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all right welcome back to hard Rome box this is part two of our March Q&A part one was probably on the channel yesterday if I could have been bothered to get around to editing it so go back and check that out to get part one of all of our questions and well we've got another I probably say 20 to 30 minutes worth of questions to cover in this episode so a batch to get through yep can't be deadly deadly around straight to it next question another pretty good one here it was heavily upvoted why is everyone so excited about 16 cause and - even when eight cause is more than enough for modern gaming well I'd say probably one of the main reasons is that you guys don't just game or a lot of you I suppose a lot of you are just game but a lot of people don't just game for example well Tim and I both really enjoy gaming and that's why our content is very focused on gaming we also like video editing which needs more cause 16 causes a massive benefit over eight there I think as well just helps to push down the pricing of all of the tiers especially the ones that are more you know cost-effective for gaming so your six score and eight core CPUs are going to hopefully become cheaper if that's 16 core CPU is introduced that means that you guys instead of having to buy like a ninety nine hundred K to get that top end gaming performance you could buy a AMD's mid-range process if that's what the lineup looks like yeah I think that's one of the reasons why people are so excited by the Zen to rumors and leaks that we've seen so far because they're claiming very affordable six core parts which may happen be great if it does but that ties in with what Tim's saying is when you get a lot more cause up top mate it's unlikely they're going to charge over $1000 well they're already not doing that on the thread Ripper platform yeah that's right so it stands to reason that a 16 cores enter part will be reasonably affordable possibly around the $500 marks that would make sense and a guess don't hold me to that we don't have any information okay we've got another console each related question since Tim is a resident console gamer apparently well you've got a console and I do so by default you are is it then console gamer why why console Hartwell why is console hardware made by AMD and not by Intel and NVIDIA so Tim shoot yeah so well I mean AMD sort of has that one-stop solution for everything you can get your CPU and your GPU and that's the two main components that really other companies are offering so make sense it's just I'm certain that it makes the whole process of getting those chips much easier either deal with two companies you with one time the one die it's easy so that is a big benefit for AMD at the moment potentially with Intel getting back into more powerful a GPU hardware that they could be an option in the future as well depending on on how they go with nvidia only really offering their GPUs only but that said the Nintendo switch does use an NVIDIA ARM based SOC so we don't really hear a lot about their ARM processors anymore because in the video is mostly using those for their car related stuff but certainly they did at one point have you know not the most powerful thing we're certainly a mobile class associate that had arm CPU cores in their own GPU in there so yeah there's a lot of solutions out there but it's simply because AMD seems to be offering the best overall package that they can they could win over the console makers at the moment yeah they would definitely be exploring all our options and it seems like Amy's the best option likely the most cost-effective and I'm not sure Intel will come in there and muscle them out of that one any time soon all right I'll probably answer this one since I do most of this testing will you ever test entry-level aib cards instead of the high-end ones I'm pretty sure that most of us don't buy those ones so I'll just address this a bit more other question that's the the bulk of the question though so I would love to and we took we've talked about this with our patreon members a few times because they've asked the same question and if we've really got to get to a point where we can afford to buy a few of these graphics cards each time they come out because the companies we work with they similar just refused to send out or at least their edge q refuses to send them out because they want their you know their flagship card they want to see you know if it's a gigabyte card or and a sue card or MSI they want their best foot forward the best showing so they're not going to send they're really cheap budget model with their base cooler even if that makes sense to buy even if it's a better value card and we would probably give it a better review they want the card that's going to have the lowest operating temperature the best overclocks the best out-of-the-box performance all that stuff so yeah we've really got to buy them and you guys might think we'll just buy them sounds easy enough but yeah it costs thousands of dollars to buy multiple cards likes but I don't even know how much is the 1662 and Australia probably around $400 or something I'm just guessing so you buy three of those and that's $1200 spent so so support us on patreon and then maybe in the future we'll be able to do more we do buy a lot of hardware and I was contemplating but for the next release the 1650 I may just buy base model gigabyte a Suisun MSI card or whoever else I can get my hands on and we'll do that and we'll do do that stuff from time to time but we also have to buy camera gear and all can't teams just spend many thousands of dollars on you camera geared up is b-roll game so yeah it is what it is next question love this one short sharp get to the point will the 1052 I get a price cut I'm just gonna simply answer that in the same fashion the question was asked know what do you reckon just get phased out of the market it'll get phased out if anything it'll actually increase a bit in price as it goes out and yeah