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welcome back to harbor unbox for part one of what will be a September Q&A as you can see we have a new desk here so Tim and I have been busy making this desk just now and time to film the curate and we also got what Tim calls our new executive seat so we've got some real seats Tim's given back his grandma the seats that we have there are some nice new seats a new table look at that no lens distortion as people thought was the case with the old desk that was bowed in the middle it wasn't it was just really cheap it was just very sad so he has a proper desk now it's going to be painted a proper coat on top that'll be nice and scratch resistant and then Tim can film all these b-roll and when I come over to do our patron live streams which we just did a patreon livestream for an hour built the desk and now it's time for the Q&A anyway enough waffling about the Q&A we have some great questions to get into so let's do it okay I believe this was the most uploaded question so yeah that's right you know we also going to be in the title because it'll be a hotly well it was uploaded so that's probably all I need to say question is what do you think about the upcoming rx 680 rumors so I'll let you yeah well I mean let's be honest we haven't heard anything have we well we certainly haven't heard anything official yeah and if we'd signed any NDA's or whatever we probably couldn't comment be we haven't heard anything so I don't know what that tells you it's supposed to be coming out notably soonest with the rumors mid-october and I would have thought if it was we would have heard something but maybe we'll hear something tomorrow yeah who knows sorry I yeah that one we ever know too much I am probably expecting a refresh for the RX range so the RX r RX 580 so maybe a similar lot in videos done at 12 nanometer refresh just to keep them competitive at the mid-range because you will get the GTX 2060 not sure how much since that will make we were discussing that before and our patreon live stream but they want to remain competitive there so I think we will see probably a 12 nanometer refresh 12 nanometer refresh and then the seven enemy of stuff yeah and I would expect the 7 nanometre stuff is gonna be at least focused on the high end so yeah whether or not they also refresh the mid-range will later but they've been a bit disconnected yeah with their two different architectures for high and mid so yeah it meets an interesting room it sort of came out of nowhere really it's definitely just a rumor at this point but yeah like I said I wouldn't be too surprised but we don't have any extra information all right soya asks what does the ti or Thai some people say either way what does the TI in 1080 TI slash 20 80 TI stand for well I believe it stands for titanium yeah do they Nvidia originally say that right in the original okay ti I'm certain its titanium that's what I've always thought going way back it's one of those things you don't remember the origins of when it was first seen but I'm certain it's titanium which is why some mostly American guys seem to say Thai and it's probably correct but it sounds rubbish yeah sounds better so that's why we go with ti rather than Thai I think Wendell Everett level one text says Thai so that's probably a good reason to say toy anyway we don't I got next question how and when did Steve and Tim mate most underrated channel on YouTube kept up the good work love the content well thank you very much hmm I don't really know how far back so we both wrote or we both produced content for techspot and I've been doing that for over a decade now you've probably been doing it for a while as well about five six years now yeah yeah yeah I'd be going probably double that it's quite coincidental really because everyone from tech spot is all over the place about a dozen staff members and I think there's more than about two guys two or three guys that are in the same region and as far as I was aware I was the only Australian and then we had a guy producing mobile phones laptops and well this contents really good this is in-depth I'm enjoying reading this stuff and I said to the owner of textbook you know who's this new guy I think it was about a year after you've been writing mind you yeah yeah yeah about a year or two after here maybe Ryan was quite a long time I said I know who's this guy oh it's Tim don't you know Tim I'm like well I can see that it's Tim it says he's name but why would I know Tim you saw he's an Australian as well was he's know each other so he was yeah to think he's like you know that little slice that's down there right knows everyone ah so I can't even be out reached out to you where there was an email must have an email might have been a private text box yeah it could have actually been yeah it could have been that and I just hey you're in Australia we're in Australia it was like Victoria I said ha so I was really puzzled to find out that you have no idea about that yeah Tim was familiar with my work as well and had no idea that I was in Australian just assumed I was probably based in the US so it was like a year after that I was having a LAN party I used to do that back in my twenties and I was having heap of mates come over there's about a dozen office playing