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welcome back to harbor unbox today we have another episode of replying to comments the only show where I reply to your comments yeah it's exactly what it sounds like really anyway for this one we will be looking at the comments post on the risin 5 1600 vs. Core i5 7600 K video from last week there were around 2000 comments on that video so we have a lot to go over that being the case let's hear from today's video sponsor then we'll get into the comments meet as rocks new flagship Zedd 390 motherboard the phantom gaming X it's packed with loads of upgrades including a six hundred amp capacity twelve phase V core VRM 2.5 Gigabit LAN with an additional 2 Gigabit LAN connectors Wi-Fi six creative Sound Blaster cinema 5 loads of USB 3.0 ports SATA ports and m2 ultra ports there's also a number of really nice design elements such as integrated i/o shield stainless-steel PCIe covers a massive heat sink for cooling the m dot 2 drives a metal backplate and much much more so for more information please check the link in the video description ok welcome back from that brief ad break we'll get into the first question here from easy 45 I think it is ok if the question or comment rather is sorry guys but as of Windows Update 1903 you're gonna have to redo the entire video just days after it going online feel like you're rubbing in a bit there as it improved Rison scheduling dramatically drastically that's the word okay well the Rison 5 1600 along with the core i5 77 ok were tested on the 1903 build so that's actually been out for some time now which is why these big claims of rise and performance up lists are a bit surprised and they sort of I came out of nowhere because people have been testing this build for quite some time now but anyway the point of updating all my CPU data and time presenter is to do so with the latest available build of Windows all the current security updates latest BIOS updates on the boards we're using all that kind of stuff basically test with everything updated so yeah we will already test with 1903 and as we saw in our video from a few days ago that actually has no impact on performance and I've tested this with the horizon 5 1600 compared to the 1809 build the previous version of Windows no difference there there's a new chipset driver not sure if that has any performance improvements to deliver or not we'll check that out soon but anyway everything was up to date ok next question is from a Kiwi you weight is the IPC on the 1600 really that good can it actually beta 7600 K even clocked nearly 1 gigahertz slower well yeah it is really that good when it's fully utilized it's pretty well and matter or yeah it's a matter of CPU resources the 1600 just has loads more of them so yeah games that require only 4 threads for example they will run better on the 70 turn ok because it is clocked much higher there's also some latency stuff in there that we've explored in the past but yeah the 70 Center K has a huge advantage when only using 4 cores and 4 threads however once those 4 cores and 4 threads are overwhelmed even at 5 gigahertz then the Rison 5 1600 will have a massive advantage because it's got well as you point out there's about a 23% clock speed advantage so when only using 4 cores it should be it could be up to around 20% faster but unfortunately that clock speed advantage isn't enough to outweigh the lack of CPU resources so the Rison 5 1600 has I think it's about an well depending on how you work at SMT it's about a 90% increase in CPU resources for the 1600 if you were to say SMT improves the efficiency of each core by about 25% I think it's fair to say it improves it by at least that much so at least 90% more CPU resources that's obviously a lot of extra resources to work with so once those four core for threaded CPUs get tapped out then the 6 core 12 threaded Rison 5 processor just has way or Headroom so yeah that's why in games where the quad-core was tapped out the Rison processor was so much faster okay next question here is from Jake thank you Steve for this retrospective video excellent work as always you deliver as Ted Verizon can you please do the 1,800 X and 7700 K next well firstly thank you Jake that is much appreciated and always yeah always nice to hear that you guys like the benchmark videos that I do because they take a bit of time anyway yeah thank you there's a good chance that I will revisit the 77 oh okay though I'll probably compare that with the r7 1700s I believe those two CPUs were roughly the same price the 1800 X was quite a bit more expensive and because of that it wasn't really great value we always recommend you as just get the seven seventeen hundred and overclock that to get 1800 X or better performance I should warn you guys that I don't expect the rise in seven processor to make out nearly as well as the Rison v did against the 7600 K the rise and 7 processors do have way more system resources but the issue is games don't require a cause yet so an eight-course 16 thread CPU isn't fully utilized by really any game moreover while the four core for threaded CPUs really aren't enough for today's most demanding games you