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Unboxing Boxes #35: Vega Gone Missing? New X399 Boards, Mega GTX 1080 Ti & More!

2017-08-13
or what we'll come back to Harvard on box for another episode of unboxing boxes as you can see the boxes are assumed piling up believe in art this isn't even all of them I haven't been other ten boxes just over here so we're not going to get through all these today I'm going to pick five of what I think will probably be the cooler more exciting boxes that we have so we'll get through those first yeah let's clean the desk up get the five boxes we're going to unbox and we'll go from there all right so we've narrowed it down to five what I think will be exciting boxes packages some good stuff inside can't be guaranteed but odds are with us with five of the boxes and we have the garbage bag boxes and they they always deliver the garbage bag boxes and I know what it is about them but they look rubbish and they're just gold mines so speaking of which we should probably actually I will save them because they are good usually now we've got a Galax box here and they also always deliver because Galax really only makes one thing and that is a graphics card and this box is it's taken a beating so hopefully hopefully I doesn't seem very well padded come on Galax stop cheeping out on us mm well this box has absolutely no padding whatsoever and it's not a cheap product that's what we're looking at GTX 3gi with no padding but there's obviously padding inside the product box so the graphics card should be relatively unharmed let's have a quick look at this guy and then we'll move on because I've got a lot to get through and I do have a little bit of a funny story or no if it's funny just I have a story to tell about my Vegas sample at the end of the video it's slightly entertaining so anyway we'll discuss that shortly okay galux GTX 1080i so in the package you get the usual four pin the 6 pin connector you get an 8 pin - 4 pin connector and a DVI to HDMI dongle the manual is no 25 graphics card time whoo I've been trying to get a galaxy gtx 980ti 4 month town a month very similar to the 1070 this is the ax OSI model and I have looked at the 1070 xoc and it was an awesome card this one the shroud the complaint a lot of people had which didn't bother me too much but it was true that there's shroud was it was a white model that the shroud was more cream than white it was like an off-white and yeah some people didn't like that it glowed quite nicely but this one is very white this is about as white as white gets and that back plate wolf pretty fancy some aggressive cut out there caution hot surface so what can I say about this card well it looks like we have five very fat copper heat pipes so decent cooler on there for sure looks like two big banks of aluminium fins we have a eight pin and a 6 pin power inputs that's pretty standard for a 10 atti standard sort of our I oh stuff their connectivity pair of fans there probably about 100 mil I really like these white cards the black PCB they look cool in like my tower 900 building to be really at home in there even though that's mostly liquid cool but anyway so I think the highlights of the cooler are the 5 copper heat pipes it is a 12 layered PCB so it's a very thick PCV very premium and it also has a 7 phase power design so you're going to squeeze pretty much all you can out of the 10 a DTI GPU on this graphics card when it's air-cooled anyway yeah very cool card been trying this while keen to do a review on this mostly focusing on things like thermal and overclocking all that kind of stuff yeah that's a cool card where shall I put this stay stay don't knock that off straight away all right why it's a good start there you go Daleks 1080 Ti great way to start today's unboxing boxes episode let's see what else we have I forgot to put this stuff back in the box take two everything's back in the box put the box there it's important that I keep everything together with the unboxing boxes seriously I get to the end of episode there's stuff everywhere I have no idea what goes where it's actually quite embarrassing the studio over here there's there's kind of stuff that never got filed away correctly so it's just there's a pile of miscellaneous bits and bobs oh that's a heavy one actually let's start with I had this a bit of a bit of a story to this one so this is the first time this has happened a very exciting one of the garbage bags is from a patreon member so Levi has purchased something from I think was PC case gear now he messaged me a few weeks ago and he said Steve I'm buying something pretty cool how would you feel about me having it sent to your place you can unbox it unboxing boxes show it off and then when you're done you can even review it or whatever and then pass it on to me so that sounds like a very cool offer indeed he promised it is not that I cared I'd unbox anything but he promised it was something very exciting so I was like sure let's do it so this has arrived just the other day late last week this is Sunday morning right now you're probably watching this Sunday afternoon all those guys that jump on it straight away so what has Levi had sent my way quite heavy let's get into it uh-oh okay that's quite funny I don't know if you guys can see it whoa okay Wow Wow I've been trying to get my hands on this thing for many months as well you'll see why I was a bit shocked at first oh that is the Daleks