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welcome back to harbor unboxed today's showdown between the core i5 8,400 and rise in v 2600 has been in the making for a few weeks now and I'm glad all the testings finally done I'm not gonna mess around too much here and I will get to the results as soon as possible before I do though a quick message about our sponsor Squarespace who's been kind enough to support our work whether you need a domain website or online store make up with Squarespace for more information please check the link in the video description again really appreciate their support these big benchmark videos are a massive undertaking so please check them out okay so before we get into the benchmark results and I promise there is a boatload of them here are a few quick notes on the test setup the core i5 8400 rig features the MSI B 360 gaming plus a high quality B 360 board that has no trouble getting the most out of the six core CPU of course we are limited to ddr4 2666 on this board but we've gone with G skills higher quality and very low latency flair Excel 14 memory and then finally cooling 8400 is the Intel Box cooler then for the horizon 5 2600 the seuss ROG cross s7 hero was used for testing and we have two configurations here a stock out of the box configuration using the g.skill flex sale 14 memory clocked at 29 33 while the CPU is cooled using the wraith stealth box cooler then we have a 4.2 gigahertz all core overclock using aggressively tuned g.skill sniper exterior for 3400 memory with Titan sub timings and the cooler has been upgraded to the Corsair H 115 I Pro so for testing we have 36 games on the menu and each has been tested at 720p 1080p and 1440p using the GeForce GTX 1080 Ti I would have liked to have included Vegas 64 liquid as well but for this single video I have run 324 individual tests three times each so that's almost 1,000 benchmark runs and I wasn't really super keen on making that 2000 runs perhaps once I've built up the courage again I'll revisit this video but with Vega for we have the GTX TCI results so grab a drink some snacks and get comfortable first that we have Ark survival evolved and this isn't a title I often test with but dude a popular request it has been included with these slew of games tested in this video it is often listed in the top 10 most played games on Steam so I imagine there are quite a few of you keen to see the results I was expecting this one to go poorly for Aizen I have to admit but the results are quite surprising we are mostly GPU bound though at 720p we do see your eyes and edging ahead so that is quite interesting still due to the GPU limitations at the overclocked Rison 5 2600 was no faster than the stock configuration another game that's quite popular on Steam and always heavily requested is ARMA 3 in the past this game has run horribly on AMD processors including Rison but I have been told the games been updated recently to better utilize the rise in CPUs or at least CPUs with more than a single core and that certainly appears to be the case out of the box the horizon 520 600 had no trouble matching the core i5 8400 and this titles clearly CPU limited as they overclocked 2600 offered impressive gains even at 1440p we saw a massive 20% increase in performance at overclocking horizons cores and memory this meant the 2600 was now 19% fast and the core i5 8400 when comparing the average frame rate I'm quite shocked with these results given how poorly Rison performed last time I tested with ARMA 3 alright come on you new ashes of the benchmark was going to be included and it's about the only game that supports DirectX 12 that I've tested using DirectX 12 with the GeForce graphics card I should just quickly note though that I did retest ashes of the singularity using Vegas 64 liquid I'm not going to provide those results but I just want to make note that the margins actually didn't change so that's quite interesting and again that is of course using the DirectX 12 API anyway here we see at the core i5 8400 Verizon 5 2600 are very evenly matched out-of-the-box testing at 1080p and 1440p does says primarily GPU bound with the crazy preset enabled so overclocking Rison really isn't of any benefit here at 1440p just a 5% increase is seen 7% at ADP and a reasonably impressive 11% at 720p okay so some interesting results seen in Assassin's Creed origins let's talk about what's going on here you'll notice that these stock Verizon v 2600 allows for the exact same performance at 1080p that it does at 720p that's because we are CPU limited overclocking does solve this though and at 1080p we say the 2600 is able to match the 8400 however both CPUs are now GPU limited we know this because at 720p the overclocked 2600 is able to pull ahead of 8400 but a noteworthy margin for the average framerate then finally at 1440p we're almost entirely GPU bound here though the stock rise at 5 2600 