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welcome back to harbor unboxed now if you missed it gtx 1650 review went up a few days ago and it's done really well for us I guess Nvidia messing the media around by withholding the driver seemed to generate a bit of buzz for this one anyway it resulted in about I think was two thousand comments on that video so we've got plenty to go over and yeah I think that being the case we should probably just jump straight into it and get on with the first question because this will be a rather long replying to comments episode okay I'm gonna start this one off on a bit of a positive note good to do that every now and then we do have a a nice comment here from Konza also I happen to agree with what he says not just because it's a nice comment anyway he says these reviews are just as important as reviews for good cards and I really agree with that perhaps more important and yeah kind of agree with that as well it's good for all of us to know not to buy 1650s at launch price so great work Steve thank you very much so yeah I completely agree with that the 1650s at the hundred fifty all US MSRP good value and really it's all about the price especially with these value these cheap budget entry level entry ish level cards so yeah I think it's really important that you guys know that there are better value options 16:50 is not a horrible performing card it's not a bad card but it is in my opinion pointless at the $150 price point others like gamers Nexus and well a lot of others agree with me on that one it does have its place and we'll discuss that as we go through this video but it's a very niche place so yeah anyway we'll cover that later in the video be a good good question that and I completely agree it's really good to cover all these products because I think by you know just saying all the 16:50 is a garbage product for whatever reason and we're not going to bother with it because it's not worth investing time and I think that does our audience a disservice so it's really important for you guys to have that information there whether you're buying at now or in six months time because six months time the price may not have changed but if it has changed and you can at least see benchmark numbers but we'll probably do updated stuff by that anyway but anyway important to come up moving on okay so it was gonna be too long before we got one of these 75-watt comments there were a shipload of them and here is a random example from Brandon why the bad press timeout this is a 75 watt card 75 watts it certainly got a use case as the most powerful card to not need power beyond from the motherboard the fact that no tech reviews realize this show just how clueless they ah yes gamers Nexus Harbor unboxed and the rest of the tech review community I just all about your dummies okay so as noted in my GTX 1650 or review it is very low powered and it's extremely efficient that's all good and well but it's not really the most important thing for the majority of you at least I don't I don't believe it is and it's just one of many factors and again I don't believe it's the most important factor maybe it's a top three consideration but for me price and performance are without question the more important aspects of any gaming graphics card I'm also not entirely sure why some of our audience are pretending that a significant portion of the audience are limited to PCIe slot power delivery I myself have been combing the internet for a system to use for a benchmark system for comparing a few low powered graphics cards and it really hasn't been that easy to find one most of them are just old Junkers that really couldn't get the most out of a gtx 1050 let alone a 1650 and why the bloody hell are you guys so keen to spend $150 us to put a graphics card in a system that's maybe worth $200 usually less anyway I'll cover that one in a bit more depth shortly I think for now we'll just move on to the next question okay next question is from anyway next question I don't know man $450 it's not bad if it runs games at 1080p 60fps ultra yeah okay well firstly it didn't come close to doing that and a few other titles such as the division - far cry new dawn just calls for a metro Exodus and definitely shadow of the Tomb Raider and most of those games so it's important to note that the RX 570 did and it's also cheaper so that is the main issue mate like a cheaper anyway so we're not saying that the gtx 1650 can't deliver playable or even an enjoyable gaming experience because well it can you as you noted the performance in some of the games is quite good we're just saying that well there's a three year old card that's faster and for what has it been like the last year it's been cheaper so yeah that's kind of the issue there we have the rx 570 that's faster and cheaper so that kind of makes the GTX 1650 a tough sell for the vast majority of our audience pretty much anybody anybody upgrading a relatively new computer or building a new computer should avoid at the 1650 like the plague because the rx 570 is just way better value anyway we'll move on I won't get stuck on any one question okay let's move on to the next question here stop comparing this to the RX 570 because it's pointless to do so hmm hopefully he goes on this car draws 115 what's less on average is newer has been attempts and is perfect for cheaper PS use or some older systems you got two free games with rx 570 question I think so yeah okay great you'll