can skate by just with a fork or eight threaded processor so the 7700 K will most likely be okay and all the games we test with but it's still an interesting in paracin so I'll do my best to make that happen soon okay I think I've added a bit of a doozy here for you guys we've got one here from dot JPEG okay I love the way these always start out this test is not correct you should put the GPU below 100% so you can see which processor would push the GPU more closely to its limits hmm yeah I always love when someone starts by claiming the test is incorrect or flawed this one wasn't too aggressive sometimes they're very very rude but yeah this one this one's fine but yeah I always find it funny when they tell you that you're doing something wrong or it's incorrect and then they actually go on to give their reason that makes absolutely no sense so yeah mister JPEG should probably research how or research the relationship between the CPU and GPU research how that works and yeah you'll you'll probably find that question to be a bit odd now while we're looking at the doozies we might as well just get this one out of the way this one's from Nikolas straight away straight away just starts with stupid comparison so it's hard to work it's hard to work with anyone on something like that when they just come out with a stupid comparison right off the bat but that's what Nikolas did and then again just the follow up why are you trying to prove what are you sorry what are you trying to prove rather comparing a four core versus six core processor so yeah again I probably couldn't have made this episode without including Nicholas's comment because shortly after the video went live he made this comment and I pinned it because it was a yeah I always loved the ones that start off so aggressively with something like a stupid comparison so whenever someone does that I usually just ignore the comments so if you do want to get some feedback for so you're a bit confused by something maybe just oh wait a word this comment would have been a little bit confused to you guys just would like to know why you think it's a good idea to compare a four core CPU - a six core CPU and I would have happily replied to that but anyway yeah so Nikolas went and did that I addressed it then he replied with something else and then you guys piled on I think that comment thread got about 400 replies before Nikolas just decided enough was enough and deleted it I don't really feel bad about pinning it though because well Tim and myself along with pretty much every other content creator put up with that kind of nonsense and sometimes abuse on a daily basis so to give an anonymous user bit of a taste of their own medicine it's a small bit of justice in my mind anyway he wasn't the only one to make that sort of comment though he's was probably the most poorly worded or the rudest way of going about it anyway because others do ask the question I answered it quite politely to them but for those who are wondering why we compared a fork or CPU against a six core CPU it's pretty simple really the r5 1600 was released in 2017 and its main competitor at the time was the more expensive 7600 K so the video was merely looking back at how that battle was being fought out today in 2019 okay next question is from Adriano I hope I got your name right apologies if I didn't does someone know the model of that black / orange case I loved it I got quite a few people actually asking about that case I haven't I used that b-roll well probably ever since I made the original video so yeah that was a case I made well I suppose this a bit of a joke really it's not yeah I don't know I just I just made it because no real reasons it was meant to be a Rison / over watched typed themed build that I called rise and watch pretty amazing name I know yeah basically it was a risin 5 1,600 system by coincidence that I built back in 2017 to see how many frames we could push in overwatch because a lot of people were saying that their eyes and processes weren't good for eSports titles and yeah we thought we'd put that to the test and from memory it ran overwatch extremely well so yeah and just for that video for something different I don't know why I just decided I would custom paint the cooler master master case maker 5 T I think it was so yeah if you want to watch that video I suppose you google rice and watch it's probably the fastest way to find it and yeah you can check that video out coming here from Alexander haha Jared Walton from PC gamer used to argue in the comments in favor of the i-5 7000 series well firstly no relation to Jared despite us both having the same second name and secondly I think if anyone who was arguing that the Core i5 processor was the better buy or the better gaming CPU back in 2017 yeah not exactly the most stupidest thing ever that as I said in even my recent video you could have easily argued in favor of the Core i5 processor because it was the faster processor at the time it was significantly faster in some games especially when taking overclocking into account so yeah it was kind of a bit of a gamble with Rison it seemed like I said because it had so many more CPU resources