configuration does still struggle to max out the gtx 1080 TI testing with battlefield 1 shows just how good the core i5 8400 is out of the box with no messing around it delivers very strong performance in this demanding title the horizon 5 2600 is also very respectable and while it was only 6 percent slower for the frame time result at 1080p the average frame rate was 12% lower that margin is somewhat nullified at 1440p as we become heavily GPU bound though it is interesting to note that overclocked even at this resolution the 2600 provides a much better 1% low result then at the lower resolutions we see that overclocked in the 2600 improves the average frame rate by almost 20% and while that is an impressive gain it does only make the jr. Eisen process a few percent faster than the core i5 8400 but again it's the 1440p results that are most impressive and here the 2600 was 18% fast and the 8400 for the frame time result here we see the stock risin 5 2600 gets trampled in Star Wars Battlefront - and creates a serious bottleneck for the gtx 980ti limiting performance even at 1440p incredibly at 720p and 1080p we see massive performance gains when overclocking gains of around 40% with this overclock the all core clock frequency has been increased by 16% but we've also boosted the memory frequency by 16% however more crucially are the greatly improved memory sub timings combine all these factors together in a core heavy game and we asked truly massive performance gains that said though it is well worth noting that it took an aggressive all core overclocked ultra expensive memory that was custom tuned and an upgraded cooler for the horizon 520 600 to basically match the core i5 8400 in this title so while the gains and overall performance was excellent the cost to achieve this was great Counter Strike global Offensive is the complete opposite the Star Wars Battlefront 2 in the sense that it doesn't utilize core heavy CPUs well at all even so the performance margin between the Rison 5 2600 and core i5 8400 wasn't that big I was really expecting the 8400 to run away with it in this title overclock though the 2600 took charge and was able to edge out the 8400 at both 1080p and 1440p again the margins weren't big so overall performance was much the same using either CPU for testing Deus Ex mankind divided I'm not using the in-game benchmark but I am using the DirectX 11 API as this is a better choice when using a GeForce GPU particularly for this title here we see better performance from the core i5 8400 at 720p and turn DP when compared to these stock Rison 5 2600 configuration overclocking Rison does allow it to match and even beat the 8400 we see that with the GPU bottleneck removed at 720p the rise in CPU is indeed faster once overclocked by the time we hit the 1440p resolution the playing field is neutralized and performance is much the same across all three test configurations moving on a dirt 4 and here we see out of the box at the core i5 and rise and 5 processors are very competitive at 1080p Daddy 400 did run away with it a bit at 720p though the frame time performance was much the same overclocking rise indeed helped push it ahead of the 8400 and interestingly even at 1440p it maintained a reasonable margin the results weren't testing with f1 2017 was similar though stock the horizon 5 processor was less competitive here amazingly the 1% low result was boosted by 22% even at 1440p which is incredible and here the 2600 was still 10% faster than the 8400 so a mediocre stock result for the 2600 was saved by an impressive overclock result the core i5 8,400 breeze through the Far Cry 5 benchmark I took the overclocked Verizon 520 600 to match it stock horizon wasn't exactly slow but even at 1440p we do see the core i5 8400 providing up to 21% more performance which is obviously very significant Rosen has always had massive performance issues with the Far Cry primal on well we see that nothing's changed overclocking and tweaking the memory timings did little to improve things as a result the core i5 8400 enjoys an easy win even once overclocked to 2600 was still 8% slowly 8400 1440p when comparing frame time performance firaon is a mostly GPU bound title especially with the hardware configuration that we're using to test these CPUs and as such performance at 1440p anton a DP is much the same for all three configurations testing at 720p shows the core i5 8400 to be just 6% faster than the stock rise in 5 2600 for the frame time result but 13% faster for the average frame rate overclocked to 2600 enjoys a 21 percent performance increase at 720p in this minute was 7 percent faster than the 8400 for the average frame rate and 14 percent faster for the frame time result the rosen 5 and core i5 processors delivered the exact same experiences for tonight so it's not really much to say here solid results all around but it is worth noting that it's probably not worth