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welcome back to harbor unbox today is are you paying attention I'm doing the intro I bring the questions how I do it again will just continue on today is the March QA is that the month we're in do you just have to check you should know come on smart yeah today is your 26th this video will probably go in the 27th anyway it's the March QA so it is time for Tim and I to address your questions and for those of you who asked Wendell where where are these questions where I get to ask my questions because we seem to get a lot of those every single month we do ask on the community tab generally a few days before you'll see this video so pay attention to the community tab you should be notified by YouTube but if not maybe you have to click the alarm bell does that work I don't know who knows you just a hopeless we usually put it on Twitter as well so after you follow us over there you'll definitely be notified or you can become a patreon member because then you get a special question asking a session anyway we should probably just get on with it okay I'll start with the first question why not as good first question is while the 1080i and 2080 perform relatively similar in current titles could the 1080 - I actually outlive the 2080 because it increased vrm we do get that question quite a bit or they both be at the stage where they were at the beginning to underperform before they reach the vram limitation so I think basically the core of this question is will the larger veeram of the 1080i which is 11 gigabytes give it an advantage over the a gigabyte vrm buffer of the 2080 in the future it's hard to say really because we need to get to a point in time where games actually use more than 8 gigabytes of vram quite regularly that will introduce stuttering and issues with the 20/80 that won't be visible with the 1080 Ti I don't think that will happen now I think what we'll probably see is what we often see and it's not the gimping that people claim Nvidia do they just won't be optimizing for the Pascal architecture as much as they will be for churring and that will give cheering a performance bump and I think also see future titles taking advantage of the cheering architecture much more which will give the 2080 a bigger performance bump over the taillight we've seen like I think up to 20% in some titles yeah yeah so that's that's really at once I don't think it'll happen okay here we go is it worth upgrading from a gtx 1066 gigabyte to an ITX 2060 or a gtx 1660 TI i my gut would say no it really depends on what you're wanting to do like an arch x26 you might be useful if you want to get up to 1440p gaming it's got a bit more room rather I think it is 53% faster an average I've got a few notes here 53 percent faster on average and it is 40% higher MSRP so that's the suggested price and that's generally what they hit shortly after release so you're getting if you look at it that way you're getting a small performance boost but it still is outright quite a bit faster and then over the 1660 ti it's 34 the 1660 ti is 34% faster than the 1060 a 12% higher MSRP so it's a good value there I mean sort of if you've already paid $250 for a 1060 over the last few years do you really want to go and then spend another two hundred and twenty dollars - or sorry two hundred eighty dollars for the 1660 TOI to get a 34% bump again as you say I think it depends - you set up it really depends on your setup and how desperate your after-action performance really yeah really I don't think there's the architects 2060 is probably the best replacement yeah but yeah it's 54 percent faster so if you're willing to spend well that's $350 to get a fifty four percent performance bump which I suppose is pretty reasonable not again it depends on how long ago you bought the 10 C so you know it's kind of factors so yeah that's the best information I can give you is that it's 53 percent faster or 34 percent for the 1660 TI you have to work out if it's worth investing that money to get those performance bumps is really what it boils down to okay next question here and I've definitely made a few notes for this one because I'm not that up to speed on this sort of stuff I mean well it's not something we cover regularly on the channel so the question is is it true that PS use perform their most efficient at 60% load and they're really really short answer to that is yes that is true so around it's probably even a little bit lower for most units around 50% load they are seeing maximum efficiency so that doesn't necessarily mean you want to double the amount of output well you don't want to double the output of the unit because say you think you might use throw nawat it doesn't necessarily mean you need to get a 600 watt unit though that is a pretty good rule to follow it really depends on the actual efficiency of the unit and that's where the 80 plus certification is very handy because basically anything that's 80 plus certified well they've been certified by an independent a third-party so that really should be so if they're not if they're not certified to anything the efficiency curve can be all over the place so a hundred percent load they could be woefully inefficient but they could be very efficient at 50 percents of the curve could drop off quite significantly I've got some notes here you guys can look this up but the 80 plus certification save the gold standard for example it must be 88% efficient and a hundred percent so that's very good so when you're using the