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firstly a big THANK YOU to msi for making it possible for Tim and myself to attend Computex 2019 please check out their latest AMD x5 70 motherboards made for gamers and creators by the link in the video description also thank you to Corsair for their support please check all their exciting products out via the link in the video description welcome back to harbor unboxed for the May QA which we're doing from Computex so to be a little more casual than usual though the Q&A segments are pretty nice casual pretty casual but we're just doing this from my hotel rooms hopefully the audio is fine hopefully the Lighting's okay you're not really here to look at us it's more about hearing our answers to some of your questions so we should probably get into those and start answering them we reckon Tim yep sounds good to me cool first question the thing that got you most excited about for competition what was the most exciting thing and it's not really it's not even the most exciting product what was the most exciting thing at Computex magma has to be the Zen to sea view announcement surely that was the most exciting thing yeah yeah so basically that was even before Computex kicked off that was we're all pretty interested to see what AMD had to say there was some talks that it might just be like a chipset announcement and then some like further teasers further Zen to staff and Navi that would have really sucked I would have been massively letdown because I was expecting them to do pretty much what they did I was hoping for that anyway so that was great to see see that was probably the most exciting thing it's always exciting at the showroom floor and run around there's no real one product that stuck out like seeing all the the full range of X 570 motherboards from seuss msi gigabyte asrock all those guys that was that was a lot of fun there's always cool cases coolers monitors power supplies pretty much everything so yeah yeah I agree cool ok next one here can you send Tim to the gym he's a bit small to lift those large monitor safely yeah don't don't underestimate him he's a mighty little unit but now you can move those been one of the boxes ok super easy around especially after all this Computex work carrying a camera and I think I'm doing all right it's quite funny to the showroom floor Tim's been carrying his big camera rig and it's got a gimbal and everything on it that weighs and your camera alone in your lense weighs twice as much as mine so it's quite funny I've got my little church fire with my little lens on it then Tim's got this huge heavy rig that he has to lug around well I just cruise around quite comfortably so he's been getting plenty of workouts here at Computex just a quick one here I'll address this because I've already covered this in my initial third-gen Rison video my announcement video any guess about pricing for the 3600 and 3600 X so there the risin 5 processes that weren't mentioned in the live stream oddly but then were sort of revealed afterwards and put on their website so the pricing for the 3600 is $200 us and the 3600 X is 250 dollars u.s. so that information was included in my video covering the the keynote but there you have it do you think we'll get 16 core on a.m. for this year will it be a response to something Intel I managed to pull out so tell us to him what's gonna happen ah because I'm some Oracle Am I he's crystal ball out well first of all let's preface this by saying we don't know we don't know what aim these plans are for 16 core CPUs so all of what I'm about to say is a guess so let's just say that so when you sort of look at the lineup and and what aim DS done in terms of positioning and announcing and sort of their naming scheme giving the 12 core part part rise in 930 900 x branding it seems unlikely that they would push a 16 core part into that lineup for this generation it would make sense for AMD to sort of keep that 16 core part for a future generation so you rise in 4000 series simply because let's just say that it's a situation like with Zen - Zen plus and we get Zen - - Zen 2 plus or then 3 ends up just being basically then 2 plus then you know em you might only be left with a few percent IPC improvements they might be able to get a few hundred megahertz out of you know in terms of clocking at higher like they were able to with Rison - so then what else exciting stuff could they possibly give and one obvious option there is to give you a sixteen called then because they can go oh yeah we've got a little bit of IPC a little bit of clock speed but wait we've also got a new 16 core part that we're introducing and that would sort of you know bring a lot of hype to that next generation by keeping that in the bag for next year so if I had to guess that's probably what they'll end up doing I'd be surprised I wouldn't be surprised but it would be a little strange for aimed it has like a 39 50 X or something as the 16 core part because those two parts would be pretty similarly named yeah and very squashed up the top and you think if they were planning is 16 core for this generation that they would maybe have pushed all the products down like that have the instead of a was it 3,700 X and 3,800 X having a thirty seven hundred and thirty 700 X and then the twelve core could be the the 3800 X moving that living that 3900 X slot for sort of your 16 core part yeah so when you sort of look at all those things it does point more towards you know aimed at waiting for the next gen to release that CPU obviously there's been all those leaks for engineering samples that sort of say that you know it's possible to have that chip that I'm sure they've got them working but that isn't necessarily indication that it's coming now yeah I think that's where a bit of confusion comes into it because when we say we don't think there's a 16 put core part coming now people get up in arms and say but there is a 16 core part of how we not aware of this and they can clearly do one but yep we get they can do one it's just does it make sense to do one now and yeah it's really all about market conditions what which is what Tim and I've been saying since I don't know these rumors surfaced yeah