that's pretty much that one so the only way you're gonna get a cheap 10:50 eye is if you get it well possibly on sale but usually secondhand but really I wouldn't even bother with the 1052 outs sorry much slower than an RX 570 and they're down are like a hundred and twenty dollars it's insane you get two games with those yeah yeah yeah I just go get yourself an hour X 5 sets almost like you buy the games and then you get the GP for free in that in that sense yes you do yep it's there amazing the prices of those things at the moment so yeah I'd be snapping up an RX 570 or an IRS 580 alright Steve what do you reckon about this one why don't you cover any custom water-cooling PC tech on your channel you always have that awesome custom loop behind you step but you don't seem to do much with water cooling on the channel yeah okay it's a fair enough question I have I think probably a few reasons first of all I'm not super passionate about the liquid cooling and all that kind of stuff it's enjoyable and fun I it's kind of gimmicky I think is the best way to probably gonna upset the car well it's it's not a where a value Channel right and it's not a value yeah it's not at all practical so it looks amazing it's a lot of fun if you like that hands-on stuff but to recommend it to you you first need a crapload of money that that's very important then you need to be super into your PC and super into PC maintenance because it's not like you build it looks glorious and there you go that's just going to look glorious for the next few years you've got to do coolant flushes clean the parts so if something goes wrong you've got to rip the whole thing down maybe you have to you know it might have taken you two days to do all those hard true bends and whatever and then you know you have to either take them out try and clean them or they get stained and then you've got to do it again things get corroded things fail things leak and then you've got to do a lot more cleaning so yeah you really it's kind of like I suppose I liken it to guys that are into cars so you know you just want to car take up the track and have a bit of fun there's those guys and if a breaks down you get someone else to deal with it and then those guys would just pull them apart and change every little thing or rebuild every little thing and I have fun doing it so if you're that kind of guy with cars then that's yet you need to be that kind of guy for computers you need to just be willing if something goes wrong and it's a massive headache then water cooling is not for you but if the if if the idea of having to do a whole flush and pull everything apart and clean it meticulously is gets you all excited then go for your water cooling but yeah it's just really expensive and impractical so I don't try to push it too much because people will get the wrong idea and think that we're look so amazing and the performance must be amazing and I'm going to get that you've really got to be yea willing to deal with all those shortcomings as well make sense you someone who hasn't done too much of it I totally agree that's why they're doing usually yeah that much yeah alright next question I'll answer this one pretty quickly it wasn't that heavily uploaded but raisin wife question can you overclock the Athlon 200g higher than 3.8 to 3.9 gigahertz with an arrow and forcing voltage so for those of you that don't know msi went and unlocked overclocking of the Athlon 200 GE just calls and gigabyte and everyone else followed suit so you can overclock it they generally only do about 3.8 some of the better ones do 3.9 it's not a heat related problem that's just a silicon limitation so strapping on an i/o that costs two or three times what the CPU costs and running he evolved you sure it won't really help you it'll do what it'll do pretty much with a sort of a wraith cooler on it so yeah our PSU wattage requirements for the from graphics card manufacturer is the absolute minimum or just a guideline can use a scale maybe 50 watts Laura and still be on the safe side well again comes to power supply efficiency which is what we talked about in an earlier question probably in part one by this point 50 watts lower Shore you'd get away with that no worries you could probably go 100 watt slower with a efficient unit but they're they are very much a guideline so yeah I'd buy them if you can generally go higher it usually doesn't cost you too much money but yeah if you're 50 watts under then you'll get away with that perfectly fine oh another question here for Tim God when will 3rd gen Rison nearly forgot the crucial bit they're rising for the desktop launch well will 3rd gen rise and launched him go kind of tell you it's like two to three months I guess guess being a crucial word they're moving on I finished rolling Tim for the moment both of you blinked twice at the same time if you received an AMD search and I didn't even know this was the next question CPU and other CPUs good so what are we going to do you blink yeah it seems very complicated because like this already blink so you turn it up no we do not have samples yet no media have samples yet and a guess I would say were a few months away still from getting samples but anybody could ring me up next week and go samples are on the way but yeah it's not gonna happen I don't think two or three months probably around Computex time so so the reason the 99 are okay ends up getting so hot is not only because the dye is bigger but the actual board the dye arrests on is also thicker it's actually the dye itself there anyway yeah thus increasing temperatures to the level that not even liquid metal can fully dissipate by itself you've got to stay on the diet down yo yo yo where is this going with that my log of a sentence out of the way we skipped a bit sorry do you think it's time Intel rethinks their manufacturing process to make sure that their CPUs can be reasonably cooled with an O at 5 gigahertz especially if they for some reason still can't get their next gen at 10 min or get to 10 nanometer