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hey guys welcome back to another unboxing box's adventure for this particular adventure we have just two boxes on hand there is a heat more over here in the pile to my right but we're only gonna have time for two boxes today as I mentioned in last week's episode we're going to attempt to fix the thermal take Corp III liquid cooled build again there isn't any issue with the liquid cooling part itself that works amazingly well back when we finish the build in August everything seemed fine the system benchmarked well and was perfectly stable about three weeks after completing the build we had to review the gtx 1070 game Rock premium edition graphics card which palette sent over with a liquid cooling block to test it out we removed the GTX 1080 from the P 3 loop and installed the game rock card this all went well and once the review was completed we reinstalled the GTX 1080 draining the liquid refitting the card and then pouring a liquid back in or went smoothly basically everything on the surface appeared fine however something odd happened we could no longer watch videos on the P 3 system damn singer work okay though so we knew the graphics card wasn't damaged and that was I have to say a big relief last thing you want to do is go kill a founders edition GTX 1080 that wouldn't have gone over particularly well but with the graphics card confirmed as a okay we believe to the next culprit would likely be the drivers something some sort of software glitch anyway we did a clean sweep I did that in the safe mode got rid of all the drivers started again and encountered the same problem so the next logical step was to believe and had something to with the windows install I don't I don't know what could have gone wrong between you know we hadn't done anything from the last time we used the system's now but who knows we were running out of ideas quickly we were overlooking the obvious but I'll get to that shortly by taking the SSD out of the core P 3 whacking it in one of our test systems fired it up everything worked fine did the reverse took the test system SSD out put it in the core p3 and sure enough videos without affecting in games had simple stutter so clearly then it was a problem with the hardware in the core p3 build either something with the motherboard or what we eventually found it to be by this point it was narrowed down to a hardware issue and then I had a light bulb moment I had heard of issues with the thermal tight riser cables and I think even some of you guys warned us in the comments during the p3 build series as it turned out then we'll take her to recently sent along some spare cables they didn't really say why it was more of a here have these cables guys kind of situation carefully installing one of the replacement cables which is a serious pain and a hard pipe liquid-cooled system I might add the issue seemed to go away and the system ran as expected however I wasn't satisfied with that and I did a little further investigating with these new cables despite everything looking okay on the surface at times I did known as frame stuttering in games not something you expect to see with the GeForce GTX 1080 core i7 69 50 X and 64 gigabytes of ddr4 memory opening up a little application called latency Mon everything seemed okay at idle however the second I played a YouTube video or loaded a game the interrupts to process latency went through the roof this meant the system was having trouble handling real-time audio and video amongst other things a second riser cable was installed with no kinks or bends and the same issue with latency was found bending the cable in anyway amplified the issue massively and without too much rough handling it was pretty easy to damage the cable at the point where it would no longer work sadly though to some of you guys this will not be news this has been an ongoing issue for quite some time now when thermal takers even owned up to it the problem being they haven't really fixed it despite you know replacing cables and saying they have found the issues which it appears like they haven't over on the thermal tape forums you will find a number of detailed threads from customers having similar experiences and frustrations to us the solution unfortunately is a rather expensive one most attorney to a shielded riser cable from 3m those that have purchased this cable claimed that it works perfectly and really it would want - given the hideous price tag of a hundred and twenty dollars US given that's the retail price for thermal tech scorpy three it's really not an ideal solution finding a replacement cable in Australia isn't easy but in the end I picked up a LeeAnn Lee PCIe x 16 cable that goes by the model name PW PCIe 38 - 1 I picked mine up from Al's PC market for a hundred and eighteen dollars so let's take a look at it install it in the core P 3 rig and hopefully all my troubles go away could it be that simple alright plain-looking box it does have what we want inside which is good or at least it should it's advertised to have what we need this is looking promising indeed wow that's a much more impressive looking cable I'll be title you have got two screws to secure it if you don't have two screws so that end obviously goes in your