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what's up guys JC sends here and I'm gonna kick off my rise in the second generation coverage with some overclocking a little bit of a guide more or less taking you guys along for the ride because we got some new features here with Rison 2nd gen I want to kind of test out we've obviously got some faster speeds especially with the 2700 X I want to see whether or not these faster speeds have reduced the amount of overclocking Headroom we have or if we can still maximize even more potential out of these CPUs so today we're gonna we're gonna test all of this we're gonna test some cooling we're gonna see how this thing does in Cinebench and then yeah I guess we're just gonna kind of see what happens we're gonna take you guys along for that ride today's video is sponsored by Squarespace and whether you need a domain a website or an online store make it with Squarespace easy to use templates make creating an online identity even easier and doesn't require any coding or programming and when 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integrates seamlessly with the motherboard and we're running 16 gigabytes of g.skill Sniper X memory which is again rise and optimized and it's rated at 3400 megahertz I believe CL 15 is as tight as the timing can go but we're gonna play around with a little bit of that as well some of the other things I want to test out is Rison first-generation was extremely dependent on memory speed we're quite often there was more of a performance gain to be had by overclocking your memory as fast as possible then rather than touching the core speed at all in fact I believe Gabe Nexxus did a very in-depth video showing leaving the core speed where it was and increasing the memory speed was a direct benefit to the infinity fabric which showed more regains in performance and results both in gaming as well as synthetic benchmarks and even real-world tasks like Adobe and blender and stuff like that then touching the core clock but AMD Rises on 2nd gen talks about more efficiency and better latency when it comes to memory interacting with the CPU so that may not be as much of the case this time so that's something that I definitely want to check now the reason why I'm using Cinebench r15 is because it's free it's consistent and it's something that you guys can download on your own and actually share your results so if you want to follow along download city bench r15 doesn't matter what hardware you're using just download it run your tests and in the comments below once you guys put in there your system specs and what your score was that way we can all see exactly how we're kind of comparing to one another especially if you're considering getting rise in 2nd gen and you're currently on 1st gen share those figures so that you can see whether or not it's even worth upgrading from first gen or not so with that said let's go ahead and start tinkering now got Ryze and master open here but I'm gonna be using the Asus BIOS to actually do all of my overclocking I'm kind of old school and that I don't like using software that's built into the OS do my overclocking I want it to happen at the ground level of everything that's happening with the system but the reason why I'm even got I've even got rise in master openness for two reasons one I want to check out the temperatures and two I want to see what's happening with the core clock so you can see here they're all kind of bouncing around on the 1800 X you would have one core that would jump up to 4 gigahertz and the rest would state about 3600 megahertz under load and that's because it wasn't overclocking all of the the course but what's happening now with the new algorithm here is it's actually smoothing out those cores where instead of having one that's pegged and the rest kind of running at their base clock you're running more of them closer to the turbo clock based on things like over power draw Headroom as well as temperature Headroom so it's all on its own without us touching anything that is already dynamically adjusting itself to try and get the most performance out of it now there's other features built into motherboards that can handle this that can do it automatically so if you're doing overclocking you want to make sure that those are turned off as well but it's important to note that we are sitting exactly in the factory settings that are coming from BIOS I don't believe the core enhancements turned on but we'll take a look at that when we get into the into the BIOS but that's one to sort of show show this right here where it's gonna jump all around between 4.1 and 4.2 depending on the type of load that were under and how much power is being drawn so let's go into our base run here I'm going to do two runs one with the Rison master open to see temperatures and then I'm gonna close it because risin master does give a little bit of a hit to performance so we got the test running on the background you can see we're sitting at 46 C 47 48 48 and a half looks like we're gonna sit right about 48.5 C which is obviously giving us tons of temperature Headroom we don't even have these fans running Macs yet if we take a look at our score here as soon as this is done we got a 1617 and again that was with Ryze and master open so I'm gonna close this now and I'm gonna go ahead and run this one more time to see there's any improvement okay so jumped up a little bit to 1628 not a great score not a terrible score but considering everything is factory nothing has been touched that's actually pretty good now temperatures are actually doing really well as well it's also important to note I should have said this earlier make sure your desktop performance mode is set to high performance you're running all the latest BIOS all the latest drivers which of course we are so that's important to note so yes we're gonna save this result and now we're gonna go ahead and reboot into BIOS so here's what our base settings look like we've got a frequency of 30 700 megahertz because that's the base clock on this one our temps are sitting at about 34 not bad cuz hearing BIOS puts a small load on base clock 100 that's normal core voltage is actually pretty high i'm surprised they put this much voltage to it factory 1.46 - that's a lot of volts and then our ratios 37 so the reason why you get that clock is it's a base clock times the ratio gives you that