it's a hard one a touch to cover because they've obviously done what they've done because they had to so if they make the the silicon on top of the the cause and whatnot if they make that thinner apparently they risk cracking that when they do when they do the solder in process and then if they make the solder thinner that can crack over time from heating up and expanding and so I don't know they've it's it's weird because they seem to have done it before but I haven't looked into the various arguments with this because I haven't really cared too much but maybe an argument would be that the older CPUs where they did this well they could say that they cracked but I don't think they did but they could just argue they're not putting out nearly as much heat so your thermal expansion attraction there's not as extreme maybe that's a reason but yeah they do need to rethink things well I don't really need to rethink things I just need to get to a new process yeah that's basically it there were never planning to have this situation where they were pretty value that yeah struggles with thermals its yeah you know the things get delayed and this is what they've ended up well a double whammy I don't think they ever expected rise and the come out and be as good as it is especially in terms of value a cause the price that AMD can happily offer it for and yet getting stuck on their current process node is just not ideal even though it does do quite well but they will need to move on at some point anyway that's that one okay the priest asks I have a friend that's been nagging me all day about how he wants a laptop but doesn't actually need the portability and he wants to game on it of course I'm trying to convince him just to build a PC I'll even help him assemble it the question at a fixed given price tag is it preferable for gaming of like content creation to get a PC or a laptop if you don't need mobility well someone has reviewed a lot of gaming laptops most of this is if you don't need the mobility you should definitely get a desktop yes the whole point of getting a gaming laptop is that you can take it around you can move it about its complement compact but a lot of them are compact enough that yeah you can you just have your one PC that you take wherever you want to go you can do gaming whatever if you aren't going to move it around so mobility isn't an issue then you'll get much better value for money building a PC not only are the names as we've I've been talking about a lot my gaming laptop reviews not only of the names of GPU is not actually reflective of the desktop performance so you think you're getting in RTX 2060 but you're actually getting like gtx 1660 performance you get yeah they're just so much more expensive for that level of performance i'm sorry even say a well built desktop would be half the cost yes a laptop yep for a given level of performance so and of course a desktop has a whole range of performances that you actually can't get out of any laptop form factor well the oil based reasonable laptop if you don't like if you don't need the mobility the list of advantages that a desktop PC offers it's massive longer than your arm so you have as Tim said significantly better performance for a lower cost so that's just one you have much better upgrade ability if something breaks you don't have to junk the entire unit much easier to expand and add things like storage you can what else is there there's so many things you can have a way better monitor your range of monitors is significant better generally laptop on and luxury garbage yeah much quieter way in gaming the list just goes on better keyboard of course you can attach a keyboard on my own in general your mouse stuff it so me man it's significantly better on all fronts really apart from being out of pick it up and move it somewhere else yeah and that's why I've never understood those massive chunky like your 17-inch mega chunky laptops it's like that isn't portably why why does that exist when you could just you can even build a slim ish desktop system like a small form-factor or something like that and it just makes so much more sense than that particular product that said at the same time I'm not saying the gaming laptops of bad products because certainly especially the thin and light ones yeah you're paying a lot of money but the level of performance you can get from something that's this thin portable is very impressive and certainly for us content creating a Computex for example that's the exact sort of thing we want to take we might have desktops I'm taking a desktop this year be much better but anyway if it's really all about the portability if you're not taking advantage of the portability that it makes absolutely no sense at all the other advantage of the have is they have a built-in UPS but you can just buy a decent UPS for very little money these days and it will serve the same purpose if you're worried about losing wherever you're at when a power you know power outage yeah so I think we've Pro very uh yep pretty much covered that one we'll move on there's a top nice topic or question consuming I think this was just announced so what is your opinion about Google's stadium what do you think about licensing all those games all the different platforms will Google have likely only 10 to 15 triple-a titles in their offer I mean it's hard to say what the license situation is because I don't think Google has really announced their lineup or pricing yet it's it's hard to it's hard to really know you know will they what were their triple-a selection be like you know what publishers they're working with what will their game range be but I'm assuming you'll be some sort of subscription thing so that is one concern but for me that's not really the main concern of this sort of thing my main concern is the latency which is a fundamental issue with game streaming and while it does seem like Google is promising to have the best handling of this issue that than any other solution that's come before