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welcome back to harbor unboxed it's November it's actually been November for a while now yeah but anyway it's still November and we haven't done our monthly Q&A yet so we thought we'd squeeze it in at the end of the month as we often do quite a few questions tim has picked most of them so we'll see what he has in store for us let's get into it okay first questions coming from jeremy of our discord chat Steven Tim how long do you think the 1920 by 1080 resolution I will last before it's updated and what will replace it instead we've got 2560 by 1440 or 3840 by 2160 which is 4k yeah so out of those resolutions and how long's 1080p gonna be around for you reckon probably still for quite a while mean they're super affordable monitors with 1080p at the moment so it's hard to see you know them not being the budget option for at least a few more years 1440p is definitely getting a lot cheaper especially high refreshes now exactly quite affordable so we're getting there with 1440p but I think a lot of people trying to make 4k happen the science don't push it really hard for K gaming's the things especially on the consoles but I don't see that happening for certainly a long time so out of those three cameras definitely 1440p will be the next one because it has to be in the budget scope to be you know the next big thing really so yeah I think 1440 what do you reckon yeah that sounds right to me basically we'll need another generation or two of GPUs because you want 1440p to become extremely easy for something like yeah equivalent of what would be like an RX 560 or a gtx 1050 to handle that with ultra quality type settings so i'll be a generation or two before that's possible of course quality settings and games become more demanding at the same time so it's kind of hard to catch up we're not sort of catching up to the point that we're at right now which is why it's such a slow thing to do as just Tim said once you invest in a monitor you're not too can upgrade your monitor most people focus on their graphics cards and CPUs a lot of people at least the people I know tend to buy a monitor and keep it for many many years yeah so it's not until we get a lot of people upgrading the 1440p it's basically how it works so once the masses deem 1440p worth investing in that's when we'll see a shift to that resolution okay Jeremy set us up again with another question from a discord chat how old do you think is left before the silicon finally hits its pinnacle limit what is the smallest possible node we will see and what do you think will replace or supplement the silicon in the future or such replacement or supplement increase the price or cause possible performance drop at all well I think for the last two questions will it increase the price of course performance drops it's probably a bit early to say those things certainly we're talking about a long time in the future it seems the general consensus for this is that there's at least a couple more nodes left to go on silicon so 5 nanometers and 3 or 3 point 5 nanometers tends to be the next two steps and then researchers have done some pretty exotic and crazy things to get it down to like one nanometer but at that point it definitely seems like silicon is kind of hitting hitting the limit of what's possible in terms of node shrinks so it's possible in the future we'll see things like carbon nanotubes you should be I'm sure you've heard of carbon nanotubes talked about a lot in terms of replacing silicon but again that's also the research face so if people at you know universities and all that is still researching these technologies then we're probably not talking about that in consumer products for a long time so yes do a couple more noise to go but it certainly is approaching the sort of end of life for silicon ok this next question is also for my discord chat from Sal Kayne and what kind of things would you guys like to see other than AMD stuff at CES in January I think a lot of the excitement will be am these stuff gonna gain anything from Intel we're not gonna get anything from interview are we that's gone in the big three yeah that's all that I really seem each other rushing machines because they talk about those Samsung phones when you're washing machines and refrigerators - I just bought a new washing machines that takes a lot of the fun out of that though recent new monitors I think I there's some talk about maybe Samsung releasing a new set of Morrie's using their curved video stuff so I mean that's really what one of the big thing CES is full but again I mean we've really that excited about new cases or like coolers I mean it's not that exciting let's be honest so no really well I'm not personally some of the viewers maybe but I'm certainly not so for me it's definitely the 7 nanometre stuff for sure okay Brandon asks us for 1440p gaming with the performance gap ever so close between Intel and AMD does rise and make the absolute best choice across their product line well you've crossed a nice bright line it does unless you have a 20 atti which we're starting to see get CPU bottlenecks at 1440p if you have like a 9900 K yeah that's true so so yeah you might need 9900 K or something like that for that but across aside from having that high end GPU then yeah at the pricing that Rises that at the moment it's very very affordable compared to Intel CPUs which is still not all great in terms of pricing yeah Intel CPUs are hands-down better we fully admit Nate Harbor unboxers we're not biased one way or the other we really don't care Intel CPUs are definitely better no doubt about it but for most of you you're not going to notice that difference and then they're not worth the price