motherboard graphics card sits in there so in our rig it would look something I actually way more way way more cable than we need you want to be careful not to bend them too aggressive at the ends here may not be too much of an issue for that cable do me go so idea these two here I believe these two are the replacement cables kinda lost track of what's what at this point I've put that many of these looking cables into that system I think it's 4 in total I've used but yeah these are the cables that's it with the shielding off as you can see it's just two ribbon cables something that you'd sort of would have seen on the old hard drives or floppy drives or whatever like that but not particularly impressive and so the black stuff that you see on here is the shielding if we peel it away here you'll see how well you can see the foil there I might have to do some b-roll but that foil there is meant to be the shielding as you can see at the ends it's not doing a great job of covering the cable and its entirety but anyway the cables they they don't work full stop let's just get that out of the way make it clear that they do not work at all I mean that even when they appear to be working the latency through these cables is still just horrible you might get away with it with low end gear but throw any high-end graphics cards on this thing and you're gonna you know know about it to avoid the the bigger issues you basically don't want to bender the cable at all which is impossible to do that's the whole point of a flexible rise cable or riser cable you know that end in our build that end will go on your motherboard you we to get it working there to do like the most gentle delicate Bend there and then this you have to bend all the way around so you want to sort of look like that it's pretty difficult to do with that bending it and yeah if you have a brand new fresh cable and you do that really delicate like it will appear to work there'll be a tiny bit of stuttering here and there but you know latency will still be terrible and you'll eventually notice more and more glitches and if you do what we did on the second time we put it in and do something like a bit of an aggressive Bend like that it's going to be horrible and not work at all which is what I suspect most people have done because that's just an easier cleaner look but yet we pretty much destroys the cable and once you bend these things aggressively bending him back doesn't solve the problem you've you've screwed its cactus so we will install this one in a moment and see if that our solves our problems I'm hoping it will I've heard reports that it does but anyway we'll get to that shortly before we do we've got one box here that we'll have a look in and this has been sent from or organized by gigabyte and it should be the last piece of our $1,200 u.s. 1440p build so thankfully I can finally put that thing together hopefully later this week maybe Thursday afternoon you'll see that video pop-up where a little bit of a time-lapse of putting the whole thing together and then I'll bust out a 1440p monitor in place and games on it and record that so that should be really cool looking forward to doing that have been for weeks now and finally if this has what I think it has which it does it is the gigabyte gtx 1070 it's a a base model windforce version so it comes in at 380 dollars u.s. and at the moment i think new eggs even throwing in a copy of Gears of War 4 for a limited time so that's a really cool deal for us all these you're paying about $600 for this car is about as cheap as 10 70s get sounds like a lot compared to the u.s. price but that's just that's how the currency conversion and taxes and all that work yeah and in our x4 ad I think the cheapest ones in Australia are about $400 anyway so you're paying 200 bucks more for or 1070 so both cards a good value but you definitely get your extra two hundred dollars worth out of this sucker that's for sure I'll have a have a quick look at it since we're going to spend so much time on the riser cables which I know is thrilling but it's an interesting issue or a frustrating one depending on whether you bought one or not so what we have here it's actually pretty it looks similar to the g1 gaming no doubt the cool is slightly smaller we're missing one fan I'm sure there's been modifications or rather down grades to the power delivery you've got one 8-pin connector which I believe is the same situation on the g1 gaming version but I mean it's going to be a capable card anyway and you're certainly not losing any performance or anything like that like that compared to our founders edition or whatever but yeah thrown in $1.00 so it's as cheap as a 10-7 he gets really and it will perform as you would expect a 1072 which is all the reasons why we've picked it for our 1440p build and it should look right at home in that build but anyway we'll you'll see more of this card in probably Thursday's video so stay tuned for that one all right well I think I should probably go and dig out the core p3 system and we'll try and squeeze the cable into that and see if we can get it installed right so here is the beast it's looking a little sad are the graphics cards meant to be pop propped up rather a bit more like that but we've had to take all the