Hall of Fame GTX and a GTI Wow Levi that is a seriously cool graphics card I saw when I opened the box I basically saw that the tops in Celtx GTX 1080i and I thought it was that and I thought don't tell me he's got super excited to send me his brand new graphics card and I just unboxed one but no this is even better again next level whoa yeah I've genuinely been trying to get my hands on one of these and I just haven't had samples so I'm going to be careful with this more careful a lot more careful that I normally am I'll be treating this with respect crease the box a little bit so about that okay normally I just rip things apart don't really care a bit more entertaining but with this one I don't really want to break his box oh okay oh okay do that again I've worked it all out I think you're right dirty it's like magnet or something try again ready well I'm nervous I do not want to damage this thing no I really don't care that ya really appreciate the thing sent in wow wow wow what a beast wow that's the back of it this is a very very heavy graphics card much like that MSI Lightning was I have to say this looks even cooler so you've got an LED display there she'll talk about the moment well thank you very much for sending this in Levi I'll try and get done with it as quickly as possible I'm not sure I'll give it a dedicated review I'd like to the only thing is I'm not going to be able to pull this card down because like I said it is a viewers card so I don't want to avoid their warranty or risk damaging the card or anything like that so yeah we won't be a teardown or anything like that I'm still going to try and get one of these from Galax especially now that I've seen how amazing the card looks but yeah I'll do some thermal testing and stuff like that because I have to pull the part to do all that we'll play a few games on it and stuff like that I don't know too much about this I certainly wasn't expecting to get the Hall of Fame card but I know this to be pretty much one of the most highly regarded and respected 1080p eyes by overclockers it has a I've got this rising it's a 12 phase or twelve plus three phase VRM so very beefy vrm and as you can see it does have 3/8 pin PCI Express power input so that's the same as what the MSI Lightning Z has it's got a white or sort of a whitish or a silverish PCB it's obviously got a silver backplate massive massive why since our plastic the plastic here so it's got some now it's all plastic I think it's got some LED highlights it looks like looks like this is the Crown's other parts LED it's like I'm almost like translucent silicon that and then you have an LCD display the LCDs display I imagine will give you various statistic readout so you can see things like the GPU frequency the memory frequency things like voltages probably certainly temperatures all that kind of cool information obviously the card in most cases will be horizontal so in like that and you can read the display like that yeah Wow yeah so a very very impressive 1082 I'm probably the most impressive I've seen so far certainly one of the most impressive so big thank you to Levi for setting that in and I'm keen to play a few games on it and run a few temperature tests and things like that I won't say how much Levi paid for it but you guys can probably work it out for yourselves it is selling for about fourteen hundred Ozzie at the moment and about 1,100 u.s. so an extremely expensive premium 1080 CI but it's going to be blistering fast and enable high refresh rate gaming or high resolution gaming or whatever you like yeah I'll put that neatly aside somewhere safe well so far we have to 1080i so one thing's for sure the next episode of unboxing boxes is probably not going to be that exciting I don't think we can top that even the box is highly impressive those are the way it opens with those magnetic sort of doors is pretty cool honestly where do you go from there well we've got an msi box you just wrap the hell out of it so it's not a palette of tiles ms i don't think this is necessary yes it is it is what was advertised on the outside a very cool indeed very cool indeed and I slid it out the wrong way around but you kind of get the idea x3 99 gaming Pro carbon a/c Wow I was supposed to get this board for the main thread' River review which is a few days ago now but MSI had a few shipping problems didn't get it to me in time so now I'm going to have to do a few other things with it I do plan to build myself a thread Ripper editing rig and I think this will be the board I'll use having settled that we should probably take a look okay so we have the AC or ëifí PCI Express x one adapter with the card on it we have a high bandwidth SLI bridge but just a sort of standard looking naked PCB one but it's got a cool dragon on it so there you go we have what I okay this is so you can customize the look of the board I can open it okay well this goes with the board we have a little baggie with many things inside we have some motherboard standoffs a USB cable Wi-Fi antenna RGB cables custom IO shield SATA cables can just just sort of general step stuff you can expect if at the motherboard use the guide a roller art let's have a little board itself oh and there's a little nice badge well that is a pretty cool-looking motherboard that's an impressive looking very I'm heat sink there and it actually has fins Wow and the capacitors on the back even have a heat spreader as well so that's