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welcome back to harbor unbox yesterday we got our first look at the 29 20 X and then the 29 70 WX processors and for that initial review the focus really was on productivity performance but I did promise that soon after we would look we would dive a bit deeper into the gaming performance so that's what we're doing today unfortunately though I still haven't had time to update the sky like X CPUs with many of the newly released tiles that we will be looking at in this video but there have been plenty of comparisons in the past on the channel comparing the 1920 X to 1950 X and even the 2950 X with a whole heap of skylake X CPU so it's not like we haven't seen that data before but I admit it would have been nice if I had have had time to update but just adding one CPU to the Lister's a day or so is worth of testing so forgive me but I think what we have is still very useful anyway the focus here is to see how well the 24 core and 32 core models work with the new dynamic local mode and I should note that all the testing has been conducted with this new mode enabled since it doesn't require a restart I'm happy to test and even recommend this mode whereas I wasn't really a fan of the game mode as it requires a reset and basically nerfs the processors productivity performance so if you primarily require a workstation computer but wouldn't mind also using it to blow off some steam by playing a few games every now and then how well does that actually work and assuming you're not a high refresh rate gamer looking to play something like csgo competitively on your workstation PC does gaming on a thread Ripper rig even matter in order to find that out I'll be testing at 1440p and 4k with an RT x 2080 TI in addition to the CPU limited 1080p testing please note all systems work and figure with ddr4 3200 CL 14 memory and the quad channel platforms received 32-year bytes while the dual channel systems use 16 gigabytes ok let's get in the results first up we have Forza horizon 4 which isn't a CPU intensive title but we deliberately test with it to show how these CPUs compare in a typical game as most gamers aren't heavily CPU bound using high-end modern processors as you can see it too the Red River CPUs all deliver comparable frame time and average frame rate performance which is interesting as the rise in seven 2,700 X is around 7% faster matching the performance of the Intel CPUs that said at 1440p the 2,700 X is no longer able to keep pace with the Intel CPUs not something you'd expect to see given the results at 30 P the Intel CPUs are up to 6 percent faster but with all the processors enabling over 100 FPS at all times with an RT X xx atti the performance margin is almost meaningless then at 4 K we find the playing field is pretty well neutralized as all eight processors allowed the RT X xx atti to achieve maximum performance at this extreme resolution next up we have Star Wars Battlefront 2 which is a CPU intensive title and here the thread room for 2970 W X is able to keep pace with the 29:20 X and 2150 X while the 29:20 WX still trips up Windows 10 with its many threads for all other thread Ripper CPUs frame time performance is on par or slightly better than that of the 2700 X that's said at 1080p the 29:20 X and 2970 X around 17% slower than the 99 or ek moving up to 1440p and already we see that 17% margin come down to just 5% and now the thread Ripper CPUs are reliable to match the 2,700 X basically using these quality settings with an RT X 2082 I it's near impossible to differentiate between the 1,900 can say the 29:20 x even with a live FPS counter then at 4k as you might expect there really is no difference between these CPUs they basically all deliver the same frame time and average framerate performance so while battlefront 2 is a CPU demanding title by the time you reach the 4k resolution it becomes significantly more GPU bound even with the latest and greatest GPU next up we have battlefield 1 and this title has been causing some grief with the GeForce r-tx 20 atti I've noticed that the last few drivers have been causing some odd performance behavior in this title not quite sure what's going on but it will require some further investigation previously with the gtx 10a DTI the stock core i7 87 ok allowed for a 1% lower result of around 135 FPS but now with the RT X xx atti we've dropped down to 118 fps then we also have some really odd results with the new eight core ninth gem processors we're moving to 1440p and I'll touch on that in a moment anyway here at 1080p we see the thread Ripper CPUs aren't that well utilized and even the 2950 X came in well behind to the 2700 X meanwhile the Intel CPUs are noticeably faster and please note the 200 FPS frame cap has actually been removed and just so happens that the 9900 K in 9700 K averaged 200 FPS now 1440p or CPU see a huge decrease in frame time performance with the exception of the 99 K and 9700 K which see a performance increase this makes absolutely no sense and for now I suspect this is a bug with the Nvidia display driver anyway the 2700 X remains just ahead of the thread river cpus which means AMD's trailing Intel by a reasonable margin in this title that said at 4k we do see once again a coming together of the results another thread repressive views are basically able to match the performance of the 99 or okay at least when looking at the average frame rate moving on we have project cars - and here we find very competitive performance between the 87 RK and 2700 X the new 9900 K and 9700 K enable breathtaking performance with the RT X 2082 at 1080p pushing up over 150 fps making them around 35% faster than the 2700 X the thread Ripper CPUs do enable highly playable performance but compared to the mainstream Intel alternatives you can see why we've stressed that these aren't gaming CPUs still for casual gaming they are more than capable and we see that both the 29:20 X and 2970 WX are still able to match the 2950 X moving to 1440 Payne here we set the Rison 720 700 X is able to hang with the GPU limited Intel competition but we do see some drop-off for the average frame rate with the thread Ripper models still the frame time performance is impressive now for K we find pretty similar performance across the board frame time performance is still a little down on the thread refer parts but we're only talking a few frames here overall the experience will be very much the same so project cars 2 is certainly a pass for the thread Ripper CPUs Tom Clancy's Rainbow six siege is mostly GPU bound with a 90 X 20 atti that said you'll still want a decent CP you to play this title at 1080p the thread Ripper CPUs do surprisingly well and basically match the 2700 X which means they're just 17% slower than the Intel CPUs for the average framerate given that we are seeing well over 170 FPS at all times you have to wonder how much these margins even matter we do see a bit of a performance drop-off in frame time performance