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what's up guys James $0.02 here and it is Vega embargo day which means your inbox is obviously exploded with Vega 64 and Vega 56 all over your subscription feed and this video is no exception but hey at least I made an embargo date now there is a whole lot of information to talk about with the new Vega architecture and I'm not planning on going really deep down that rabbit hole there's a lot of information out there is a lot of good news outlets and journalism in the tech realm that are going to be covering all of that stuff so the information is there if you want to find it so I'm going to talk about a couple of things here I'm going to talk about gaming and I'm gonna talk about compute because I feel like this card definitely fills a gap where there is a need and we're going to do a kind of a quick rundown of specs so the Vegas 64 it's got 64 compute units that's why it's called Vegas is before you can you guess how much the 56 has yep you're right 48 of them no I'm just kidding obviously that's 56 when it comes to core speed here we have got a twelve hundred and forty seven megahertz clock speed on the 64 with a turbo clock of fifteen hundred and forty six so obviously the improvement in clock speed is there versus Fiji what we saw on theory because that was sitting right around 1150 if I remember correctly then the Vega 56 comes in at eleven hundred and fifty-six megahertz one day fourteen hundred and seventy one megahertz turbo clock so I'm impressed to see that they've been able to pull more clock speed out of the HBM - especially with where they came from HP m1 now I know why you guys are here it's because you guys are interested in gaming performance but trust me when I say there is way more to these cards than just game performance but you also have to kind of know where they stack up so there was a lot of anticipation that HB m2 and Vega was going to come out and just decimate the 1080 Ti when it comes to high-end gaming and unfortunately that's not where it's placed in the lineup it's not placed against the 1080 Ti nowhere near the Titan X Pascal it's actually in the market for gaming anyways - but right up against the GTX 1080 there it is right there it's going to put up there without falling there we go and then the Vegas 56 as you can probably guess by now is placed against the 1070 I don't want to knock that over so that's basically what you're going to see right now on these benchmarks as we move word 64 versus 1080 and 56 versus 1070 so with all that talking out of the way let's just go ahead and get right to the numbers now let's talk about a couple of things with those benchmarks that you just saw obviously all four of these cards are founders edition cards all four of these cards will hit their temperature max if you allow them to so what I did to try and level the playing field was I up the band curb on all four of these cards slightly but I didn't touch core clock I didn't touch memory clock power target none of that stuff I just didn't want the cooler themselves to be holding back the performance of the core considering the fact that there are going to be custom cards available for Vega which will alleviate a lot of the temperature Headroom which we are pumping our head up against and obviously there are custom 1080 cards available on the market as well the other thing too is when it comes to price I used two pricing for the standard air-cooled card and not the limited edition card because there's no performance difference between those cards I confirmed with AMD that the only difference is the aesthetics of the shroud and the backplate and has nothing to do with performance increase with this card whatsoever obviously the liquid-cooled card right which wasn't even included in today's video does cost more and has better cooling and moreover overclocking Headroom and all that stuff so we're not even talking about that today so that's why for pricing I used the black cooler like you see on the 56 right here that's also available on the 64 now if you pay close attention in those benchmarks you'd see there's a pretty interesting picture that's been painted here in what Nvidia has done between two different series of cards the 70 series and 80 series obviously on Pascal and these 56 and the 64 and that AMD seems should brought the performance of these cards closer together then Nvidia did with their 70 and 80 series card so you've got the Vegas 56 which is beating the 1070 in just about everything but you've got the 1080 which is edging out the Vegas 64 in just about everything but of course there is some there were some strange outcomes here where for instance in Metro last slide it really seemed to favor the Nvidia cards where it definitely pulled way ahead of both Vega 56 and 64 but if you took a look at the division then the Vega pulled way ahead it of the Pascal cards and then if you look at wildlands which again is that although it's a Tom Clancy game it's not the same developers or the same engine there's a modified engine they're used in wildlands Nvidia pulled ahead again so it really depends on the titles and I'm hoping that there's going to be some optimization as time goes on in terms of being able to fully leverage the amount of raw horse power that exists in Vega because if you want to