pretty cool in the back of the vrm help deal with a bit of built-up heat on the backside straight away you'll see that you just have USB 3 ports for days looks like there's ten of them ten on the i/o panel another four viol onboard headers looks like there's just the two headers are the 3m 2 slots look quite impressive they've got their sort of their MDOT two heat shields where's a screwdriver so look if they're improved on the previous design okay so you've got a six thermal pad that runs the length of the card it may work well anyway we'll test that out and find out in the future not in an unboxing boxes episode so yeah you have the i/o armor on the DIMM slots and the PCI Express x 16 slots and I think that's about it yeah it looks very unique very cool there'll be a fair bit of RGB lighting there mystic lighting going on the audio solution looks to be quite impressive so you have some Neutrik on gold caps there it's probably a real tech probably a 12 2002 F I'd say to guess I don't know for sure pair of eight pin PCI a so why am I saying PCI pair of eight pin CPU power inputs then you've obviously got the standard 24 pin there's a six pin and that's probably a PCI Express power input there so a bit a bit more power to the PCIe slots help stabilize overclocks and whatnot eight SATA ports no you got to port by the looks of it and I believe it's a thirteen phase of erm on this board so I should allow to hit that magical 4 gigahertz overclock on your 1950 X or 1920 X whatever you go with and yeah really cool-looking board obviously you've got that massive tr4 socket which is why the board's so heavy like every single one of these boards is x3 ninety nine boards and there's the back side of it so yeah pretty cool board it has a heap of fan headers and heap of everything really price-wise I believe it's something like 370 ish us and 640 Australian so yeah it's a pricey board but it's a high-end you know workstation gaming if you will about gaming in the name but anyone who's buying thread ripper just for gaming has a bit of a screw loose it's no doubt good at gaming but like I said in my review if you just gaming via a core i7 7700 K and if you've got a heap of money where you can afford a thousand dollar processor you can afford all this crazy gear to build yourself a thread Ripper system chances are you can also afford to build core i7 7700 K systems to build yourself to computers and yet anyway cool board we'll move on because we do have a lot to get through yeah can you use that board in a build very soon and move far and also in here which I forgot to look at so dragging this out you can see we have the carbon highlights here in here so you can change them through silver or goals at the moment it's sort of a black silver look you can go with stronger silver accents or you can go for a bit of pimp and gold if that's your thing alright well we've already had a high-end motherboard to tune a TTI's it wouldn't be an unboxing boxes episode without a keyboard so I have included suspiciously shaped package once again another keyboard shaped package how do I open this without cutting the product all right looking but I can even beat a keyboard it's a new keyboard suffer I suppose this is the new HyperX hourly elite and I have I did actually request this not touch for review just to unbox it and show you guys this one is the Cherry MX red switches and their original their first ever keyboard from Kingston was their HyperX alloy and that was a fantastic quality keyboard really nice really subtle design for a gaming focused keyboard the only problem was the price I don't know if they got bit more competitive on the price but the pricing was a bit ludicrous last to say for the original alloy it's like the fact that it was a really good quality keyboard this one I think it's a hundred and ten us which is certainly significantly more reasonable I think the previous one was over 150 us that was much more basic than this one is despite being higher quality so 110 dollars us I believe for this model and I don't think it's in Australia I don't have any Australian pricing but let's take a look quite weighty very good okay so it looks like it comes with some textured WASD and a couple of numbered key capsule the key cat remover and that's something I believe Corsair started doing that first but I could be wrong it looks very much like the textured Corsair key caps we're used to seeing I'm very very happy to see that we do have a detachable wrist rest this in my opinion is a must for all keyboards over $100 u.s. it's a really nice one it's got a sort of a smooth sleek kind of plastic sort of feel there but that's got a really rubberized grip e texture for your ladies palms would see when you're typing so that's cool well this is definitely going to find its way onto my desk today as a dedicated keyboard for a while I really really like to look at it this is a that clips on I like it when they are they actually are attached but they move a bit so when you drag the keyboard around your desk it doesn't come off constantly that's really irritating when they do that and very thick braided cable but it it is thick for a reason which I'll get to in a minute as we can see a really really nice clean keyboard it's not sort of its game rush without being over-the-top looking like it's got you know things hangin all off it so some dedicated media buttons up here which are nice got a volume scroll wheel and