overclocking a high-end CPU if you only play this title frost Punk is a brand new game and quite a few of you have been asking me to benchmark it so I decided to include it in this video to benchmark the game I've built a large city and I'm measuring the performance with the game speed set to normal as i zoom in and out and move around the city again we find that stop there isin five 2600 limits performance of the GTX 280 I even at 1440p though this is rectified once overclocked still overall the core i5 8400 did deliver better performance making it a clear winner here moving on to Grand Theft Auto 5 and he we're mostly CPU bound and this is evident when looking at the core i5 8400 which limited performance to the same frame rate at all three resolutions then we see when looking at the Tony P results at the horizon 4 five processor is 10% slower than the 8400 however overclocking boosted the average frame rate by 22% and now the 2600 is 10% faster than the 8400 so overclocking the cause and tightening up the memory timings helped the rising tremendously in this title hitman is yet another heavily CPU bound title and we see similar performance trends to that of Grand Theft Auto 5 again the horizon 520 600 lag behind the 8400 out of the box but then once overclocked did he hit the lead and produced double-digit gains for the frame time performance it feels like a very long time since I last benchmarked with Just Cause 3 so it was kind of nice to fire it up once again much like what I found with battlefield 1 for example the Rison 5 process are offered comparable frame time performance out of the box but was considerably slower for the average frame rate the core i5 8400 was very solid in this title despite losing to the overclocked horizon 5 2600 at 1080p and 1440p Kingdom Come deliverance is a much newer title that I hadn't really done any benchmarking with either so I've decided to feature it in this video again we see that while the stock rising 5 2600 offered competitive frame time performance it lagged behind for the average frame rate that said overclocking once again rectified that situation and now the 2600 was able to match and even beat the 8400 although Mass Effect Andromeda does utilize the rise in cpus quite well the core i5 8400 is still able to give AMD a hard time it's not until we overclocked the 2600 that we see competitive performance at 720p and 1080p of course at 1440p we are heavily GPU bound so CPU performance at least with these CPUs is removed from the equation the core i5 8400 enables its beast mode once again this time when testing with overwatch interestingly while the overclocked horizon 5 2600 was faster at 720p it did slip behind slightly at 1440p still overall once overclocked the 2600 and 84 did deliver similar performance next up we have prey and this one always provides interesting results whether we're comparing am digging nvidia gpus or AMD and intel cpus here we see that while the core i5 81 400 is it much slower than the stop 2600 for the average framerate it's up to 25% slower when comparing the frame time performance once overclocked the 2,600 streaks head at 720p and 1080p and here it's almost 50% faster for the 1% low result okay so when benchmarking with project cars 2 we see that stock out of the box the horizon 520 600 is limiting performance of the GTX 1080i at all 3 resolutions however once overclocked the gtx 1080i is limiting the performance of the 2600 and the same is also true for the 8400 although the stock 2600 is limiting performance at 1440p it's very minor and overall performance is much the same for all three configurations at this resolution like Far Cry primal pub G is another title that's always run noticeably worse on AMD Hardware the margins aren't a horrible but they're not really that great either last on my benchmark was title just after it left early access the horizon 5 1600 X was 17 percent slower than the core i5 8400 this time the 2600 was 14% slower than 8400 seems little has changed here overclocked the 2600 didn't really make up much ground either and even at 1440p until retain the lead of course the game is still very playable on the horizon 520 600 you can just expect better results with the core i5 8400 quake champions is another example where the core i5 8400 provides strong performance right out of the gate of course you can't overclock this part but the evidence would suggest that for the most part you don't actually need to the stock 2600 struggles at 720p and 1080p in relation to the core i5 I'm not saying the frame rates aren't high and I'm certainly not saying it wasn't playable but I am saying in relation to the 8400 it was slower up to 18% slower in fact in order to match the Intel process so the horizon 5 2600 needs to be overclocked and this allows it to extract a maximum performance from the gtx 980ti of course once we get to 1440p all three configurations are able to