that at some point it would become the better gaming CPU I was thinking it would probably be at least two years we're starting to see some evidence of that now where there are some games that don't run very well at all in the 7600 K or they just run better on the Rison 5 processor but I wouldn't be too hard on guys that were recommending the 7600 K back in 2017 because it wasn't that obvious or that clear that the rising 5 processor would prove to be the better option down the track because well there was the whole bulldozer thing and all that and yeah those CPUs when fully utilized aren't great in gaming either they're not really that much better than four core Sandy Bridge processors if they are at all these days because they kind of bottleneck themselves it's just a really bad architecture so yeah they're people were probably that left a bad taste in reviewers mouths let's say so they weren't too eager to recommend a new AMD processor that didn't look particularly hot at the time but yeah so that was that so you know I wouldn't go giving people too much of a hard time if they were saying those things back in 2017 it was a little more obvious sort of midway through 2018 and on and obviously now it would be absolutely stupid directly to recommend anyone invest in a quad-core processor over something Verizon ok and a pretty good follow-on to that I think is one here from Constantine and this one targets more buyers than reviewers the comment goes something like this imagine buying a four thread CP on 2017 where you could get a 12 thread part for less money paid more for the motherboard and now you're stuck on a dead platform just for simple frames in old games don't forget also that your CPU is getting slower each passing quarter because of security vulnerabilities ouch just having to look my notes here this comment had over 800 up votes so what do you guys clearly agree with it and I think it's fair to say I agree with pretty well everything you've said in hindsight yet everything you've said pretty well right two years ago like I said it was a bit iffy which way to go it was a little bit of a gamble with the risin fire processor because it was slower and pretty much everything at the time and I will say one thing if you are the kind of person that likes to build a new computer every about two to three years let's say two years and I do have some friends that sort of every two years ago now I want a whole new computer I've worked my backside off for two years now I want a new everything and some people do do that and if you're that kind of person or you don't mind buying a ABI 450 motherboard for example and spending like $100 there then yeah the core i5 7600 cave probably would have been a better short-term solution because it was faster in pretty much every game yeah there's some games like Battlefield where frame consistency might be a bit of an issue but for the most part you know if you play games like Starcraft to see us go ARMA 3 and the list just goes on and on then the 7600 K would have been the better short-term option however if you like to invest in a computer and you want to upgrade it with as little further investment as possible then you would have been much better off with the risin 5 1600 because well it's still playing games perfectly fine today it's not on a dead platform so you have the option to easily slot in as into processor and our way you go for well the forseeable so yeah this would be too hard on people that went the other way but it's quite clear now that yeah the Rison 5 1600 was the better long-term solution the next one here is from CyanogenMod 'red I won't try that again I love these retrospective videos keep them going Steve yeah well I got good news for ya I really like making them so yeah I'll keep doing them I always find it funny when I do make these kind of throwback Thursday videos which I usually put them on Thursdays whether it's looking at an old GPU or whatever and someone says oh it must be a slow week if you're having a look back at old hardware but yeah I actually find it to be the most fun really the most interesting benchmark sessions because I know what we said years ago and then how does that apply to today so you ain't glad you guys enjoy them because yeah I love making him back next one's from in death site 99 and okay so this is sort of talking about what I said or didn't say so I I talked about this why should I read the comment first it's probably the best way to do this talks about how much a 77 or okay used is doesn't talk about resale price of 7600 K so yeah you can sell your 7600 K processor to recoup some of the funds and then that'll help cover the cost of investing in a 70 seminar okay so I suppose I should rewind a little bit basically I said because the LJ what is at 11:51 socket is now dead very much dead 4 KB Lake because that was the follow-on from sky like your only option if you have a 7600 cane you don't want to replace your motherboard your only option there is to buy a 7700 K and used they are astronomically expensive it's actually cheaper to buy an 8 quart Rison processor even like there's n2 ones coming up it's crazy so I made note of that