number so 100 times 37 or 3700 as you can see our memories at 21 33 voltage at 1.2 and then our capacity is 16 gigabytes so we're gonna go over here to the extreme Tweaker and no that's not because it's legal in California now that's just with the calling it a overclock tuner we're going to set to manual that means we don't want it doing anything for us you could see there's all these different preset over clocks Auto default manual we're just gonna set it to manual because we want control of everything we're gonna leave it in synchronous mode this is something kind of new image asynchronous mode and asynchronous mode for the sake of simplicity we're gonna keep it as synchronous we're gonna sync everything and we're gonna leave our beat clock frequency at 100 could have left it at Auto but I just like to type it in performance enhancer we're gonna leave that at Auto actually set it to default I don't know exactly what its gonna increase it says right here maintain booths frequencies longer resulting in higher performance level 3 and 4 overclock settings which might not work with all CPUs so again we don't want any automated overclocking we want to control this now our CPU core ratio I'm gonna set this to 40 we're gonna go straight to 4 gigahertz I don't think we're gonna have any problems running that our performance bias set to auto set to none we don't want to have any Cinebench 15 automatic you know overclocking helped in their memory frequency we're gonna leave the memory like I said I want to test and see what happens if we overclock frequency for CPU or overclock frequency for memory and then do the two together and see if anything could be combined for our best results so I'm testing to see if we're seeing good improvements without touching memory first for performance boost so to auto I guess I automatically overclock the CPU and DRAM to enhance system performance we're gonna disable that because we don't want it doing that for us as I've said a bunch of times we're leave our voltage where it's at I I feel it's kind of high but I want to see what Auto voltage does if we go too high on volts then it might reduce our clocks because again it's looking for things like temperature and power draw if it draws too much power then we're gonna have a problem okay so we jumped up to seventeen hundred and sixty-nine so I'm gonna go ahead and save this I'm gonna open rise and master we're gonna do it again because I again I want to see what the cores are doing and I want to see what our temperature is doing is I'm gonna start the test and with rising master open you can see everything is just sitting at four gigahertz our temperatures rose a couple of degrees we're sitting at fifty point two five C so obviously we still have a lot of overclocking Headroom but I look at our core voltage under load it dropped down to 1.30 and I assume that's going to because of light load calibration so we're gonna do now is just keep incremental e increasing our multiplier until we get a crash at stocked voltage if we get a crash at stock voltage then what we'll do is we'll try playing with the voltage a little bit to see exactly where we can get it to kind of come back to life without pumping too much voltage in it because then the temperatures will just climb exponentially well go 241 all cores and do it again 4.1 past our score jumped up to 1803 and our voltage jumped up to 1.3 5 which meant our temperature came up a little bit higher as well our max temp hit about 56 C so we saw about 6 Celsius of increased temperature just by going from one point three to one point three five again the voltage is auto and we just passed four point one so I'm gonna keep going and see where we crash so here we are running for point two and it went immediately to one point four five so auto voltage is obviously starting to add a lot of voltage so we definitely want to keep an eye on temperatures our temperatures also shot up to about 62 C and our score came up to 1829 again that's with Rison master running to see with our test going right now our temp came up to sixty two sixty three sixty three point seven five sixty four so it's definitely getting warm now the air coming through the radiator is not hot at all this is just the amount of heat that's immediately inside that process just because the amount of voltage that we're pumping to it the fact that it even stops right there shows that our a IO is definitely doing a good job when I tried this with the prism cooler it immediately went up to a DC which started to deal with throttling so that's something we don't want but as you can see the score is doing great 1835 and I'm gonna run it again here with Rhys and master closed so I can see if that score improves at all one thing I want to point out too is I have all the air that's coming through the radiator which is actually still very cool blowing directly on the vrm and the memory so it's blowing on to the motherboard normally in an open environment like this you don't have proper airflow over the motherboard and we certainly do so look at that I came up to 1860 we gained almost 30 points right there by shutting down dry zen master so when you're doing your tests and stuff run it once with it open to check your voltages and your temperatures and then close it and run your test again and you see you can improve quite a bit so here we are 4.3 Hertz it went to 1.5 volts immediately which shot us to about 71 or 72 C at max load so you can see we are starting to get to the point to where even an AI Oh like this is not gonna be able to transfer heat fast enough because it's so focused inside that 12 nanometer process but a score jumped up to an 1887 once again with Rison master open so I'm gonna run this one more time when it closed and see if we get another jump over 1900 on this would be amazing and remember we haven't even touched memory yet I could not get my 1800 X anywhere near this and we are running 4.3 yeah 1902 1902 with it with resin master off that's insane so I'm not feeling too confident though that 4.4 is going to pass or make it past Cinebench I I have a feeling it will make it into the into the operating system no problem but I'm not feeling confident that we're gonna actually get a 4.4 all core overclocked to complete a Cinebench run but well so far it's only still showing 1.5 volts but we are running 4.4 all the way across is the test gonna even go nope it