premium but if you're after the absolute latest and greatest you've got RT X xx atti money then you might as well buy well your muzzle buy no no no okay I was gonna say 87 okay but your mouse was buying 99 hundred K but if you want to get something like you know an RDX 20 70 or a gtx 1070 1080 vegas 64 something around there then a rise in process a for most games will be okay yeah especially at 1440p especially at 40 if it changes a bit at 1080p would probably recommend until if you go more at 1080p especially with higher-end GPUs but yeah for 1440p it's pretty hard to ignore the value that rises and yeah presenting at the moment and I should be at 1440p you're not using like competitive settings in battlefield 5 oh yeah exactly or you're just playing csgo or something like that so yeah as always it depends I mean value for money they're just you know the Verizon 526 hundred one hundred and sixty dollars u.s. is just mind-blowing yeah if you if you took come on back in a time machine two years and said in two years time you'll get six core 12 thread CPUs for the price of a core i3 you just laugh after the five years we had of quad cores or whatever it was now a discord question here how has the 1800 X I'm guessing the rise in seven 1800 X how is that aged since launch pretty good I suppose well we've been testing and a lot of our day one coverage I think we would have done it for well we definitely do it for the second generalize and stuff haven't monitored it super closely but obviously since Verizon first launched there was quite rapid improvements yeah recently not so much but yeah it's a little bit slower than second gen it works well memory compatibilities improved a bit that's manager your motherboard support BIOS updates and whatnot but yeah it's aged reasonably well since launch it's not radically different no it's still very capable processor yeah yeah I think it's probably aged pretty well we are only like less than two years on though so yeah I think what to CPU last at least that oh yeah I'm not sure if the question so much about is it still working okay I think it's more powers that developed as it got a lot better in boys definitely it's probably better I think with at the time it was the 7700 K that was competing with for games yeah it's fair to say that the 7700 K still buries it and pretty much every single game and I think that was the argument between you sort of Intel fans and your AMD fans yeah AMD guys well like it's got twice as many cause therefore you know in the future it's going to be much better which is probably true then the Intel guys was arguing whatever they're arguing I'm sort of in the middle trying to make a reasonable logic argument for both sides and I think the problem with the 1800 X is all the things that we covered it needs to be better utilized they used to take advantage of you know the architecture and the way that CPU works I think things like scheduling and that and Windows has improved for it but it still has the latency issues that it had and that's an inherent problem and that's why the 77 RK is much better for gaming and I think it's gonna be quite a few more years before we see the 1800 X baiting the 77 or okay in modern titles okay this comment is from a community tab on YouTube so I says how do I recognize the quality of a motherboard I'm talking about the difference in verum cooling overclocking Headroom etc the motherboards within the same price bracket well basically to answer that one you've really gotta do your research there's not too many things just looking at the board how it would be presented in sort of marketing photos and things like that obviously you can tell any features it has what they're claiming the VRMs like that can be a bit misleading as we've seen the cooling obviously the size of the heat sinks a bit of a giveaway there if it's fender is just a slab of aluminium but probably more important really is the quality of the vrm components or the components that make up the vrm and overclocking Headroom that's a pretty difficult one to say because a lot of things going to overclocking am not just the verum itself in the cooling of the variant but then the bios is very important that the features offered how well they work so you've got a lot of researchers basically yeah the the short version of that that's some hardware box content you've got to watch some harbour box content you've got to watch other people like gamers Nexus and well there's tons of YouTube channels that do a good job of covering motherboards there's endless tech sites that do a good job of covering them so there should be plenty of sources and plenty of coverage of whatever motherboard it is that you're looking at okay next question what is the highest or fastest GPU I can pair with a horizon 520 600 processor it depends on the resolution you ok so that's a tricky one as a few things it's resolution the frame rates you're targeting so whether you go for ultra quality or you go for higher framerate with medium and again that depends on your GPU so there's your resolution quality setting on GPU and games yep so there's yeah at least four key things there that you need to sort of address before you can answer this question but as a general let's say 1080p because that's all as low as you're very common yeah it's and then if it 1080p with the GTX 1060 rx 580 you'll be GPU limited for the most part their 1080p probably looking at becoming CPU limited with like you GTX 1080s and I'm talking about very CPU intensive games yeah not your falls of horizon for sort of titles more your battlefield 5 multiplayer let's say or hitman to stop stuff like that yeah yeah I rise in 5 2600 we fire that Vega 64 or GTX 1080 and then even with