ever do to deserve a 48 hour stress test yeah that's I think that's fair enough we actually tested we did sort of a test stream on our extras channel that we don't really have anything on but we did that for about 15 hours yesterday nor a single drop frame so if my ISP is working well hopefully no dropped frames for this 48 hour version today is value really the best stress test look probably not if we were doing it we would probably use the more intensive stress test but we wanted to do that specifically because that's what hardware CP said that they used for their stress test so if you go and check their article I think we have a link in the description of this live stream to their thing where they say that they benchmarked or at least tested in heaven on a loop like we're doing here for eight hours and their car died the one that uses Samsung memory so we just want to make sure that we're using the exact same roughly the same conditions as they were doing with their cards and we think if our card passes that should be good for literally anything we can throw at it so this is pretty much the most stressful sort of yeah successful stock clock setting that you'll ever do pretty much did Steve catch any fish well according to him he did catch a few fish be sent them all back you have to pop in the pop in the chat Steve and tell everyone how you're doing for the for your fishing that was today it was really good weather today here in Australia 30 degrees sunny it was lovely so perfect perfect weather for fishing use 2080 TI ASO good enough for 144 Hertz 4k ultra very high quality gaming you probably don't need SLI for that set up the 28 DTI in a lot of games today can do 4k ultra 60fps so yeah I guess if you turn down the quality things to very high potential you get a fair few more frames something like battlefield 5 for example you can run out say 80 FPS on Ultra settings with the 28 eti so SLI yeah I guess if you add it you might be up to that one for you for Hertz range but again there are a lot of issues too with SLI for a lot of games at the moment plan on cooking a soft-boiled egg on it at those temperatures yeah we probably could I reckon it might take a little longer than we'd normally be used to in the boiling water but it's getting right up there what do the thermocouple say at the moment actually the back the backs at 32 degrees 73 degrees Celsius sorry at the moment 73 on the backplate so yeah what what would happen if it dies someone asked that in the chat as well what we really hope it doesn't because currently I think all up at hardware box we have 320 ATT is we've got the founders Edition card we've got the GeForce windforce 1 and I believe Steve as well it's got an horas one that you some I've seen a review of on the channel a couple of days ago so those are the only 20 a UTIs we have currently the gigabyte ones in my test system that one we use for testing so if one dies it's actually bad because we'll need to get our made and then yeah we'll be stuck with only two cards which I guess isn't the end of the world but certainly we don't want it to be dying on us so is the live stream for 48 hours yes the the live stream though we mean the live stream so chatting with you guys for I don't know until I get tired I want to go to because it's 10 p.m. here on a Saturday in Australia but then we'll switch to just a view of the screen here running for the remaining however many hours up until 48 hours from where the stream starts we might even leave it running for longer than that we really don't know and then yeah we'll stop it see if there's any issues we'll do some restarting of the system because hard OCPs card would seem to be fine throughout obviously was saying it was fine for that the whole test then it didn't boot after that so we're just wondering whether we see similar things or not and yet so how much is this card been used before doing this test so not a lot we tend to use you know for benchmarking and things you might use it for two hours of time three hours some of the stuff that I've done on the card was the quality comparisons you might have seen on the channel that would have been going for maybe like four or five hours at most so yeah can we have a timer I didn't really think of that so probably hard to put in somewhere unless we can figure out that how to get that going could you use live streaming what we'd love to live stream or there's a few logistical issues do I have to do some live streams with both Steve and I on the channel we'd live in separate locations though and Steve's internet attic his place in the countryside isn't great so yeah there's a few issues there but yeah we'd love to do a few more live streams we want to do sort of tests like this to see how you guys think about live streams so you can come and chat with us and see what's going on there and yeah so yeah if you like our live streams and yeah we might consider doing more in the future can you bet on how long until it dies well again we don't expect it to die but feel free to bet on it if you want are you monitoring power consumption not at the moment unfortunately what seems to be the main cause of the cards failing well that is still up in the air a lot of people have been doing various different tests whether that's you know they are not frequent tests but testing the thermals of the memory I've seen some you know thermal imagery of that gamers Nexus has done a lot of good investigations on the sort of issues with the r-tx 2082 i dying didn't seem to find any specific issue that was caused and you did a lot of things with like bio splashing down clocking trying to chill the cards all that sort of thing didn't seem to find any issues with the cards that did have the space invaders issue we think that if the card dies from this particular test that it won't get the space invaders issue because we haven't seen any inkling of the space invaders issue to this point if it dies we think it'll just stop working and then we won't be able to use it anymore like in the hydrocity article but yeah I guess we would sort of figure if that happens it might be temperature related but again this isn't really to sort of figure out what's going on with the 2080 eyes we've only got one card that we're testing at the moment it's just interesting to see how our sample is going at the moment as Steve mentioned a few of you guys we're matching the 200g overclocking that is a very interesting thing we're going to have our video tomorrow on that so roughly 24 hours from now Steve's done a full investigation of 200g overclocking with that particular budget CPU it's very interesting to see how that goes with the boards that can do it do you think the cards dying might be a vocal minority like the issue is blown up someone yeah I mean it's hard to say because we sort of have all these reports from people buying the cards and I think you're more likely to report on places like Reddit or other places if you've bought a $1200 GPU and then it's died you're probably going to be an enthusiast you more likely to be in the enthusiast community so again it's hard to sort of say what exactly is going to be the cause with sort of a general population of 20 ATT is out there I think it's unusual that we've seen this many reports of failing cards because for something like the 1080 try that's also an enthusiast audience should also expect them a lot of issues with that card people will be posting about it and we didn't see as many issues with the 1080 Ti so potentially there's some issues with the 2080 toi but again I guess NVIDIA is probably not going to tell us what's going on I hope they resolve the issue it sounds like they've been resolving the issue so yeah we just fingers crossed people buying 28 et eyes at the moment I can run to these issues in the future 86° the car seems to be running hot other fans maxed out on the card nope everything is running stock so the fans on this particular case are just on the basic sort of silent profile and then the GPUs left to do whatever it wants to do on the fans haven't touched anything it's all stock yeah so out of you and Steve who does the most GPU overclock can definitely stay for his benchmark videos I've o'clock the GPU in my main rig but that's pretty much it I did some overclock you know testing videos earlier for the 2080 and 2080 I but honestly I'm not big into sort of that testing that's more in Steve's domain so he definitely does more than that did I make a mistake with buying a 1070 TI for a good price on Black Friday absolutely not the card is very good value at the moment one of the cards we've been saying is probably the best value for 1440p gaming at the moment that and sort of Vega 56 as well so definitely not a big mistake buying the card on Black Friday I don't what price you got but there have been available for very cheap and yeah certainly now game averages where you know we get 25 games average the amount do the cost per frame 1070 t is right up there for 1440p how is your experience with your new thread Ripper Inc good question love my thread Ripper rig it's a really good if you didn't see my video I did upgraded from risin 7 1700 next to threaten 429 50 X video editing it's much faster it renders at least twice as fast just some of the things with like live previews and that are very good we have heard some reports and things like people saying Intel CPUs much snappier for sort of editing the editing process it is not the rendering process but everything in Premiere but honestly the 2950 X is a lot snap here for sort of the scrubbing through the timeline sort of jumping forward you know sort of all that sort of stuff that we'd normally do in Premiere adding effects it is much faster you know playing the footage a hit play it plays instantly it was the 1700 X might have had a small delay there so certainly being very impressed with that for gaming it's faster as well so love that about the 2950 X probably will need to add in some more storage and more memory into my system just to handle a few of those things when I'm being memory limited at the moment in terms of memory capacity because Premiere loves to guzzle the RAM but yeah look loving it it's great um what else have we got here why not overclock it and put it under more stress it's not really the point of the video to overclock we know that if you overclock it crazily that there's more of a chance it will die we want to see whether the card will die under stock conditions because that is what people would be reporting having issues with not overclocking their car but just running the card stock and potentially having it die after either a long period of stress for usage or the space invaders issue straight out of the box or soon after using it for a little bit so yeah we want to test it specifically stock just to make sure that you know once we run a test like this or 48 hours into passes and there's no issues that still works after this we know that we can throw anything at this card we're not gonna have any issues with it but probably not gonna have to RMA all that sort of things so yeah what framerate are you guys getting it's in this screen it should be in the top corner there it's probably pretty hard to see if it was like hundreds of FPS but right heaven runs really fast from the 2082 at 1080p it's crazy it's a really fast card what time is it there it's currently 10:20 p.m. so 10:20 p.m. on a Saturday and we're here making livestream videos for you guys so yeah fun and stuff when will your next face megamix great question I really hope I never have to face a megamix again we've still got some of the remnants of megamix we've got the asparagus juice up there I think that's all that we've got there from Taiwan bar table we'll be back with megamix to Taiwan Computex 2019 that will be in June next year so if you like that make em extreme which was terrible for me later in the day I was really sick and we had to fly you know the next day but we'll do it again why not we know about maybe mix 2.0 we will be doing it okay what do we got here why not fir mark very much just a power virus not really interested in running that so yeah are we guys New South Wales no way in Victoria so we haven't been hit with the there's been a lot of heavy rain and stuff in New South Wales at the moment big storms big storms in Queensland but it's just been lovely weather down here Victoria love it so will I be live for two 48 hours straight no I'm gonna go to bed at some point need my sleep got to get in there and get some rest to do not much tomorrow but we will leave the stream running with the main view of this monitor the PC that stuff will be showing you that for 48 hours so hopefully my internet doesn't cut out and we can run the whole 48 hours fully without any issues fingers crossed we have done some testing to see what my internet is like nor this set before so we pretty confident will work for 48 hours but we never know how long has have been on so far probably about 25 minutes so not super long first test we would definitely you know if we were testing this GPU for an overclock we would certainly much longer that's been running for yet yeah so three other people saying here are you able to leave a stream running while still uploading new videos does YouTube allow for that we actually don't know it's a good question is arcade is one of our wonderful patreon members not sure I think you can we have we're planning to release a video tomorrow so if we can't we'll be pretty annoyed about that but I'm pretty sure we can have a live stream and then release a video at the same time hopefully so yeah fun stuff what's this card have for the DRAM is that micro Samsung is micron in our particular card so yeah yeah pretty much it that's it for that one why are you starting stream at 10 p.m. because we always routes our videos at 10 p.m. or at least mark 99% of our videos are released at 10 p.m. local time for us so that's great because we can finish our videos during the day upload them and they're all ready to go for the evening which is sort of more you know during the day for Europe in the US which is more our main audience for our channel we love our Aziz as well but there are only about 5% of our audience compared to 20% for the u.s. 20% for Europe so yeah we like to really set a better time for the guys that are sort of mostly using mostly watching our videos in that time slot monitor turns off after an hour I hope not we tested it for 15 hours didn't turn off so yes should be fine via tech minor so this one is the what the box over there the NB 24 C I recommend the GN 24 C this is this this is the 75 Hertz version the 144 Hertz version of this particular which is a 24 inch 1080p VA I recommend quite well this one's not quite as good it's cheaper but I just generally think you should spend more money get to 144 Hertz version because better that's pretty much it with that one what if the card catches fire while you're asleep are we I did actually think of that because there was that rapport that one car that caught fire probably pretty probably something went drastically wrong there but I don't think it'll be catching fire so yeah I don't think so but if it does we've got a smoke alarm so that should be fine what are the other 50% of the audience from 20% us 20% are you five percent au Asia uh yeah we have quite a strong audience in India that makes up a significant portion Canada as well makes up another significant portion of the audience so you'll be looking at with those two add it in and a few like New Zealand added in as well a few other of those sort of countries and I'm not sure i catered all of I think all of you probably all up so if you add those together you get to like 7080 percent then you can throw in like the Asian and African areas and we're surprising a number of people from those regions you might think you know for whatever reason that they're not into english-speaking channels but yeah we still get a significant portion so it's a very world wide channel that we've got to hear people tuning in from pretty much everywhere I was sleeping in the office for the next 48 hours or do film from home I felt from home so this is my studio in my garage here so I can just go to bed I've got my bedroom here got my office everything's at home Steve's the same way it's awesome without doing it like that what else have you got here AOC g2 460 PF yeah that's another good