they'll have it in their back pocket if they need to use it sooner than they would like to they will otherwise yeah it might be something they save for the yeah what would it be there's n 2 plus series I think yeah exactly I mean it could again depend on say Intel might do something crazy the interview I can't can't see that personally have now so let's say they come out with some ridiculous CPU on their mainstream desktop line and then aimed he could respond with the 16 core so from a strategy perspective for them it makes a lot of sense to keep that in the bag as opposed to just blasting everything out right now yeah and again as we said it's it's what the market yeah shouting out to me and Intel pushing out a ten core part we expect them to do that don't we I think yeah we probably probably and it's going to be another 14 and I mean a plus plus type deal I think for a lot of workloads it'll end up being slower than the 99 oh okay yeah so but it's not gonna rival a 12 cause in two parts so it doesn't really put AMD in a position where they have to push the 16 crap because Intel's gone and tacked on another two cores to the 19 on her okay yeah I think I'd be fairly confident saying that if there is a 16 core part for this Rison 3000 series that will definitely see it after thread Ripper because it would make it would make the most sense for AMD to produce a 16 core part with Xen to capabilities on thread Ripper first to sort of you know establish that lineup up to 32 cores or whatever they are not doing there and then later they can introduce 16 core to the mainstream because if they introduce 16 core now and then release afterwards a 16 core thread Ripper CPU they're kind of it would be useful for some yeah sure that CP was kind of going out to die so yeah I think that's probably my thoughts on this all yeah I have 16 core thing yeah fully growth everything you said there I was wondering if you guys could simulate the rx 5700 by overclocking Vegas 64 liquid-cooled to the limit if needed and making it 10 percent faster than the r-tx 2070 in strange brigade and then test the Vega in other games and compare it to other video cards okay I sort of see where you're going with that one and it would probably give you a rough idea but it wouldn't really be accurate it's it's a whole new architecture I mean obviously it'll lend well actually no it's meant to be designed from the ground up like lexan was so is it yeah it's been to be a whole new architecture so yeah GCN's compute heavy well they said in their keynote where they've done the same thing they did with risin we're risin they're just fresh use clean slate and so that's what our DNA's meant to be okay how true that is I don't know we haven't seen it we don't know basically you can't really simulate a different architecture so we could we could simulate the rise and five processes with the rise in seven processes because you just disable a few cause it's the same architecture it's the same CPU that's essentially what AMD is doing anyway so you can accurately simulate that you just have to try and roughly match the clock speeds but when we're talking about a completely different architecture that has improved efficiency and who knows what else we haven't like I said we haven't seen it yet we haven't really seen any solid specifications it might give you a rough idea but yeah they'll it's kind of well I guess you could look at it simulating chewing performance with the Pascal GPU it doesn't really work yeah next question here do you think the new AMD rise in CPU 37 rx will come with a box cooler will you reckon to him well I actually looked this up right before the we're answering the question jobs I wanted to know whether ami released the information it turns out they have the rise in seven and rise in nine CPU so that's your eight cores and your 12 core processors they all come with the Wraiths prism apparently according to AMD's website it's good cool and then for the rise in five CPUs it's I believe they're 3,600 X that's the higher clocked model that comes with the race spire and then the lower clocked model comes with the Wraith Stealth's I believe that's the 3600 so yeah that's the cooler situation with the the rise ins 3000 series as far as the chips they've released so far so yeah next question could you do a collab with Jared from Jared's tech that would be really exciting to watch we can probably do that actually if we were to do that it would probably look something like this good a job would you like to do a club yeah all right we'll make that happen cool all right I've got Tim back I'm clapping with Tim now yeah we will you be doing testing it with the mitigations enabled when you start benchmarking for Verizon 3000 so I'm assuming they're talking about the well the Intel vulnerabilities so it's on B load for example we basically test with the latest security stuff enabled so only if it's enabled by default though so we won't go and enable them too deliberately crippled Intel if that stuff hasn't been enabled yet for whatever reason maybe there's things they've still got to sort out so we'll test with the latest version of Windows and the latest motherboard BIOS update so whatever that enables that's how we'll test I'll obviously let you guys know if it does enable certain mitigations if if it's new to what we've been testing about the previous like spectrum meltdown stuff we've been testing with that enabled ever since it was enabled by default so if it's not enabled by default by the time we go to test Rison then so be I mean guys will have the conspiracies like Intel delayed and motherboard manufacturers pushing them out till after rise and so Intel didn't take a hit then if that happens it happens it just means I'll retest once they come out I mean there's nothing else I can do about it really I can't go and apply them if they never get rolled out in the way that we think they're going to so that's that one more questions coming up here this one's on na'vi na'vi seems to have some unexpected things such as the rDNA and such but with them comparing to a 2070 is there any hope na'vi having better than 20 80 / 10 ATT eye level card in other words a cheaper and or better than vega 7 