this guy is sort of saying well yeah but you can sell your 7600 ok so why didn't you talk about that um well it's just an inconvenience I suppose you can sell your 7600 K it depends on well some regions are a bit more difficult to sell things or they don't fetch quite as much money but anyway whatever the case is yeah you can sell you 7600 K but I'd say you're still gonna be at least $100 u.s. out of pocket for getting the 77 okay and that still sucks really it still doesn't really make the 77 or ik a particularly great up upgrade from a 7600 K when you're starting to pay $100 so yeah it's still a pretty crappy position to be in so yeah I mean doesn't change too much for me on that one like I said if you had a bought into the a m4 platform then you'd have a heap of options and it'd just be a better situation of being so that's that ok next comment here looks like that is mash to the keyboard when putting in their user name no mention of the newest vulnerabilities affecting SMT strange you'd be surprised how many people made this comment despite the fact that the 72 okay obviously doesn't have SMT support and that's why it's a four core four threaded CPU I was like the whole point of the video so that's probably the only thing that's strange here some viewers were quite aggressive about this type of comment calling me a fanboy for not disabling it because of the new well the zombie load vulnerability se bit strange that one few people did retract their aggressive comments when I pointed out that all standard power desktop core i5 processors don't have hyper threading so anyway alright next one here from MH did you use the built-in Mumbai or Miami benchmark when testing hitman two I find the biggest improvement after DirectX 12 update is in game GPU and CPU usage is still all over the place in those benchmarks so yeah I didn't use the built-in benchmark for hitman two I I only used one can benchmark and that is for World War Z so yeah that's the built-in benchmark for that title because it does do quite an excellent job I feel of simulating gameplay so we don't mind using it for that particular title for all the other titles though I conduct a custom in-game benchmark pass and the area that I test is actually up in the corner of the graph so that's pretty much usually showing you the the general area of where the test takes place okay next question is from my simple gaming can you compare the horizon 1200 and i-5 7600 K both are quad-core CPUs I expect a very interesting result well I have to say I don't expect a terribly interesting result on that one because as we note at the very start of this replying to comments episode the 7600 K is massive clock speed advantage well that'll pretty much allow it to smoke the horizon 3 processor so yeah it would be pretty bad comparison to be honest with you and it's not really one worth making because the Core i5 processor did cost way more so you got to keep in mind the r3 1,200 that was positioned as the most entry level rise in part for the first generation of rising CPUs and the 72nd RK was one of the more high-end cable eight parts so yeah I mean they have similar CPU resources but the core i5 processor is a lower latency architecture that's better for gaming and it clocks way higher so yeah wouldn't wouldn't be a great fight that one for AMD and it's as I said not too much point doing it because you're comparing a relatively high end processor of its time to an entry level processor so yeah we'll move on just as I make some excuses for why I wouldn't compare the particular Intel AMD CPU we get this fun from old Peter chestnut love how many excuses are made for the rise in chip in these tests where it lost then praise it or rather it gets praised when it comes out ahead no bias at all did you get these kinds of comments quite a lot whenever I say something in the negative are positive about our favorite AMD and Teller and video products so yeah I mean I always feel like people who make these comments they're kind of really bias one way and they really notice when you make comments that they don't particularly like about a certain product or whatever then they have to sort of project that in the comments section so I'm not really sure what excuses I made for Rison in that video in titles such as Rage 2 one of the games I test I think it was far cry new dawn but anyway the games that lost in and basically I pointed out that those are games that work perfectly fine on a quad core processor or World War Z was another one so I think they were the three main games those ones so all I said was basically the horizon 516 hundred isn't faster in those games because those games only require called core AK what a quad core processor that's what they're called a full core processor that's even easier that's all they require so because it has a 23 percent a clock speed advantage naturally it's going to be faster so I just pointed that out that wasn't making any excuses and then about praising it for winning I mean I was impressed by how much better the our 516 her was in the demanding titles I'm not sure where else to tell you on that one I feel like the commentary was based on facts and it