it's still an issue and from all the game streaming that I've personally tried and I have a good internet connection here it's just the latency is bad it's just it's especially for a wide variety of games like your racing games your first-person shooters of any kind the latency is just killer yeah and it's something that you fundamentally cut change because even if I stream games in my own house from my PC through my router to a different device the latency for like a game like fortnight is bad so latency on your own local device is always an obstacle that we're trying to overcome yeah so a PC gaming has a big advantage for latency over even console gaming yeah like we ever run a high refresh rates being able to turn off things like facing can double buffering and all that massively improves your latency so then have all that stuff and then add on your internet latency as well it just is making this situation where I just and from it seems like a lot of people who try as well this situation really I don't think that that problem has been solved and that's the problem that needs to be solved before this solution will ever be good and they're talking about is like future of gaming and yeah it might be but they need to actually genuinely solve that problem first I think so well what's my opinion without having tested it and seen it and see if it delivers what they they say it can do my opinion is it's going to be a fantastic service and it's gonna be amazing fee casual gamer pretty console type gamers now if you're playing Assassin's Creed which is their demo again sure I think for casual gamers it's going to be a game changer or has the potential to be but for most of you watching this who take you your gaming quite seriously you want the best graphics that you possibly can have high resolutions you know all that kind of stuff then it's really not going to appeal to you but that would probably put you in the minority of gamers as the industry grows there's a lot more casual gamers now and there are like super serious guys I suppose I don't know I don't really have the statistics but yeah I think it's definitely going to change it'll probably be a real competitor for console gaming rather than PC gaming I think yeah I'm not I'm not a hundred percent convinced about how it will go against console gaming even because I still think that especially with the move to consoles like the ps4 pro and Xbox one X in particular but there has been more of a movement towards getting a really high quality gaming experience in terms of your this service will evolve though whereas the consoles once they come out they're stuck there for like a decade yeah I sort of understand I just think that you know people have tried this solution before yeah it's been it's been an option with GeForce now for example yeah infrastructure is a massive problem with everyone's gigabyte or gigabyte whereas barrel will be out overcome I think a google has the best opportunity to overcome it I'm not sure whether they actually will be able to you know that's the most fair that's I think that's an any question so yeah I said that's it on the console I still think that a lot of people prefer the home solution like buying your box your honor your games locally but we'll see we'll see how we'll see how it evolves yeah we'll see okay we have a question here from Nick one of our loyal patreon members who's been with us for a long time and he asks the prices of AIB 2082 eyes are starting to drop below EFI or pricing in Australia so I'm considering buying one if it were your money would you buy a twenty atti now or are we close enough to 7 nanometre G pre-production that you'd save money for a 30 atti well this is one of those questions we were joking about before I kinda need you know what you're coming from and if you're hating life with what you've got but then I suppose you wouldn't have anything to rubbish if you're thinking of buying a 28 you see especially in Australia imagining that you have a decent GPU like a GTX 1080 or Vega 6402 either no I definitely would not crowed it's way too much money for what it is I would wait thirty atti who knows but yeah I would definitely be waiting till next year make do with what you've got now play on slightly lower settings if you have to but yeah I mean ultimately that's the decision that you have to make yeah personally if it was my money I would wait what would you do with your money yeah I mean again like you say it does depend the situation because you probably are facing like a you wait 43082 i I mean depends what narvi the situation with na'vi is but again hard to say there so yeah if we're talking about a year way it does massively depend on what your yeah as I said in the last Q&A I'm gaming with Vega 56 at the moment and I'm perfectly happy with it I do a little bit of resolution downscale and all that sort of stuff and tweak the quality settings following Tim's guides and things like that and I'm playing on a 4k monitor so obviously I'm not playing at native 4k but it's fine and I have the option there of dropping in a spare 20 8200 if I want to but I don't really feel the need I don't game a whole lot obviously but yeah from memory Nick does have one of those 4k 144 Hertz monitor okay in which case I'm assuming that you're maybe have a bit of money to throw around if you're buying that sort of monitor so in that case then maybe if you're facing that year long wait you're a really high-end PC gamer then maybe you could justify spend that money on the twenty-eighth yeah it's it's very expensive yeah it's hard to know exactly what you want as I said I'm quite happy with Vega 56 at the moment I don't really feel the need to get anything more powerful it every game I play runs perfectly fine I'm happy to do a little bit of tweaking here and there so yeah everyone's a bit different there all right silence game asks again from our discord chat what do you guys think of eye tracking hardware like Toby are you interested in that stuff and if yes when you have