call of duty I think it was can't remember was a bit of fun anyway and I was pretty good and I said Tim should I come join in you where in Geelong at the time weren't you yeah that's right so Tim was quite far away it was a massive hike for him anyway he came out and spent the day gaming and he was good yeah fun times and then it was about a year after you were doing YouTube videos for tech support yeah there was a bit of that and then you obviously started Hardware on box and I sort of signed on is that one another you were founding subscribers I guess yes right in the hundreds yeah and then I would see yeah so Tim later knew about the audio stuff the camera stuff I'd never done video before so when we're starting harbour unboxed I got a few tips from Tim Tim was happy to give him and then he said when I finished my engineering degree I'm going to go into the workforce but I would like to still play around with phones and laptops I'd be cool if I could do a video once every week or two more like yeah happy to have you on as a guest and yeah then Matt left the channel Tim came on full-time and here we are in the September QA all right this is yeah this is a pretty interesting and topical question I think will the new US tariffs have knock-on effects for other countries markets so non economics or politics expert can't say follow it too closely but it does appear to be that the whole Trump China thing is currently causing prices of some electronics goods to crease because a lot of those are manufactured in China there's no import tariffs to the US for Chinese made goods something along those lines but I mean I have no idea yes question that seems to be causing some thing I think like graphics card prices has been raised okay from some partners that manufacture their cards in China so question is will that have knock-on effects for other countries I wouldn't have thought that it would unless those countries impose tariffs you know it that should only be a US China thing you would think at the same time a lot of companies based their pricing up the u.s. prices so if they raised the u.s. prices that might cause yeah the price to hike everywhere else yeah so probably a company by company thing again here in Australia already have plenty of Australia tax so be pretty mean of them to increase that but you never know yeah building a gaming PC well we thought it was bad in January of this year when I did my series in a lot of ways it hasn't got that much better overall and has in some ways but anyway alright question from jazz I know you can't share much about your I $9.99 hundred K but can you at least say it runs on jet 370 so what's a Steve well I did see this question in the community thread this morning and I didn't know the answer this morning but as you guys know I'm not under NDA and I feel like it's really information you should know anyway I don't know why until would hide that okay it's good news you can so the ninety-nine hundred K will work on any of the 300 series boards and right now it is working on a Zed 370 boards so I updated the bias of the asou sport in my test system drop the CPU in brewed it up straight away in a Windows identifies the CPU and works perfectly fine so you can use it on your Zen 370 boards I will be doing a lot of benchmarking with hopefully a lot of Zed 370 boards to see how it performs even on the really cheap ones whether we see some thermal throttling some vrm throttling yeah and how that all works out anyway the good news is if you've got a nice high-end motherboard like a Zen 370 god block or something like that you can drop in the eight core 16 thread a core I 9 processor if you wish all right these next two question are quite long so I'm gonna let Tim read them out and save my voice a bit because it's killing me yeah that's what happens when you get old with all the focus from invidious surrounding ray-tracing do you believe that D LS s actually shows a more promising case for the RT X cars and that we should be waiting for real-world benchmarks before making any future purchase of the series for FC and Els s could give these cards a genuine boost in FPS performance so by the time this Q&A comes out my video on DL SS should already come out on a channel hopefully so at the time of filming it's all actually out but yes the answer that is not really DSS and ray-tracing both seem you know like they'll be in a couple of games and in plenty of games won't support those features but I think crucially what we saw with DL SS is that it doesn't look that much different to down scaling the resolution using a resolution slider to around 1800 P so when you put the two images side-by-side 4k native looks better DSS looks about the same as 1800 P and rendering natively at 1800 pairs around the same performance so as far as I can tell from the very limited amount of demos that I mentioned this in that video DSS doesn't look like it's all that impressive I think the technology is impressive from it takes 1440p up scales at using black magic but compared to techniques we can already use and this is only one technique there's plenty of others we can't even test right now yeah it just doesn't seem like DL SS will be that killer feature furture it would be great if there was a killer feature but I don't think ELSS