full capacity of the unit you're still seeing very high efficiency there and then and this is when plugged into a 230 volt grid which is what we have here in Australia it must also be 92% efficient at 50% and that 88% efficient at 20% load so your efficient efficiency you can actually drop off quite a bit at lower levels as well it's not just at 100% so that's also something to be aware of and yeah generally as I said there was a rule of thumb probably double what you think you're gonna need it just makes it a bit easier and really I had a look at the corsair CX series and there's not a huge difference in price there I see a lot of people sort of saying why would I bother with the 750 unit if my system is only using throne or watts and miles will just get you know a little extra Headroom and get the 450 watt unit or whatever and it's fair enough I suppose but it's not a big cost like I'm saying it's $55 for the 5500 sorry the 550 watt model and it's like $15 more get you the 750 watt model so I would recommend always spending that $15 for the 750 watt model because for upgrades and yep stuff like that it just gives you a lot more Headroom so yeah I think that pretty much answers that question but yeah as I said in short yes okay question here from scatter vault recently Nvidia chose not to size down their current 12 nanometer manufacturing process to 7 nanometers unlike AMD since there is no need to innovate due to their current dominance GPU performance over AMD will this be a good or bad move when Navi drops will they have to play catch-up or will there be no need to I'll start with this one then so the first part of that question I would say the situation that wasn't the exact situation let's say so six months ago when in-video was looking to release the art x-series as they did they really didn't have any other options it was the TSM see 12 nanometer process or nothing they would just have to wait until 7 nanometre got to a point where they could us you know handle the supply that the GeForce r-tx series would demand and that's not even really a possible it's not possible now really so it'd be a few more months mid sort of 2019 yeah we're not talking about like a low volume Radeon 7 which I'm significant volume of GPUs yes yeah just wasn't quite ready so yeah so basically the first part that question it was the 12 nanometer process or nothing 7 enemies wasn't an option and yeah so that really had sort of the opportunity to either as you're saying sort of delay and wait yeah for 12 yards until 7 animator becomes ready or just go with what they had available to them but we are sorry interrupt I was going to say but it escaped me for a moment I read an article a while I believe they were meant to go or they were hoping to go with a samsung process yes eh yeah okay sorry I'll let you continue okay I'm catching it with Tim okay it's fine because I think as you say that was sort of the and they were hoping that samsung's next-generation processing that would be ready by the time that they needed to get their true products that just wasn't so potentially if that's what they'll be going with with the next generation product line that could be next year as well what was the second part of that question and will this be good or will this be a good or bad move when when Navi drops I mean and videos a lot far ahead in terms of their architecture yeah estimate about 1/2 generations it seems yeah I mean I own seven matches the 1080 TI seven enemies versus 60 nanometers yeah so if you're talking about that sort of jump you know aimed it moves it to a new architecture and seven nanometers they're probably assuming that's only reasonable improvements they might only be matching chewing on 12 nanometer in which case then it's hard to say obviously it's all yet to be seen yeah but based on what we do know at the moment it's not really a problem for in-video yeah they're they're in the lead so they said all the all the moves at the moment I think yep next question this is a little out of my error of knowledge but could aim to create a rise in CP with onboard HBM so high bandwidth memory and people always talk about how rise in needs memory balance and it seems that creating a cpu with some form of high speed memory on the processor could increase performance I'm not even sure if that's possible I'm just wondering thanks okay now it's a good question and it's something that's already happened pretty much in your world of reviewing things yeah I mean there was that Intel CPU that had the intel core and then the the AMD Vega GP which had hpm attached to it look it's very it's a complicated question because on the CPU front a CPU already has cash in it so from that sense you already get that performance advantages to adding HBM on there as well you sort of then create an extra tier of you know memory to deal with you've got then your cache HBM and then your I'm assuming would still be a large so you're talking about if they're integrated into the one die yeah well it seems this question was about quit their penalizing CPU CPU with onboard HP I'll talk about ApS in a moment but right I've been a CPU itself I think that sounds fairly complicated and expensive just because yeah you're creating that extra T that you have to deal with with the AP use sorry you are on oh yeah more as an APU question yeah but the AP users still were talking about because for the AP use the memory bandwidth is key for the GPU side of the APU so yeah I would think that if they did include onboard hbm you