spare time can you do a review I've used eye tracking once or twice ever and it just is a gimmick from what I've used I mean it just used it so like as for reviewing it this just game support isn't good enough and the things that I would I actually found it annoying to play with eye tracking enabled because it does stuff like you you look at the left side of the screen and your character shift its movement to the left side I'm so used to playing with controlling my character's view from the mouse and keyboard or controller that having my eyes do it was really unnatural and hard to sort of work with so for me I just I just don't think it's worth it at all it's kind of cool her racing car games maybe yeah like I think if you had say a multi screen setup like you were big into surround yet maybe three ultra wide models or something and you could really look around and stuff in the network yeah and so but yeah again if you have the ultra wide monitors you would just be looking at the difference since you wouldnt have to move around maybe change the fisheye or something would be convenient but yeah yeah so I just don't think that it offers anything that unique or important to have in gaming which I guess is why hasn't really been widely adopted mhm okay we have a question here from Airbus a320 200 obviously this must Alex must be the guy that's in the flight simulators it keeps asked me to benchmark and sorry I haven't but anyway hey guys today I would like to request a relax request an explanation of what dual channel RAM it means I've heard you guys mention it quite a few times yep and what qvo SSDs Cheers alright well jool channel Ram is not single channel or AM helpful he's going to elaborate all right well back in the days when dinosaurs used to roam we had single channel memory and by adding another stick of memory running them in dual channel you can effectively double the available bear it's kind of like a raid zero but for memory modules there's more wires so you can run yeah more memory access yeah so yeah the the seat back in the days actually enough if we had jewel child memory back in the days of chipset memory controls I think we did anyway it doesn't matter it's irrelevant but as long as the memory controller supports dual channel memory then you can use it so people like guys that are new to this get a little confused they think dual channel memory is just having two memory modules which isn't the case and then obviously as we saw with the verge PC bill that really depends on which slots the memory is in to enable dual channel operation but it's just a really good way of effectively increasing memory bandwidth which then speeds up everything yeah the CPU effectively has two taps on it single channel memory you're only attached one hose to one one tap you have dual channel memory your touch both hoses you get more output so it's just generally beneficial as we qvo SSDs I believe that's Samsung's new entry-level range of SSDs so that use qlc memory which is the quad lower quadrant so four bits per cell yep so they have sort of the lowest performance but very affordable to make so because they're very high density so yeah that's what a cute cube vo assisting and they're supposed to say couvreux q vo I'm not sure but yeah I've actually got one haven't looked at it yet pamorah budget so I haven't looked into it too much but basically SLC was the original technology and that's single layer so one bit per cell and then we got mlc which was multi-level which was two and then we got TLC which was three and now we've got four so that basically just got to a point where the technology is matured enough they will survive that kind of the endurance ratings have improved so much they can do that now back in the day that would have killed your SSD pretty quickly but they're just as I said matured and evolved and now that is a thing that's possible yeah it seems like they're a decent option for say a not a high performance task but just like a large game library considering I think Samsung makes quite a four one-and-two terrible models yep you can very easily check your entire game library on something like that get decent performance you're not gonna get blazing fire speeds but certainly good enough for game loading well those solid drives mostly are these probably limited by the interface there anyway yeah 500 megabytes per second raid rights pretty much what you can do there say they're probably pretty useful secondary Drive selecting a Steam library or something but yeah if you want to know more about them check the reviews what they'll like is boot drives yeah I've got one I just haven't got her testing it out yet all right that's it much Q&A no it's all done all right it was a pretty successful Q&A episode as it well usually is I don't think we've had any epic fails as far as their queue times have gone so well we'll give ourselves a pat on the back here that one I'm sure we did a great job yeah really good questions from you guys as well as Steve mentioned the start of part one I think it was we do post the places where you can ask your questions on the YouTube community tab sometimes on Twitter and also in our discord chat which you can access through our patreon page that's where you can ask our new questions for these episodes so yeah if you're wondering about that we don't tend to get them from the YouTube comments on these episodes no we get a lot of comments on these episodes saying where do I ask my question as to said community page keep an eye on that yeah I'll keep refreshing it you've got about 30 days to get it right yep and then get your questions in for next month's episode what else I think we've covered everything the whole patreon stuff that we usually say you know it's subscribe to the channel we always like it when you guys do that I think Tim's doing a job with this outro comes up you know if you like the video that helps sometimes that don't do those and well I guess we'll catch you in the next one I'm your host Dave I'm your host Tim