morning if you've picked that up on Black Friday or something like that that's probably the monitor I'd recommend for the TN in that bracket 1080p 144 it's 24 inch so the VI panels like the vo-tech a little bit more expensive so it could be worth paying it a little bit more to get the deeper blacks the better colors but certainly if you're tight on your budget the AOC option that model is really good so if you made a good choice if you bought that you think if the Spiro reignite at roots you will ever come to PC we'll put our rigs up to their limits it freezes it a benchmark on the highest graphics settings interesting question Spyro reignited I mean from what I've seen of that video of course that games using the Unreal Engine 4 it looks like it's pretty much a remake closer to a remake than a remaster it seems like everything in the game is very similar to what it used to be back in the old days for the ps2 versions I think but obviously using a brand new engine it pretty much had to remake it so I think in that particular game it doesn't look like would be soon / stressful and the GPU just judging from sort of the assets the wiring that sort of thing is sort of that interesting animation style of game that isn't usually all that stressful on GPUs I would have thought that a game like you know Assassin's Creed Odyssey you sort of battlefield fives those sort of games that tend to go for the more realistic end of the spectrum tend to have more GPU intensive effects using a lot of things like screen space reflections and you know more intense shadows more intense your shading all that sort of thing isn't really the case in those more animated style games it could be stressful will it come to PC probably not I'd love it if it did but probably not then again wasn't it the crash bandicoot that did come to PC after a while so who knows maybe what's my guess for cyberpunk 2077 release day well I don't know I'm really interested in that game but I don't know yeah so looking forward to it what else have we got here lots of questions guys jeez so many - so many to get through any thoughts on color calibrations for the del s 27:16 DGR are you really in a tool to do color calibration properly I mean you can sort of if you have like a monitor that's already calibrated you can sort of put them side-by-side and fiddle with the on-screen controls to sort of get them looking the same but really you need sort of a color eMeter which aren't cheap so sort of calibrate it properly so sometimes monitor manufacturers have a driver that you can download that installs and more accurate profile sometimes that's the case so it's always worth looking into there some websites if they've already reviewed that particular monitor might have their profile available so check that out as well but there's various from the factory as well so it doesn't always make it you know sort of that perfect sort of how do you put it sort of it doesn't perfectly match the panel that you've got if you use one of those profiles it's always best to do it yourself um what else have we got here which 2082 i am i running it is the founders additional card so just the stock standard boring or foundation card acts have all three of the foundation cards here the 2080 and the 2070 I don't think I've don't think we've ever used the 2070 founders addition I certainly haven't put into my system yet to do anything so yeah be interested see how that goes any bushfires going off near you no not the moment I don't think our weather has been hot enough for long enough to sort of dry out the trees and stuff to sort of get those bushfire conditions ready yet it's been 30 today but it hasn't been that hot for you know days in the past or sort of the last couple of weeks or anything so certainly that fire season will be heating up a bit yeah not at the moment also go here how good do you expect the next navi mainstream cheap you will be pretty good I mean it's it's interesting because we're going to obviously get the improvements to Amy's GP architecture moving to 700 metres that will provide a big performance uplift because hopefully they'll be able to it higher they'll be able to make it smaller they'll be able to sort of increase increase the amount of course if they decide to go down that path I'm the same sort of die size or just shrink the die overall so yeah there's a lot of advantages that Amy will gain they're moving to seven nanometers but the advantage is going to come from the architectural changes because at the moment I guess on seven animators they're going to get a lot of improvements but it's not really gonna bring them up to the same point that in a video is that with their 20 atti something like maybe 64 still fair bit slower than the 2080 TI and your Nvidia also hasn't moved to seven nanometers yet so you've got to sort of think you know Amy's moving to seven animators Nvidia is going to move to seven animators as well so they've not only got to sort of make Navi a GPU that competes with the 2080 ti now but on seven enemies it has to be faster for their flagship product so that when Nvidia comes with their seven in nanometer product they're not immediately superseded on the same process node again so they're going to need to make a lot of improvements to their architecture not just Bank on using seven animators to make Navi good they're gonna have to change a lot of things about that architecture because it is quite far behind so yeah this some fairly obvious bottlenecks things like crops need to be increased on their on their GPU design so yeah hopefully there's a significant number of changes and I would expect that considering you know then the node change usually brings about large architectural changes because they figure they can do a lot more on that node so that's when they usually roll out those architecture changes compared to things like Polaris and value which were similar nodes to the predecessors so they didn't really feel the need to do as much there how do you comment over week optimization or Belfield fire for architects technology we have a full video on our text technology about field five were very disappointed with it yeah not impressed with our TX at all very high performance hit the visual it does look nice like don't get me wrong it looks good it looks better than the standard effect in a lot of aspects I think the noise issue in some areas especially when you're moving is quite ugly but in some areas you know screen space reflections have issues as well so I think you know are ticks what DX are effects do pretty good but at the same time you know that performance here is brutal and I'm not really sure whether it's an optimization issue I just think that that's the reality of trying to do real-time ray tracing even on a high end GPU like a twenty atti so yeah I'm not sure whether there's too much more they can do with that sort of thing so yeah it just kind of sucks at the moment and yeah I don't think battlefield 5 was a great example of a game that it was well suited to you know DXi technology would have been better at showing the true brand it's supposed to be coming you're showing the Tomb Raider but yeah don't know when that's coming unfortunately what else we got here so what do we got here yes Steve's telling you guys about how it's fishing in the stream in the comments if you wanted to see that do you think in video will release an art X 2060 or a GTX 2060 we talked a little bit about this in our patreon live stream the sort of GTX r-tx 2060 thing so first ours well I don't think they'll put RT cos in it and it wouldn't make a lot of sense because what we've already seen with the art X 27 is that it's really not that capable for ray-tracing you're talking like Ellie's about four five like 1080p 30fps is sort of wear out with the low setting maybe a little bit better than that but certainly the performance in that game isn't great we don't expect it to be good and sort of most other games that would use rate racing so you thought you hit that issue with the twenty seventy already that rate racing in that on that GP isn't great so you think a twenty sixty would have you know less processing power on the CUDA cause it's also probably going to have less Artie cause if they go down that path and then you're in a situation where you're not even getting 1080p 60fps on the lowest settings so yeah I just don't think that that card will come with articles they might call it the our text we succeed by I don't think you'll be rate racing compatible in which case then I guess for your question will be more like a GTX version of the card so yeah personally my guess I don't have any inside information might guess what they'll do with the 2060 is release it as their first seven animated GP at some time next year they should be about ready to get those seven enemy GPUs out I think one of their previous generations maybe it was max well they're released the 750 Ti I believe don't quote me exactly on that maybe the 750 Ti was the first on the newer process node I think 14 enemies at the time so they brought down to that product first the meaty part and then their next generation high-end products also were on that newer process node so I wouldn't be surprised if they did that with the 1060 you're a product or something around that so yeah that's sort of my guess for what they'll do but you know I'm not hundred percent sure what's gonna happen superjet question here from luck a you are you guys coming down to IEM Sydney 2019 um pretty unlikely we didn't go to I am this year because it's more than that sort of eSports pace which is really something we don't cover a lot of on hardware box is probably not super up our wheelhouse so we're probably not going to attend that unfortunately it's nice that there is an event in Sydney but yeah we were at pax Australia in Melbourne briefly but I am yeah probably not gonna go and we're going to Computex if you fly to Taiwan so will we meet you guys at Taiwan probably not but you know if you say come and say hi to us feel free will we see Pascale / cheering BIOS editor know quite comfortably say envy is walked down there by us fully very unlikely we'll see them let people change the BIOS anytime soon they don't want people messing around with it you can already see with the voltage slider for overclocking that Nvidia doesn't want people to mess with anything really with their card so I'd be very surprised if they have a BIOS editor for those products so yep which is probably not going to happen I would think what others how is the battery life on the Dell XPS 15 with cable 1832 20 it's been a while since I've tested that but the back life was fine I wouldn't say it was amazing or anything it certainly got the job done but the main thing about that product was the faster than normal integrated graphics in that product the still didn't think it was as good a sort of ei7 a 758 laptops that like a gtx 1060 in them or there abouts so it was an interesting product but certainly not yeah certainly not the most interesting of all laptops unfortunately is 85 degrees Celsius safe yeah it should be shouldn't have any problems with that I wouldn't have thought so yeah fun stuff there is the MSI r-tx 27 t gaming Z good for 1440p high settings yes gr text where 70 is sort of in that GT X 1080 bracket as well if you sort of compare it to Pascal that's very capable 1440p high settings card so yep should have absolutely no problems with the ITX 2070 there maybe not high settings 1440p with ray-tracing but certainly with regular settings do you think there'll be any affordable good HDR monitors at CES maybe we're sort of seeing the acer has got some more some of those 4k high refresh hgr models coming out this month I think descent is now December now isn't it yeah so first so yeah this month we might be seeing some more from Acer and then potentially some from Samsung at CES that's usually a big time we see Samsung released new monitors so hopefully we see some affordable a class that's hard to say because you know monitors tend to be released at any and all times of the year there are so many models released throughout the year that you can sort of say you know CES is a time of their release that but then yeah we might see more more as all throughout the year I'll be hoping for it though the question about good HD other we really need those you know full array local dimming back lights I still seem to be quite expensive hopefully we see more even good anslee might cut the muscle but yeah that's just an issue with these sort of Morris at the moment that we're not seeing those sort of maximum back lights at the moment geez this chat is moving fast hard to keep up with all you guys thanks to all the questions of course and big thanks to all you guys who've supported hardware unbox as well we just passed 300 thousand subscribers so yeah bit of a master and for us too you have one box thank you all who watch our videos watch this live stream watch all the content on our channel mine and Steve Steve as well is very very chuffed to be at this sort of stage that weren't 300 thousand subscribers so yeah thanks to everyone who support us throughout the journey what else we got here why CPU clock speed more important the CPU course well isn't really I mean it depends on the workload of course CPU cores can be more important for you know a thing like video encoding or I think like rendering that favors you know scalability across course I mean more cause is more advanced advantageous than a lower core count higher clock CPU obviously the goal is to get both high Cox and high core counts then you get sort of the best of both worlds but certainly for things like gaming which don't necessarily scale their thread count to the levels that you see you know doesn't utilize all the threads that it can utilize on modern CPUs then you sort of see that they become thread limited so then they become CPU clock speed limited and that's when you see you know Intel CPUs pulling away from Rison in you know in sepia limited situations because you see that clock speed advantage really coming into play because it simply can't the games simply can't push it out to more cores which is why you see for that particular workload that clock speeds more advantageous then again as I said for rendering cause are probably the the best thing to have at the moment is Steve coming to say hi any time during this dream is that certain questions in the chat he pops is his the Steve guy that you see in the chat from time to time but he leaves a two hour drive for me and it completely different part of the state so probably not going to come over just to sit and watch a GPU run heaven for the next 48 hours probably not the most exciting thing to come over and say hi for so yeah what else is going on any plans to review the LG 32 mu 99 - w now let me just google this monitor because there are so many monitors I don't necessarily remember all of them ah this one yes very expensive monitor the 4k IPS Ultra HD one again probably not going to review it considering when it was released but I it looks like a pretty decent monitor but again $2,000 pretty expensive so yeah interesting one there one of the people in our discord chat saying at the moment few people go into bed because yeah we started this at 10 p.m. so yeah fun stuff what else have we got here yeah maybe I will put a timer inside oh I can put a timer into the chat let me see if I can get something like that up because that'd be good for you guys to be able to see what's going on here so bear with me guys well just try and get a timer into the frame somewhere let me see whether we can actually do this should be possible surely surely they make this stuff easy okay now I can get a capture going one of these things should be able to do it not that obviously because that doesn't work okay I'll get that working again let's go back to some questions we'll get that working at some point okay what other question is have we actually let's check the thermals because we'll be running it now for about 45 minutes and I've got the thermocouple over here let's have a look what is it saying still sitting in about that 73 degrees on the back plate so that's play sort of right around that memory area where else is it saying yeah 53 degrees exhaust air temperature we've got 37 degrees case ambient and about 24 degrees and being in the room at the moment so that is what