not implying Vega is better than 28 what do I say first of all we've got to test it to see where we're at but I like the direction that AMD is taking with the rDNA architecture separating that from their compute heavy products I think that's definitely something they've needed to do for a long time I think it's yeah definitely step in the right direction what it means for this first release hard to say well we'll test it and see I'm not I'm not going to jump to any conclusions after we see the performance I think they're taking things in the right direction I think down the track it will be massively beneficial so I think it's a way for AMD to make it come back got a tonight at Tim know you guys want to touch that one okay next question what's been the most Wow item you've seen a Computex so far that's not a motherboard case or AMD any hidden gems well I'm gonna I'm gonna pop since I read that question pass that off to Tim so I can have a quick thing okay well I was just quickly thinking cuz I was like I bet Steve's gonna pass this one are ya think we go um look I mean as a monitor kind of guy you know that's not included in that list of things true so I can mention it's a loophole for you how good I can't mention the Seuss mini LED monitor I think it's probably not the most exciting product for a lot of people but to get better HD our support even though it's gonna be really ridiculously expensive again it just excites me because H jars been great on TVs and to have more monitors that can do it well is something that I look out for and probably as well I'm not I'm not sure what you're gonna say but if you do say this then I've stolen it from you and then knocked your passive cooler I was going to say that but it's alright I'll think of something else yeah so that which we haven't really covered on the channel too much but the ability to passively cool in 9900 K with this big beast thing hmm that was pretty cool that was no pun intended okay well storage we've been talking about like the storage the gigabyte Oris had their m2 a quad expansion card that you can raid with you know raid zero does like 15 gigabytes per second that's kind of on my wish list now so you know that was really exciting and a bit of it was also a bit of a hidden gem I didn't expect to see that coming so that was that was really cool it's also an awesome feature of the x5 70 platform because that's what you need to use it yeah every saw a lot of good cases the I'm also back to Knox were also there d15 successor that looks pretty cool yes yeah I mean no not true they will probably take a fair while to come out but yeah their work yeah certainly very cool I also quite liked no no who's probably controversial but the team group RGB SSD is ridiculous is RGB SSDs are if you're getting one that one looks by far the best of any on the market I agree the wow factor with that thing's pretty incredible at yeah it's an old rinky-dinky solder SSD but it does look impressive yes I kind of one of those aesthetic things like they had the liquid called end not to drive as well which is like yeah what's that going to provide cooling wise but at least four builds and you want to make a cool-looking build it's for sure yeah it sure builds for sure you triggered another thought with me of liquid cooling I really liked of course as hydro x range so the GPU blocks them look really cool all the connectors and stuff so yeah I mean I'm I'm pretty keen to I think it's been sent my way so just play around with that and their their CPU blocks looks good as well so yeah some cool stuff there from Corsair yeah it's probably a whole heap of other things but that's all that's coming to mind right now we'll move on to the next question alright now the question here from our good mates al Kagan in artists called chat our Intel's performance claims as nonsense as they seem on the surface so he's yeah I'll let you start with this one Tim yeah I mean we we haven't talked a lot about the Intel announcements in the show because it's kind of more at least at this stage a laptop type thing you're sort of looking at ice like or whatever they're calling it um so I guess the main things that people are concerned about is looking at the slides that they provide about the IPC improvements I think Intel was quoting up to 18% for ice or sunny Cove compared to Skyway that came out of nowhere so that was kind of like ah that's would be interesting but I think what stars referring to is it looked like in the fine print of that slide that Intel weren't running these security patches that are required for the latest skylight processes so you know I believe that would include not just the latest stuff but also the previous meltdown specter so they weren't running any of that to get those gains so were they running the security patterns obviously we don't know all the fine details and Tim and I haven't really covered this too closely as Tim said but were they running those security patches on the older system Oh comparing it to I'm not sure so it's not clear because there's like we've seen there's quite a substantial performance difference between that so if all systems were tested in the same way that story that mean too much it's still an apples to apples test but yeah it's a bit funny that they would specify that they're not using their current mitigations that's weird yeah I found that weird as well the other thing that I found slightly strange was sort of they had this chart that showed the performance of the laptop CPUs of skylake through two KB like refresh through whiskey Lake through to their latest generation stuff on 10 animators and the performance difference between whiskey lake and the new ice lake paths in their charts wasn't that large and it certainly wasn't 18% so I guess the initial thing is that obviously the clock speeds look like they're going to be lower with the new ice lake part you know it looks like we're going down from say you're mid 4 gigahertz to below 4 gigahertz for the maximum turbo free okay which might have something to do with that I wasn't will have to maybe put up that shot on the screen or something cuz I wasn't sure whether it was entire CPU performance or just single threaded or just IPC