I use the volume scroll wheel a lot on my g.skill keyboard I love it the g.skill keyboards a bit more bit more childish a bit more game or even though I really like using the keyboard I wish it was a little more sedate certainly like this one is we have the volume wheel something I do love and use a lot now we've got some brightness buttons up here and a few other sort of custom buttons apart from that the layout looks pretty standard it is it is an RGB this one it's so it's got the cherry MX red switches and it's red backlit so kind of following the color scheme of the HyperX range which is black and red so black keyboard red backlighting complementing the red backlighting there is a red well there's a bar a translucent strip across the top here and that glows red so they may have borrowed that one from Corsair as well a bit like the R key caps but anyway kurz there think the k95 platinum was the first keyboard feature a light bulb should I be corrected if it wasn't but it's the first one I was aware of and now we're seeing them much more commonly used and doesn't do anything it's just aesthetic yeah just for aesthetics it looks quite nice I've can see it on the box there you will probably seen it as I'm talking about it actually it just occurred to me because I will later throught some b-roll as I often do but yes we've got some key cap backlighting a nice strip to be a bit eye-catching and then around the back here the reason why this cable this Brailey table is so thick is because it's a pair of USB cable so one is for the keyboard and the other is a pass-through and I don't know if I don't think they're actually labeled which is a little bit annoying no so you kind of have to guess all ones white ones black so probably say in the manual which ones which but yeah it's not obvious just looking at the cables but you do have a USB to pass through so you can you know route your mouse into their stuff like that it's not really good for USB sticks unless they're on the USB too but anyway I passed through which is always a very welcome addition to any high-end mechanical keyboard and you a nice thick braided cable some people don't like the stick cables but it does have a pair of USB two is going through it so somewhat justified around the back here we have two feet just a one-stage height on the feet there there they look like they're quite high-quality feet they snap place quite well and they're down if you push the keyboard back and they don't fold away or forward good so basically with this keyboard if you want to push it back because you want to see something in front of you you can do that and the wrist rest stays attached and the feet stay in whichever position you have them but I'm just finally here very durable keyboard we have a aluminium cover over the whole face of the cable which makes it a bit more rigid thick more durable and it looks really nice should make cleaning a bit easier as well and yeah it is very weighty I believe it's around one and a half kilos so it's about 1500 grams so yeah very nice quality keyboard it's not ridiculously thicker or anything from a mechanical keyboard it's yeah rather slim and yeah I'm going to go plug that in and give it a shot I really like that what are we up to the last box that's gone quickly I think all right see what we got here I've got to try and cut these garbage bags that cutting whatever in the must think I've found a bit of a gap we have something quite nice here I think I should make it a rule for unboxing boxes boxes only I hate these plastic things they do take up less room in my office when I've dealt with them but still we're getting there guys we're getting there well I don't really need to say too much that's what that is and looks like it's up okay and it has its opposition in a way well this has been a very cool unboxing boxes episode because now we have the gigabyte or SX 399 gaming 7 and we also have the do gabite or sx $2.99 gaming 9 the gaming nine is a crazy impressive board I haven't seen the x3 99 gaming 7 model but just briefly looking at that on the box it looks like a very impressive motherboard as well you guys probably want to see the x3 99 the most so let's take a look at that so this board retails for $399 it's something like 620 Aussie dollars so very expensive motherboard all the x 399 boards are very expensive at the moment slightly more than the x2 99 s but I expect pricing to sort of come in line with the X 299 board ZL pre much the same for either the X 299 or X 399 okay so quick a look at what we get with this one so we get another high bandwidth SLI bridge just a pcr naked PCB version we get a little sort of allen key type wrench thing but it's for the it's a Torx socket thing that's for installing the CPU in the tr4 socket so normally you get that with your Rison 3 Percy bu-but gigabyte of included one in case you lose it or whatever we have some velcro straps we have a pair of it looks like thermal sensors there's one there's the other one we have a very cool-looking custom looking i/o shield what we have here it looks like a and an antenna for the probably 802 11 AC Wi-Fi a couple of standoffs looks like there m2 standoffs so you can probably adjust those what do we got here some RGB cables there's two of those the thermal sensor and two a pair of SATA cables and that's 2 SATA cables with this rather expensive motherboard but whatever and then you get stickers okay it's a shame we don't