is happening at the moment what else let me try to get this capture thing going again okay just bear with me as I get up this little thing here we can will this work Wow that's not good all right grats on the 300k thanks v po po p o je interesting name they're not really try to pronounce that pod yeah tell us how you pronounce your name in the chat because yeah thanks for the super chat though yeah we're very proud to be a 300k thanks as well to Game Boy 3800 who also donated some super chat to us a little while back sorry that I missed that early in the chat yeah again very very happy to be at 300 K at the moment spin yes sort of a milestone for us and very happy to be at be there at the moment do you think chip books is going to shift the paradigm for semiconductor design yes gonna be a big big thing for the semiconductor industry to sort of get it we've already seen that with Amy's upcoming CPU design we'll certainly yeah I think the main thing we'll do is that as we get to those smaller small nodes we're gonna run into more and more yield issues trying to get these chips you know running I guess and as you sort of try and make those chips larger and larger you're under the issue of yeah we're at smaller nodes so yields are gonna be potentially worse and then we try to make the chips bigger so yours are gonna be sort of doubly worse with both of those things so I think you run into that sort of issue when you're sort of thinking about designing new chips so the way this or tapping those by make these multi chip designs instead of making the chips really be so I split them up pick them up using these interconnect technologies I think that really will make a big change for not just CPS but GPUs as well as they start to figure out ways to sort of split out some of the themes you know potentially they could split out you know what are they call them you compute units from the GPUs into its own babies separate packages and then they'll really allow them to scale big and still keep those yields up which will keep costs down so I think it really will be a big big innovation for yeah for the market yeah okay still can't get this display caption let's see if this works gratz of 300k cutting-edge retro thanks for the super chat there as well I'm only 290 8700 behind you guys well it's always nice to start a YouTube channel as you're doing it for fun you can have a lot of fun doing YouTube that's our Steve started you know the whole YouTube thing with hard round box just to do it for a little bit of fun to see where it went and you never know where you can go after sort of building that up for a while a while so his window capture to actually working because for me doesn't look like there's anything happening so yeah just don't know why that isn't working but whatever it doesn't really matter Eric Chong thanks for the ten dollars through super chair as a realistic test could you play sieve six and try for a culture victory that would take you 48 hours probably yeah my god playing sieve six and trying to get any of the victories that aren't the space race always finds it is super challenging certainly the culture victory is yeah I thought domination as well if you're playing on the high difficulties and you disable all the ways of winning except for domination then it becomes really really difficult to sort of win that game without cheating I certainly have to think about your strategy so yeah I love civilization 6 I think it's really one of those my favorite strategy games I think civilization 4 was probably a slightly better game as far as the civilization games go but 6 was better than 5 by a long way in my opinion so yes certainly one of my favorite favorite games there okay what else have we got here can you guys do a video on how to calibrate a moderate yes I've been that's I've got this big long list of videos to do obviously there's lots of things we really want to do on the channel that we can't always do because of time reasons I really want to get something out of how to calibrate a mind just as a sort of educational video might not be the biggest video ever view wise but certainly I think there's it's very confusing once you open up the utilities that show you how to do the calibration on sort of all the things to do it especially calm and fire that we use which is cam and five is sort of the industry standard professional tool that you would use for things like you know if you're in a Hollywood studio or something you're trying to get all your monitors calibrated that you watch what you're filming on that's certainly the sort of gold standard there's also a utility called display Cal that's open source it doesn't have quite the feature set the Cal Man five does but it has a lot of you know sort of basic features as well so that's certainly an option that we might consider doing that in a separate video we would cover maybe both of those things you can purchase Cal man 5 if you want it's pretty expensive for the top models but I think top version sorry it's not a piece of hair it's a piece of software so yeah any suggestions for a color code 4k monitor preferably 100% of derby RGB you should be looking at NEC monitors that's a good brand also dell ultrasharp from their premier color line they're not cheap you'll be looking at for 4k with accuracy by Delta under 2.0 and 100% RGB looking at over a thousand US dollars so not the cheapest but certainly certainly something to yeah keep in mind for that what else we got going at the moment huh it's very warm in this room at the moment very warm I think it's really without any ventilation in here it should it will cool down overnight I think but certainly cuz it's been 30 degrees it's probably still about 26 degrees outside at the moment yeah we'll certainly be certainly sweating here hydrate myself guys ah okay some super Jets have come in thanks for the people that are supporting us through the super chat feature okay first one here was from novel fame so if I screwed up your name there novell oh yeah something like that thanks to the five bucks would you wait for Zen to slash new Vega or build now have already have decent five year old system five year olds okay interesting um would you wait or build now it depends what you're doing it so I think if you're aiming to have a high-end gaming PC you should be looking at Intel you know we while rising is very well balanced great value for money in a lot of product segments I think that you know even something like an eighty seven hundred K today still provides a lot of very sort of 1080p high refresh gaming with the high performance GPU you know so if you're sort of going to be CPU bottleneck you should be looking at sort of Intel processor so I think if you are going down that path and building that higher gaming rig and you sort of weren't necessarily as interested in in rise and then and you wanted that performance right now than something like that you know that's fine you can pull the system right now be probably be very happy with it again those into is probably only four or five months away if we're sort of thinking you know they launched rise in second gen it's sort of april of this year so if we think April next year that's four or five months away so if you can wait that long which again is almost like half a generation in terms of product cycle then short that's probably a good thing that you could be waiting for and again I think as well if you're more into sort of your content creation they were sort of in that midpoint now between second gen Rises you can get like a twenty seven hundred X and you probably be very happy with that but again sort of wait a little bit see what's happening with sendto and I certainly think as well would be getting a better idea of what AMD's consumer products will be looking at at CES they're planning a big event at CES to talk about seven animated products and hopefully we'll get a better idea of what will sort of be looking at for as enter in the consumer front there so yeah I mean I'll probably sort of consider waiting for that as for new Vega if you're thinking about Navi there again I think right now we're not really sure how long those GPUs will be it could still be six months of in which case again you're missing it you might be missing out in that six months of extra performance you beget in which case you know there's some really good values on the market at the moment not necessarily something like a 20 80 GI but certainly in that vague of 56:10 780ti or even lower price tiers there's good cars there so yeah there's certainly lots of options certainly interesting stuff there Jesse also had a super chat here any idea when the refreshed court x-series CPS will be available the 99 20x mainly should we expect refreshed mobos releasing alongside them so yeah there are fresh cracks which I'm assuming you've approached to the Intel skylake X refresh or whatever they called that thing the 999 20x yeah I mean we've seen reviews of them that don't seem to be available still so I would certainly expect them to be available before the end of the year considering you know when these companies push out reviews of these product simple chat samples it certainly means that they're going to be available very shortly it might depend on how they're Zeon's are going usually they would be using similar silicon for their zeal and so that might depend especially for some of the lower end products they've already released the 1980 XC for example so the lower end ones might still be a little while away but I will certainly be expecting those to be coming very shortly and certainly this month maybe I'll be thinking it should be around the mark should we expect refresh motherboards released alongside them yes a few companies are planning on releasing refresh X 299 motherboards those shouldn't be radically different from what we've seen already simply because you know the CPUs themselves very similar there's no real you know major improvements there you know there's not really any new features that they could be adding in but could be seeing things like beefing variants we just have to wait and see what's going on with that sort of product in the future so yeah certainly I'd be expecting both of those things shortly Samsonite douve or doves Samsonite dove man it's getting late I'm getting tired I miss for mispronouncing things like dove what am i doing alright rise on lunch April eighteenth this year this is our super chair by the way so thanks for that Rison launch April eighteenth this year may 1st 2019 is a fiftieth anniversary so it's a pretty good bet for rice until release date yeah that would make perfect sense if they've certainly got a big anniversary coming up to launch what will probably be there I guess you'd have to say sort of that most highly I mean Rison is very highly anticipated as well but this could really be that sort of big step up for for AMD not to just your elisa product that's way better than FX but release a product that's highly competitive with intel on every front not just your price to performance but also having those higher clock speeds having that good AVX performance having those instruction sets that match what Intel currently has in their architectures that's still you know obviously a little bit behind Intel on those regards to the moon but I think Zen Center Rison 3 will really beef up a lot of that stuff so to have that product launching a 50th anniversary which are less would worry about so thanks for notifying me that would be yeah really good bet so I think that's probably going to be around the money again they could push it earlier simply because you know product release cycles they might think early is better they might really some sort of product they might for example go with maybe rise in 5 or maybe a rise in 7 it doesn't necessarily have all the calls released those first then come out with on May 1st with that sort of flagship rising 3 Scoob who knows that's all speculation at the moment all right back to the regular chat thanks for those super chats there Tim what microphones use we use the rode nt1 - a both Siva no use the rode nt1 - it's a great microphone it sort of it's a cardioid microphone and all a lot of people use shotgun mics which have to point directly into your face to sort of you know get those in but with the cardioid mic we can sort of sit up here and that sort of gets this whole area so whether I'm seen in the middle or whether Steve and I both here for our Q&A videos we can just use the one mic and it's really crisp audio quality and the benefit there as well Road is an Australian company and they produce some really high-quality microphone it's been using a lot of their products over the years and yeah we highly rate it so it's great microphone now the super chaps come in from less peck are you guys going to check out the gigabyte water force 2080 I have one but I'm still a month off finishing my build can see the temps we're very keen to test product that your companies are willing to send us obviously there's concerns about I guess at the moment you know the 2080 was already released you know a while back now so any reviews that we do have specific cards might not have the interest that they would have had around that launch time frame for gigabyte they've already as well they've already provided us a lot of different cards we've got at least 220 ATT eyes from them the Auris one the Norris one I'm not quite sure what we have on the other ones you have to are Steve but certainly you know companies aren't might not be willing to sort of provide all those products to us at what so yeah if gigabyte if you're watching this dream or you for some reason clicked on this dream send Steve a water force 2080 I'm sure he'd be interested in checking it out but yeah it just depends on what companies sort of willing to offer us at the moment we're not going to go out and sort of hunt new GPUs at the Mona Lisa sort something massively unique about them but yeah we might get more of these cards and as they sort of come on to the market do you think AMD would make ray tracing as triplets in the future and that's a really interesting question I would imagine that their next GPU architecture will have some sort of accelerated ray tracing whether they do that in RT cos similar to Nvidia or whether they just have their own maybe they just have one type of you know accelerated core they've got to do things like deep learning operations that sort of thing that might be something that they look at doing with navi's having that part of their GPU beefed up to do ray tracing in there as well I'd be surprised if we saw triplets with Navi I would think that would be for a future generation we don't know at this stage but I'll be surprised if they rolled out for their next generation who knows of course but I would think that yeah it could be a possibility that they would split out sort of the main shader processes and the deep learning processes into its own core and that will also give benefits in sort of making those deep learning cards they could have you know one card that has all the shader cores on or just shader course on it for gaming or potentially for those your data center applications that don't necessarily need the deep learning processing capabilities then you could have the second die that would have the you know RT cause the accelerated you know the integer processing to sort of enter into 4 into 8 sort of stuff that could have done on a separate die you put the two days together for a compute card you put the two days together for a high end GPU that has that ray tracing capability and yeah so I think that's certainly something that would be happening at the moment what else is happening still lots of questions here guys thanks for sending them all in and thanks for watching the stream it's been certainly interesting so far nothing much has happened on the old card at the moment so no problems I wouldn't expect any problems at this point anyway what else have we got sure by 2700 X away from X rise and the edges cover that the previous question I think you could potentially be looking at waiting for rising but again you're probably waiting like four or five months now so it's that trade-off between do I buy now to get known performance now and have that extra five months with my new product or do I wait to see how much better is n 2 is going to be and I certainly think