max out the gtx 1080i and it's here that overclocking becomes well somewhat pointless next up we have shadow of war and this title is primarily GPU bound this was certainly the case at 1080p and 1440p the core i5 8400 does edged ahead of the 2600 at 720p but once we overclocked the 2600 it clearly takes the lead Sniper Elite 4 was tested using the DirectX 12 API and here the core i5 8400 was much faster on the stoppe 2600 at 720p and 1080p interestingly once we hit 1440p the stock 2600 pulls ahead I'd say this is down the fact that we're using a GeForce graphics card and we're testing with the DirectX 12 API anyway regardless of resolution once we overclocked arisin 5 2600 it is clearly the fastest sepium provided much greater frame time performance at 1080p and 1440p Starcraft 2 is another title that's always heavily requested and it's actually a game I personally really enjoy however I often refrain from using it because although the game itself is of excellent quality and very popular the game engine is very dated now and it makes extremely poor use of modern hardware for whatever reason it's never been updated to use more than a single thread and for this reason Rison has traditionally struggled in this title however out of the box the Rison 5 2600 wasn't really that bad and once overclocked it actually beat the core i5 8400 this three resolution tests with the geforce gtx 1080i though shows just how incredibly cpu-bound the game is and again this is because it uses just a single core unlike Starcraft 2 the division isn't limited to a single CPU core but we are still Hardware limited this time though GPU limited this is a very GPU bound title and here we see that all three test configurations delivered very similar results even at 720p please note I did go back and double-check the witcher 3 results because the frame time performance for the core i5 8400 looks weaker than expected the results that are accurate and it seems a big part of the issue here for the core i5 processor is the memory speed switching to a 370 but with ddr4 3,200 memory boosted frame time performance by 15% to 93 FPS and while this still placed 8400 behind the horizon processor the margin isn't nearly as extreme I have to say overall the experience was noticeably smoother with rising in this title and for those wondering we always benchmark the three in the town of novigrad even at 1440p the risin five 2,600 enjoys a noticeable advantage in this title so overall a great result for AMD here titan folds who is a mostly GPU limited title and low resolution testing can't be used to get around this as it has a hard frame cap the 144 FPS limit neutralizes performance for the most part at 720p and 1080p and then once we get to 1440p we're heavily GPU bound so there isn't much to report here the stock horizon 520 600 actually outclassed the core i5 8400 and vermintide 2 and maintain its performance advantage even at 1440p at this resolution overclocking really proved to be of no benefit but it did provide up to 13% more performance at 720p as we near the end of this mammoth benchmarking session we have total war Warhammer 2 and here we see the stock rise in 5 2600 trading blows with the core i5 8400 at 720p and Thierry P by the time we hit 1440p the game is now heavily GPU bound so cpu performance really has no impact here it has to be said the results are also somewhat GPU bound at 1080p and therefore we have another title where these six core CPUs are really more than sufficient watchdogs to is a heavily CPU bound game and here we see the stock r5 2600 and i-5 8400 delivering basically the same performance out of the box ignoring the overclocked 2600 for a moment it's pretty clear that this game is CPU bound as both processors provided basically the same results across all three resolutions overclock the 2600 is still the performance limiting component at 720p and 1080p but is up to 22% faster than the 8400 even at 1440p the overclocked Rison 5 processor offered noteworthy gains the average frame rate was 21% higher for example the second last game tested is Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon wildlands and this is another primarily GPU bound title though we can somewhat get around this at 720p still for the more realistic 1080p and 1440p resolutions the performance of all three configurations is much the same finally we have the World of Tanks results and here we see the stock horizon 5 2600 trail the core i5 8400 by a 9% margin that said once we hit 1440p the game is severely GPU limited and as a result all three configurations provided these same results once overclocked to the r5 2600 match the core i5 at 1080p and beat it by a 10% margin at 720p alright so those were some results many bloopers and I guess now you want to know what it all means hmm well where do we even begin I suppose a look at the average performance across the 36 games tested so let's do that