mounting gear out to try and change the riser cable I'm not sure how I'm gonna get this really a big one in here without having you know I want to avoid draining the system disconnecting the graphics card and basically starting over from scratch because we've done that too many times now but if I have to our will but hopefully we can sort of do this a bit dodgy and wriggle it out so there's the cable that was in there and that's that that was that was probably working as as well as any of them have and that's what I'm talking about with the sort of more gentle bend off there but while it was possible to play games without too much trouble and the videos and all that were actually playing properly with this cable in there with latency Mon open you as soon as you loaded up a video you saw the latency creep up and a game it just shut off the scale and basically informed you that this system would probably have trouble with the real-time audio and video so that's not something you want to see on a system worth the kind of money this thing is so four hundred twenty bucks we bought this which hopefully solves all those problems and we can still have this nice front mounted graphics card which looks really cool and not have to redo all the plumbing and mount it like it would be vertically or horizontally anyway let's try and put this 380 millimeter long cable and Eve I'm not sure where we're gonna tuck all the excess okay well we got one in plugged in hmm I really don't want to bend the hell out of this thing the last thing I want to do so try and find a way to tuck all this behind the graphics card yeah it's a bit longer this is not something you'd want to be doing if you'd walked out what your system is actually worth a retail less-than-ideal the absolute last thing you want to be doing is jiggling all this around and try and squeeze in a cable you'd be you'd be sweating on a day that isn't 38 degrees let's just say that but I mean that's connected up that should be working now so I might give that a quick go and if that's all working I'll put all the necessary mounting stuff back in stop the card from drooping and yeah then we should be should all be good but I mean this not sure out looks from the front but I mean that cables not too bad it's a lot longer than you need obviously but if it works you're not really gonna care too much I pad for the fatty pad under $20 for it and you probably didn't budget for that but anyway it's another story I'll plug this in I'll probably do an overlay of and some commentary of what I found was that cable installed so with the only cable and so latency issues went away latency mon was no longer reporting the system was having trouble with real-time playback at this point I haven't had a chance to use the core p3 extensively with this cable but so far early indications look good so the real question being can thermaltake solve this issue honestly I don't think they can from what I've seen all PCIe times 16 riser cables that are properly shielded cost over hundred dollars meanwhile Thermaltake charge is just $20 for their shielded cable really if it costs somewhere around $100 to produce a properly shielded cable then I think it's fair to say fen we'll take her up that famous creek without a paddle there's no way customers can justify spending 120 dollars on a p3 case only then turn around and deal what we've done and spend about 120 dollars on a cable that makes the case unique it takes advantage of that front-facing graphics card without that it's not nearly as an appealing product in my opinion we genuinely do like Thermaltake products such as the core p3 here at harbor unboxed and the guys from the local Thermaltake team here in melbourne are really really good people still you guys are our number one priority so at this point we strongly recommend you avoid using the thermal tech riser cables which sadly as I just said Mac's products such as the core p3 and port p5 a lot less appealing which is disappointing that's a bit of a downer to end on so on a brighter note later in the week we will have the $1200 1440p gaming build and benchmark video and before I plan to do that I will have an another interesting video and this one looks at the best $200 ozzie graphics card and it might not be the comparison you're expecting so make sure you check that out if all goes to plan that should be on the channel tomorrow night on a final note do you guys think we should rename the unboxing series the point of this series was to provide some light-hearted content but I feel we could possibly be doing a bit more with the series I still plan to keep showing you products that we get in I think that's a fun little insight but I feel like we could be covering other topics and issues on this segment and I don't know if the unboxing boxes name would be appropriate for that kind of stuff so many ideas or suggestions are welcomed generally the guys watching these series are our most loyal viewers so we are keen to hear from you guys anyway that brings us to the end of this video I hope you guys enjoyed it and found the content interesting as always yeah I'm gonna say as always now as always I'm your host Steve and please stay tuned because later this week we have some very very interesting content coming your way