will be that hmm next question what is your honest opinion about cheering do you think chewing is a placeholder GPU architecture between now and next release for a quick sales grab to boost market share sing same D cannot compete for some time do you think is here to suck in consumers into a GPU generation we're ray tracing is not quite there yet considering blur but yeah Baba DSS is blurry upscale features doesn't want to be here okay so what's our opinion cheering I think we pretty much nailed it in our announcement video six weeks ago now whenever I was pretty much the questions - or the answer to your questions yes yes yes yes and yeah it's not that impressive I mean the 1280 eyes well again we talked about this on the patreon livestream the 28th ET is very fast super impressive and you know whenever I say that people like it's not though in terms of value it's not in terms of value but anything that's 30% faster on average and up to 55 or 50% faster than the 1080 T is mighty impressive because well before that the 1080 - I was mighty impressive so it's it it's breathtaking at 4k and Tim's been playing with it at 4k with HDR and says it's just incredible so it's good in that sense and I suppose because of that you could justify the 20 82 hours I've set in various content pieces now the 20 80 makes absolutely no sense I don't think it ever will certainly doesn't right now D D LSS doesn't seem like it will make it worthwhile yeah unless it radically changes from what we've seen so far ray tracing you know it's don't think so so really it's been the 20 atti series yeah and that the 20 80 is a completely pointless product that doesn't make sense at the current price $700 us it's like okay yeah might as well buy it if you're getting a high-end card the 2070 is gonna be a super super tough sell and then Tim and I are scratching our heads as to what they're going to do with like the 2060 and lower yeah how churring versions of those make sense yeah I mean you say any question is it a place on definitely that's what we said in the announcement video so I think my announcement video if we end up being right which is looking more and more like we are was hit the nail on the head with that one that this is bit of a money grab just sort of lingering between what they can ultimately end up doing so they started to do this and probably twelve months later you'll see what they yeah really I'm doing I mean the architecture there's a lot of interesting new stuff ik is happening the architecture it's a big change from Pascal but it's just in the products that have been announced in the way that they're priced and everything it's just not that good so some guy on the internet asks best budget GPU for 3840 by 1200 for 120 FPS low-to-medium say so therefore you by 1200 is that ultra wide metric so or resolution I should say so it's yeah not going to be as demanding as full 4k but if you still want to play at 120 FPS low to medium series you're still gonna need something reasonable at that well after position depends what the game is does depend on the games they're talking fortnight's like just getting support later medium or shut off the Tomb Raider any of the case I would I would say something like a gtx 1070 yeah that's the exact thing I was gonna say oh yeah 1070 if the 1070 is not much more get that overclock at 1080 high performance but then when we were looking at the second hand deals last month's curating like the 1080 was probably the way to go second hand yeah so definitely check out all those sort of deals but certainly you're not gonna get away with like a 1050 resolution even on low to medium 1060 like would possibly work with like your fortnight's yeah but not yeah not the real amazing looking Triple A titles okay next question do your significant others now hate the word benchmark my wife doesn't particularly care yeah no no my girlfriend doesn't care so yeah it's not like I think yes well we were talking about this when we went to get lunch it's funny being on YouTube you get a lot more recognition for doing what I've always done like we'll talk about the textbook yeah how we met I've been doing this job for almost 20 years now admittedly we put a bit more time into it now than we did originally but even so 10 years ago we were still doing hugely in-depth benchmarks but on the tech sites that just seems to be a bit different to YouTube yeah so I've always you know a new games come out and my wife's like y'all see you in 2 or 3 days so nothing's really changed this the way it is yep she's like huh nice break so I think this users name is crimson something like that cousin pretty cool alright how do you think the Australian parts market will turn out for the foreseeable future and do you see a price improvement for any specific part anytime soon so I really think the Australian parts market is too different to any other market yes it's probably a more of a global question or yeah I mean app parts are obviously inflated compared to the just direct conversion but it's always been the case with Australia tax and all that sort of thing so you know anything that gets more expensive overseas is going to get more expensive here as for you know is anything going to become more affordable I wouldn't have thought so anything that's you know