something's crazy like an RT X xx atti again falls are no worries any GPU limited games 4k gaming 4k gaming not a problem as well so yeah you've really got to be after high refresh rate gaming at like 40 and 40 P in CPU intensive games to really question CPU performance in gaming next question here are the high end 10 series cards are relevant now what I mean is the 2070 and 1080 have similar price and performance and the 2070 has an extra feature even though the performance for it is terrible is there any point in buying the 1080 instead of the 2070 well soon you might be able to buy Tenet's it seems like all that stopped from 1070 TI ish area all the way up let's go or pretty much like the tell my eyes are done and the 10 oh he's a pretty on the way out as well yeah so enter the first part of that question will you have no problem with the RT x range there they're perfectly fine I mean there's been a few hiccups here and there with certain things but with the 2017 versus eternity comparison we would always recommend you buy the 2070 over the 1080 at the same price the same price if it's a hundred two hundred dollars more than definitely not but as you say they're the 2072 now down at five hundred dollars I think the cheapest without sales or whatever it was like 480 or something yeah 1080 so $500 for 2017 which that currently is perfectly reasonable and we would definitely recommend that product because there are some advantages the refined churring architecture you've got ray-tracing but on a 90 X 27 T you don't really have road tracing DL SS is also probably going to be a bust pretty questionable this primary question about this point yeah I mean the problem with the ITX cars was that they launched at a higher price than the Pascal so again back at launched at 1080 or especially with like a 1080 TI versus the 2080 you've made a lot more sense to buy the Pascal card but obviously when those cards are not in the market or they're at the same price yeah you might as well just buy the new a card with graphics cards it's rare that you actually have a flat out bad product I can't think of well I mean without going like GT 10 with that with that for yeah without going to extreme where they've like rebranded or repurpose things to make them terrible you generally don't get bad products it's just bad prices and the RT x-series isn't bad it's very impressive in a number of ways it was just a very bad launch price yeah so yeah I would definitely be buying a 2070 over a 1080 at $500 okay next question it is from discord as well this one I think we will see chip lit based AMD GPUs soon okay that was rumored for narvi a while back but that's been slashed now hasn't it I mean who knows yeah we don't really have insight into sort of what their architecture changes are going to be because they keep that stuff pretty close to their their chest and talk and to watch I mean we're seeing on the CPU side and they're ambe's done a lot of work with triplet designs and multi die designs across a lot of their product so we would surprise me an angry GP in the future used it but how soon it's impossible for us to say someone inevitable but yeah whether it's going to be in a year or many years yeah this is an interesting question from YouTube opinions on the leaked PS 5 information claiming that they would target 4k 60fps in 2020 and run an 8 core my guess 7 nanometers in 2 CPU in it again had to know for sure what these accurate these leaks are because we're still quite a way away from 2020 legally so we've still got like an entire year to go before they'll likely be even announcing the PlayStation 5 so for the last part about you know 1/8 cause them to seven nanometers CPU that would make a lot of sense because that because it's highly likely they'll continue to use AMD semi-custom division to make an APU for that console and an eight-core seven animators then to CPS probably around the mark of what will be reasonably affordable at that point in time sure it's more the GPU that we're concerned so yeah that seems very straight for the GPU targeting 4k 60fps in 2020 in a console seems pretty unlikely I think so we're seeing at the moment with a console like an Xbox one X for example which uses the fastest sort of semi-custom AMD APU that 4k 30 is within the realms of possibility depending on the quality settings depending on the game some games still use you know dynamic resolution scaling some of them still use things like tempo rendering checkerboard rendering to get 4k so we're kind of at that point where again it depends on the game you're sort of teetering around 4k with that with their premium price console so we're talking like $500 u.s. so not the base model so to think would an upper tier ps5 have double the performance compared to a console that launched five years ago in two years from now so seven-year gap could they do double the performance to get 4k 16 some games it seems possible it certainly seems possible but again that would be comparing an upper tier model available now to a base model that would be launched in 2020 so yeah I think well we'd have a better idea next year we definitely have a better idea next year what's possible I mean for example if they're making a consult today and they pull something that's sort of in that affordable GPU price category even something like a 1070 let's say and they put that in the console still not capable of really good 4k 60fps gaming no a lot of trimming the top on that one so yeah I think I I wouldn't be surprised if Sony and Microsoft announced consoles they claim to do 4k 60 but then again it will come down to like with the Xbox one X launch where they announce has been 4k capable it's really only in some situations where that's true