for the 24 core and 32 core parts at 1440p that said both still did allow for over 100 FPS at all times the 29 20 X match the 2,700 X while the 29 50 X was a whisker faster basically matching the Intel CPUs finish it expect once again we do see a coming together at 4k that said the 24 core and 32 core parts still really struggle with frame time performance the results aren't bad but there is a noticeable drop-off when compared to the rest of the CPUs tested next up we have hitman and here we have another toilet doesn't play particularly well on the 2970 WX and 2990 WX even with the dynamic local mode enabled the game was playable but you're looking at a much more enjoyable experience with the 29 20x and twenty-nine 50x both of which were able to match the 2,700 X that said the Intel CPU still offer vastly superior performance in this title at tourney P at 1440p the Intel CPU still remained well ahead especially when looking at the average framerate performance still the 29:20 X 29 50 X and 2,700 X were all acceptable it was only the WX series that dipped into trouble even at 4k we see until still enjoys a performance advantage a small one but still there is a slight performance advantage there and that and that isn't something we'd expect to see in what should be an extremely GPU bound scenario I do suspect that this is an Nvidia display driver issue using the DirectX 12 API but again I haven't confirmed that some more testing and will need to be done testing the shutter of the Tomb Raider we see at the 29 20 X and 29 50 X match the frame time performance of the 2,700 X while beating it by a reasonable margin for the average frame rate so it's interesting to see the 12 and 16 core thread Ripper CPUs offering a performance increase here over the 2,700 X which I have to say was most expected however once we move to 1440p the 2700 X is now able to roughly match the average frame rate of these river / CPUs while offering slightly better frame time performance though overall the performance was very much the same between the 29:20 X 2150 X and 2700 X they were certainly all comparable with the 99er okay as we are mostly GPU bound here again even with the dynamic local mode enabled we are seeing some serious frame time issues with the 2970 WX and 2990 WX processors then as expected the 4k resolution we are very much GPU bound and with the exception of the 24 core and 32 core models all CPUs enabled the same level of performance wrapping up the gaming benchmarks we have Assassin's Creed Odyssey and here we have some very interesting results the previous Assassin's Creed origins and very much liked a lot of cos and Odyssey appears to be no different here we see at 1080p that the 2950 x and 29:20 x are both quite a bit faster than the Rison 720 700 X not only that but they offer slightly better frame time performance than the Intel CPUs despite a slightly lower average framerate unfortunately the 2970 WX and 2990 WX do suffer quite a lot when it comes to the frame time performance despite offering very respectable average frame rates at 1440p we are almost entirely GPU bound and here there's very little separating the 29 50 X 29 28 and 2,700 X as well as the Intel CPUs frame time performance for the 24 core and 32 core models is still down a little bit but given how GPU bound we are the impact wasn't huge then at 4k we're 100% GPU bound and there's really no margins worth talking about here so if you're gaming at 4k with what is currently the world's fastest gaming GPU your choice of a modern high-end CPU really doesn't matter too much shocking conclusion time guys the 87 okay 97 okay and 99 hurry K are the best gaming CPUs certainly better than the super core heavy workstation CPUs from AMD now that you've picked your jaw up off the floor from that completely unbelievable conclusion obviously the point of this video wasn't to work out what the best game CPU is or if the thread Ripper CPUs can take it to the 99 or okay in games because you probably already know the answer to those questions what I wanted to know is how well the twenty nine twenty X and twenty nine fifty X stack up against the more mainstream processes and modern titles and not just at low CPU limited resolutions but also at resolutions you're likely going to game up with high-end hardware I also wanted to see how well the 2970 WX and 2990 WX work with dynamic local mode enabled I guess the main reason to investigate gaming performance is to just see how viable it is after all if you want a dedicated high refresh rate gaming system then my primary recommendation is the core i7 87 okay and I guess now if you have money to burn and potentially your dwelling then check out the 19900 K however if you're building a workstation to work on but he'd also like to unwind and play a few games at night how viable is gaming on a three ripper system well as it turns out the 29 20 X and 29 50 X are extremely viable oh this has certainly been my experience over the past year also with the 1950 X the 29 70 WX and 2990 WX a where for the most part okay but overall performance is still a bit mixed and the frame time performance is well that certainly appears to be a big issue in some of the titles that we tested however if you're spending at least well $1,300 us or up to $1,800 us on just the CPU I have to imagine that building a dedicated so core i7 87 ok gaming rig like what I've actually done probably isn't out of the question in fact that's exactly what I've done with the set piece but if I was to build my own dreams on a PC it would be very much like coffee Ripper this has a 29 50 X in it with at 8700 K so perfect a couple of graphics cards some memory and yeah you're good to go and then about three grand worth of liquid cooling alternatively you could build a risin 5 1600 system with the gtx 1070 TL that'll certainly get the job done very nicely and well if you're spending $1,800 a US on a CPU like I said that kind of setup probably would just be pocket change and Tim actually built a system very similar to that on the in fact it did have a 1,600 Anna GTX 1070 TI and he claimed that that was the ultimate bang for your buck 1440p gaming rig so if Tim said it it must be true and on a final note results like what we saw in Assassin's Creed Odyssey are very interesting to me and I wonder just how long it's going to be before we start seeing quite a few more titles that run better on the 29:20 X and 2950 X when compared to the more mainstream 2700 X and I suppose even some of the six and eight core Intel CPUs anyway I'll leave you with that interesting thought if you liked the video well you know what to do we I hope you know what to do subscribe for more content just like this and if you appreciate the way we're doing our box then consider supporting us on patreon you gain access to our private discord chat where you can ask us whatever you want to ask us suggest video ideas anything at all and we also do a monthly 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