at current prices ambhi's rice and processes are very attractive to buy right now so yeah certainly wouldn't be super certainly would be super devastated I wouldn't afford if you're bored of that CPU at the moment have you thought of comparing the 2700 X versus the 99 100k in games I think we already have a video up on the channel on that certainly we should have one Steve will let you know if you're still on the chat knocks off use but yeah we certainly have done a lot of content on that sort of thing or Ray and as Sal says in the chest yeah I think people should wait for CES I think that's probably a very good thing to sort of mention that again AMD are sort of planning that big 7 nanometre announcement for CES which is right the start of January so if you were sort of tossing up should I buy now should I wait you certainly get a good idea of what's to come in January so yeah it could be worth that one month wait and then you sort of have a really good idea but again pricing for some of those at the moment is still quite good so it is stuff probably something to sort of keep an eye out on at the moment what else is happening at the moment what if the card dies yeah good question what if the card dies yeah we'll have to RMA it I mean we're not overclocking it so we're not running it out of specifications so the card should be fine we if you watch the intro to this video your real description we firmly believe the card won't die it's just a matter of you know if there's any issues will there crop up after it's specifically runny for this long will they be degradation the components I think the the main thing we're thinking with the card is you know is running the the memory dies in particular at like say 80 degrees or 90 degrees on the actual die temperature is that going to that might not cause a problems right now it might not cause problems if you are going to be playing a game for say three or four hours but what if you're running up those super hot temperatures for 48 hours and that's caused enough degradation in the card that to the point where when you turn on the next time the components aren't necessarily exactly the same you know they've cooled down you warm up again then if something's gone wrong with them and that's sort of what I think might have happened with Hardware CPUs card which was sort of based on this test on and that's what if it's going to fail that's probably how it's going to fail and because we're just running it stock you know in views got no choice ago to accept our ami so yeah that's pretty much why we're running stock that's what we think would happen if it fails again we don't expect it to fail we've seen no problems with the car up to this point but we just think that you know if something is going to go wrong that could be the reason why is simply running it for out of potentially slightly out of its specification for a long time might cause damage that you accept that you would accelerate in a 48-hour period that you might not see from gaming in shorter periods well so you got here yes it is 11 p.m. at the moment 11 p.m. so yeah look I probably wouldn't be doing anything else exciting at the moment so getting our live stream with our hardware box audience to celebrate as well passing 300k subscribers it's a good thing it's a good thing to chat with you guys gak qin 64 gak Jin 64 I believe they are one of our patreon embers as well so thanks to the super chat they say I would be would it be cheating if you open the window a little bit to cool the car yes that would be cheating I might consider telling the fan speed up on the dark bass 700 reasons as a fan speed normal Marcus it turned up a little bit from some of our early testing we saw turning it up doesn't make a significant difference in the temperatures we're sort of looking at more like that maybe what I said maybe like a three to four degree difference but yeah we'd sort of feel the sight modes probably a little bit better for this dream while the microphone still on so yeah mate in Australia am i exhausted not really didn't have the greatest sleep but you know it's been been out and about today took the dog to the dog beach in the nice weather and that was a lot of fun it was packed there lots of dogs so and dog got super tired yeah fun stuff and all of those guys saying I look tired would you have said that I look tired if I didn't tell you that it was 11 p.m. this time I think I look perpetually tired that's what some people say so well the 22 atti go down in price soon I wouldn't think so because it's their flagship card maybe with that RTX Titan that we've seen some sort of leaks and teaser sort of things about maybe that will caught they'll push that up to some other $1,200 mark and then push the 2080 ti down to 900 would be nice but thinking of Nvidia they'll probably just release the r-tx Titan at 1500 bucks and call it a day so yeah that's pretty much what's happening here I think this experiment is okay but I don't think any cheaper you can stay at 85 degrees Celsius for eight hours or more I think that's a common misconception with these products there they're built in a way that has these fail-safes built in so the 85 degrees Celsius or 86 degree Celsius limit on the card is meant to keep it from burning itself out over time they're designed the engineers designed that limits specifically so if you run the card at Full Tilt for a long period of time that you you know don't kill the card certainly if you remove the limit in some way and get it to run let's say a hundred degrees then it might kill the card but the limit is there for a reason and it's for these situations where you run up for a long period of time it has these fail-safes built in specifically for that so yeah that's pretty much again I don't think it'll die but we'll see we'll see best processor for streaming if you're talking about game streaming you're probably looking at I mean the 900 K is quite expensive but certainly because it's both a good gaming CPU has you know the benefit of both hi single thread performance and also many cause the same amount of cores of the 2700 X you'll be looking at that sort of as probably the pinnacle for game streaming we'll do some more testing on now in the channel ah it might even be at weaning RT at this point hopefully we can get something out on that in 2018 but we will be looking a bit more into that sort of game streaming stuff the thread Ripper 2950 X is also quite a good option because there has similar performance in games to the 2,700 X but you simply get those extra 16 you know you get the extra 8 cores for 16 in total and that makes it again a highly attractive option for gaming so and streaming so yeah again it just does depend on sort of the things that you're doing at the moment yes - exposed the Titan RT Xbox last night on LTE yeah was that deliberate or was that an accident let us know in the comments what you think about that I'm I'm probably being that was deliberate but certainly it's um yeah interesting to say I mean it was it's gonna be the case that there would be a Titan card you you were to assume there'd be a Titan out here he's got the one thing I would be really hoping that the time card brings specifically is that full RT the full amount of RT course being unlocked which would likely mean the whole GPU is unlocked which the twenty NCOs cut down slightly I think those extra RT cores could give you that little bit more performance for a Tracey if you are one of the people that was really interested in that though you got a super chat from hammer time guns are blaze thank you very much for the $30.00 there Congrats I've been following you guys for a while I'm thankful to you and Steve the amazing content the huge amount of benchmarks and for being honest reviewers thank you very much we work long hours Steven particular works very hard on his content his GPU benchmarks that stuff you know it doesn't take hit that it's not a short amount of time to get like a 50 GPU benchmark out so we really appreciate that you guys appreciate the effort that we put in you know we wouldn't be doing this sort of stuff if you guys didn't think that what we're doing is good and if you guys didn't watch it so yeah thanks for all the support throughout the years Hema dudes I'm thinking of buying a 1440p minor monitor but run some games at 1080p does it look bad because it's not a native reference to Manos de Souza rog swift PG 2 7 9 q will look bad yes yes it will when you sort of compare side-by-side of 1080p native display to a 1440p display running at 1440p you certainly see that there's a big step up from 1080 P to 1440p but if you put that 1440p monitor on 1080p it will look significantly worse than the 1080p monitor and it's simply because of a non-native scan has to approximate it's not like one pixel going to four pixels like you would see running 1080p to 4k which still doesn't look great in some situations but in this situation it's like one pixel going to you know two pixels and because the pixels are in a good alignment you're not really getting that perfect sort of scaling so yeah it's certainly not recommended I think if you are planning on running games at 1080p I'm assuming you might have like a performance limitation there then you should just stick with your 1080p monitor or if you are if you do go and buy that monitor then you should run it as many times as you possibly can you should be running in at 1440p and you should be there I turned down the settings for some of the things another good trick potentially is to in some games have the render slider like the resolution scale slider what I'd be doing is you know still rendering the game native resolution so you know you get your UI native res you get Windows at native raised at 1440p but then if you turn down that resolution slider to something like 90 percent which isn't going to be 1080p performance it's going to be you know a bit bit worse in 1440p you'll get that improving your performance the image will look a bit softer but it certainly won't look as bad as 1080p on a 1440p display and yeah there's a few other people say the same thing about that issue there Tim do you think Nvidia are going to a Titan big T and a Titan little T like last year yeah the Titan X big pan X little P I don't think so I think the reason for that is when Nvidia released the Titan X Pascal which was the time next big P that wasn't that GPU fully unlocked the GPU that they were using for that you know it was the same as the 1080i so it was cut down slightly but was still more powerful than the 1080 so I think if they were going to do is sort of big little lettering again there's not really a lot of room to grow they could release a Titan X or Titan whatever RTX Titan for example that has the same performance as the tenets the 20 atti the same core configuration but there would be a lot of reason to buy it because the 20 80 is already released so I think what they would what they're really only you have an option to do is sort of release that fully unlocked GPU with a couple of extra you know compute units enabled a couple of extra RT cos and all that stuff enabled call that the RT X tight and that's what I would imagine they would do and then there's really no room to release that little P model in the future because therefore you release the sort of maximum they can go on that diet for cheering so that's why I think would probably happen at the moment I need some water at the moment it's interesting speaking by yourself for 75 minutes it's a fun stuff I recently bought a Vegas 64 and I'm having weed issues in some games where the card sits at about 80% usage and is dropping frames no CPU bottleneck and not too hot any ideas why so the first thing that I'd be looking at you know you might think there's no CPU bottleneck but for example are you running on like a Rison processor where you know 50 or 40 percent utilization is fairly common certainly the CPU doesn't need to be running at a hundred percent to run into a CPU bottleneck you can you know you might not be using other cause new CPU so that's the first thing I also be looking at there the next thing could be things like sort of your memory speeds your games can be memory bandwidth limited before they really before they hit those issues with either CPU or GPU storage limitations is worth you sort of if you're getting into an area for example that you're starting to stream in a lot of you know say geometry of our textures so you're running fast through an area to try and do a lot of stuff then you might get those drops where your GPU set moves down to sort about 80% your CPUs not bottlenecked we're sleeping bottleneck but other things in the system so again you can also yeah just check out those different things that's probably why you're beginning that if you're getting 80% utilization is dropping frames all of the time that costs to be something like a software configuration issue that's sort of all those sort of things I'd be thinking about for there why is no one talking about damp down sampling anymore please explain how this works and why for example GTA almost looks like a native 4k would use a 1080p monitor with four times down sampling or super simple I think super stomachs probably better word to use then the down sampling so first of all it doesn't really look the same as a 4k monitor I mean native 4k you get more data on the screen it depends how far where you're viewing from the monitor as well that makes a big difference but yes so super sampling you're simply adding more pixel data and combine into one pixel so each pixel is essentially like a better pixel it's a it's kind of a bad way sort of sites of better pixels don't really tell you all that much but because you're having it's actually doing more work and it's rendering it out of scene and then sort of compressing it down you get things like sharper textures if you rendering native 1080p you know it renders the textures just you know 1080p renders all of it everything in the screen 1080p especially things like thin wires and stuff you get a little bit of aliasing there and when you sort of sample that when you blow that up and then shrink it down you get that advantage of you know that cleaner lines and everything because it has simply more data to work with they can do some clever things than the down sampling sort of smooth it out and make it look nice just make it look sharper if what you see the same thing happening when you take an image and you sort of if it's a nice and high-resolution use shrink it down looks really nice and sharp everything's clean and clear and that's simply because you know in a game when you're rendering it native resolution not everything is like super crisp and clear just because of the way it has to render stuff and yeah just sort of the harsher fingers get smoothed out a little bit more when you do that sort of down sampling what else have we got yeah any info of course that open-loop cooling unfortunately not it looks cool I'm interested in checking it out but at the moment no real word on that at the moment I had a 1066 gigabyte before the same PC otherwise had absolutely no problems in the same areas that was the same person before with the Vegas 64 bottleneck again Vegas 64 is a lot faster than a 1066 gigabyte so the issues that you were seeing there you might have just been fully GPU bound on your 1066 a good bite you look great - Vegas 64 and suddenly you've those ball necks and more prisons and they were previously so you just check out some of those things um yeah what else have we got in the chat will you test and 99 hundred K with the B 360 motherboard probably not I think if you're getting in yeah it's one of those things where you probably shouldn't buy a 99 hundred K if you've got a B 360 motherboard cuz you can't overclock it one of the key advantages of having that K means you can overclock it and certainly I think I wanna be through 64 it's probably wouldn't be suitable for the 900 counts into the v-ray potentially raining tissues at stock so yeah it's one of those things where we sort of don't figure a lot of people would be pairing up their 500 or Plus CPU it's like an entry level B 360 motherboard we think if you're buying it high high in CPU you're gonna be buying a motherboard that is suitable for it as well so I think that's kind of where we're sort of sitting there with that greeting is what is your