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now ever since AMD teased their ashes the singularity benchmark showing that two of these guys at just under two thirds the price of a single GTX attend 80 founders Edition was actually beating it so obviously people have ran with that saying that that means that two of these are better than a 1080 in pretty much every instance well let's go ahead and find out today on whether or not that's true because fortunately I've now got my hand on two of these little beasts what are you doing I start it's time for an upgrade that's little Jays Xbox ah much better how did you even get in here yes made a key last time I was here no big deal well I could go for a drink right about now though I kind of feel like you've already done this whole living room thing before no there's a different channel these are horrible man well you are breaking in anyway no not I've witnesses the new defined nano s from fractal design supports full-size power supplies full-length graphics cards room for a complete custom water loop and heck even room for a couple of freeloaders put the link in the description for more details tractor Josh not included we should order pizza now a couple things to kind of get out of the way here first of all I want to say huge thank you to Ed over at tech source for sending me his rx4 80 because as you guys know we were all sent one of these and that kind of made a lot of people in the public really like what the heck man AMD showed these crossfire results and I didn't send anybody two cards and that means we couldn't test it so I reached out ed responded and pretty much right away he like responded immediately saying hey man you can borrow my card so I was like sure absolutely so do me a favor guys look in the description check out the link to his channel check out his rx 40 review he's also going to be doing a crossfire review because I'll be sending him my card in exchange you know for scratching my back because butt itches it's been itching for a while and I couldn't reach it and he got that for me because you know he's a bro so anyway I'm gonna send him my card and you guys can see the same results over on his channel as well the other thing to mention here is there's obviously been a lot of controversy especially on reddit over the last couple of days about power consumption on this guy and PCI e-cigs standards and whether or not it's pulling too much power through the motherboard I'm not going to comment on that because it's obviously a very deep issue I don't know obviously a whole lot about it but there's a lot of controversy saying it's out of spec and other people are chiming in saying no it's in spec and then supposedly PCIe sig said no it's fine there's no problems there's no issues here that it's not going to damage your motherboard so I don't know so I don't even want to comment on that but I will say that I did not run into any sort of hardware issue with running two of these for what two days now in crossfire can pig come Pig config I guess crossfire could be kind of a compact at power consumption depending which card you're using but anyway I digress that's that's pointless we're not going to talk about that today because that's just admittedly an issue that's much deeper than my comprehension on the standards for a PCIe slot power draw but I will say that I did not run into any issues while doing my testing and it also goes to show that apparently if you look at any cards power draw almost all of them pull more than 75 watts from the PCIe slot and then if you overclock it you pull even more than that so if you've ever overclocked card guess what you've pretty much gone out of standard so there's that anyway enough of that let's go ahead get into results and then we'll talk about this and whether or not it's even worth to consider doing that's always the point of these videos is it worth it okay so as you guys could see by looking at the benchmarks these two cards lived just in the shadow of the GTX ten eighty founders Edition and was nipping at its heels the entire time now some people look at that and go see see there was a lie it was a lie no it wasn't a lie because I only showed asynchronous compute game like ashes of the singularity which we know AMD is better at so I didn't actually test that because again I don't know how to use the damn benchmark and I'm willing to admit it I keep getting extremely sporadic results sometimes FPS down into the 30s while running 1080p so again so I didn't want to use the benchmark I just it's confusing to me and I'm too stupid to figure it out so that's why I just stuck to my usual lineup of like GTA 5 and Crysis and witcher and far cry and a good mixture of both nvidia and AMD titles obviously firestrike is in there this thing has the highest score amongst the entire configs I tested in fire strike but as you guys know you can't take a synthetic benchmark like fire strike and convert it to real-world experience when it comes to games synthetic benchmarks don't use nearly as much RAM that means nearly as much CPU and they also scale nearly perfectly but that doesn't mean the developers have scaled it when it comes to the games so that's why my testing testing methodology is the way that it is but also one thing to keep in mind too is yeah this thing did not exceed the GTX 1080 and pretty much any of the games that I tried out but it was right there was like literally biting the heels like a rabid Chihuahua at the GTX 1080 the entire time at just under 2/3 the cost that's the thing that's actually worth mentioning these come in at 478 dollars in a crossfire config $239 MSRP for the 8 gigabyte model nipping at the freaking heels of a GTX 1084 considerably considerably less to over $200 less that's a big deal you could buy you could buy two of these for one rig and another one for another computer for less than it would cost for a single GT X 1080 founders Edition and that's kind of a big deal to me but one other thing to also mention is these were running at stock speeds so if you overclock these the extra hundred megahertz they were capable of then it does go just past the 1080 but if you overclock the 1080 on