there cuz I PNC doesn't really if you're changing the clock speed anyway yes but that chart looked not as impressive as that 18 percent gain because I don't know if you increase the IPC then you down clock it then you're really not going to be getting much so yeah this is possibly something we look into a bit more closely when we get back if there's interest in that but it seems like it's a bit of marketing silliness on that one yeah I mean Intel's trying to make it sound impressive let go of his IPC games but if they can't clock it as I intend animators then it's a bit of a moot point and we're not games so but again this isn't going to apply to the desktop parts for quite some time it doesn't sound like that CPU core architecture is going to be ready for high-performance CPU I mean laptop arts I guess a high performance but I mean like in 95 watt desktop parts for quite some time so yeah it's still a lot to play out there but to me like even though if those performance games on the CPU might not sound as impressive as they look on the surface the GPU improvements still look pretty decent I mean we're coming from a really terrible integrated graphics to something that is at least going on Intel's marketing slightly better than the rise in AP use on 10 nanometers it's not like they're blowing everything out of the water by Intel that is a big step forward it's if we compare Intel to Intel I think what you're saying is it's really impressive yeah for them so yeah so but if you ignore all other current solutions integrated solutions yeah probably not as impressive so I'll be interested to test that out and see what they've done all right next question here I think this might be similar to a question we've already ants but we'll give it a go anyway given the stated TDPS of these n2 chips why does it seem like so many of the x5 70 motherboards look a massively over built from the veer in perspective almost all the ones I saw showcased at Computex look to be boards that will start four and $200 and we're not going to get be 550 until next year something seems off well I wouldn't say anything seems off to me in the themes seems pretty good we've sort of talked about why the board's well actually we haven't talked about that we've talked about people thinking that the CPUs are power-hungry because of the big beefy VRMs which aren't necessarily necessary obviously people are wanting to build in Headroom because they're all expecting a 16 called pile at some point it's definitely happening at some point we just don't know whether it's next month later in the year early next year whatever the case may be there are it's really it's a really really good sign so something's definitely not off it's the complete opposite to something being off it's a it's it's a sign that people are taking AMD seriously namely motherboard vendors the motherboard vendors that we spoke to said that they're now seeing their AMD boards heavily out selling their Intel boards which I was shocked by yeah I heard one or two people say that to us so hopefully that informations well I don't really care if it's correct or not but it's a sign that rise ins getting good crap good traction we know that for current sales rising is selling well so that being the case they're willing to invest more into the boards make the board's better because they're expecting to sell large volumes of them so yeah that's certainly good news that's certainly good news for AMD to that no not really and I mean making a massively overbuilt vrm is only going to mean better vrm performance it'll run cooler so even if it ends up being completely unnecessary for the chips that are actually on this platform yeah you just end up getting better performance and potentially you know if you want to do a massive 16 core all core overclock that the board is going to be capable and not running close to the the limits of what that board can do but still has Headroom for or you know thermals and all that sort of thing so the board runs well absolutely it's great to see so many high quality X 570 boards because you look at the B 450 boards off the top of my head with that if there's any been any newer ones released when I first did my roundup it was like a mess I had the tomahawk and the carbon Pro there mortar M ATX board was pretty good but other than that the other board makers kind of dropped the ball there there vrm and Cooling was pretty crap the X 470 range was pretty crap as well like the flagship boards from a gigabyte and a soos were good but beyond that the cheaper boards weren't very good you just get B 450 instead so you really had to be careful about which board you bought especially if you wanted to overclock or yeah upgrade CPUs down the track whereas with x5 70 is from what I've seen and that's sort of what you're commenting they look to be like the cheapest boards around $200 but they're all good as you know corner-cutting crappy boards like they all seem really really good gigabytes range looks amazing MSI had some great boards we didn't get to look at the asou spawns in too much detail in terms of the vrm design I think they're still going with their twin phase Yale which we're not particularly sold on one way or the other but none of their boards are bad that's for sure there are really good boards and they're going to handle the 16 core part if and when that comes out in the rise and 3000 series anyway so that's that one okay so that concludes part 1 of this month's QA that you're probably watching in the next month by the time we edit this and we'll probably be on a plane and while you guys are watching this self we're not replying to any or addressing any of the comments in the comment section it's probably because we're on the 10-hour flight back to Melbourne anyway thank you for watching like subscribe share sharing a thing I think we we should encourage people to share not sure people actually do it okay guys please share we need show team um you might enjoy it I don't know she into tech stuff anyway that is definitely going to do it for this one you can also support us on patreon if you want to do that but anyway thanks for the great questions and 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