experience with Electrical buzzing noises on custom art x28 ET i'm roars you've tested so far as yeah you might be talking a little about Coraline now other issues going to that and yes we have experienced that a little bit some of our founders additional models do it the 2080 ti I don't think does it I think mate was the 2080 that does it a little bit in terms of it's getting a little bit that Coraline the gigabyte model certainly has a little bit of that buzzing but it does also depend on the utilization sometimes you'll pump it up to 100% utilization get that coil whine initially and then it's fine sometimes you get it for longer period so yes pretty annoying it's not something that you normally see on cards certainly a lot of the Pascal cards that I have don't have that issue so yeah unfortunate thing but that's just the way it is Tim will you ever cover VR performance for CPU and GPU um the UH performance there's a lot of interesting things about VI you know you can look at just the raw framerate that you're getting out of GP but that doesn't tell you a lot about things like you sort of the latency that's coming to the VR headset that stuff's a little bit more difficult to tell that has a big influence on your VR experience you know you want to make sure that your inputs are coming straight through to their actual headset and the display in the headset as quickly as possible and yeah we're simply I mean I'll probably do have the tools to test it but they are still not a super wide audience thing and a lot of things we still try and test on the channel the things that appeal to sort of the wider PC enthusiast community so hopefully we get to a point where there's a YouTube channel out there that covers VR stuff like that really well there probably is I don't not really super begin to be out myself so Ivan really looked into that all that much but yeah probably not something they were looking too much into at the moment is this stream gonna be for 48 hours yes I'm not gonna be speaking for 48 hours I'll be speaking until I like going to bed and they will just focus in on the screen running I'll be super boring mode for the 48 hours and yeah we'll probably check around from time to time sometimes you might check back into the stream I'll be popping in to check on it to see what the temperatures are I like that and all of that and yeah just purchase myself an MSI 2080 Treo x4 819 pounds and a ten percent rebate do you think this is still a good deal over 1080i I'm not really familiar with the British pricing for GPUs so normal is roughly similar to the US in terms of like dollar to pound so if you looking at $800 for a 2080 that's not terrible the issue now is a 1080 eyes don't exist in the market they're sort of you know they're fully gone pretty much so I'd be thinking out of 19 yeah that's it's not it's not bad it's not bad it'll be nice if they get to that $700 price point I would be sort of a really good good price to that at the moment I'm gonna check the Sal says 1080 eyes are typically 750 to 800 pounds before they all vanish so if they're on that seven attributed to an Aurora pound prot price and you're getting at 28 for the same price getting that's pretty good I mean 28 28 E is similar performance of 1080i so yeah not bad it's not a bad price let's check these temperatures so it's still fairly similar on the temperatures as what we've been running for the past hour or so so we're at about 73 degrees still on the back plates that's directly on the back near the memory we're also still getting I think was about 54 degrees from the exhaust out of the GPU and about 37 degrees case ambient at the moment and it's still about 24 degrees in here so yes 86 degrees still on the GPU itself but that back plate temperature is certainly pretty scorching in the moment so if you think the back plate itself is 70 degrees or 72 or three or whatever I said just before then you're internally on those FETs and stuff inside that on that piece of media a lot that stuff could be cooking quite hot yeah all right this guy's been asking you about the LG 24mp 88 HV I will finally answer your question sorry I've been missing it let's have a look at the monitor and actually see what it is because I haven't heard of it before looks fairly old so looks like it's been out on the market for a few years now which means we're probably pretty unlikely review it we tend to stick to new products simply because if you're at least a review of something that's older today doesn't necessarily get the traction it once was it actually looks like a fairly good model it looks like it's got slim bezels IPS as well nine laps in srgb so I mean besides its helped in the specs we would ideally like to test this more on up but yeah so yeah to answer your question probably you won't be testing that we'll be sticking to newer monitors for at the moment well so you got here to me your skin is getting more pale with the minute get some sleep mate really I hope not maybe it's just the lighting in here I think I'm still doing okay you vlg 32 GK 950 GF - be ultra wide yeah would really like to review that line I don't have super good contacts at LG in terms of gang LG - in at the moment so I would like to work a bit more closely with LG that's one of the main monitor companies that we don't have super close ties with we do work with most of them but it's them and Samsung that we sort of not quite as you know what work is tightly with them as we do with some mostly companies like you know biotech a sous viewsonic bank you until they kicked us out Philips that sort of thing I've missed out a bunch of companies there that we work with monitors but yeah we work with most time except LG and Samsung so yeah yeah issue with the paleness as well as I'm seen closer to one of my lights I've got two lights there there when I sit in the middle it's a bit more bounce with the light I'm assuming the edges it's a bit briar in my eyes so yeah would you get an ITX Titan or wait until next string cards no I wouldn't get it tight and they're always too expensive yeah it's always just worth it to get the TI models gram right asks why did Ben Q kick you out so well didn't really kick us out at the the they just basically stopped talking to us so you would have seen we might have seen I did a review of the bank you something it's over there Ben QTL el2 870 you Thank You L 2 XM news so this was a 4k monitor that claimed to have HDR was a TN panel it was reasonably affordable but basically I said the model wasn't very good I gave it a negative review generally I thought it was too expensive I think one of the reasons for that was that they were basically selling it as an HDR monitor and charging a premium for HDR but really no aspect of its performance is actually yeah it had you know SDR contrast it cut its colors didn't go above srgb and its brightness was like 4 less than 400 nits so you get that issue where I didn't recommend it because it was just too expensive you know we're all about value products here and it was yeah just not a good value product so yeah basically Bank you saw the review they got back to us this they wanted to get in touch and ask us a few questions which is fairly typical when you get when you do a negative review of any product you know the company will come back to you and be like we just need to get some clarification on a few things you said but basically Bank you did that I responded like you have my reasoning a basically just said most of the stuff I you know talked about is in the review so you can go and watch that and then yeah I was supposed to receive another monitor from then which was a 32-inch 144 Hertz variant didn't hear anything from them after that about getting that monitor in it was pretty much supposed to be sent by the time but weeks before that point I sent some emails I was like hey I'm like you know gonna get this monitor am I gonna review it and they were basically never heard anything back from them I didn't hear anything back from them after I sent him my list of reasons and explanations to them some informational HDR stuff and there were keen on hearing I thought you know it's always positive when a company comes back to you and they say you know we want to improve our products but keen on getting your feedback and you just clarify a few things about this you know we want to make an ex-champ products better that's always good but then to not get feet not to hear from them are for that point and to sort of things to go dark on that side in terms of getting review samples is yeah not great so I wouldn't expect too much more from thank you so how fast is the fan right now yeah it's Auto fan speed so whatever it normally runs that the case fans are reasonably slow so yeah that's pretty much it at the moment thanks be a ap Bop for the 20 that's interesting symbol there it's at the rupee symbol we just have a quick google of this yes rupee thank you very much for the rupees there and I stab our global audience tuning in to us on this live stream and at the moment have you ever gamed on an OLED TV at 120 Hertz I'm super impressed coming from an HP omen 144 1440p 75 Hertz PC minor all that is great like don't get me wrong it's great technology and I haven't personally used a high refresh all this I'm used to 120 Hertz one but certainly I has a lot of advantages in terms of its colour reproduction terms of its contrast HDR it does basically per pixel local dimming which is fantastic but yeah it'd be great if they brought two miners but there's just issues with things like burning and image retention and power consumption that make them not as suitable as other technologies for monitors which is simply why we haven't seen them used typically they're also quite expensive and to get sort of like a monitor size in a density that's appropriate for a monitor is quite difficult especially with that reverting to like weird sub pixel array so these are you see on phones when they use all their displays as they often they don't stick to a standard RGB sub pixel matrix so the sub pixel matrix is for every pixel in the display you have a red and a green four on an LCD you have red blue and green crystals and each of those change depending on you know the levels that you need for the color for that particular pixel and on all LEDs at a height at a big that a big like on a TV even in 4k you still get that RGB for each of the your light-emitting diodes it in all in but once you start gaem shrinking them down to the size of like a smartphone you get into density issues where you can't fit the RGB next to each other so you get an issue where you need to switch to some pixel arrays that things like you know you might have one green for two pixels you'd still have your two Reds and your two blues we'd have one green and that means your sub pixel density is reduced compared to a native RGB sub pixel Ramon around so that's kind of the reason why we you know you might not see all that - there's a few reasons there I'd love to see it come tomorrow at some point with those problems solves but I think we're sort of more moving towards micro LED and mini LEDs the technologies that will take over there which offer some of the advantages of always like you're sort of more finer tuned ability the ability to more finely tune things like the backlight for things like that and yeah stuff like that have I used the Thermaltake arrow 360 soft tube water cooling kit I've not I believe Steve has but yeah you have to you have to ask him and yes Sal can pentile all LEDs are gross yeah I think I'm pent are all is I think it's pentile is that you know one green was either green or but I think it's green one green sub-pixel for two pixels I think they have some noticeable artifacting issues we can sort of see on the edges of like hard objects say like text for example you can sort of see some fringing of things like the red pixel sort of creeping into the next pixel the blue pixel sort of creeping into the next one so yeah I think the it's hard to notice on some displays but certainly it's not as crisp and clear as the true RGB sub pixel erase things like a 1440p five inched display oled response times literally a joke yes they're very fast 0.1 milliseconds they're crazy so fun stuff there would you pay an extra hundred fifty dollars for g-sync to your 144 Hertz 1440p monitor probably not it's a probably could be a controversial opinion considering you know a lot of people like their gsync and I use a g-sync monitor personally but the issue with 1440 144 Hertz monitors is that they're available now depending on the size for in that 300 to 350 dollar price bracket so you're talking about a $350 sale higher 3 250 $150 freesync monitor compared to a you know $500 g-sync monitor if when you add that hundred $50 on and I sort of think if the panels are exactly the same otherwise is it worth paying that's significant amount more just to get adaptive sync and I think in a lot of cases the answer is probably no if you're a gamer that plays in the 40 to 60 FPS bracket and you've consistently seen there you like playing in there for whatever reason you're not in to hire a fresh game even though you've bought a 144 Hertz monitor then yeah do you think it's going to improve your experience significantly compared to not having adaptive sync running so in that sense yeah but spending that extra under $50 is worth it but if you're up in the say a hundred plus FPS range so you're really utilizing your 144 Hertz one 1440p monitor then you're not gonna notice as much the advantages of adaptive sync even if you're running with vsync on or vsync off you might get a bit of tearing but it's tends to be harder to notice at the higher frame rates so certainly I would think that yeah it's probably not worth that hundred fifty dollars if you're game playing on gaming in that sort of frame rate range it really depends on your use case though and sort of what your budget is if you're just going out for the best monitor you can get you have your money to burn sure spend extra hundred fifty dollars on g-sync but from doing a lot of testing on these models and using them side-by-side I think it's quite hard to tell when adaptive sync is enabled when it's disabled at above sort of that 100 FPS range did I see Linus's r-tx Titan yes I saw it interesting I always thought there'd be a Titan coming out but yeah interesting that he leaked it what is my favorite video game so I just finished we're dead redemption - I played that for 70 hours on ps4 this will be you know I play my console games as well as my PC game so I played on peer support Pro I've realized that games for one of my favorite games of all time it's really really good if you have a console playing it I really hope it comes to PC so that because I know you guys don't have consoles don't do console gaming I really hope it comes to PC because it is an amazing game witcher 3 as well as one of my favorite games of all time civilization 4 is probably up there as well one of the GTA is probably GTA san andreas will be up there so certainly yeah those are some of the games I really like playing and yes worth buy an xbox one next well yeah sure my xbox one extra Red Dead Redemption if you want ps4 pros cheaper very so something to consider what is your expectation for na'vi do you feel like it would give us 1080 like performance for a reasonable price or is it going to be another Vegas situation so Vega would be something like giving us 1080 performance for a reasonable price I guess it didn't really launch at a reasonable price but today you know Vega 56 for example is quite reasonable no I expect Navi to be quite a big change the move to 7 anime is I mentioned this earlier in the stream the roof does 7 enemies will bring a lot of things you know just from the technical standpoint being able to clock higher you know have more course on the same size die I think as well there'll be a big architecture change like I said I think when you shrink nodes you tend to get those big architectural improvements so I think if you go with Navi moving 7 enemies there'll be a lot of change there I would certainly be I think you would I'd be shocked if it they didn't have a highly compare of high end GPU certainly that you know maybe they only come up with a 20 atti on 7 enemies that's still a massive jump for AMD and would certainly make them competitive at least for the short run depending on how expensive