the flipside which we all know it's very good at then it pulls even farther ahead like way farther ahead but again for something that cost more you would kind of expect it to do better I would hope anyway one of the thing to also mention though is although these were better than a single 1070 in pretty much every instance they do cost about forty to fifty dollars more than a 1070 so that's also something worth keeping in mind and you're going to use a lot more power because these cards are about a hundred and sixty watts apiece just over the 150 TDP they advertise depending on whether or not it gets to ramp up or fan speed that there are things that play there so these do consume about twice the amount of power as a gtx 1070 which means more heat in the room and more noise now I didn't mention thermals and I didn't mention noise because blower style coolers like this from AMD they suck they really do suck in fact blower styles in general are loud and they're extremely inefficient at their method of cooling so we just need to wait for board partner cards to come out with our multi fan configurations to see how they really stack up which is nice because that means you have more overclocking Headroom with better temperatures especially on AMD and that means the acoustics are also going to come down quite a bit but these sounded like a freaking ac-130 going down the runway when these were under load they were really loud but also - one thing to keep in mind my motherboard configuration for crossfire instead of having dual slot spacing like that forced them to be like this so this card did get up to 85 C under load but it didn't rattle it stayed at 1200 and 66 that's a good thing so that really brings us into the portion about whether or not it's worth it and you've got to ask yourself what games do you play are you primarily an indie game or are you a side scroller do you play MOBAs do you play games that typically just don't require a lot of demand from your graphics card if that's true then two of these might not be the best option for you one of them would be more than sufficient to play games like Starcraft and League of Legends and all that with all settings maxed all the eye candy up and have a great gaming experience but that also means you'd never even consider something like a 1080 if that was your gaming expectation anyway but I am really pleased to see that it scaled very very well on the triple-a titles that I played with now there that's not to say though that it was completely bug free in Crysis 3 on 4k I was getting some weird textures on the water with it was some really weird flickering that was only there in 4k it wasn't there in 3 and 1440 and it wasn't there in 1080 and it was the only game that had any sort of issue with but actually before filming this video but after doing my testing I did get notification from AMD that they actually have an updated driver to actually address some crossfire config stuff and even give a little bit more performance to crossfire so we're already seeing drivers pumped out from a Indies camp which is a good thing because there was always this huge stigma of the AMD drivers suck and then the next year it's like oh the Nvidia drivers suck and then the next year it's like ah both companies drivers suck an AMD was actually pretty bad with going a long time for a while there with no wickel certified drivers and only dealing with betas and lots of bugs but it seems like that might be squared away but at the end of the day I can't say whether or not this is worth it to you you're going to just have to see the benchmarks that are out there look at everyone doing crossfire testing and look at the games they're using the settings they're using and try and determine if you can get a better gaming experience versus what you have now with two of these personally I would always recommend if you're on a budget going with the fastest single card you can get versus any sort of lower end crossfire config I never personally recommend going with to lower cards in place of a single high-end card because you introduce things like the glitching textures like I just showed you with crisis or you deal with driver optimization or you deal with the devs or the devs even going to code for crossfire you know it's one of those things with the single card you're always supported but if you're just enthusiast and you like having multiple graphics card do you think it looks cool then that's something you could do too you know and are these gonna actually be supported for water cooling that's another thing people ask me yes they are actually I have ek water blocks on the way right now as we speak so I can actually do some water cooling testing on this which is going to be interesting because I also usually never recommend water cooling a graphics card this cheap I would usually recommend taking the extra hundred bucks the block costs and putting it into a better card but who knows might as well test it since it's on the way but anyway guys tell me what you thought about this again when it comes to the PCIe slot thing let that one play out I have no idea I have no idea the players involved there I have no idea who even like started this rumor or why I don't think it's going to blow up your the board based on what PCI usig is saying that the slots the slots apparently are good for up to 300 watts and someone was saying that in tech talk the other night but I don't know enough about that standard to say it's going to hurt anything I didn't experience any issues with running two of these and even playing around with overclocking so who knows maybe I'll set up a low-end test rig like a budget motherboard and a budget CPU and set it up and just let it run and loop under load and see if anything goes pop and sizzle I don't think anything will but maybe that's worth the test hit like if you want me to do that test anyway guys thanks for watching I'll see you in the next video and as always have a great day actually normally I say as always see in the next video but I want you guys to have a great day damn it it's the weekend enjoy it alright see you in the next one I just kicked the camera amateur hour at its best