yeah I think that's again that's all speculation we're not really you know in touch with Sony or Microsoft about these things but that's probably giving you a good idea of what to expect in two years from now okay Toby asks us why does CPU manufacturers not use liquid metal and same question for GPUs well I should have researched this one a little bit more okay off the top of my head well I imagine cost is one reason yep I'm probably not the biggest reason but would be one it's significantly more expensive then you just cheap them or paste that they usually use or whatever thermal interface material they use so there's what we're ghosts the fact that thermal sorry liquid metal is quite dangerous for electrical components in the sense that it's highly conductive so if any leaks out or there's a bit of over you know it's used excessively and it leaks on of the surface mount stuff or even further then it's going to destroy the card so have to be quite careful with that stuff and then probably well a third I don't know if - the biggest reason can be longevity so I've I've heard plenty of cases where people have deleted their CPUs and within a year the stuffs dried up and it's just the thermals go through the roof so you've got to worry about that as well good thermal pastes have a very long lifespan a decade plus so yeah cost what would you put under hey how'd I know easy it is do and that's practice right practice and his I suppose and then year longevity and it's also it can I'm not having to ensure on this one don't quote me I've seen some tests it's not great on the silicon shroud on top of it it sort of eats away slightly I'm not no I'm just ensuring that I know it does cloud it up I don't know if that's a problem I haven't seen any long-term tests and it can also with certain metals as well react as well so yet no it's definitely enthusiast it's different yeah it's definitely something that needs a bit of maintenance and it's not just slap it on and away you go so that's probably the main reason yeah Nick asks us on our discord chat following on for my question last month when you guys have tested high coil count CPUs like the 29 50 X and 79 80 XC have you come across any games that refuse to work on such a high core cat CPU purely because of the number of threads the CPU has available I'm sure there's probably a game that throws up some sort of warning or something I think when I was testing the 2990 WX or the 2150 X for the first time or even the 1950 X last year I think one or two games came up with like that unsupported or you know can't detect what type of CPU using so you may not be using something that's optimal for this game so I think maybe we got prompted but I don't recall anything not working yeah that mean there was game it's certainly around like garbage because they you know couldn't work out what's going on but I don't think there was any that actually refused to launch I obviously sent with dual-core processors now but core have you CPUs I don't think so you recall it no I don't think so okay another question from discord what is the oldest graphics cards that you currently have and how big is your GPU collection well I'll let you start on that one oh my my graphics card collection is not very impressive so something lighting up your collection though yeah but mine sort of starts in Pascal era so that's kind of you know like a 1070 well 20 got half a dozen to a dozen cards now oh yeah I could GT X 1080 you got like a pastime next Pascal so that'd probably be my oldest but certainly not actually in I've got an older game system that's got like an HD 7000 series cheap okay in this house so that's probably the oldest okay well I can't really answer what's the oldest in mine because I've got a GP graphics cards and PCI graphics cards and that's not PCI Express that's PCI the big old white slots so I don't really know I know the first scraps kind of a bought which was a voodoo banshee 16 megabyte I think I still have that as well but the oldest cards are used for testings probably like your rx note GTX yeah GTX 480 Fermi based stuff you know I don't think I tested everything older than that the the you know the HD 7000 series are definitely basically anything that can't support DirectX 11 we don't use anymore yeah obviously scens yeah as for the number of graphics cards in my current arsenal may be coming up around 100 probably around 100 I've got I'm in about six shelves that are about four meters long and they're just stacked I think I've put a photo up before of it but I've got a lot basically when I do my fifty to sixty they're getting up to sixty now I did 57 for hitman I got a cut back oh no I do actually I well what I do though is big benchmark videos I spend the most time looking for graphics cards because you'd think I would just label the shelves and put them in the same spot but I don't have that much room so I'm sort of I can lay out some nicely than it easy to grab another ones I actually have to stack and get piles because I just don't have that much shelving real estate to house up to 100 graphics cards so yeah I spend a lot of time trying to find my gtx 750ti that thing took me about 20 minutes to find for the amount and got wasted some time on that but anyway plenty of graphics cards okay that is going to do it for part 1 of November's QA hope you guys enjoyed all the questions there's a few good ones there and we will have part two probably on the channel tomorrow tim is going to be editing those two together so hopefully is on it and yeah thanks for watching like they can subscribe subscribe because it's possible on youtube you yep subscribe you can even donate to us on patreon so 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