they can make that cheap you as well so yeah that's my expectations I'd be very disappointed if they couldn't at least match the 2080 eye or even exceeded for those sort of flagship tier prices so yeah that's what I'm hoping and expecting from aim be there was nothing huh what else we got lots of question that scroll back a little bit here you're probably missing it a fair few people Navi will give us GTX steady performance brought 200 to 300 dollars I would hope so I mean the GT x 1080 itself is you know it's not quite at those price to use but certainly getting cheaper and cheaper what's in my bottle this is just water this is boring Qualcomm branded water not a sponsor or you think we all really do anything with Qualcomm it's got this water boyfriend in one time yeah just water nothing exciting ah what I'll suffer here do I even game yes to a lot of game I've been playing at the moment I'll be playing Assassin's Creed Odyssey I'm about 30 hours in apart from the persistent stuttering issues and general crappiness on PC it's quite a fun game biking it apart from those technical problems so yeah it's been a bit of fun um what else we got here certainly is getting late guys 11:30 p.m. not sure how long I was thinking of doing it but whatever let us know if you want us to do more live streams in the future don't know what we really be doing on live streams but we're certainly interested in doing more live streams I've quite greens in my place so I can do them a lot of times do you have an estimate of how many kilowatts the system will consume over the 48 hours uh yeah it's a good question it's probably being that sort of 20 kilowatt range certainly need to have the streaming pc and the pc going and the lighting and the display going all at the same time is probably yeah and that sort of it won't be one kilowatt i wouldn't have thought it would be interesting to get the meter our wonderful it's one kilowatt but certainly above 500 watts to run all of this stuff I'd be thinking maybe six or seven hundred watts for everything all up it's only the GPU itself we'll be using you know sort of around that 250 watt mark yeah and the CP which isn't a 700 K so yeah yeah it's probably using a fair bit so yeah I'll be expecting to use maybe 30 to 35 kilowatt hours of power a lot of that will be offset by solar yeah we have solar so during the day you know I'll be running basically fully off so it's not anything to worry about but yeah lots of power lots of power I'm more interested about the fact that this video I'll be uploading like a hundred and fifty gig to YouTube over the next however much time are you in Steve trying to get into the anthem closed beta for next weekend I'd be interesting to get in what we're currently have at the moment probably not yeah Tim will you review Pacey cases in the future no probably not we're not neither Steve nor I are super interested in PC cases we just don't find them but particularly it's like a lot of that stuff you know PC you know keyboards and mice we find particularly interesting you know things like fans cooling I'm not particularly interesting you know it's nice to know which which of those things is the best we've considered doing roundups for sure but you know we're more interested in your components like your CPU - motherboards GPUs UV things like storage is something that we're not super interested in covering a lot on the channel also because it does it doesn't get this little interest that our other content does so that's always a consideration for us again game is Nexus does a really good job with their case content so you know we'd sort of have to you know we'd be competing with them a little bit in sort of doing that that content so yeah it's probably not something that we're interest and we're sort of more interested in so continuing to focus on our more into content because there's not a lot of good information about monitors we're having your test a lot more as we sort of build up a database of monitors and yeah so that's the sort of things we're just playing on specializing in and across testing CPUs motherboards GPUs games and monitors our schedule is pretty much full already so if we tried to fit in like another component into that you know there's not a lot of time to do it so even if we had more people on hand to test you know it's only Steve and I doing this stuff we don't have any other people working hard from it boxed in terms of like anything or anything it's just us we do everything all the testing it's all us even if we have more people to test after we probably wouldn't be moving big into that of this stuff so yeah we just try and do stuff that we finds interesting on the channel you know we don't want to you know some of those views that we count some of our videos you know not as big as we would like or not as big as we can some of our bigger videos but we're just doing because we like to eat and we like testing this stuff we like making the content so we just do it and that's probably a good good way to do it what else have we got here why does P&Y have so little market share compared to other companies yeah it's a good question I mean I sort of always grouped them in that same categories are those smaller manufacturers you know you got your soos MSI gigabytes or the big tears bigger companies like EVGA have to be in there for the our us audience as well then I was big here but they're big over there and you sort of put in like your pian works you sort likey XFX and your power covers and those sort of companies so yeah I don't know it's just that's the way it is you know there's bigger companies there's small companies with that thing you're gonna sit there for 40 head house no I'm not I'm gonna go to bed probably maybe like 20 minutes or so I see probably at 20 minutes and me being on the stream then we're going to focus just on this for the rest of it I was told that if you put an IPS panel next to a TN panel you'll never want to go T and ever again wonder how much truth there really is to that yeah there's a lot of truth to that and that's mainly for the reason that with TN panels the big disadvantage of them is their viewing angles and it's to the point where if you're not viewing it like directly dead-on everything's perfectly aligned your angles are good then you get major amounts of color shift so if you're slightly off-center you can get big changes in how the brightness how the colors are looking on that panel you get good things like good response times but also you know just think you get issues with things with tears like you know a lot of panels a 6-bit not 8-bit natively you get issues with you know a lot of panels not necessarily having good color quality in terms of maybe not reaching 100% srgb as IPS is more likely to do that contrasts tend to be worse on TN and IPS there's not a big difference between contrast 14 and IPS but yeah one of the sort of things you get from light IPS is that you sort of view it from slightly different angles and you don't get that massive color shift good quality tiens are still good in terms of their color reproduction there's certainly a fast fit sheet a lot of the time but IPS is that step up in a lot of regards I still think of it yeah this panel here is a VA panel that we're using for this stream I think VA is probably the sort of best mix and combination of things but every type of monitor has its problems when you go to bed is this just going to be a camera watching the screen until someone wakes up and talks we probably won't come back and talk at all during the rest of the stream we'll have to move on to doing other stuff that means the weekend so you probably be doing too much stuff tomorrow but yes after I've after I leave the stream it will just be focused on this for the next 46 hours so I don't expect any of you guys to stick around we're just gonna keep it running you can come back and check it from time to time see how it's go and see whether it's died don't expect it to die but yes it will become very very boring after I leave the stream so yeah that's pretty much where it's at ha what else is going on what Ram frequency will you suspect sent to achieve not sure we'd hope it to be higher sin second-gen rise and still fairly capable in terms of that but yeah you never know could you just move the monitor to the left and show it's inside the case yeah when I leave I'll be I'll reposition the camera Britt so you can see the case which is just off screen here and the display a bit more and then we will leave it at that pretty much no I'm not gonna sleep in the chair come on guys okay I know that something you know it'll be this second time left to sleep during this live stream that'll be when all the stuff goes down probably who knows what about a power outage have you hooked up to a UPS no I don't have a UPS but in the entire time I've been living in the CBD of Melbourne or in the general area of Melbourne I've never had a power outage the only time we've ever had a power outage was when it was scheduled to do work but never have power interruptions here and the power delivery is really good even during the summer just never have issues I guess we might be lucky sometimes and the Internet has I'm no chooser we've chosen that ISP well so we don't have any internet issues either so we don't expect any of those things to go down during the stream I'm not even try for internet works if the power goes to analytic the NBN box we've got he requires power not sure we have to check that do you think they 3,700 X will be 299 hundred K depends if they can get the clock speed similar to the nine hundred K for getting the call count which I expect to be higher if they can get the clock speeds right up there they can improve the IP see if they can get the latency is down if they can get better memory support and if they can introduce those things like you know proper AVX support which seems like they're doing then yeah I would expect it to be yeah pretty powerful when do you expect affordable 4k 75 Hertz panels to hit the market I've been waiting for them for years um not sure 75 Hertz is going to be the next step for 4k I think they'll just go full up to 120 Hertz because it seems like that the panel's that they're making at the moment the ones that can do 4k 60 Hertz can only do 60 Hertz and then the ones that can do high refresh can do high refresh the thing that we're sort of seeing with the 75 Hertz modes for 1080p and for 1440p is not speed but definitely for 1080p that was mostly them making 60 Hertz Morrow's that could by chance also go up to 75 Hertz they started to sort of been the monitors or been the panels a bit again I guess so they could get them up to 75 Hertz because you know a lot of people find that they could just get a 60s modern overclock it so I think we're 75 Hertz our 4k probably not going to be as big and I think if there weren't going to be high refresh powers which they're starting to manufacture then they'll just go to 120 Hertz fall out so like we see what some 120 Hertz 4k TVs so yeah blame them for years yeah don't expect them to be big thing Liz Peck has donated $5 thanks for the super chat there is there a certain amount of time before you should upgrade your modem / router and do the more expensive ones make a difference so we don't cover monitors all that much on hardware I mean so compromises modems and routers on hardware unbox all that much but so I guess the main question is when should you upgrade so the the time you should be thinking of upgrading is if there's a router out there that has better capabilities than your existing router there's no point really you know I mean this makes sense right you wouldn't upgrade to a newer monitor or newer router if it does pretty much exactly the same thing your old one does but I think it can't it comes down to sort of the devices you have in your house as well because there's no point buying a router that has you know it has more antennas that can do more my most dreams it has more bands there's no point paying for that functionality if your Wi-Fi capable devices can't harness those capabilities so for example but if you were you know back in the early days of attitudes 11ac and you had an 802 211 n router there was a lot of point upgrading from n to AC if you didn't have any AC devices you were just early adopting and you'd have to wait until you get those AC devices and even now even though AC is sort of been widespread in the market there are still a wide difference between devices that you know can do multi-user mimo which is one of the big you know sort of modern features you get with the mid-range too high and routers mu-mimo and that sort of thing that I'd be looking at if I was buying a I actually recently upgraded my router I got a whole bunch of stuff like my mo massive your bandwidth capabilities and that just you know determines how many devices you can have connected at once the more capabilities the more bandwidth you have you know the more antennas you have the my mode capabilities all determines how many devices you can have so I think if it's at the point where you have a lot of devices they can harness these new capabilities if you've sort of moved to a bigger house you need better range you know modern routers can do far better ranges and older routers they certainly are improving that a lot that's sort of where be thinking about upgrading your router to and certainly as you add more devices into your house for example you know maybe five years ago you only had two or three devices now you might have 10 or 15 devices connected to Wi-Fi there could be that advantage especially if you're streaming a lot of like videos streaming or YouTube or something like that there could be that advantage to upgrading to get all those capabilities again depends on what sort of devices you have in your house another super chat here as well thank you gackt una 64 I hope I'm pronouncing that right again you ever consider doing this test twinning AET I as a main card with Vegas 64 in beer five of the dx12 enabled um yeah not sure does dx12 support that level of multi-gpu in terms of cross vendor multi-gpu because I know with DirectX 12 it's all up to the implementation of the developers as to whether they you know how they sort of use their multi-gpu so yeah it's probably not something that would be looking into all that much it would be more of a sort of oh that's nice if it works sort of thing but I think it'd be interesting in the games that do have you know that proper support for multi-vendor multi-gpu which I'm not sure about four or five does again I'll have to look into it the interesting thing is put in your AMD cards into a system and then trying to get free sink running through them that's one of the things we covered on the channel a while back haven't really looked back into that to see if updating if that still works because again for example run by a Vegas 64 to do it you would buy like an entry-level AMD GP that supports free sync and it was possible back when I tested that video in some situations not all of them to have that you plug your money into the AMD GPU and then basically you tell Windows to run your you know GPU intensive apps on your main NVIDIA GPU and then you can basically get both the benefit of free sync through the AMD GPU and you actually running on your faster NVIDIA GPU work sometimes wasn't 100% perfect but it did work sometimes which is pretty interesting pretty interesting yes Steve says kind of pointless Steve are you still awake I thought you would have gone to bed by now your old man don't you always say that if you stay up too late that you get you wake up too early the next day or something and you know sorts of problems with your yes stuff by doing that sort of thing who knows when will DL SS be available it says Adam very good question I don't know we're constantly sort of checking with developers checking within video to see when these technologies are available is why we sort of first on that with the DXi in battlefield 5 sort of thing DSS is available right now in the Final Fantasy 15 benchmark publicly so if you have an RTF card and you want to check out do SS in that benchmark it's only in the benchmark I don't think it'll ever come to the game because there's sort of finished development on it but it is available in that game so that's kind of it for now I hope it comes to more themes because we really want