was extremely fair and the whole point of the video was to see if the extra CPU resources of the horizon processor were being utilized in today's modern games so naturally the commentary was going to be sort of focused around that actually following on for that I've done a good job of putting these comments in some sort of order I swear that wasn't intentional I didn't put much time and effort into it I usually just picked these randomly but anyway the next one is great video thank you very much please make a similar one in another two years I'll probably make one next year I'm 100 100 percent sure the Rison 560 hundred will still be completely comfortable with 2021 releases and I'm not sure about the 7600 K this exactly confirms what I was saying back in 2017 yeah like I said I'll probably do this revisit once every year because I really enjoy doing it and we've got 12 months of content to make we make a video nearly every day actually pretty well every day so I think I can probably squeeze that into the schedule next year but I am very confident that you are right and that was the point of the recent video obviously games are becoming more demanding they're requiring more CPU resources and the Rison v 1600 has more CPU resources at its disposal I also think you are right in saying that in 2021 the r5 1600 will still be hanging in there while the 7600 K will be as good as dead so it'll be kind of amusing to see it trying to try to hang in there but it won't be so yeah anyway that's yeah I agree with that question or comment okay last question here I meant well I'm gonna make it the last question because we have a huge storm on the way it's already started rang so hopefully doesn't get too loud so let's just get into it sermo I do remember arguing with tech reviewers who argued Intel was going to be more future proof by doing low res tests well I guess I was right and they were wrong yeah this is going to cause some controversy in the comment section below no doubt yeah I mean yes and no on that one so low resolution testing where you remove the GPU as the performance limiting component is exactly how you should test a CPU so low res game tests are still valid and should be conducted and I've said it many times I don't have a problem with higher resolution testing that's also quite interesting so the more GPU limited testing but you absolutely need to show CP limited results as well factors game engines that were tested in 2017 are still largely used today and the 76 Enrique is still faster in the majority of those games but as I noted two years ago something like the r5 1600 does have significantly more resources and today we're now starting to see the benefits of that as those resources are put to you so you can't weigh everything on low resolution testing and I did say that all those years ago it's certainly a good indicator of how the CPUs perform now and will perform in the vast majority of games for at least the next year possibly the next few years and I think it's fair to say that we have still seen that like I'm not claiming that the the r5 1600 faster than the 7600 K in the majority game some people seem to think that that was what I was suggesting in that last video that certainly wasn't the point of that video it was to show you guys that yeah we are getting into some some new territory where games like Assassin's Creed Odyssey battlefield 5 shadow of the term Raider games like that yeah the r5 1600 is starting to pull ahead but for all the other games the 76 of RK is still the superior CPU so I think my point is if you're advocating for one type of testing over the other and not really short the other type of testing is I mean its its CPU limiter its GPU limited testing and doing just GPU limited testing is kind of dumb so you've got to do CPU limited testing but don't weigh everything on because if there's a CPU that has 90% more resources then yeah bit of better forward thinking on that one probably wouldn't go astray so yeah not much more to say on that one will continue to do lowish resolution testing I mean 1080p with an RC X 20 ATT is really as low as you need to go beyond that you just sort of blowing the margin out further to really unrealistic proportions so no that's gonna do it for that one and the rain is just sort of quieting down before the storm comes so I think that's a good place to end this replying to episodes what is it replying to comments episode what's it called I don't know that's it's getting too late so yeah if you enjoyed this video be sure to the like button you can subscribe for more content I have more benchmark videos coming up it sounds like I'm gonna have to go do a 7700 K versus r7 1700 benchmark so I'll probably do that over the next few days so stay tuned for that I suppose and Tim I'll have more Tim type content ok thank you for watching I'm your host Steve actually before I say that you can make sure you like this video do that because apparently liking videos is helpful these days so I don't know just if you can hit the like button that'd be cool and you can also support us on patreon if you want to chat to us in 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