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welcome back to hammer on box today we are going to compare how the risin 9 3,900 ex performs using both the where is it so here the Wraiths prism RGB box cooler we're going to compare how it performs using that as well as a big old 360 millimeter all-in-one liquid cooler and the particular model I'll be using for this test is the castle 360 X from deep cool got the new anti League technology and all that good stuff anyway we'll be comparing how those two coolers perform on the 3100 X and kind of interesting tests because in my reviews of the 3700 X and 300 X actually I did the same for the 36 as well I used the Box cooler for all of those reviews though for the 3600 it was the Wraith stealth yeah getting a bit away from the point I'm trying to make here I used the included box coolers and I did this for a good reason but I also anticipated doing so would upset a few AMD fans now I clearly explained why I used a box cooler but I gave that explanation knowing full well that there'd be a few crazy AMD fans that just wouldn't accept that and say that I was paid by Intel or whatever to use the Box cooler which is obviously a whole load of nonsense but you know you can't help that sort of thing it seems anyway the reason I use the Box coolers because my initial testing showed that although the 3100 X and 3700 X did boost better with improved cooling we were only talking about very small percentage gains very very tiny increases in frequency especially when considering what clock speeds they ran out anyway with this cooler so yeah those small increases in clock speed had a little to no impact on performance unfortunately some AMD fans didn't realize I was doing AMD a solid by testing their CPUs with the included box cooler as his heavily swing things in their favor when it came to the cost analysis I should also note that I wasn't trying to give AMD an unfair advantage either rather I just wanted to leverage what they had to offer I couldn't very well show performance with an expensive all-in-one liquid cooler and then base my price to performance breakdown on the Box cooler would be a little underhanded at the same time I wasn't out to completely destroy Intel's price to performance either so I didn't factor in the cost of the one hundred and sixty five dollar u.s. Corsair all-in-one liquid cooler rather a budget for a decent $75 US air cooler I did this because I already know that out of the box the core i 919 a hurricane will deliver the exact same performance using the be quite dark rock pro 4 anyway now that I have baseline performance established I do plan to provide an extremely in-depth benchmark later this week comparing the 3100 X and 99 or K head-to-head in over 30 games both stock and overclocked for these stock settings our 3100 X will still use the Box cooler but for the overclocked results it will be upgraded to the same liquid cooler used by the Intel processor but before we do that I thought it would be a good idea to show just what kind of a difference upgrading the cooling makes when it comes to gaming and application performance and just quickly before we get into the benchmark results meet as Rox new flagship Zed 390 motherboard the phantom gaming X it's packed with loads of upgrades including a six hundred amp capacity 12 phase V core VRM 2.5 Gigabit LAN with an additional two Gigabit LAN connectors Wi-Fi six creative Sound Blaster cinema 5 loads of USB 3.0 ports SATA ports and m2 ultra ports there's also a number of really nice design elements such as integrated i/o shield stainless steel PCIe covers a massive heat sink for cooling the MDOT two drives a metal backplate and much much more so for more information please check the link in the video description we're just finally all testing has been conducted with the riser 939 rx on the gigabyte x5 17 horas extreme at using ddr4 3200 cell 14 memory and the graphics card of choice is the MSI r-tx 2082 a gaming extra Oh first up let's just have a look at the average all core clock speed when running them blender open data benchmark this is a very heavy workload so clock speeds are lower than what you'll see when gaming and running a less stressful workload also please note these aren't the peak clock speeds seen when running this benchmark rather they are the average so as you can see the 3100 X in its stock out of the box trim four gigahertz in this test with the Wraiths prism box cooler the castle 360 X did allow the CPU to boost up to four point one gear Hertz and that's just a two and a half percent increase interestingly that margin doesn't change with PB o plus Auto AC enabled in the rise and Master software the liquid cooler still allowed for a two and a half percent increase in clock speed averaging just four point one five gigahertz in this stress test so even if we compare the stock result using the Box cooler to the overclocked result using the liquid cooler we're still only seeing a four percent increase in frequency for this test now looking at the total render time and blender we see that the liquid cooler improved stock performance by just a single percent and we see