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welcome back here is the second half of the Q&A session with Tim he's gonna appear in a moment if you missed yesterday's video then you probably want to check that at first I'll provide a link in the video description alright next question is from Maddy he says hey guys how do you write these 77 okay compared to the 87 or okay purely for a gaming rig only thanks in advance love your work thank you very much okay well right now for gaming I'd say there's no noticeable difference between the semi center okay and 87 okay for pretty much 99.9 percent of the games out there and that really goes for even for guys that are using like a GTX 10 ATT I'm probably the next gen stuff as well having said all that though there is no way I would be investing in a 77 okay today even though the 87 ROK is still more expensive and out of stock I still would it's kind of a weird time to buy right now because you've got you know seventy seven okay there but then it's at the end of the road you could get the 87 okay if it was in stock but then it's like $60 u.s. a price I wouldn't buy it for that either because I don't like buying things above the MSRP because you know next week you could have saved $60 us potentially and they are ramping up supply of the 87 okay at the moment so yeah and just the fact that the 77 okay has 33% fewer cores and threads and it cost the same amount I just couldn't pull the trigger one run pull the trigger on one right now as a weird kind of Anarchy bear with me it's a bit like if the horizon 5 1500 X and risin 5 1600 were the same price so that's the four core risin 5 versus the 6 core rise and 5 processor imagine actually probably worse than that because you'd have to imagine that the 1500 X was actually an AM 3 processor so the dead older platform and at the 1600 was on the current AM for platform because that's gonna give you sent me senator Kay a similar comparison so in summary with the 87 RK out of stock and overpriced just wait at this point it's just a matter of months now till we have rise on two which is what we talked about early in the video that's hopefully yeah I'm fairly confident from what I've been hearing I have no concrete information but yeah I think we'll see that a lot of news reports are talking sort of February so yeah what was it was it much this year I got the roses yes is it like CES sort of timeframe yeah so I'd be shocked if by March we didn't have horizon 2 on deck and of course Intel also has well we suspect Intel has an eight-course 16 thread CPU for the LGA 1151 platforms so that'll be something a notch up from the 87 or okay but that'll cost more money for sure yeah whereas the 87 Recces is $20 us more than the 77 okay so it's going to be in stock soon so like absolute latest I would say in January if I had to guess but sooner so for all those reasons I mentioned I wouldn't buy a 77 or okay even notes right now indistinguishable from the 87 okay for gaming alright so the next question is from Swann and Aaron hopefully I didn't screw that one up as well but you know it's probably been a lot of that um question to Tim is the new Raven Ridge worth it or should I wait for pinnacle Ridge more specifically is the new 2500 you worth it so those who don't know Raven Ridge is the mobile risin ship that MD has launched unfortunately though I haven't tested it yet and I haven't even gotten word that I'll be getting one seems like AMD has been a bit slack on this particular Lodge can't get my hands on out of time so yeah it's hard to say at the moment whether it's worth it because I haven't barely compare it to Intel's 8th gen parts but what I have seen is that at least the laptops that do have Raven Ridge at the moat they are cheaper than some of the equivalent you know laptops with Intel 8 June CPUs and the key advantage is going to be that extra GPU power that you get from the you know Vega cause in there so I'm really curious to see how that works I'm also curious to see how am do you sort of crammed there for Zen cause as well as that GPU into the same TDP is what Intel uses for their 8th gen parts obviously the the latest 8th gen parts are also a quad cores but they have weaker graphics so yeah I'm pursuing your aim he's bringing a lot of throttling to get it down to that TDP and 15 watts that's very tight to fit both you know the Rison in there as well as that you know Vega GP that's apparently you know it could be two or three times faster than you know the Intel equivalent so yeah I'm really keen to be testing it out but know like I said I haven't got any test systems at the moment so just get that waiting for it yeah I thought AMD would be really keen yes that stuff out and have guys testing it's showing the results even if they're not that readily available I still like a coffee like if you will yeah what the thing with AMD in the mobile spaces they fight really hard to get their chips into life that's true the high quality ultrabook products where Intel is just yeah all over this HP yeah a usual part like HP and they usually you know the more entry levels you know computers so yeah I'm really hoping in the next couple of you know months and so forth that will start getting those you know big design wins from AMD yeah I think as well like I wouldn't be worrying too much about rising to that will be again you know desktop launch to begin with when it comes to their future product you'll still have to wait you know probably towards the end of next year - see ya - see them push it down to their mobile stuff yeah hopefully Raven Ridge can break the ice there or is it pinnacle Ridge yeah sorry just leave it at tomb yeah so hopefully we will see some testing once they get my hands on the laptop there hazard in hopefully soon you'll see that straight on the channel really excited about yeah a lot of guys are asking for that I know nothing about it and haven't got a sample so Tim will be taking care of all that mobile benchmark er all right so we've got another question or a new question from Patricia Hernandez I built a