to we already did test it in the benchmarks that were available it wasn't that impressive but we would really want to test it in real world game implementations to sort of get to the bottom of that further sort of look into it further to see how it's going yeah that's kind of where we're at for do SS Tim have you ever experienced having to disable integrated graphics and device manager to not freeze the system there's a nice plane going to go you're headed moment I have to go through five safe most update my radio and drivers yes sometimes it depends on the system particularly the laptops you can get a few issues with integrated graphics messing things up which gets to serving the integrated graphics can make a difference suddenly sure I run into all that much but it can help sometimes if you're asking a Steve to do a fishing adventure video you'll have to check out our patreon exclusive behind-the-scenes videos Steve's been doing a lot of videos exclusive for our patrons he's building a shed at the moment so he's currently being sort of giving progress updates of him on this project is doing entire thing himself to put a whole bunch of steel and all the sort of stuff to to build it with so yeah a few interesting sort of things that we do outside of the sort of benchmarking stuff our patreon behind-the-scenes videos have been that stuff and if Steve goes fishing I'm sure that because he bloody loves fishing that he'll love to talk about that in a behind-the-scenes video so we'll see what's happening there but certainly if we do that there'll be now patreon behind scenes stuff oh yes getting late here yes as Sal says who is one of our patreon members in our disco chat Steve posted yeah about like 40 pictures of him fishing in the discord doing fun stuff there so yeah and yet you do get access to a discord chat if you're a picture of memory don't hang out with us as well but we talk about that pretty much everybody here so even her to say that by now then yeah okay Gordon and Steve have both recent links discussed there Nass tries failing have you had any experience with this if so where else do you back up - yeah it's interesting I watched Steve's video about the NASA nology NASA's fairing that's disappointing our notes our Steve Howey unbox Steve has used sonority stuff a little bit personally I just have all my drives in my a few systems so something like I've got like a storage server sort of that has a bunch of stuff on that I've some files on it but then my main system it has 16 terabytes of drives in it itself so I just basically just use that and I haven't really reached the point where that 16 terabytes has been fully utilized so I'd probably be looking at personally I wouldn't be looking at an a so be more looking at building a full-on storage PC Steve says he hasn't any issues with Synology so if fingers crossed there but yeah dunk v2 has sent over 2 pounds through super check can you show something from the chef behind you yeah sure what do you want to see from the shop I'll happily get something off the shelf but you'll have to tell me what you want to see so have a look at overviews got some Lego stuff the boxes are very boring they're just random random boxes of stuff but if you have something you want to see dunk v2 let me know in the chat I'll get off we can have a look the wd-40 come on guys you don't want to see the wd-40 it is up there though it's up there somewhere putting on this stuff's hard and hopefully Duncan VA gets back to us so we can show you whatever he wants to see in the shop ah he says BBA all right let's get bb-8 down maybe I'll grab the TIE fighter you'll see that okay so here is the Lego bb-8 so it's got the sort of spring-loaded head on it it doesn't really roll obviously Lego would roll quite poorly but yes its head moves it's got various different things in it like it's got the little flame that comes out here so let's go real you can sort of rotate that into and there's you can rotate the head here using this other one on this side and then on the back there is nothing so it's messy you just got those few features there you sort of build in and yeah so that's the Lego bb-8 there that you wanted to see these aren't actually that well it's Lego is always expensive but these aren't that expensive so that is the bb-8 that dunk v2 wanted to see they're so fun stuff it if you guys want to see the Ty fire as well Steve says oh no Tim is playing with his Legos this dream is gonna go away yeah will go away now so it's hi fire so the tie fires I could see a lot bigger it's much heavier so this one I think you can open it up and in the top there is a little seat in there I think that's pretty much all the features it has that particular one so nothing too exciting there that is the ultimate collector series TIE fighter it comes with the stand which you can maybe see in the background wd-40 it is actually real legitimate wd-40 I'm not smashing anything Steve come off it so this is your standard wd-40 can it's got the nice little nozzle just in case you want to spray things closer this is legit wd-40 know that fake OH stuff with legit wd-40 came from Bunnings Warehouse would you believe it our local hardware store - 75 grand can so your standard stuff and if I was going to review wd-40 I would certainly give it at least an 8 out of 10 I think it's quite a good lubricant product and the particular can with its adjustable nozzle you know that's got to give it at some point so maybe 9 out of 10 with the nozzle versatile does a lot of things and yeah penetrates lubes things good stuff what am I watching here okay I've got another super chat show you the big digger and make some noises of a digging please the dig is probably the heaviest thing that's on the channel in the background but you guys want it so I'll bring it okay this this is the Chuck going out of hand wanted to see the Lego stuff well fair enough you guys don't even see the background from time to time so this is the bucket-wheel excavator one of the largest LEGO Technic sets it's battery-powered so there's some switches and stuff up here that we can turn on we can make this stuff and you can have some fun noises coming through because this thing's not pretty loud yes that's the bucket-wheel excavator it's got other features as well I can rotate the disc and rotate and it can drive forwards as well using the various different toggles up here and but yeah so thank you to Eric Chong who wanted to see the bucket-wheel excavator and make some noises of her digging so this is it this took ages to build to ages its scooping power is quite bad though because you can just stop it with your finger pretty much pretty easily and yeah probably does need some wd-40 but we stopped that because it's very annoying noise all right style asks what's the backplate tempat okay let's give that a look absolutely didn't put my thermocouple round this side sorry back plate temps come yet seventy two point five degrees Celsius we also have 54 degrees exhaust and 36 degrees case ambient and 24 degrees 24 degrees in the room at the moment I am just gonna get to do a quick break and come back because why not I'm having fun I don't need to go to be anytime soon so I'll be back in a couple minutes all right no need to worry guys that didn't go to bed all right what's been happening fishing bikes I guess maybe I was away Marian see it has given us a super chat here my ITEX 20 80 blue screens in arc when I fly in online service but is fine on single-player there seems to be a very common problem fight X is any comment I yeah honestly I haven't heard about this problem before but that certainly is pretty unusual to have it blue screen in particular with that particular card in that specific setting hmm Briony I would imagine that that's just a driver problem so you hopefully get enough you know support from it video you know make a bit of noise and you might fix that one but yeah I meant that's a driver issue something that it does in the online segment is different from the single plane it's just screwing up somehow that's a very unusual problem yeah certainly haven't heard about that one Daru dissents don't come on we don't drink VB I know we're from Victoria but we're not we don't drink for you be seriously what Internet service provider are you with Aussie broadband in case you're wondering they have very good reliability and speeds no problems had no problems within this entire time so yeah that's pretty much it wouldn't be funny if I was still my top tree on my break yeah that would have been funny but I'm not wearing a lapel mic so no chances for that that happening greetings from Malaysia what are the best places to visit in Australia um yeah visiting an Australian down here in Melbourne unless you're really like so your food and restaurants cafes that sort of thing probably not a whole lot to see down here I'd be definitely going to either you know the desert in the centre so going to see like Leroux and that sort of area in the Northern Territory also the Great Barrier Reef is spectacular I've got somewhere like Port Douglas head there go out see the go out see the reef and yes Sydney as well if you like seeing things like the Opera House the harbour briefed I've got a really good zoo there as well so if you want to see like the Australian animals you don't actually see them out in the outback go there that's probably my recommendations there and I'm just know I'm going to knock that down maybe I'll leave this here just in case crabby gamer has sent us some rupees thank you for that scar two or Zephyrus m10 70 so that's laptop question talking about the asou rog versions of those laptops the scars good like it's good but it's more of a mid-range laptop this is efforts being a higher-end laptop I think personally find buying a gaming laptop I really want it to be portable so I've got the zephyrus and from that perspective simply because it actually is a very portable system and the good thing about both those systems if the Scotch with is represent is both of them come with a fully fledged gtx 1070 not the max-q variant the old zephyrus had up to a 1080 max cube I believe the new Zephyrus M version has that actual full 1070 in it rather than going for the 1080 max cute so yes that that would be my choice obviously it's much more expensive to get the Zephyrus that's something you have to keep in mind but I love the portability as any of hardware box life has changed or adapted to your life since joining um that's an interesting question has my life change I mean I was never really a super talkative person and not super comfortable get in front of a camera so I think I've gotten a lot better at that since joining certainly been hopefully working on that a little bit um yeah I mean my schedule I'll guess is just sort of similar to how always has been I think because I was doing this for textbook before now there wasn't a lot of change in sort of you know there's always been times where we really need to get things out on time so there'd be a lot of crunching and working you know late hours into the night and getting up early to finish it off the next day we did that with that RTX video in battlefield 5 we did a lot of work on that didn't get much sleep to get that one out so I mean that sort of stuff was sort of happening before the hardware unboxed I just think the main way is like just we have a lot we were getting a lot more stuff now that we were doing harbor and box like a lot more hardware's been coming in so a lot more times needed to be focused on it sort of organizing all the stuff we have and that's all things that's probably where that where that comes from what do you think is the best GPU to get for 1440p 144 Hertz now the 1080i is out of stock he's the 2088 good middle ground just grew up to the 2002 I um the 20 hei is probably overkill for 1440p 144 Hertz that's really for your 4k gaming 2080 would be very good for 1440p 144 Hertz so yeah go 28 for that one I reckon ah the asparagus juice the asparagus juice so that is so for those of you who weren't around for megamix which happened to Computex 2018 we do stream we've got some Asian drinks we mix them all together at the end which is a bad idea but we had this thing here asparagus juice green asparagus juice this is the most disgusting drink I've ever tasted in fact just the worst tasting thing ever it's awful it kinda tastes like asparagus but in a bad way like a smooth asparagus is fine but this is like asparagus sitting in water and just sort of stewing and it's got like a very like type descry like a sort of weak vegetable water like almost as if you'd boiled vegetables and then drank the water that's what this tastes like in a bat in a really bad way so I don't know why you would drink this it's just it's it's beyond me but it's it's off it truly is terrible and now forever lives in on the Shelf have I tried a Geryon yes I've tried a juried I thought it was pretty bad I think not it wasn't as you know some people say that ruins smell really bad and taste good I just thought it tasted like a weed sort of onion just yeah wasn't yeah really worse it wasn't really that bad but it wasn't bad it wasn't good either so yeah not good funnily enough there's a guy that lives around here that drives a durian truck so there's durians or something I'm using the jury in business I don't know and is this still live here its life but that person asked is it live yep it's still live probably gone for a bit longer than I thought I would go to and yeah it is it's the 2nd of December now it is past midnight and nothing interesting has happened in the stream that I was expecting anything interesting happen at this point so will you let your stream go for 48 hours yes I'm gonna get off the stream go to bed and just leave it running for the next two days yep certainly interesting stuff so I'm guessing that the card with the clock speeds which I believe let me look 1635 megahertz yeah it's probably just hearing that sort of thermal limit because it is running at 86 degrees on the core 74 degrees on the back plays well last time I checked so yep so yes stop clocks that's out runs it's stopped you can certainly get out much higher with overclocking and working a bit more on their thermals can I tell me you guys know about my personal main gaming system so it's basically the system you would have seen in the thread Ripper 2950 X build so it's got a thread Ripper 2950 X I have an overclocked or anything is just writing stock at the moment but he hits about the sort of four gigahertz mark quite reasonably it depends on the workload but that's a good sort of amount that it gets to it's on the msi meg x3 no no creation motherboard so one of those really top and actually 99 boards has been great I love that board I'm running and a gigabyte RT X xx atti in my main system so that's been good for gaming I use an ultra wide monitor 3440 by 1440 100 Hertz and that checks between ati and ultra sayings does get you up around the 100 FPS mark in all the games so it's good for that it's got 32 gigabytes of course their vengeance LED memory ddr4 3000 I'll be upgrading that 64 gig at some point there's just pew SSDs few hard drives in there it's in the coarser Obsidian 500 day I've got a Corsair I forgot the box so here yeah I got the 150 I Pro in there I've got an RM 850 X in there as well so that's mine that's my main system use it for video editing use it for gaming use it for everything if it did die how would you know it was the Cardinal a power supply issue well if it was a power supply we could just swap out the power supply if it's the card we could swap into another system and if it still doesn't work then it's dead pretty much what else is happening how badly do you really need heat singsong ddr4 probably not that required but yeah probably improves things a little bit but RAM temperatures never really a big issue especially if you have you even some form of airflow in the system this is sort of massive you're overclocking and running at those really high speeds and you might need to think about it but really it's not really a huge point of it any idea what's delaying the susi g32 shown at Computex ah Nick you asked us a lot about the CG 32 because I think very interested in it still no word and the main thing about that is that a soos is well known to release monitors to announce monitors so far ahead of when they're actually released someone is