would get a pretty significant performance increase the problem then is that ap used especially on a desktop tend to be a lower-cost product yes you add HBM that's probably gonna double the cost of something like a 2200 G easily double it and then for similar situation for the laptops so I think Intel for their next generation laptop CPUs when they've they're gonna do the journal Evan graphics they're planning to use much faster memory speeds for their laptop rocks I think that thinking of like ddr4 3000 as a standard so when you start talking about that then you get much higher bandwidth which helps them with their supposedly much beefier GPU design so I think HBM is probably not the solution that makes a lot of sense but certainly faster memory of other kinds like just increasing the spec would help yet from a performance standpoint it's very possible and it's ideal really you basically getting all the benefits of a discrete GPU there in fact it's even better in a lot of regards but it doesn't make sense in terms of cost to justify it you'd need a much more powerful integrated graphics solution and then you've just got to deal with heat or that's a lot of heat on one package to deal with it's basically essentially it's cramming your discrete graphics card and your CPU together so yeah it's like putting an RT X 2080 and a 1900 K together good luck with that one right he's interesting question that we've got so I want your opinion on this we all know AMD should improve their marketing so to help with mine share with AMD benefit from having their Radeon Rison and Navi logos on the boot screen of the PS 5 for example yeah I suggested this on Amy's main Twitter page you could cost - nothing to pull off on console gamers may be more willing to buy an MD PC - so this is would be a good idea because it would be it would be but I don't think it's possible so hey it would be a good idea because obviously it's marketing for them right yeah it's a very popular product their logos right that would be beneficial to them but the way that AMD's semi-custom division works which is the division the division that produces the chips for companies like the PS but so knit with the PS 5 it's not really it doesn't really become an Ambu product after that point it's only buying their chips from them AMD is just doing the the building process yeah so Sony at that point then has full control over what they do with their chip so it's not a situation where Sony is buying an AMD off-the-shelf product that they then put in it's a partnership between the two companies and with the ps4 for example it was only until very late in that console cycle the Sony even begun to consider talking about the fact that only Hardware was inside yeah in fact when you when you question AMD about what was inside the ps4 they just wouldn't tell you about it because it was Sony's decision to tell you so I think that's where they're going to be a bit hamstrung with that sort of idea sure I'd be great for them to market it but Sony wants it to be a Sony product I want you to see ps4 or PS 5 logos when you boot it have to be a different agreement so there have to be some benefit and family would they sacrifice say make the chips cheaper to get their logos on the on the screen I'm not sure that's in their best interest in the moment so so yeah it's not free advertising basically it would cost them yeah that'd have to be some trade-off in the way that this sort of semi custom stuff works ok next question here do you think the PC game will move to AP use like console we get this question quite a bit I'm not sure we've addressed it in this series but in short no or at least not anytime soon actually it was the second part of that question as well and if so will it need ddr5 well ddr fibers won't be relevant because it's not gonna be happening anytime soon so yeah and that ties into a the HBM question we sort of did earlier so ap use definitely need more memory bandwidth to improve the graphics performance that's definitely the limiting factor at the moment ddr5 will certainly help with that and it may make entry level GPUs irrelevant though entry level GPUs will do some a bit faster to become relevant and so that kind of takes care of itself there but yeah I think I would just summarize that one by saying not anytime soon you got anything else to add to that no I mean pretty much is just the GPUs of people buying for PC gaming and far too large and powerful to put to an AP package at the moment so yeah ok first time I asked you here huh nice glad to get your question I've noticed through monitoring software like cam that motherboards have many temperature sensors and some display unusually high readings usually three or four sensors displaying temps in the hundred and ten to 120 degrees Celsius range is this anything to be worried about or is this normal I think what you're saying it's pretty common we see that a lot with hardware info as long as it's not your CPU temperature and even then there might be a few different CPU temperature readout so you want to find which one is the right one that happens in hardware info some have offsets and whatnot but if it's usually there vrm senses or motherboard that just labelled motherboard or something like that I see that quite often there's about three or four of those if you're really concerned about it take the side of your case off check your vrm heat sinks maybe with an IR gun if you have one of those to avoid toasty fingers otherwise you can just tap on them and see if they're