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welcome back to harbor unboxed today we're once again looking at second generation rising performance but this time with tweaked memory sub timings and this is a benchmark that many of you have been requesting over the past few weeks so we've decided it's about time we looked into it before we start tuning our ddr4 memory though this video has been sponsored by Squarespace whether you need a domain website or online store make up with Squarespace and for more information please check the link in the video description right so tuning memory timings on the Rison platform that's been a thing since AMD first released there's an architecture roughly at this time last year and we have seen plenty of evidence that it really helps gaming performance bumps those frame rates up quite nicely but with memory support for the first gen rising CPUs already a bit sketchy we've often felt those results were somewhat misleading over the past year for example we have had many dozen first generation rising seven and rising five processes land on our test bed and many of them have struggled with ddr4 3,200 memory that said though in the past 12 months memory support has improved and I'd say that most of those improvements have come via the way of bias updates though we are seeing more Verizon optimized ddr4 memory hit shelves as well it's also important to note that a specific kind of memory IC is required to support the aggressively tuned memory timings required to maximize Verizon's performance so it's not something you can achieve with old ddr4 memory for this you will require modules featuring Samsung's be de-iced ES and these only come on certain eight gigabyte ddr4 memory modules this is premium memory the best of the best so it's not cheap and while no ddr4 memory is cheap right now this stuff is particularly expensive for example sixteen gigabyte ddr4 3,200 kits featuring two eight gigabyte modules start at a hundred and seventy dollars u.s. you can purchase G skills tried and zf4 3200 C 16 D 16 GT z KW man these things are worse than monitor names you can get that kit for the 170 price tag however the Samsung B diversion known as the f430 200 C 14 D 16 GT Z K Y which operates at much tighter timings at cell 14 versus cell 16 that kit costs $200 u.s. so it's $30 us more or an 18 percent increase in price and while that might not sound like a huge amount considering how expensive memory already is tacking another $30 us on certainly does hurt out of the box the CL 14 memory allows for better gaming performance and while it's possible to tune certain timings for better results with both memory types you can it be far more aggressive with the cell 14 Samsung video memory circling back to what I mentioned earlier one of horizons biggest issues since release has been memory compatibility and a try and combat that AMD's had to sacrifice a lot of performance by loosening timings to improve compatibility for a wider range of memory modules a touched on why memory frequency and more importantly latency impacts arises performance so heavily in a recent video exploring IPC performance if you missed that video in short aim DS infinity fabric used to connect these CCX modules is tied to the memory clock rate so faster memory reduces cortical latency when talking between CX modules horizon 7 1800 X for example features 2 c CX modules each houses for cause those 4 cores within a CC X module have a cortical latency of about 40 nanoseconds and this latency isn't influenced by memory speed however cortical communication between CCX modules is dramatically slower with ddr4 2400 memory you're looking at a delay of about 140 nanoseconds that's around three and a half times longer it is possible to reduce that delay to about 110 nanoseconds with ddr4 3200 memory and naturally it's reduced further though with faster lower latency memory so far we found the newer second-generation rise in CPUs Packer more robust to memory controller than the first-generation Rison CPUs and AMD's official spec also suggests that this is indeed the case as the official memory spec has increased from ddr4 2666 today 29:33 that said though you will require a high-quality motherboard likely featuring a six layer PCB to take advantage of the higher frequency memory initially through trial and error we started shooting these sub timings on the asrock x4 70 Taichi ultimate and we were seeing some seriously good gains during that testing though the ax soos ROG crosshair 7 hero arrived and we put the memory tuning on a hold to benchmark the Rison 5 2600 using that of soos motherboard during that testing I stumbled upon the memory presets within the dram timing control menu and here asus has provided a number of profiles for those using samsung b die memory the best of these profiles were created by finnish overclock at the stilt and here we have 3233 33 and 34 66 configurations having seen how well the stilts 3466 profile worked with my g.skill sniper x ddr4 3400 memory this is what I decided to test so the following benchmarks feature the Rison 5 2600 overclock to 4.2 you goats using the standard extreme memory profile for the g.skill flex ddr4 3200 memory then using the same memory ivory tested twice using the stilts 3466 profile at 3400 and then once again with the still to 3200 profile for comparison i've thrown in my core i5 8600 count 8700 k results and post those CPUs are running at 5.2 gigahertz along with the 7700 K at 5 gigahertz their eyes in 5 1604 gigahertz has also been included along with the core i5 8400 which can't be overclocked and therefore it isn't all those processors were tested using G skills flex ddr4 3200 cell 14 memory ok let's get into the results first up we have the sustained memory balance performance and here the TWiT ddr4 3200 profile increase the memory bandwidth by 4 percent while the tweaked ddr4 32 400 configuration offered 10% more bandwidth than the standard configuration for applications that aren't really memory balance sensitive or even memory latency sensitive we see no impact at all the Cinebench r15 single and multi-threaded performance was basic identical regardless of the memories setup the video editing school was increased ever so slightly here the tune to 3200 memory improved performance by 3 percent while the ddr4 3,400 profile offered a four percent performance jump not really noteworthy gains but performance is clearly improved beyond the margin of error again we