pay them as times goes by since you'll spend more money on the bills well okay there's actually quite a bit to unpack here there's a few points to this comment but anyway we'll start with the first one and we'll work our way through it so well start with the power thing I've already started to address this one but let's go a bit further with it I think that's an irrelevant point for 90 something percent of all gamers firstly the RX 570 draws around twice as much power so it's about 70 ish what's more it's not a hundred fifteen Watts again that is quite a significant difference but it is up to 25 percent faster and quite a few titles so claiming that it's pointless to compare the GTX 16 for fifty-two the cheaper rs5 70 is just well it's just insane in my opinion I don't really know where you're coming from on that one again you're acting like everyone ever on our audience has a ten-year-old PC with a PSU that can't be upgraded or can't support PCI Express graphics cards so yeah yes it's me never stretch that one not sure what else to say on it but I'm surprised there's so many people that are acting like everyone has a really old om system that they have no other option but to use a GTX 16:50 and again I'm not even convinced that a GTX 16:50 will be much faster or any faster than the GTX 1050 in these older systems it's definitely something I want to look into at a later date then there was the bit yeah about the you got two free games so I'm glad you brought that one up because yeah the RX 570 does come with two rather popular triple-a titles or I think your option of get your choice of two out of three tiles something like that I don't usually bang on about that too much because I don't think it applies to all regions it's usually like a limited time thing but it keeps getting stretched out and goes on it is probably worth mentioning more than I do and I've made a few jokes about how the AMD fans always get upset for me for not talking about the free games bundle but it is an impressive bundle and it really does make this what makes the rx 570 a really great value card especially if you want to play those two games because they're probably worth about what you'd pay for the card so you're essentially getting the car for free I don't like to look at it that way I'll push it that way because it won't apply for everyone but anyway there is the two free games then finally we have the power bill argument and yet that kind of makes sense depending on the region that you live in so your cost of power and really how much you game for example here in Australia power is pretty expensive I pay around 40 cents per kilowatt-hour it's something like half that 20 cents off-peak but the off-peak hours are very brief and they're really off-peak anyway if you average one hour of gameplay per day I think I worked it out with the RX 570 which uses 70 watts more than the GTX 1650 and it work out to be $10 more per year to run the radio and GPU so yeah again it depends on how much you pay for power and how often your game if you one hour a day as an average is a lot because while it's seven hours a week I mean some of you probably laughing oh seven hours a week that's nothing for me seven hours a month is a pretty good month for me on gaming but I'm busy with work and a family and whatnot so that wasn't the case in my early 20s Tim probably gets in a lot more gaming than I do even though he seems to do a lot of work as well but anyway getting sidetracked one hour a day amounts to a ten dollar difference if you pay quite a bit for electricity so yeah it's really up to you guys to determine how significant that is in two or three years time you will have broken even in the cost between the RX 5 7 in the GTX 1650 so yeah and yeah given that formula or well how that works in my region so that is one hour per day equaling 10 dollars per year you can probably calculate that my rather expensive cost of power what 2 hours would equate to 3 hours and so on so you know I think once for me personally if I started doing 3 hours of gaming a day on average the power savings of the GTX 16:50 do become quite significant but remember the RX 570 is often up to 20% faster so there's also that's it's just not a simple power thing it's one aspect to take into consideration but as I said earlier for me it's a top-three thing ranking 3rd and yeah the RX 570 it's 3 years old so again I know I've already said this but it's a three year old product so if you're coming to market with a new product to compete with a three year old product you kind of need more than just to be able to justify that it's for niche pcs or it makes your power bill less you need you need something more compelling than that when you bring a new product to market it has to be better in terms of either performance or cost or whatever but it can't just be more efficient so next question I found up being to ranty or all over the place with this reply no comment so I don't really script that much of this I just have a few notes to go off and yeah sometimes I get a little bit carried away with answering the questions or addressing the comments rather anyway I like this observation by dumper Pro hopefully that's correct there he says bit wit got 28 to 32 FPS and shut off the Tomb Raider at 1080p ultra but then again he tested on an i5 3450 but that's a huge difference yeah that is a big difference and in that section of the game the GTX 1650 without a CPU bottleneck should be averaging around 