immediately crashed system lock right there I'm not gonna give it any more voltage so I'm gonna say 4.3 on a very brute force non-surgical method of overclocking by just increasing our multiplier is gonna be where we're gonna call it a day at least on the CPU so now we need to put that everything back to factory and overclock our ram and see if anything is improved so I'm gonna save I'm gonna actually put this back to 4.3 and we're gonna save this right because we don't want have to go through all over this all over again so we're profile name is 43 we're gonna save it to profile 1 there we go so we can call these settings back up later optimize defaults restart our BIOS we're gonna leave everything on auto again and then we're gonna overclock our RAM to the rated speed of this which is 30 400 megahertz so with everything on fact we're gonna go to a i/o overclocked tuner because this is where we can actually load up our memory speeds right here so if you see now it wants to go to ddr4 3401 16 16 16 36 yes at one point 3 5 volts so that's our memory overclock remember all ddr4 runs at 2133 unless you go in and overclock it and the rated speed of the memory is actually an overclock on top of what the base ddr4 is so if you forgot that remember if you've put memory in your system and just left it you're probably not running at max speed so you can go in there and check that so we are running at 3400 maegor's 1628 was what we ran at the 3.7 gigahertz all stock clock before and there probably will be a little bit of an improvement here the question is gonna be how much how much whoa it jumped all the way to 1819 immediately so it went from a 1628 to an 1819 like just like that the question is now can we run the chorus beads that we were seeing with the memory speed being overclocked as well one thing that kind of sucks as it accidentally removed my original score which was a 1669 I think it was but what I want to check right here is I want to see exactly what's happening with the cores because remember I talked about that since MI where it's going to dynamically adjust its own core speed and stuff I have a feeling we're probably we're getting faster core speeds anyway so I'm testing that right now at the 3600 and no our cores are down to 4,000 25 which was exactly what they were when I showed you guys on the first test so that's not something that has taken into account right here I'm gonna go ahead and stop this test because I don't want to save that one so he jumped up to 1840 at 3,600 memory so now we're just gonna keep bumping up the memory like we'd have a CPU and see how far we can get 3,800 boot looping yeah memory sending said boo reset due to failure all right so 3,600 it is I'm not going to be adding any more voltage to the memory so what we're gonna do now is we are going to go ahead and just reboot at 3,600 and we're gonna start adding more voltage so I'm gonna go straight to 4.1 because we know it's already running at four point zero to five so I'm gonna try going straight to four point one memory clock is running at 1,800 so that is 36 works for me but our temperatures like that came back down to 20 or our previous 4.1 it look at that 1866 so we already gained 26 points by overclocking at seventy-five megahertz seventy-five megahertz with that memory speed remember we were running 4.0 to five on the original test seventy-five megahertz just gave us twenty six points remember the higher we go at the core clock the more stress we put on that memory controller like I was just saying so interesting we might have to drop it back to 3400 then the question is if we're at thirty four hundred and forty two hundred megahertz on the cpu is that gonna balance out or do we still get our max performance with stock memory at four point three I'm gonna try apply I don't really recommend this but I'm gonna try applying it's a tiny bit more memory voltage one point three six let's try that see if that helps a little bit so it is 1800 and we're running at four point two perfect let's do this so our last test was in 1866 we've got to beat in 1866 1900 we are two points behind where we were with overclocking just the CPU but we are a significant less voltage as well in less Heat all right so we're gonna try four point three again at the thirty six hundred megahertz this is where he just failed but we added a little bit more voltage to the memory but what I find really kind of interesting is the fact that we got this huge initial jump by going to the faster Ram but then as we overclocked our CPU after that we got very small jumps to where now even with fast RAM and the CPU clock at nearly where it was before we were at right the same just the same number only a difference of two but it looks like we're gonna actually pass this test nineteen hundred and thirty three I know I can't do 4.4 I wasn't able to get 4.4 with just a CPU of without overclocking the memory and even by putting more voltage into the memory we couldn't boot thirty eight hundred so this is we're getting our hands on some 4000 megahertz memory it would probably be fun and maybe we'll revisit that but if you look at here on the left you can see our intervals of the way things were kind of leapfrogging along the way but obviously our single biggest jump was running our rated memory speed and Rison still takes huge huge advantage of it but it seems like obviously doing a mixture of CPU and men Marie gave us the best results at 1933 so yeah this obviously isn't a complete stability test we need to run all sorts of different tests to make sure that we're fully stable but at least right now we're stable for Cinebench r15 guys thanks for coming along today I'll probably do this with some of the lower end CPUs as well but I just wanted to kind of see what kind of potential we had with rise n2 on its new 12 nanometer process and you know if you if this isn't the kind of thing you want to tinker with you could leave the core enhancement and the sense mi features turned on and then just go in turn on either it's gonna be called XMP or do CT memory flip that one switch and you see that you can get a huge improvement all right guys I'm gonna go if you've got any other suggestions of things you'd like to see with Rison second generation let me know and I will try my best to do those tests but as always guys your views are appreciated around here thanks for watching and we'll see you in the next one