warm if they're quite cool to touch I mean if you can hold the heatsink you know you put that okay you're okay if it's extra if it's extremely uncomfortable to hold and the systems at idle and there may be a problem there and if it's burning hot then there's definitely a problem but more often than not it's just a false reading either the sensors aren't calibrated correctly and like I said there's some sort of offset there not accounting for or sometimes the sensors aren't actually there and the software is reading what it thinks as the sensor it's just reading like a maximum value so yeah usually it's really not something to worry about but like I said if you're concerned you can do a touch test and see how hot things are getting next question real cause versus threads in gaming ok 8 cause 16 threads versus 16 cause 16 threads now I'm not sure if ultra toast is asking for a benchmark I'm not yeah I need a bit more context with this question or this this thing that you're putting forth but since we can't bench market right now on the spot I'm just going to assume that you're asking which one is just better for gaming well it's quite obviously the 16 cause 16 threads because they're physical cause so SMT technology doesn't give you a 100% performance boost per core there any way it could be as good as if that was the case 25 to maybe 50% and some of the better examples when the software is really well optimized to take advantage of that so yeah it's what does that get you to like a 12 core processor or something so yeah if they're of the same architecture clearly 16 cores is the way to go yeah that's that one that's really don't need to benchmark that one to answer it so yeah you're always better off with logical cause so like a 9700 K will be better than any of the quad cores with hyper-threading 4 as another example okay next question time to buy Ram again with low prices yay just as Steve predicted what a legend right then moving on from that nonsense how important is it for RAM to be qvl for the motherboard so it's basically certified for the motherboard quality cheston for the board and the Oratory 19 pro Wi-Fi doesn't have the Corsair Vengeance and then you'll put the question up on the screen I don't have to read that out generally speaking it's not super important not super crucial it's very rare that you will run into memory compatibility issues especially with a mature platform so your chances with an Intel platform almost non-existent and we're talking about a 390 board here so you can pretty much stick any modern ddr4 memory on that and be guaranteed it was booed up first time no worries Verizon memory support not quite as good especially if the gen one stuff it has improved significantly for Gen 2 so less of a concern now so really I wouldn't worry about it too much but if you're a new builder or you just can't afford to have any issues or you don't have other memory to diagnose if it is the memory that's a problem that can be a real issue for guys that don't have parts laying all over the place then yeah just buy a stuff that's definitely certified to work on that board and you can usually eliminate that as being an issue for why the things not turning on for you when you're finished building it they can be a real pain in the backside Etha nod to that Tim nope that's all good muster nailed it then moving on ok next question here I'm gonna jump straight on this because I want Tim to answer it should we wait for Navi and Rison third gen for benefits and whatnot Tim it's always impossible to say isn't it it is yeah it's kind of like saying well was the g-force r-tx stuff worth it I think the GTX cheering stuff was but you know if you had a GTX 1080 was it worth waiting for the RT X 2080 and well yeah you guys can answer that but I don't think it would have been no less you had an older sort of Maxwell or older but it could have been a situation where the ITX cards offered 20 30 percent more performance for the same price and that would be worth going up a tier I think if you have a swell Japan yet should we wait again what are you coming from if it's a second gen rising processor then well you I don't know like yeah well you you were not going to upgrade one generation so it's a hard one to answer if you have like a really really old you know Intel Sandy Bridge Ivy Bridge maybe even has well quad core then upgrading to like an 8 core Xen 2 CPU may very well be worth waiting for rather than going for a well it's not really worth upgrading to a rise in second gen CPU anyway so I guess you just got a look at the benefits of upgrading now a net you much extra performance you guys always give me these hard questions that have too many ways of answering and then I just mumble on and timber sits there and falls asleep I wake him up the next question okay here's another interesting do you guys think something maybe something something question do you guys think Nvidia will release more churring GPU similar to RTX 20 80 20 80 i without I suppose the arty stuff and the tensor cause like they did with the GTX 60 and 60 T I haven't really put much thought into this but I would say no ya know if they're not gonna make a GP that's equivalent to an ITX GP but just without the RT calls that yeah doesn't seem like something they'll do they'll keep pushing down the stack yes no cheaper and cheaper products but I know it takes like a gtx 28 II can't see that happening no the RT X is their premium stuff they're going to push it no matter what and I mean they've got to set