50 fps and that makes it 50% faster than what Kyle showed in his video by the way that was a really cool video by Kyle he sort of took a different approach to checking out the 1650 I really enjoyed the video myself he did test the 1650 in a case with a 6 pin PCI power connector but not gonna blame Carly for that one as I said I've been combing the internet looking for a system that makes sense to test the 1650 and to validate the argument that so many well I mean off their Nvidia fans but people are making and I'm having a lot of trouble doing it yeah really cool video there by Carl I would have loved to see a follow-up video where he test something like the 1050 TI in the RX 570 I'll probably end up doing that video myself but it'd be good to have someone else do it as well but anyway really cool video by Kyle and I will link it in the description below because it's definitely worth checking out so we did learn a few things from Kyle's video or at least a few of my hunches were somewhat proven so if you're installing a gtx 1650 in an older system there's a very good chance in modern titles and you might be running anywhere near the full potential of the GPU now Kyle was consistently seeing GP utilization below 90% often down around 70% sometimes even lower and that was in the tiles that he tested so some new tiles some not new titles but yeah he's using a locked Ivy Bridge core i5 which a lot of people think hey that's a that's a good gaming processor and it's by no means terrible but it simply couldn't process the information fast enough that left the GPU waiting before I could render the next frame and it's also probably not the best showing of an average core i5 because those om systems generally don't have the lowest latency highest frequency memory either so yeah not not a great showing therefore the core i5 so my point is in these older systems the GTX 1650 won't be much of an upgrade over something like a GTX 1050 I'll perhaps even at rx 560 so yeah interesting one that and again I don't really understand the argument or understand why people would be spending $150 us on a graphics card for these old rigs like it just doesn't make sense to me for me if you were going to buy a new graphics card something like a 4 gigabyte rx 560 for $100 that would probably be a better option and work well it would work just as well I think or ideally I think the best way to go about an old secondhand system or just a really dated system that sort of qualifies as being secondhand well a secondhand graphics card for around $50 that would probably work well so yeah I don't know why you'd be putting a new graphics card in a decade old PC again especially one that costs a hundred and fifty dollars u.s. and just finally on this comment another thing that I've seen pop up quite a bit is the ease of install argument I've seen this quite a few times now the gtx 1650 just slots into the system no need for power supply changes or upgrades or whatever or connecting anything you just slot that thing in tighten up the screw and away you go so that's the argument but as Kyle proved in his video that is often far from the truth just to get the 1650 up and running in his system he had to install the latest bias where to download and install the latest bios and really that is often much riskier and harder than upgrading a power supply so yeah it's not always as easy as it seems anyway we'll move on to the next one okay next comment here is from down phoenix so if it's a horrible product what graphics card would you recommend for a low power setup because from the benchmarks i've seen it seems to quite handily be the most power or GPU that doesn't require extra power okay so as I was just saying most of these sorry in these older systems a GTX what was it a 1050 or an rx 560 that will not only be cheaper but they probably should deliver a similar or the same level of performance due to heavy CPU bottlenecking and yeah I'm just sort of assuming that I have done a lot of a testing on this sort of stuff in the past so I have a reasonable idea of what I'm talking about but I will have some hard evidence of this in the near future because I have ordered an older system not crazy old like I think it's another ivy bridge or maybe it's even a house well it's a locked core i5 and it's got eight gigabytes of memory it was like 350 Ozzie dollars anyway I've purchased that it's on the way I'll have a video up as soon as I can and we'll be comparing all these graphics cards in that system and yeah we'll know then what's what again what I can tell you is that there isn't a single use case where the gtx 1650 makes an ounce of sense when building a new PC or even upgrading a decent PC made in the last five years or so okay next comment I think you are under estimating the importance for many and having a quieter PC and a lower power consumption okay so this is another interesting point the thing about operating volume no base model 1650 that I'm aware of so that is the hundred and fifty dollar models none of them are particularly impressive when it comes to operating volume for example there no quieter than your average rx 570 or really any other aib graphics card for that matter and this is because you aren't getting the same cooler that comes on an RX 5 7 or gtx 1660 TI or any of the other more expensive graphics cards getting a cooler that's ready to dissipate 75 watts i've already shown how light the base model 1650s are they have tiny aluminium coolers