budget system early this year with the G 45 60 and a 560 Ti but I decided to prepare for a bare CPU so I bought a Z 270 board order to upgrade to an i7 later sure I get an 7700 K or upgrade my motherboard and get an 80 700 K I'm getting a 1060 soon by the way so I think this one for you Steve yeah okay so upgrading to a 1060 well anyone to get a core i7 yes okay well if you're only upgrading to a 1060 and that's yeah what your going to be getting soon I wouldn't be going for a core i7 CPU as nice as they sound it's probably going to be massive massive overkill for a gaming system with a 1060 especially because well you sort of have to go I see where he's coming from because on the dead 270 platform you really want eight threads now because we're coming to sort of the end of the core i5s I would probably be looking at selling the G 45 60 ml z 270 board and if I was to buy right now probably a core i5 8400 so six cause there that's a really really good way to go and yeah like I said anything core i7s pretty much overkill I think that's meant to be about $109 us turn atala CPU when it's in stock and that's the other problem there because really take advantage of the core i5 8400 you want the budget motherboards which don't exist a Zedd 370 boards are getting down to 110 ish hundred and twenty dollars us but that's nothing like the 60 to 70 dollars we should see the B 360s at so I guess it's kind of that situation where that time of the year now where people are really saying wait to buy because like we said we've got hopefully Rison to in a couple of months and that could really change things on the CPU landscape and GPU new GPU is probably yeah they probably a bit further away next year but that might knock down prices of GPU so right now I'd say if you've got you what is it the 560 Ti that he had and a g40 560 probably hold on to them make do with them for now ride it out till early next year because then you'll have the availability of B 360 boards with a hopefully they'll be in supply the coffee-like CPUs Core i5 8400 that would be Core i5 8400 with the GTX 1060 that would be awesome yeah or by that stage it'll be probably a month and you'll see what rise in two hours to offer and that may knock down the price of coffee lake or you might just go that's good Rison to processor or it'll knock down the can't rise and cps so yeah our advice is just wait next question is from Ali chakra I said that one it's my turn do you guys ever get tired by the schedules or do you relax if needed well Tim probably can answer that one just yet you will be able to soon trust me from my personal experience this she has been pretty brutal with the schedules cuz you can't guys just keep saying yo Steve you know take a break you look tired just take some time off unfortunately you just can't do that YouTube doesn't allow breaks are not allowed you really have to be doing content pretty much every day at this point sad reality if you don't you just don't go anywhere so if you want people to watch your videos and be able to do this full-time you've got to pump the continent you got to keep doing it so yeah we're showing Tim we were talking about a couple of there's a few Aussie guys that do reviews and there's a couple other tech channels around the world do really high quality work like surprisingly really good contents impressive stuff and they just don't get the views they deserve because they're doing one video a week and YouTube's just like one video a week go away we don't want to push your content so yeah it can be pretty hard knowing that you've put all this time and effort no big benchmark video and you're exhausted from doing that and then the next day so all I want to get a video up if you take that off its really the next day you've got to get a video out so yeah that's definitely the challenge of YouTube but I think even tech sites face that as well like daily news you have to have multiple updates every day all the Google search just ignores the website so yeah I think there's times in the year when you know there's more product launches all at once and there's times in year where you know there's not as many launches to cover and often you know with the you know embargoes and stuff you have to deal with it can be you're really tight to have a lot of embargoes at once yeah I think we had that this year with Vega and yeah a few times I was just like Tim please finish you need help yeah so a time like you know December and January and February can be yes we quiet compare some of the other months yeah we still have to get the content out you know on a daily basis that you were saying so yeah there was I think Rison just AMD there was I can't remember the order but I think it was was a thread Ripper Rison three vague oh yeah time middle yeah there's like all within here for weeks or something and that was crazy those times are the worst yeah at least handball one of them officer Timmons a tech carry this for me yeah anyway yeah that's all for next year next she's a very hard next Joey you're putting my face up alright so next question we have here is from a but what would you say the expected life span is of an r5 1600 and gtx 1070 a gigabyte high settings at 1080p okay well I'd say the r5 1600 is the CPU there's six core 12 threats CPU that should really be good for many many years to come I can't see I can't even imagine a future where at 12 threaded CPU is being overwhelmed by games I mean we're really struggling to kill the quad course at this point yeah so yeah I'd be shocked if it's within five years that the arisin CPU is really really struggling or being overwhelmed by games but let's hope that it is sooner as for the gtx 1070 well 1080p gaming that thing is a beast that really you could you'd be really looking like 144 Hertz like which were earlier yeah so I think the 1070 at least a couple of years at least two years of and that's yeah at high settings I think that was the question wasn't it yeah high settings in probably two years you could probably get away with higher settings for a 1070 and then you'd sort