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welcome back to the hardware unboxing news corner on this hot summer in Australian Day today's episode is probably a little different from some of the usual episodes we do and now we're only going to talk about two topics the recent slate of leaks relating to Amy's upcoming products and invidious new Titan r-tx will be giving a few of our thoughts on these things throughout this video so a bit of the news pinions episode or something like that so we're going to start with the AMD rumors because there's a lot of stuff to cover and a lot of you guys have been asking for opinions on it all of this information first appeared in a video from Jim over at a dog TV who has leaked a few things in the past and let's just say these rumors have sent our tech enthusiast into a bit of a whirlwind this week I think the Navi related GPU rumors are probably the best point to start the basics for these rumors are this AMD is allegedly planning to release an RX 30 80 RX 30 70 and rx 30 60 based on their upcoming Navi architecture the RX 30 80 will be about 15% faster than Vega 64 at 150 watts allowing it to compete with the RT X 2070 and it will be priced at $250 the RX 37 t will be around Vega 56 performance for $200 and the RX 36 t will be 75 watts at a hundred and thirty dollars and it will compete with the GTX 1060 now at first glance this sounds amazing at $250 GP from AMD competing with a $500 GPU from Nvidia that sounds well I guess it sounds too good to be true and basically that's because it is this rumour simply fails the common sense test on a number of grounds so let's go through and cover them all I guess I'll start with the pricing here firstly companies do not set pricing this far ahead of launch even if we're talking about a full unveil at CES that show is roughly a month away and there's simply no way a company has finalized pricing a month in advance it just does not happen it's actually quite common for us to receive a GPU or CPU under MDA maybe a week in advance and it will only be a few days before launch that pricing is actually finalized and given to us people in the industry have mentioned to us that typically though pricing is too so about a week before launch for most products while these sorts of products are designed around you know rough price targets for example in a mid-range high-end enterprise that sort of thing the products themselves are typically finalized without an exact price point in mind the company would then figure out how much the product will cost to make based on yields and potential binning though then factoring a margin and then only decide on a price near launch after also factoring in current market conditions so while it's not out of the question to have rough specifications finalized well before launch pricing and even final clock speeds and that sort of thing often aren't decided until much closer to the actual release then for these GPUs the pricing simply does not make any sense from a number of angles AMD may want to undercut in video with a next generation of GPUs that would make sense you know they've done that sort of thing in the past but no sane company would choose to create a product and sell it for half the price of their only other competitor so now opinion it's completely ridiculous to suggest ambi will release a navvy GPU at two hundred and fifty dollars that delivers performance equivalent to invidious $500 RTX 2070 it makes zero business sense and no executive at AMD would ever sign off on pricing like that if a company wanted to undercut its competitors you maybe be looking at a 20% lower price at best so that would mean AMD competing with an RX 2070 equivalent for around $400 that would sound reasonable but AMD isn't going to sacrifice juicy margins just for the sake of destroying in video or whatever they're a business they want to make money so they're going to price their products with current market conditions in mind but that's not the only thing that makes no sense AMD literally just released their Radeon rx 590 at two hundred and eighty dollars and now we have a leak suggesting they will announce a product in a month that is twice as fast at a lower price that's just completely out of little OOD Icarus the only thing about this GPU leak that makes even the remotest sense is the TDP and memory configuration perhaps the naming as well though I'm not sure any of it is true AMD is publicly stated that seven nanometers is allowing the company to produce products that deliver the same performance at half the power consumption so further suppose at rx 30 77 nanometers should allow AMD to create a product that performs around the same level as the 210 watt Vega 56 120 watts for pricing it at $200 yeah I'm not sure about that one then we have the third-generation risin products this leak talks about ten separate products ranging from the risin three 3300 up to the rise in 938 50x you'd think AMD might go with a naming scheme like that so I guess we're off to a good start mostly CPUs Sandler there within the realm of possibility inch level parts getting a bump up to six cores and twelve threads rise and five reportedly becomes eight cores and 16 threads rise in seven goes up to 12 cores and 24 threads then rise in nine comes in offering 16 cores and 32 threads these designs are suggested to use AMD's 40 nanometer IO die in conjunction with one or two seven animators and two dies which again would make sense going on what AMD has shown for the upcoming server products but when you look a little closer again things don't really line up take this one example the rise in 730 700 X this is claimed to be a 12 core part with a 4.2 gigahertz base clock 5 gigahertz boost and 105 watt TDP you look across the rest of the table yeah I guess that looks reasonable on face value but back with second generalizing the Rison 720 700 X was also a 105 watt part but this time only included 8 cores a base clock of 3.7 gigahertz and a max boost of 4.3 gigahertz so this leak is essentially claiming that third gen risin is providing for extra cores plus an additional 500 megahertz on the base clock within the same 105 watt power n voice so 50% more cores and a 14% higher base clock now we have to remember when AMD said it there's an to unveil the seven nanometers is allowing them to achieve upwards of one point two five times the performance at the same power consumption so does it sound realistic that AMD would be able to put in 50% more cause and clock them or 14% higher within the same TDP the TDP is I guess never been a great metric and nobody's previous rise in line ups have also a few oddities but I could list several more strange things about this lab that just don't sound right when measuring up the clock speeds and Teddy pace and aligned with what AMD has done in the past like how there's a 4 gigahertz 8 