like a year later you might be lucky to get them released like 18 months so yeah if there's no word there's no word unfortunately have I just been answering questions for last two hours oh yeah pretty much pretty much it's been fun though we've showing off some stuff from the set that you guys wanted to see surfs like the BBA showing off the TIE fighter the bucket-wheel excavator all that sort of thing so yeah your thoughts on pulling SSD prices and guess terminal when spinning Ruster we're a place for home media storage yes nice 10 SSD prices come down but hard drive prices also come down so I Drive like an 8 terabyte drive is really affordable now you get your 10 12 terabytes or on the market as well so I don't think they will ever really replace that sort of you know tier they could be a point where you simply can't get enough storage inside an actual hard drive which would then make them less attractive than a solid state drive which could potentially be have higher density but I don't think that will ever get to a point where SSDs is that sort of like prices that are currently you'd say for a hard drive they'll certainly get a lot cheaper but not that level so yeah it's certainly at a point where SSD is very affordable but yeah I wouldn't see that happening and certainly I think yeah you're there's always gonna be that trade-off of hard drives of slow but are going to be big SSD is gonna be fast but smaller or they might just be fast the same capacity but more expensive that's just that sort of thing are we likely to see a large-scale shift of ddr5 to 2019 very unlikely it still seems a while away if a Star Wars item was being bought for you this Christmas what would you like it to be I don't know I don't know your own most their star was legal I want to own so maybe not that are you XR on my T no I went to the University of Melbourne so maybe there's a rivalry there I don't know it never really did much that stuff when I was at uni crucial nx500 or Samsung at 60 evo the 860 evo is faster than the MX 500 so that could be reason to get it but I think if you're getting in that if you're in that sort of cited tier of SS days you should just get like a really dirty ape Drive so like the 860 q vu the new Samsung Drive is very very affordable the MX 500 very affordable so that's sort of what I think think if you want that sort of if you look up an SSD for performance you should be going like m2m not to nvme drives PCIe that sort of thing please say something about Intel GPUs before I hit the hay yeah it's hard to know until it's going to do it their GPUs I'd be surprised if they were at the performance level that in video I am Dee were at at the time that they come out so if it is then come out 2020 I'd be surprised if they were as powerful as Amy or nvidia gpus at that time where there be affordable obviously they have to have some advantage so where that's price to performance or something they'll be interesting I certainly think they will be designed primarily for compute so they'll be heavily focused on you know your double precision compute your also your things like into a in for deep learning that sort of thing so I would imagine that the GP would be very heavily designed towards that so you interesting to see what the the bounce will be between sort of traditional shader cause and the cause that are designed for those you know other types of processing yeah interesting stuff why don't arm processes enter the desktop space arm processes are slow they're coming into the laptops at the moment but they don't scale particularly well up to the sort of high waters that you see with Intel CPUs and Intel CPUs and AMD as well but on x86 have a lot of instructions that arm processes can't execute so because they're just not built to handle that those sort of pipelines so that's kind of the reason why you don't see arm fully in the desktop space there be a lot of compatibility issues as well with but your applications built for x86 not working on arm good for specialized tasks like data centers that can specialize and use instructions you things like your tablets and phones that are built on arm so let me know makes a lot of sense they're sort of acceleration with ARM processors as well what's the time there it's currently nearly 12:30 a.m. here in Australia so yeah fun stuff how long until internally is 10 animated desktop CPUs hopefully next year but will sort of wait and see what the level of 10 nanometer we get whether it's sort of like a cut-down crappy 10 nanometer or whatever so yeah interesting and hey Brian I see that techy our city has joined us for a bit of our fun times here so yeah it's probably getting towards the end of the bit where our be on the stream the stream will continue to run for a long time after this can we cook an egg on the back plate in the morning probably let's take a look at the temperature so we're currently 73 degrees on the back plate so it's probably could be used for eggs if you've got some sort of device you could cook the egg on there yeah possibly it's a big metal slab in there too yeah you might want to towel it up or at least put something on there to sort of prevent the egg from slipping out everywhere so yeah that's kind of what be happening there what else we got here the best GPU for 1440p ultra gaming probably like a 1070 TI or a Vega 56 at the moment going on pricing very good value for money there what else we got here yeah what's your preference of drink wine spirits beer or a cheeky premix I prefer beer out of though of that selection not a huge fan of wine or pre-mixed drinks I think they're mostly terrible spirits yeah I can go a good spirit like a good whisky that sort of thing like a good whisky but yeah joints like Bo sighs one would normally drink on sort of like a hot night like to that and yes I'll I do reckon that the 2080 GI issue is some sort of manufacturing issue I think it's probably some batch of components that they used maybe it's the memory maybe some other component that was there used on the boards used on the validation piece of a design is faulty in some way and they just shipped out cars it was missed in the QA testing somehow you know I just think that is the situation there single malt or blended of course single malt blended stuff is pretty rubbish got it good if you're mixing it with like coke or something but if you're gonna drink it straight you definitely to get a single malt what did i study at university so i have a master's degree in electrical engineering so that's what I studied it was fun it was interesting stuff good to get some info on sort of how how stuff's designed did some PCB staff all that sort of things so yeah I've done stuff like PCB design done designs of filters that sort thing there's a lot of what Electrical Engineering was sort of focused on a lot of maths sort of figuring out those sort of things and yeah books a few things it was fun it was interesting and now I'm doing this so fun stuff and yes sadly a lot of good and electrical engineering degree does we were just making YouTube videos yeah I know I could have got a job doing engineering I guess but I think this is a much better life to have much more fun I get to work from home which is great someone asked scotch or Japanese um I like both I sent to find all other Japanese stuff to be better from just from the stuff I've justice or similar price categories just prefer some of the taste of the Japanese stuff but scotch is good too depends what he's there and don't ask me to remember any names of any whiskey because I've no idea don't remember anything what was my final year project so we did a really interesting file your project we built a communication system that communicated over alcohol molecules we built the system that basically would physically spray alcohol across a room we developed a coding system fairly unique and interesting coding system it was different to different to how modern like Internet coding actually works so you do a lot of stuff on that so our project is log focus a big focus on that suicide the communication side of Electrical Engineering so yeah it's really slow but we did some interesting things there with have how to get a sensor response to work well how I could sort of deal with errors and that sort of thing so yeah that's what we do and we could send hello world in like a few maybe like a minute it's pretty slow am I going to see yes Brian probably not probably not not super interesting gonna say yes I think we'll probably escape a tad at Computex some of you don't have plans to go see yes so if there's anything happening or recovering from here I would build a the similar system that we were using with a wd-40 but may be difficult to find a sensor that would detect wd-40 there's probably an oil sensor actually but would just depend what sort of response is like the alcohol sisters will quite fast and didn't require a lot of alcohol to detect so that made them really good for sort of the application were using it for but yeah every written a book would I have no I'd never I've never consider writing a book that'll be a lot of work so yeah that wouldn't happen alright alright a very Australian final project anything to work with booze yeah yeah it did work with booze we did most of the tests with methylated spirits but yeah work with booze for sure fun stuff have I been here for two hours yes I'll be seen here for two and a half hours now pretty much except for that one time I took a break for like a minute but yeah it's like 12:30 a.m. so I should probably get off the stream soon and go to bed I'm not gonna spray the wd-40 in here guys seriously ah interesting stuff what are my opinions on the architects tighten that lino showed off you mentioned that a few times in the stream already but basically not surprised they're coming out with 90 XTi and interesting that Linus linked it in that way but whatever see the fun stuff fun stuff luckily it's still working don't want my twin hei to die that would be bad so I guess I'll probably wrap it up in a moment so if you have any final questions probably getting them in now and I answer a few more before we get going and yeah yeah no Brian no no wd-40 spraying what time is in Australia it is 12:30 3:00 a.m. as we heard about the 12-hour issue with YouTube I have to look into that in the morning to see what the situation is there if they only save the last 12 hours yeah I get worthy really interest in saving the part if it dies we're only interested in saving the part when it dies and I don't think there'll be any situation where would be a wave from looking at it for 12 hours so yeah that certainly is the sort of thing that would happen if it the last 12 hours of the stream should have the part where it dies in it because if it dies we're going to keep your stream right for 48 hours or just stop and have a look at it and going that sort of thing and probably you know do some testing on the live stream to see what's going on there but yes that's pretty much it only says last 12 hours that's that's it love mechanical keyboards okay yeah 12-hour timer for the archived broadcasts so she'll be able to go for the full 48 hours anyone who's joined should be able to go back and watch the start probably an interesting bit but yeah the archive might be yet destroyed for whatever reason but that's fine whatever okay mmm ITT games MIT games I sent through $2 thanks for that on the super chat thoughts in the ASA 32 inch 4k 60fps juicing display I assume you mean the new one that's coming out yeah I think that's looking good not sure the ACR capabilities will be liked but certainly to get those monitors like that yeah it should be good to get some new 4k options that are a bit different have a bit bit more HDR capabilities in them and yeah so yeah looking forward to seeing those I think acer mentioned they're beginning at least one of those out sometime in December is when they said that they'd be ready for sampling so that's hopefully when I'm yeah looking into that and if you're not talking about the new ones you're just talking about some of the existing ones most g-sync motors are pretty good they're validated quite well how many people work with Auburn box it's just Steve and I we do everything all the testing all the benchmarking all the video editing everything's done by just either of us dunk v2 asks on super chair thanks to that what is hotter GTX 480 or RT x20 atti that's a good question the tweeter TI gets pretty hot but GZ explained you could practically cook meat on that thing but again a lot of Nvidia's stock cooler designs have been pretty met for a while pretty hot so certainly I don't think probably overall though the GTX 480 for what it was delivering was certainly a very hot product probably the hottest ever thanks Brian for the congratulations on 300k subs I haven't celebrated too much but I probably do something with Steve comes back over here to do some curios and all that sort of thing but yeah so nice to pass 300k good good to get some support from you guys out there and yeah thanks for the support for the years there have been benchmarking this okay yeah it's probably time to go off the stream I reckon yeah I might actually what I might do is stop the stream for the first part so that we can just save this sort of Q&A discussion bit in the start of the video and then I'll start up a second stream shortly they'll pretty much following straight on from this that will cover the rest of the stream which will just be the boring view of this for the next forty six forty five and a half hours so yes pretty much what I'm going to do in a couple of minutes if you have any final questions get those in so yeah that would just allow people to watch the interesting part of the stream and then we'll keep the stream going without any interesting bits for the rest of it is it a heaven benchmark for 48 hours if so what made you choose that benchmark it's based on the hard OCP thing which was their card they tested that in heaven for eight hours then it died so that's pretty much what we were we just want to emulate the same thing there's plenty of stuff you can loop but it's a very easy benchmark to loop and yeah that's pretty much the reason for that and yeah fun times do not move the wd-40 says MIT games no that will still be there be able to enjoy that might be a little bit out of frame I might have to you know put that more like this so you guys see it for the next part but we'll leave it there we'll leave it there okay how much money electricity with this dream cost is interesting estimated before that we'll probably use somewhere in the 30 to 35 kilowatt hour mark which isn't too bad on current electricity prices but half of that will be salt will be fully done by solar during the day hours so they'll cut that but pretty significant and they'll cut all of the daytime running out of it so maybe then we're looking at - yeah I don't know maybe be looking at like 20 K 20 kill what else who knows which will cost like 10 bucks maybe now it's it sounds a bit higher it's like 50 cents a kilowatt hour now be less than that but to the ground yeah with the bonus of the ground that would be interesting for the stream that's for sure alright that's gonna do it for this stream guys thanks for tuning in to the hardware on boxed 24-hour or 48-hour I should say I'm getting tired that's what you get for 12:40 a.m. thanks for tuning in to the RT x 2080 i 48-hour livestream I'm gonna stop this stream setup part 2 of the stream in a couple of minutes just so that we can archive the first part because someone alerted us to the fact that if we go for 48 hours alone they keep the last 12 hours of streaming so we want to keep this interesting part the start for anyone to watch and then the boring part well that's just the boring part doesn't really know if that's kept for the full 48 hours so I'm sure you guys will be keen as mustard to watch part 2 and to see all that stuff just the boring screen for the next 46 hours you can tune in whenever you want to check back from time to time to see if anything's happened I probably won't be on that stream to talk to you guys at any point I'll probably just be coming in to monitor things from time to time probably won't be any more discussion of all got all the discussion out in this part so yeah that's the situation thanks everyone for watching and stay tuned for the fun part - and catch you next one