feature the gigabyte boards on the hardware box channel more often because I have to say gigabyte right now producing what are arguably some of the best-looking motherboards on the market right now and this is probably the best-looking x3 99 board I've seen so far it's a mighty impressive it looks really well-made as well like the the heat sinks are actually proper heat sinks so they should do a good job of cooling and yes super feature-rich some really really nice features on this board actually so you've got built onto the board so it's not an expansion card which I quite like as that Intel dual band 802 11 AC Wi-Fi so that's cool you also get the realtek ALC 1220 or do codec and down here you can see these red WI ma audio capacitors so they're quite high and impressive you also go high and any impressive I don't I'm saying and you get those Nietzsche con goals audio caps as well and that will be probably on an isolated section of the PCB there'll be or probably head so amp it's called amp up audio so I'm sure there's some sort of headphone amp and stuff built in there as well so that's no doubt going to be a very good audio solution along with the Intel Wi-Fi you also get it's a single Gigabit Ethernet connector on this one but it is a killer Ethernet thing so the I think it's the e25 hundred yeah I mean they work well they're a bit overrated the killer Ethernet stuff I prefer the Intel stuff myself but it works well enough something I really like about this board is that has a seriously large amount of fan headers so there are eight fan headers in total and gigabyte call them their high bridge fan headers because six of them come with temperature probe sort of inputs next to them or adjacent from the fan header so that's cool and then two of them are designed to put out a bit more amperage for things like water pumps so they weren't below your header up when you plug something that draws a bit too much current so that's very cool and there are at least one or two or three temperature probes included in the package so that's good so you can use those and on board something very cool as well on board are nine probes built onto this motherboard so you can monitor things like the CPU socket the vrm probably the SSDs the chipset temperature things like that so nine strategically located temperature sensors so if you want to know where they are you can probably hop over to the gigabyte website and they'll have a little illustration there of where they all are I'm talking of the m dot two slots we do have three of them so there there there and there and they have very impressive looking heat spreaders on them so they're obviously designed to stop the m dot two drives from throttling we've seen very success with these designs I haven't tested anything from gigabyte yet so I'm pretty keen a chucker samsung 960 pro in there see how that goes so yeah that's a quick look a bit of an overview of the gigabyte Oris gaming what is it was 7 yes the 7 so yeah very cool motherboard very expensive motherboard I'm not sure what I'll do with this board it's the MSI one my personal build but I'm going to have to do a build with this board as well because yeah it's really cool I might do some testing on those MDOT - heat spreader shield type things as well so there you go all right we probably should check out the X 299 board and then I'll tell you a little bit about what I think's going on with my Vega sample which sadly I don't have as we speak so yeah anyway this is a much bigger box even heavier so I'm not sure what extras you're getting this one yeah it's a very similar-looking motherboard equally impressive obviously you put the LGA 2066 socket on this one Wow okay that's probably one of the reasons why it's so heavy you have a massive aluminium backplate look at that on the back of this thing so there's no thermal pads or anything it's just it is just a backplate but yeah well that's pretty impressive that did pretty much sit against you case that backplate anyway and it looks like the IO shield is pre-installed and can't be removed which is kind of cool you can't lose then you can't forget to install it nothing worse than getting everything installed and then realizing you haven't done that enough to take everything back out so gigabyte have saved you from that pain and embarrassment so the inside looks like a similar package we won't go through a lot over again and you guys have probably seen reviews on the x-29 gaming nine and again I'm not exactly sure what I'll do with this board probably some sort of build or something we'll definitely feature it yet on the channel because it is a very very cool looking board again you get those MDOT two ports with the heat spreaders plenty of power input pair of eight pins so you should be able to run some fairly high and start like X CPUs on this and have a relatively good overclocking success providing you have ample cooling be a very cool board so that's going to wrap up the unboxing boxes portion of unboxing boxes big thanks to Levi for sending this in love the card I'll be as quick as I can checking it out and then I'll pass that on to you this week so you can get it in base excited as I was to install at your system and check it all out yeah very nice car - congratulations on that purchase I'm pretty sure you're going to love it now then we've got some cool gigabyte motherboards the X 399 board's variable can't wait to check that out very keen