the stage at some point for ray tracing and all that they want to be the leaders in that so this is just a branding thing they're setting up now I tried to push it pretty heavily ray-tracing hasn't panned out to be nearly as exciting and its initial implementation as we'd hoped it would be but it will no doubt be pretty special in years to come so yeah I think Tim and I are on the same page on that one no yep alright I'll ask this question as well because I'm going to sit back and let Tim answer it because with monitors with some freesync monitors now working on NVIDIA GPUs I think you've done a few videos about that will it cut aimed ease profit significantly mmm since one of the advantage of AMD are back then it was it's cheaper freesync monitors compared to in videos g-sync misers it's an it's an interesting one because on face valued say I mean it might because people were buying AMD GPUs for free sync compared to NVIDIA GPUs weighing up that value proposition that's true on the other hand though it seems like most people will still buy whatever GPU offered the best value in terms of its performance as opposed to fit factoring and all the other features that they came with it so where that was you know your GTX 1060 OVR 580 or whatever it was mostly about price versus performance without really factoring in freesync - for the am because despite all the comments we used to get about not doing that yes I was a heavily push thing so I'd say that because of that I don't think it will actually cut into AMD's profit significantly I think the very issues right now or more that their GPU architecture seems to be struggling competitive in video so I think they will need to do something bare as opposed to worrying about whether Nvidia cards run free sync or not even even now like or even back when you couldn't use a free sync monitor with an Nvidia card it was still my opinion that it was worth just buying free sync monitor for you Nvidia card anyway yeah simply because higher refresh rates at lower prices just made a better value overall so yeah that's kind of that's kind of my answer to that one I like the V code system is now available to all it's definitely the right move for Envia to open up but family making their profit yeah time for them to Thompson for them to up their game when their GPUs performance wise and that's where they'll see their profits come back now the Mauritian 40 my one app guys wake me up when it's done now you get sick of these more questions for whatever reason a high quality of boomer Rick asks a high-quality TN panels that bad like a 4k one with 350 near brightness and decent 1,001 contrast the blazing fast response time surely help against it difficult quickly it's a difficult one to answer because TN yeah I mean are they bad it depends what you're looking for if you're if you're a content creator which is why I assume a lot of people are buying 4k monitor for then I would say that TN really isn't good enough for content creation their viewing angles in particular are not good enough you know you there's very I don't think there's any for KT ends that can do wide color gamut for example so from that perspective you know if you're buying 4k no not I don't think the best are good enough but if you're gaming again no blazing fast response times could be something that you're interested in tans have the highest refresh rate still and as if you get a high call you want and I've got a vo-tech one that's over there that's the 1440p wide gamut one that's the best TN I've ever seen it certainly is perfectly fine for gaming it's a very good quality pal so again depends on use cases okay boomer excite you've got another question here with the massive gains that even a Sandy Bridge partner gets from overclocking is it worth it for someone that just plays games and browses the internet to upgrade if they have a maxed out Xen 77 rig for example like a 3770k at over 4.6 gigahertz and 2400 c11 Ram CL 1130 3770k overclock that's still a pretty basely CPU that's not every bridge part you'd mainly probably wanna upgrade from that if you wanted newer platform features you know m dot 2 ports and all that sort of stuff but for gaming and browsing that's still plenty fine really I shouldn't have any issues there I haven't done a revisit recently I know haswell's still a bit of a beastly platform until I sit made too many improvements since then they've just added more cores really but yeah it's really up to you to judge if it's doing what you want it to do then yeah gain bottlenecks then should be ok yeah it should be fine but based on I've still got it I've got a 2600 K and I've got a 3770k system and they both work really well the the Sandy Bridge systems starting to age a bit as long as you've got a core i7 model that's not too bad the core i5s hurting a bit these days I'll probably do a revisit of that soon but yeah should be fine ok there's part one went very smoothly hopefully part 2 will go just as smoothly and you'll be able to see that on the channel tomorrow if you liked the video you know what to do you can subscribe for more content we do the Q&A once a month so you can probably subscribe for more than just that and you can follow us on patreon as I mentioned at the start a video because you can get access to our discord chat Timur myself often there chatting away with you guys and we do a monthly live stream which we just filmed a few hours ago that was a bit of fun and yeah so I'm your host Dave I'm your host Tim we'll see you again next time you