the same thing when looking at the overclocked results we're all certainly looking at a mere one percent performance difference in corona basically the upgraded cooler shaves a second off the completion time so what about gaming performance which isn't nearly as CPU demanding at least right now for a 12 core processor well we see virtually no change in performance when upgrading the cooler in Apex legends one FPS is within the margin of error though it seemed pretty clear that the slight increase in frequency did typically yield better results much the same as seen when testing with Rainbow six siege in fact here we see no performance difference with PB o plus Auto C enabled it's a bit of a shame you can't squeeze much more performance out of these third gen rising processors but I guess that leaves something for AMD to improve upon for their next generation vermintide 2 shows up to a one-and-a-half percent performance improvement from upgrading the cooler though we do see margins as small as half a percent so I don't imagine to many of you will invest money in an upgraded cooler just for these mega FPS gains but there is still a reason to upgrade and we'll discuss that in a moment unsurprisingly we see the exact same story when testing with World of Tanks he's spending more money by upgrading the cooling provided no additional performance so I guess the next question is then how much cooler is the 3900 X running with the deep core Castle 360 ax well the good news is quite a bit cooler stock the 3900 X drop down from 86 degrees with the Box cooler running at a very audible 2,900 rpm while the castle 360 X reduced temperatures to just 68 degrees with the three radiator fans around 1900 rpm so that's an 18 degree drop in temperature we do see a similar thing when overclocking here the liquid cooler was 19 degrees cooler we're also running a bit quieter however even at just 1900 rpm 3 120-millimeter fans were far from silent so let's turn them down a bit further and see what we end up with spinning the fans down to just over a thousand rpm it made the castle 360 X basically silent there's certainly no way you'll hear this thing in your system if you have a few case fans and yet despite that temperatures only increase slightly so it seems the real advantage to using an upgraded cooler something like this all in one liquid cooler is the reduction in operating volume so there you have it follow these stock configuration the riser 930 900 X doesn't need a great big cooler strapped on to it for maximum performance and it certainly doesn't require liquid cooling even with PPO enabled you won't gain much more performance by upgrading the cooler I'm not saying you shouldn't upgrade the cooler mind you I'm it's perfectly legitimate thing to do if you'll want to seek lower temperatures and quiet operating volumes I'm just saying that it won't improve performance beyond a few percent as we just saw so for that reason I decided to test the 3900 X with the Box cooler so I didn't have to factor in the cost of additional cooling such as this thing here when I was making my cost per frame analysis for gamers the Wraith prism it is even less of an issue really because games don't load up all 12 cores and place them under excessive load for long periods of time in fact when gaming the fan speed was generally around 2,000 rpm anyway so it was much quieter than what we see when stress testing with blender for those that missed it when comparing just the CPU price the value of these higher end third generalising parts don't look so great for gamers the 3900 X for example costs quite a bit more than the 9900 K while the 3700 X matched the 9700 K however the Intel processors don't come with a cooler and they demand a rather good one on the other hand as you just saw the 3100 X works perfectly fine with the Box cooler so adding $75 to the price for the Intel CPUs for something like the dark rock 4 really changes the picture now the 3100 X is a whisker cheaper than 99 or okay while the 3,700 X is a lot cheaper than the 97 okay and in fact matches the value of the 9600 K so if you care about value then the included box cooler really does help out but on the other hand if you just want to build a beastly PC that can smash rendering tasks faster than any other sub 500 a CPU and you aren't on a tight budget then sticking a more effective cooler on the Theon rx certainly won't hurt so anyway that's all the testing I'll leave it up to you guys to decide whether or not you think it's worth upgrading the Box cooler does something better probably depends on what particular model you're buying all that sort of stuff anyway let me know in the comments section below personally I think ignoring the value of the Box cooler would have been a mistake in my day one reviews and well any review of these third gen parts so that's just my personal opinion but again love to know what you guys think so drop me a comment below anyway that is going to end it for this one if you liked the video be sure the like button you can subscribe for more content and if you appreciate with your our box then 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