to build my new personal editing rig with the MSI extra night onboard that'll be good hopefully probably be two weeks before I'll get to that because I just have a lot on at the moment which I'll probably discuss in a moment my new keyboard I'm definitely using that one because I that looks great all you guys know how it goes um and yeah I think that's I'm we've got the just another 1080 TOI from gala so whatever yeah so and I'll put this somewhere safe and I'll knock that off so a short story on my RX Vega sample which will probably end up being a long story because whenever I say something short I just ramble on none of this is stricted none of this is official information I think this is me telling you guys a story better behind the scenes stuff on what's happening with my Vega our example so as many of you know our X of a is being released on Monday it'll be 11 p.m. my time so Monday night and I was working on thread Ripper all last week in unity knowing aware that Vega rx was incoming so I was like yeah as soon as I get this thread Ripper stuff done which was as you guys saw a heap of testing I'm gonna have to shift gears into Vega Rx and I want to do over 20 games for my day 1 review and I have updated all the GeForce 10 Series stuff I've added the rx 580 the fury X so all those figures and all those numbers were updated I started on Thursday so the second thread Ripper was done uploaded I changed you straight to retesting all the graphics cards and like I said 20 games three resolutions tourney P 1440p 4k I started getting a lot done and yeah so I knew Vega rx was incoming so I emailed AMD on Monday what's to go one of the samples arriving it's going to be a tight turnaround it looks like and they said you'll have it Wednesday some great I'll get it Wednesday that means I'll have possibly some time on Wednesday or Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday and then Monday I can get the review the video done so that's a bit of time there anyway get to Wednesday no sample ok what's going on here email AMD we're having some problems with the shipment it's been delayed yet we'll let you know heard nothing Thursday my AMD contact gareth who really does look after as well in australia he he said he sent me an email saying but i've got to bring you this afternoon having major dramas okay so he rings me up Thursday asked in explains that the shipments been delayed they have no control over it so yeah that sucks who said so we've formulated a back-up plan so the Vegas 64 cards or what was coming in the shipment for the Ozzy reviewers so myself and others and that's nothing by missing which has been heavily delayed they're expecting it maybe Friday if they're lucky but probably Monday which means you know I'm not going to get it till Wednesday which is days after the release so we miss out and that sucks because you guys are no doubt waiting for me to do it but testing which I want to do so they said yeah we've we've formulated a back-up plan we're now having an a.m. the employee flight out of the us with some Vega 56 cards in their luggage bring it to Sydney I'm in Victoria then my contact Gareth is going to grab one of the cards jump on a plane fly to Melbourne on Sunday morning which is now I'll explain that a bit more a second pass the card off to me or someone and then get it to me hopefully someday I can start testing I pretty much won't sleep Sunday night get all the testing done hopefully then Monday appear on camera for you guys looking completely wrecked as I often do and put together a video hopefully get that out by 11 p.m. tomorrow night so that's that's the plan its I live two hours from the airport and the Melbourne Airport so it's not really just a hop in the car go get it sort of thing it's four hours out of my day and I still have a bit of testing to do and I wanted to do this unboxing boxes episode because I just want a heap of stuff backing up and it's getting worse by the day so my dad came to the rescue and he said look I'll head out to the airport for you I'll meet Gareth get the card off him and bring it back to you so big thanks to my dad what a legend saving me big-time there it's a for hours right now is a huge time saving because every hour counts so I'm hoping to have Eric Baker in hand in the next hour or two and my dad gets you and then I'll get testing you guys will be watching this video by later on this afternoon once it's edited and whatnot so hopefully I'll be flat out into the testing we won't have much time to reply to comments but I'll always be checking yeah hopefully hopefully I can get all the testing done like I said pull an all-nighter get it all done hopefully not make any silly mistakes and get you guys a video tomorrow night but like I said yeah I'm testing over 20 games so I've never ever attempted to do it and that sort of timeframe for video so we'll see how we go if not it'll probably be Tuesday night but I'll get it up but anyway so that's where I'm at good times lots of fun and yes so Vega 56 I believe is what I'll be bringing you guys invader 64 will come later on in the week when I recover so that's that so I better get on out of here go get editing and hopefully yeah get started on some Vega RX testing or RX Vega you know what I mean all right guys thanks for watching if you watch this far appreciate you and I'll see you again real soon I'm a hairy Steve bye
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