talk raw horse power there's definitely more of it in Vega than there is in Pascal least of 70 and 80 series Pascal if you take a look at its compute performance because I'm looking at notes here because I won't get these numbers wrong here if we talk about Vegas 64 here Vegas 64 has 12.6 gigaflops of performance when it comes to floating-point performance versus the 8.2 gigaflops found in the GTX 1080 now if you're using software that can actually take advantage of that type of compute power then you're going to get a much better value with the 64 and a slightly lesser price point than the GTX ten-eighty giving you a more rounded experience where your GPU is more useful in more situations than just quote-unquote gaming now looking at the Vegas 56 it's pretty impressive because that the $400 price point they have exceeded the 10 gigaflops performance figures when it comes to floating point at 10.5 versus only five point seven on the gtx 1070 so double the floating point performance when it comes to the 1070 so again the same situation where if you and premier loves premier will take advantage of the horsepower in Vega big time so it really depends on what you're doing with your graphics cards and there's always more than just gaming when it comes to GPS especially in today's day and age right obviously I hate to even mention it but cryptocurrency has been taken advantage of graphics cards you guys have seen what has happened to pricing because of it and man I'm kind of fearful for the market for these Vega cards if they're just as good or that much better but yeah you can see that if you're looking for pro workflow and with the amount of stuff that's locked down on the 1070 and 1080 just how much they want to force people into their pro series of cards to get that level of performance AMD's just laying it all out there it's completely unlocked available everything is there they're not they're not stripping down features on a software level and that's a good thing obviously now let's go ahead and talk about thermals and power consumption for a minute because that's important too right with all of that compute stuff out of the way in gaming this is another huge portion of what these cards you know it that you should consider there's actually three power profiles per BIOS on here and there's two BIOS on these card so it's a total six different power profiles depending on where the switch is toggled so you have a balanced which is kind of normal mode you have a power saver mode and you have a turbo mode and of course you have custom where you can change everything on you can change the cloth states the fan curve the power consumption you can undervolt it you can do all kinds of stuff but power consumption on these cards is pretty heavy in comparison to the 70 and 80 series pascal cards which only top out around 180 so there is definitely a lot to consider here when it comes to power consumption so if you want to look at FPS per what Nvidia is definitely winning in that category it definitely goes without saying that Vega has certainly certainly power-hungry that's why you've got to eight pin power plugs on here and you know if you're using a workflow though that can take advantage of all of those gigaflops then you're probably pulling a lot of water turn the wall anyway let's say when I mentioned though is there does seem to be an improvement on the fan design not necessarily in terms of cooling but aesthetics where they have certainly made the blower style cooler a bit less noisy than it used to be in fact it's running right here next to me I have turned down the ban curve a little bit though because I didn't want to be picked up on the mic but they have made an improvement to the fan they've made a little bit larger there's more surface area but it does a pretty good job at not being too intrusive and it has a nice just smooth feeling to it we're back when like the RX 470 and 480 came out that was also using a blower self and it just was choppy and was inconsistent and Hetal it just was not pleasant to the ears it definitely made an improvement to the fan so that's good to see so as I said in beginning this video if you're looking for a deeper dive into the rabbit hole of all of the specs and all the architecture when it comes to these new graphics cards from AMD then definitely check out some of the other journalists out there that are doing a fantastic job of covering that level of detail but I hope at least what I've showed you guys today gives you some sort of picture of what to expect on a more mainstream consumer who might not be as interested in talking about HPCC or high bandwidth cache controller and stuff like that because some of you I know me personally I'm just like show me the numbers and those are some of the numbers I have to present so hopefully you guys have enjoyed it tell me what you guys think of Vega though I know some of you are be disappointed hoping that this was going to knock nvidia off of its pedestal of being the fastest GPUs in the world but I guess it really again considers yet to really consider what is fastest right its fastest in floating-point precision and its assets in gaming that's a lot of fastest out there so you guys tell me what you think sound off in the comments below and as always thanks for watching and I'll see you in the next one