of have to start stepping it down to medium and whatever but again there's so much that depends on driver optimization doesn't it which we've seen so it depends how aggressively Nvidia pursues Pascal driver optimization we've seen that Maxwell has aged incredibly well I did a video that was probably on the channel a few days ago and I was a revisit of the 980ti and that has aged incredibly well still hanging in there with the 1070 which is where it was on the seventies launch so if an aged as well as Maxwell then yeah I'd say at least two years yeah I think one of the things that we might be seeing happening in the next couple years is that it might sound ridiculous but like the eight gigabytes of vram that's included might not be enough because we're seeing a lot of games of big big textures especially now that you know the consoles have got a lot of you know memory in them at the moment yeah and so you know there's a lot of these developers that are pushing enormous 4k texture packs with their games like I think shadow of war can use all of the 1080 T eyes yes I yeah yeah I think it's that I haven't actually explored that one but there is one dam recently I came out with a mega yeah so if anything it might be that but like like you said I think you'll still be good for another couple years before we start seeing them here really yeah I mean the vram buffer thing textures probably arguably are one of the most important things for visual quality like if you yeah you walk up close to a wall and the textures are really bad then it's like yeah I mean I think that's what Star Wars Battlefront does really well the tension is in that game a phenomenal so it'll still perform well you get a higher frame rates if you do just turn the things that are eating up that VR and buff and that's the same thing we saw with the fury acts the fury excellence fogging vram before now just gets smoked in so many games it's just yeah it out equip but again if you turn those memory hungry settings down then the fury X will come to life so it depends on what you're willing to compromise on oh I say it to guys like if you buy hardware now and you're still expect you to be kicking some serious backs fired in two years time they're not you know but if you're willing to compromise a little bit and yeah yeah alright next question is from Rodrigo gas akan when will you ever get a proper knife for the unboxing boxes videos yes Dave when are you gonna get something actually cuts things what are you talking about I'll cover the brand name cuz what are you talking about I you've been struggling recently with the boxes maybe the guys have a point this knife is pretty bad you need a proper box cutter oh wait so um actually that's what I'll I'll use a proper knife when someone sends me once that's a my way of scamming a free knife is for that I'll actually have to start my pure box so yeah I haven't got what you have a customs were sending you knives so something you can do I actually think I've seen a few other youtubers not tech youtubers but oh yeah get knives at they unbox okay well yeah customs are shot yeah see how they go just test the boys out okay the next question is from Kevin H or H so the thing that always comes up anyway are soft tubing it seems easier but hard troops are much more aesthetically pleasing indeed they are is there anything I should be aware e of before deciding to try a custom loop for the first time or specific tips if I go hard tubing well yeah that's a that's a tricky one first of all liquid cooling in general whether you do the I suppose the soft tubing as much not talking about difficulty here just price-wise it's a lot cheaper I think or they're both pretty pricey you really want you to get a forget a big radiator and a good pump and that it's yeah you're looking at plenty of dollar so basically yes what I'm getting at is liquid cooling in general or custom stuff not the all-in-one stuff if you think of doing custom or liquid cooling have plenty of money yeah it's it's really expensive so basically work out all the parts and how much you'll need and tack on another 50 percent probably for a first-timer cuz yeah it can be expensive and of course you do run the risk of having leaks which can damage components the hard tubes stuff does look amazing okay see here it looks pretty cool I've done a few builds it depending on how good you are with all that sort of stuff like the bending of the tubes and that I don't find it too difficult but I do a lot of hands-on building type stuff and I've done a lot of plumbing in that that not saying that they're exactly the same but not similar yeah both have pipes of water in them so same thing it's definitely a lot harder but the main thing is it's just wildly impractical so the I've got a couple of test systems with soft tubing and you know you can stick the block on you change the CPU rip it off and you can they're pretty durable I throw the block around stuff changing CPUs I've never ever had a leak the fittings that these days are really good and yet they're just flexible you can change your CPU you can change your graphics card or whatever I mean if there's a block attention the graphics card at least you can still take it out if there's a problem or something or you're trying to diagnose something you can take the graphics cut out at least hang it out of the system with hard pipes you got no wriggle room so if you wanted to change the CPU now you're gonna drain the whole system actually physically take the pipes out and take it apart so it's a nightmare really in that sense it's great for show and that I don't know I mean my personal rigors that Corp III when we built on the channel and thankfully nothing wrong with that so but yeah as someone that uses my PC for gaming in a lot of it really know if I bother with the hard PI like a one-time thing you put your hard pipes in yeah don't plan on upgrading gonna have to build a whole yeah yeah yeah and then you know if it is a gaming system you have a couple of problems that you gotta try and diagnose it's just a nightmare