and budget power delivery components on board I've got there's one there so there's an expensive 1650 but I think it's $180 and there's $150 model anyway I might throw up some b-roll in a murmur just to show you the difference but the cooler on the base models is extremely wimpy it's very small but it does the job because it's only putting out well it only has to deal with 75 watts but they're not sticking on you hundred and fifty watt or bigger coolers that you get on the higher-end graphics cards because it costs more money to do so and cuts into margins and if you do get a 1650 with a nice be quiet cooler well you're paying silly money for and it doesn't make sense so yeah you're not really getting a quiet graphics card you're just getting out yeah well it is quiet but it's not quieter than other graphics cards with appropriate coolers finally I just like to add that the margins for AI bees so that should gigabytes seuss MSI those guys their margins on the GTX 1650s are much higher than that of the RX 5 70s as the 570s require a cooler ready to dissipate 150 watts along with higher-quality verum components to handle all that extra load so for the end user the consumer you guys the only thing you'll really notice are those extra frames quick comment here from Evan lfg what is that nuclear Factory besides you this thing my coffee Ripper build yeah that's whatever ok next comment here is from go Webb's actually I disagree ok the 1650 is worth buying for someone with a low wattage power supply ok yeah over time it will be worth it because it will save on power sort of address that one already hmm the reason why in video and other part makers will stop giving you samples and drivers is wait for it it's what we good you continue bad-mouthing their products I won't use anyone that mouths my product good luck destroying your channel lull well anyway why did I put that comment in there I think we'll just move on ok we got another comment let's hope this one's a little more intelligent this existence of this card isn't pointless they are great for home theater PC use not every purchase of a GPU will utilize them for FPS gaming there are low-power don't need additional cables due to lack of power connect that comes in mini model fast than 1052 I support for HEV C etc I recently got a 1050 TI and it works very well at video processing and format via even upscaling movies to 4k I would have bought that 1650 if I had been following in video news well kind of a funny thing about that one if you have been following the video news you'd know that 1650 won't really be any upgrade over your 1050 Ti for encoding tasks and video didn't include the churring encoder in the 1650 so bit of an odd choice on that one I don't think anyone's really worked out why apart from maybe it's cheaper to use the one they did so they've gone with the older Volta encoder which is basically the same thing we saw in Pascal just with added support for higher bitrate vp9 decoding so yeah again for your use case it is kind of pointless it's a more expensive version of what you already have so was that worth waiting three years for okay so we must be getting to some good comments by now it's par say that as I just read the start of this one alright let's get into this title slash thumbnail just confirms the bias of this channel in my opinion you're in the same pocket as adored TV and all other Hale amv channels well Jim and I have shared the same bucket in the past and it didn't end too well for the bucket seriously though I just love that the title and thumbnail triggered this response honestly yeah I mean you should probably go watch my Hale AMD Radeon 7 and rx 590 reviews it's all I'm gonna say on that one but man I've got like a dozen more comments but I feel like we probably addressed just about everything we can at this point so yeah I just want to get back to benchmarking so I think we'll wrap this video up I have purchased an older system as about to say a new system but it'll be used for me but it's a very old system again it was thrown a few dollars Ozzy it's a Dell Optiplex I think it's a 30 20 it's a desktop system it's got a Core i5 I think for memory it's a 4590 but I know it has no PCIe power so yeah that'll be a good candidate for testing what we need - it does have a custom motherboard as well so you can't just drop in an ATX power supply so yeah it's really the perfect system to prove this theory that I believe something like a gtx 1050 - RI RX 560 will be quite comparable to a 1650 in that system but yeah anyway we'll look into it even if they're not they're not gonna be miles slower and I really don't think it's worth spending $150 on a system because I think it's 250 Aussie dollars for a 1650 and I just paid 350 dollars for the computer so yeah I mean it will allow you to play things like fortnight in that quite well but anyway that'll be on the channel in the next week or two so that'll be worth keeping an eye out for anyway that'll do it for this reply in the comments episode I hope it wasn't too ran T and - all over the place because like I said I don't really structure this that well it's just yeah addressing some of the comments that have either been annoying me a bit or misinforming people or just downright hilarious anyway if you like the video you know what to do if you want to see more content like this and you haven't subscribed welp you also should know what to do and if you 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