see pretty minor gains this time in the PC Mar 10 gaming physics tests are not really much worth noting here the tune configurations were slightly faster but really nothing to get excited about basically no real gains were seen in the accel test either a handbrake saw no real performance gains the same could also be said about the corona benchmark then in blender the 2600 took just 27 seconds to complete the render time and again memory timings and frequency had no impact on performance finally the last application benchmark is V array and again nothing to see here so the applications were a bit of a bust let's move on to gaming well this is very interesting here the overclocked Rison v 2600 went from a hundred and fifteen FPS on average with the ddr4 3200 memory using the standard extreme memory profile to 120 FPS with the tweaked timings that's a reasonable 4% increase though we did see a 6% increase for the one percent low result however it was when we went from the tuned ddr4 3200 memory to the tuned ddr4 3400 memory that we sway furthest 7 percent performance boost and now the r5 2600 is faster than 8,600 K clocked at five point two gigahertz that's an incredibly impressive result interestingly though we see no real gains when testing with Assassin's Creed origins and this title always provides odd results even with the higher quality preset used to reduce the GPU bottleneck this doesn't do much to help the Rison v 2600 out and while we do often see strange results with Assassin's Creed origins so this just seems to be another one of those strange results moving on to battlefield one though we do find when using the ultra quality settings at the r5 2600 with the tuned ddr4 3400 memory can find the limits of the gtx 1080i at least as far as the average framerate is concerned it's still six percent slower than the ad 600 k for the one percent low result and eight percent slower than 87 okay perhaps more notable is the fact that the 2,600 1% low performance was increased by 13% when using the faster memory the gain seen in far cry 5 are a little less impressive but even so the tweaked ddr4 3400 memory configuration did allow the r5 2600 to match the core i5 8400 so certainly not a bad result there finally we looked at gaming performance with vermintide 2 and here the tweaked ddr4 3200 configuration offered a 7% increase in performance while we saw a 10% jump when using the tune ddr4 3400 memory despite those gains though the 2600 was still 7% slower than the 80 600 K and 11% slower than the air.you 700k though again keep in mind those CPUs are running at 5.2 gigahertz which is about 4 percent higher than what most chips will achieve ok so some very interesting results there but please note this is just a very small sample of the gaming tests that we have to come so consider those benchmarks are somewhat of a preview because soon we will have finished our head-to-head comparison between the Rosen 520 600 and core i5 8400 in over 30 games for those of you wondering the Rison 5 process that will be tested and its stock out of the box trim and that means using ddr4 29:33 memory and we will also be including a 4.2 gigahertz all core overclock using the tweaked ddr4 3400 profile so it should be interesting and then the core i5 8400 that will be tested using the stock ddr4 2666 memory on a B 360 motherboard what we've seen here there are some seriously good gains in a number of games the results seen when testing with battlefield 1 vermintide to an ash of the singularity in particular were very impressive while far cry 5 was also quite good we were still quite limited in Assassin's Creed origins though this title has always been a bit strange with rising CPUs for applications though the aggressive memory timings have next to no impact on performance and for the most part the memory and Core latency doesn't really impact these types of workloads the loose sub memory timing center really only impact gaming performance and tighten them up as we've done in this test really improves things for Rison unfortunately though I should note that this isn't something ever one can do as you will require expensive B died memory and as such you won't be able to achieve these results with a lesser memory this does make testing exclusively with manually configured memory timings very misleading in my opinion it is something we'll start to include when overclocking horizon but those results really need to be coupled with a stock memory profile as well as good as it is seeing rise in achieving such impressive performance boosts in games let's not get to carrying out these results the most affordable Samsung BD modules that I'm aware of retail for about $200 u.s. and that is for 16 gigabyte kit and the Intel processors can achieve performance shown in this video with 160 dollar US memory so that is a $40 u.s. saving for the Intel processors if you're going to be realistic about this you have to take that cost into consideration the core i5 8400 Kross $180 u.s. 16 gigabytes of memory is 160 dollars u.s. and it can get a decent B 360 motherboard for $80 u.s. so all up 420 dollars u.s. for that platform the horizon 520 600 costs $200 u.s. then the memories $200 us and assuming you can get the most out of this memory on a be 350 motherboard then it's $80 for the motherboard the horizon build now costs at least $6 u.s. more which admittedly isn't a lot but the big draw card for AMD has been the fact that you do get more stuff for less money oh and I almost forgot you will want to throw an additional $20 at the build for a decent tower style air cooler if you want to hit that 4.2 here it's overclocked and achieve the same level of performance shown in this video it's also worth noting that the core i5 8400 and rise and 520 600 at 4.2 gigahertz they did still trade blows in the game benchmarks so it's not like arising just brushes the core i5 aside with the faster more expensive memory but if you're looking to brush aside the competition and I suggest checking out squarespace's all-in-one platform it allows you to quickly and easily create a beautiful hassle-free website there's nothing to install patch or upgrade ever you don't need to know anything about web coding stuff like PHP CSS HTML they're all just acronyms for things you don't need to worry about if you build with Squarespace they're beautiful designer templates make creating a powerful online identity easy each template is a 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