because you can't take components out to swap things in or whatever so yeah probably went a bit generic with my response for there but yeah I would definitely go for softube the first time sort of climate I as yourself to custom liquid cooling that way and then if you're very confident with that and you know all the cons and pros the only real con is it looks cool the pros are everything else then try the hard tubes tough I think you said pros and cons are in the wrong way compro pro con whatever they know what I meant alright a question here from sumit by NOLA Oh God give him the hard ones hi alright what you like to do other than PC and technical things so yeah interesting question have to think about this run for a little bit because most the stuff I do is the PC technical things I think I probably count gaming in that which is something I do a lot outside of work sort of stuff but blowing the line yeah it's a bit of a blurred line there apart from that you've probably seen the back of some of my sets if you watch my video I tend to build a lot of Lego that sort of thing you know it's nice and relaxing to do that I think gets gets my mind away from work and I watch a fair bit of sport as well so not too much playing it because I'm just awful but watching on TV and so I see that side of this okay I guess I could answer it kind of twice because there's quite a big age gap between to myself so when I was your age I would have struggled to answer as well I played a favorite of sport certainly more than I do now what inline hockey okay so okay yeah yeah yeah I really enjoyed that that was awesome I'd still love to play it but it was a bit brutal on the body okay yeah when I was your age it wasn't so bad but now you take a hit like that and you've gone for a few weeks if not longer I was into cars massively when I was your age so yeah young guy into cars so that's where my money went but I cuz I do like hands-on stuff I built my car for those of you wondering I had a skyline listen scarlet that was an important r33 and I changed the turbo and everything on that and tons of money and time and fun and it was a track car so you should take the track and stuff but ya did a lot of that but now that I'm I'm older and wiser I pretty much just messed around on my house so I like building things I've got all the power tools that there can be to buy basically so yeah I've done a lot of products around my house I'm always building things and fixing things not so much this year at the YouTube channel that's kind of sucked up my time but yeah I suppose I would be doing I'd probably be a tradie to be honest I just love building things like yeah I've done a lot of projects and it's pretty hard on the body but I just enjoy doing it so yeah it's sort of a grind as well I suppose Channel yep all right that's my sorry I was gonna say drumroll please that's my drumroll last question here we go M SG w did I say that right yeah I think you know that it didn't get it around the wrong way yeah what would you do this is an interesting one if you had to build or yeah if you have to build all the systems so if you had to build an older system like an AMD Athlon one what would you do if you had to build so I'm assuming he means if I you know your only option like 2017 was to and I'm not mocking guys that can't afford a new hardware but if you can't afford a new hardware and you build an ambulance system unsubscribe yeah I honestly think I'd quit playing computer games I'd go outside and try actually playing games and a good plan yeah not virtual reality the other one yeah if I mean if you're on a really tight budget it's kind of like the AMD a PUD what was that the even got the night was so terrible he was the a12 9800 yeah yeah which is essentially what we're talking about here I'm assuming he's not talking about an Athlon from ten years ago I hope not because that would be difficult to do anything with a B if you're on a really tight budget buy second-hand oh yeah again Brian from check yes City does awesome secondhand builds flight we're talking a hundred dollar summer less great deals on stuff or like country in Australia yeah obscene whitelist like Ivybridge core i5 systems with a graphics card that will play things like rocket League and quite champions and always games with reasonable settings like to achieve 50 to 100 dollars with monitor keyboard the whole lawyer people just as soon as they you know people who are always buying new stuff just flog off their old stuff for super cheap or at the time it's really worth exploring that sort of yeah so so like upgrade my PC please a lot of the computers where guys were just saying like my friend built a new horizon system and he had this computer it was like I was like core i7 and 920 or something like that like they're just like he gave it to me about 12 gig of ram GTX some of my 9 70s and stuff like that's a good gaming systems a great get for free yeah so this there's stuff out there like yeah just like you say though when people have done with a computer they just want to get rid of it take this away it's taking up yeah space so yeah look at secondhand there our cool deal see I don't even then if you buy like Brian basically goes and buys a heap of completely junk systems for five dollars that don't work and then you might get a power supply from that one the motherboard might be good than that one to get a CPU from there and you piece it all together so that's a cool way of getting a cheap system so yeah we went about answering that rather short question that probably could have been answered in the first second and what we said well that about wraps up all the questions I think we have time for because this video has probably been pretty lengthy as it is but yeah we through a lot of questions there were a lot more we didn't but thank you guys for asking all the questions and Tim and I'll probably do these on a regular basis now I think at least do it probably a monthly thing yeah yeah monthly thing now I hope you enjoy it any other be more to come and we'll see you next time you