becoming affordable is just going to become affordable yeah I'm a machine cheap used the the Intel CPU price facts that we've seen that's a global thing due to a supply shortage the 9th gen CPUs are probably going to come in being quite expensive yeah so you've got Rison which is decent in terms of price very good in terms of price but then we've got the GPUs that I've done that Ram prices have come down a little bit SSDs are quite good stuffs all over the place never we haven't got that perfect those perfect conditions we have low memory low graphics cards or relatively low yeah there's always something that kind of blows the budget out for the new builds ok next question do you think your r-tx samples are hand-picked to be better not from what we've seen compared to know well the reviews and testing the partner cards that I've got whole been in sealed retail packaging which doesn't mean they're having me tested but they look very like all the gold contacts look that I never touched anything before it looked brand-new completely mint so yeah I doubt it and they really have no reason to because it'd just be a lot of time and effort on their hand to get a card that if a reviewer does the right thing and really really fine-tunes that they might get 20 more megahertz out of it it's not worth it they don't really overclock that well same thing we saw with Pascal so it's not like a you know 8700 kcp you wear you know my review sample at 5.30 Hertz but we found that the average hits five to maybe 5.1 okay next question here more dx12 support with ray tracing and then I think there's a second completely unrelated part here could it be possible that Nvidia is power throttling their cards because there isn't any competition but once a MIDI release as their high end GPU they could open the floodgates in terms of power use so our first Lancer the ray-tracing part more dx12 support with great racing I wouldn't think so I just think that if a game has dx12 support in it its might have rate racing a lot of engines that are built on dx11 I can't say be upgraded just for ray tracing and of course rate racing also works with Vulcan and for the second part could it be possible in videos power throttling there cards it does seem like there are some power limits they could probably push a bit higher but it seems like we're pretty close to the sort of clock speed ceiling as it is so I can't really I don't think so yeah yeah can't really see that being a thing okay next question what is the future of AMD in graphics I don't think things will change too much from what we've seen in the past they'll continue on earth I feel like they will become much more competitive again and goes cross they do but I think they will and they're just waiting for that 7 nanometer node shrink that they're going to do on their workstation their compute products first and then that'll trickle down when yields improve to the more affordable consumer grade stuff intended more for gaming and I think that is going to be really really impressive what are you doing yeah reckon that's about it ok this questions from girls so Kangin you know discordant chat it'll be good what do you guys thoughts on how much more incredible-looking the truing cards are from AI bees than their Pascal and previous SKUs and do you guys have a personal favorite looking during card sorry about that well the first part of the question do they look much more incredible I don't know they do do I know pretty similar I think they're pretty swell the gigabyte ones they got rid of the orange highlights which I suppose that's an incredible upgrade yeah yeah I mean there was some really impressive Pascal cards like the Auris brand cards were big and beefy and ran well MSI had more hi and today TI models like remember those the the gaming x model the lightning z model the trio the gaming extra oh so that was a heap of high-end really nice models and they've just merged them together with the 20 80 TI gaming at Trio so yeah I'm not I'm not sure you'd have you would have had to give some examples for that one but I think they're very much the same and then what was the other part of the question what was that personal favorite looking one I really like that new Oris card that that's coming out soon I am getting a sample of that as well I think I'll begin the 2082 I I think next month though is when they'll be coming out yeah I agree that one does look quite nice so that looks good the azuz model looks pretty cool the Batmobile is type looking one that everyone says that looks good obviously I loved the MSI gaming extra oh that was cool still has a couple of red highlights that I would have liked to have seen God and that would have made it just perfect for me but I think they all look really good never all that big coolers they seem it all perform really well even the founders Edition looks good okay that is going to do it for part 1 we will have part two with many more questions on the channel this time tomorrow but anyway I hope you guys enjoyed this and it's probably too late to get any questions in for the next one but keep an eye out for next month because we do this do do this once a month and it's a lot of fun anyway thank you for watching I'm your host Steve I'm your host Tim going like that time see you next time