core chip in this lineup at 95 watts but then a 16 cord ship at 4.3 gigahertz and that's only 135 watts the clock speed increase and the core increase doesn't seem to be matching the TDP there as well it's just not adding up to me but on top of that there's one key part of the CPU that makes the least sense and that's the unveiled date at sea yes and I guess this also applies to the GPU lineup as well which is supposedly going to be unveiled at CES as well at this point I think a lot of people are expecting a and B to do a big unveil of these products CES considering CEO Lee Suh will be on stage talking about seven nanometer products but from what we are hearing that simply isn't the case and by from what we're hearing I actually mean from what we're not hearing whenever AMD releases a new lineup of CPUs or GPS that host a tech day where all the enthusiasts mean together to learn about these new products it's at these events we usually hear about the products in detail and there's you know several NDA dates afterwards for announcements reviews and so forth this is the way ambi has been operating for the last few years at least so far there is no planned tech day for AMD at CES in fact at last year's CES AMD did host a tech day it's where they announced the Rison apu lineup and a few new rise in mobile SKUs but we heard about that event as early as September so nearly 4 months ahead of time which is fairly typical for planning these sorts of trips so if there was a tech day we would have heard about it by now AMD are planning a few small things that CES this year there will be a press reception and some meetings available you know typical sort of things that these major events but if there's no tech day you can take it to the bank that there won't be a major unveil of a full product liner now it's likely that Lisa sue will take the stage at CES and announce something considering they have this big keynote to talk seven animators blood only be expecting a product teaser at this stage and here's another example for what I made at Computex 2018 AMD did not host a tech day but they had a press conference there they announced second gen thread Ripper but only talked about a handful of specs near 12 nanometers up to 32 cores and some ballpark specs there were no official product names there were no finalized SKUs spec's and there were certainly no prices I think that's the sort of thing we can expect at CES not some massive unveil of an entire lineup of cpus and gpus with pricing specs and everything else finalized on top of that ambi has already said and reiterated that the first seven nanometers n2 products will be their second generation epic CPUs which haven't been officially launched yet so it's unlikely that we'll see a full third gen rise and unveil until after 2nd gen epic is unveiled and by unveiled I mean the full lineup of SKUs you know all the specs pricing and everything for that so this has been a lot of discussion on the one topic but there's just a lot of things about this leak that failed the common sense test don't align with Amy's previous stated claims don't align with what AMD has done in the past and simply don't fit in with what we know about AMD's release timeline for the next couple of months well I stopped I'm going to have a quick discussion about the Titan r-tx which Nvidia officially unveiled earlier this week after a few suspicious product placements from a few top influences in case you missed it it's a $2,500 graphics card that uses a fully unlocked churring tu1 or two GPU so it comes with the full complement of 4608 cuda cores 576 tenths of course and 72 RT cause in comparison the artex 2080 Ti is cut down slightly with 4352 two cores clock speeds are similar to the 20 atti founders Edition at 13 50 megahertz based though it has a higher boost clock up to 17 70 megahertz you're also getting 24 gigabytes of gddr5 4-bit bus for 672 gigabytes per second of bandwidth and everything comes with a 280 watt TDP the Titan ITX isn't a really interesting position in the market in a video sort of positions this as a gaming card claiming it's the fastest single GP on the market and all that stuff but at $2,500 it's really not going to be on the radar of most gamers especially when the 2080 TI is already out and available for $1200 we're looking at around 15% more performance than the 2080 I for more than double the price so yeah not something game is going to rush out and buy this leaves the Titan X is more of a workstation or can focus card but when you look at the specifications it's a bit weird yes it has 24 gigabytes of vram and more single precision and tensor compute performance than its predecessor the Titan V as well as more memory bandwidth at the same time you aren't getting a half rate double precision compute like you get with the Titan V instead double precision compute is cut down considerably this makes the Titan V still faster for double precision workloads so someone interested in a Titan RTX would need to be after a car with lots of VRAM but not for FP 64 workloads if you want FP 64 performance you should go for the Titan V but then you miss out on the large amount of memory and compute performance in other areas isn't as good to get the best of both worlds you need the Quadro gb 100 as even in videos Quadra RT x cards don't offer half rate double precision but then a tight 90 x-pyr would also need to not be interested in the certifications you get from Quadro cards the different line of drivers or ECC memory support which are all reasons to buy GPU like the more expensive Quadra RT x 6000 so yeah like past titan launches the Titan HX is a strange one I think its value to buyers has been dampened a fair bit with the 28 each eye laundering before the Titan RT X usually the Titan card comes first that interest you know few games with deep pockets then later we get a high in Ti model that's a more reasonable price but there's really no incentive for gamers to buy it and for workstations it's a pretty niche product compared to Nvidia squadra and volta offerings anyway that's basically it for this week's news corner just two topics covered but I really wanted to dig into the amb rumors because they're blowing up and I think people are getting a little bit ahead of themselves honestly these sorts of rumors aren't good for the industry at hypes people hype for mythical products and when the real products are unveiled people can get disappointed because it's not as awesome if the leaks suggested it would be and that can even be the case when the products are still good value good products in their own right so that's why we tend not to focus on rumors too much you can subscribe to get news corner in your inbox every week consider supporting us on patreon to get access to our exclusive discord chat and monthly live streams and I'll catch you in the next one gotta find them