first starting with the 720p results where we had the least chance of being GPU limited we see at the core i5 8400 was an average 13% faster than these stock rather than 5 2600 that's not a huge margin but it's certainly noteworthy the frame time performance was closer but even here the 8400 was still 10% faster overclocking did hand rise in the advantage and now the 2600 was 7% faster for the 1% low result and just 5% faster for the average frame rate moving at iupi we see the margins reduced here and overclocking only provided a 13% performance increase and this about the 2600 was 7% fast and 8400 for the 1% low result and just 3% for the average frame rate as expected the margins continued to shrink as the resolution increased and now 1440p there's very little difference between the three configurations for those of you wondering where the Rison 5 2600 fell behind 1080p for the 1% low results this slide should help you out here you can see that the core i5 8400 was faster out of the box in 26 of the 36 games tested while the two CPUs tied in just three titles the outliers here include prey and The Witcher 3 where the rise in CPU was much faster and then Star Wars Battlefront 2 where it was much slower then once overclocked this is how the horizon 5 2600 stacked up here we see that now it was faster in 28 of the 36 games tested and was overall 7% faster not a huge difference but the ability to overclock does make the 2600 the more powerful CPU for those wondering if we remove prey and The Witcher 3 which are massive outliers the risin 5 2600 is now 5% fast okay so the core i5 8400 was faster in most of the games out of the box but it did start to lose once we overclocked the horizon 526 hundred so which one is better you asked next question please seriously though this is a really hard one to settle but here goes nothing for those of you gaming exclusively it's hard to deny that the core i5 8400 isn't the better option certainly more cost-effective and requires far less messing around to achieve the performance shown in this video however the reason I often pick the Rison 5 2600 over the core i5 8400 is because it's just a better all-rounder at least it is in my opinion it offers noticeably better performance in core heavier workloads and for the most part when gaming performance really is indistinguishable between these two CPUs and that is for the simple fact that you're almost always GPU bound and we certainly see this when looking at the 1440p results using the mighty GeForce GTX 1080 Ti the overclocked arisin 5 2600 outscores the core i5 by a 60% margin in center bench is 34% faster in blender and decompresses archives using 7-zip up to 70% faster but when it comes to games the core i5 8400 simply gets it done with less fuss to replicate the performance in this video you merely need a basic B 360 board some low latency ddr4 2666 memory and well a gtx 1080i but you get the point it's also possible to squeeze another 5 to 10 percent out of the 8400 using a z3 17 motherboard with something like ddr4 3,200 memory though those gains are only realized with an extreme graphics card the stock out of the box Rison 5 2600 performance can be achieved for roughly the same price as the budget Core i5 8400 build and given that the Intel CPU was overall faster this makes it the better value choice for gamers at the very least the overclocked configuration will require an upgraded cooler but for the results shown here you'll also need a high quality motherboard and some premium Samsung B die memory i priced all this up in a recent video but what it means is where you'll be paying about 420 dollars u.s. for the core i5 8400 platform the overclocked Rison 5 build is like $500 with a basic air cooler so if you're strictly gaming the almost 20% price premium of the overclock risin five twenty six hundred bills can't easily be justified given that you stand to gain just seven percent more performance on average alternatively you could spend five hundred dollars us on a coffee like build and get the eighty six hundred K with a basic air call or enable MCA and you've got an unstoppable gaming rigor of course if you do other things besides gaming then that price premium could easily be justified so it really comes down to the individual and what your plan on using the system for personally my preference would actually be for the horizon five twenty six hundred as I don't just game on my PC I also create videos like this one and the rise in CPU would save me quite a bit of time encoding each day anyway as I said it really just comes down to what you want to do with your PC but the most important thing is now you should be armed with all the facts you need to make an informed purchase so good luck now that you've got your CPU purchase dialed in what about your website for only one solution that allows you to quickly and 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