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what's up guys Jays $0.02 here and I'm gonna bring you a talking head about a topic that seems to just trigger people all over the place and start so many different arguments and bam boys and enthusiasts alike and that is AMD versus Intel a topic we've covered a few times on this channel over the years but it's probably more relevant now than ever because for the first time ever it's becoming difficult to make that choice because there is so much competition and both have such kind of different ideologies to offer I find myself seeing a lot of people confused on what to buy so today I'm going to try and arm you with some information and some things to think about when making your decision hopefully making you a smarter buyer the new z10 gaming keyboard from EVGA features a built-in 2 port USB hub volume slider 3 step adjustable wrist rest and an on-board LCD display allowing you to keep track of your PC's pxo see stats core clock and more find out everything that the z10 gaming keyboard can do by heading to EVGA calm so this is one of those talking head videos that a lot of you really seem to enjoy so feel free to minimize it and play your own music because I'm not going to I don't want to burn my face into your screen I want to don't want that image burned on your screen trust me nobody wants that before we can kind of move forward we need a quick history lesson we're gonna make this very very brief but if we go back to the FX era when the about 2011 with the AMD FX processor launched it was not exactly as uh wasn't as intel destroying as people were hoping it looked like it was on paper it was gonna do really good said you know the FX 80 120 and 80 150 had 8 cores and it was better than anything Intel had offering on the mainstream platform and unfortunately it just did not really hold water and it gave you a very good performance $2.00 you know ratio but it just did not compete or really give the upper cut to Intel people had hoped and the problem was as it progressed it didn't really improve that much they did some small improvements to like you know core clock and stuff like that and it just didn't really move forward and the problem was Intel was making fairly decent jumps generation per generation in fact the last time AMD had actually truly competed with Intel and beaten Intel in benchmarks and and other types of scenarios was all the way back in the athol on era in the mid to early 2000s so you can kind of see how long ago that was and that's how long we were dealing with Intel being top dog that's why so many people were hoping AMD was gonna topple Intel because that could trigger competition in the space which would bring performance up and costs down which unfortunately didn't really happen with the FX CPU now fast-forward about six years to 2017 be highly anticipated and awaited Zen architecture now known as Rison launched and a lot of people were pretty leery simply because of what happened with the FX launch a lot of people just didn't know what to expect with AMD AMD had a lot of hype train and unfortunately a lot of deer ailments in launches in past so a lot of people were just kind of concerned on what was really going to be the real story regarding a brand new x86 architecture that was built from the ground up well spoiler alert guys then architecture did just exactly what people hoping it would do it shook up the CPU industry and it shook Intel a little bit because Intel started improving on their CPUs something that they hadn't really been doing over the last several years simply because there was no competition so now here we are in 2018 with the second-generation Rison launched and Intel really had just kind of shown all of their cards by pulling in coffee lake and other cpus into 2017 and 2018 that weren't even supposed to launch until later on this year so that means AMD did exactly what we were hoping it shook Intel enough to start the cpu war once again now one of the things that's really unique about 2018 is for the first time I think just about ever we actually have a mainstream and extreme platform for both offerings AMD always competed in the mainstream market but didn't really have its extreme market well now we've got the X 399 and X 499 stuff coming out which is going to obviously compete with X 299 from Intel and whatever the successor for that is going to be which is gonna be your very highly multi-threaded tons of cores you know we're talking Intel's got its 18 core the 79 80 XE so it's 18 cores 36 threads you've got the 94 1950 X from AMD which is again the X 2 9:16 core 32 thread cpu thinks that typically only existed in the server space is now being offered to standard consumers and they've got your main stream which is pretty much something that a lot of people are gonna fall in that category and that's where the true competition really is because AMD has got you know their 2700 X now sort of replacing the 1800 X now I'm pretty confident that I could set up a blind taste test with something like a 2700 X or an 8700 K and have someone come in and kind of work on the computer and try and determine if it is AMD or Intel I'm pretty confident that someone would have a hard time doing that one of the things that's always kind of really differentiated CPUs on the Intel side was the number of PCIe lands which was a very curious way of kind of limiting it stack where over time you would see the gimping of PCIe lanes for the same number of cores let me explain the 59 60 X which was an 8 core 16 thread CPU had 40 PCIe lanes but if you fast-forward to the i7 78 20x you'll find it's also an 8 core 16 thread CPU on the X 299 platform but they shaved the PCIe lanes from 40 to 28 so it's one of those things that that's it's always kind of made people wonder why Intel is choosing the PCIe lanes and choosing to chop those over anything else now one of the things that you get on the AMD side of things is on the X 399 platform you get more PCIe lanes and you get them on all of the CPUs so the X 399 AMD series and the X 299 Intel series is definitely a good option for power users because of its available core count it's got very fast course speed the amount of PCIe lanes available on both platforms although asterisk AMD gives you 60 on all of their CPUs it makes sense for people who have very heavy multi-threaded workloads live streaming video encoding rendering lots of background tasks virtual machines servers it all would make more sense on that platform now the main stream platform I feel is where a lot of the competition is and where a lot of you viewers are going to fall into that category you can still video edit on both platforms the X 370 from AMD and the Z 270 from Intel you can ASSU AMD doing here right they were always one-upping the intel number because you know higher number is better a little bit truly but i think it was really kind of funny the way they went about that but anyway i digress so now I've got the mainstream offering obviously on both sides so the current mainstream on Intel is Z 370 you'll find like the 8700 k-6 core 12 thread the 8780 600 k and then you've got the AMD mainstream which is the current just released x4 74 second gen risin and you'll find the 2700 X 2600 X and that range of CPU there but I tell you right now if I was and this is where I'm sure it's hard as buyers if I was to do a blind taste test and say to the user have have a gauntlet of tasks for them to do something like Cinebench some gaming some video rendering and I didn't tell them what platform they were on I think most people would be hard-pressed to actually identify what platform they're on AMD or Intel just based on day to day use case scenarios gaming video rendering it's all such a good experience on both platforms now in Intel you often get a higher core speed intel has definitely been pulling out more megahertz out of their CPUs the 8700 K can overclocked to 5 gigahertz and beyond very easily the problem is Intel is now the one that tends to run really hot because they chose to stop soldering their CPU there are heat spreaders on top of their die which means that there's not as good of a heat transfer as there used to be AMD has decided to solder all of their CPUs because they've heard the complaints people have about Intel so you tend to get a little bit better temperature on AMD which is kind of funny it's a role reversal of the typical jokes you know AMD space heaters which the FX series was kind of referred to as but it shows just how much things have changed now my recommendation for most people would be if you're an everyday average user and you're just playing your games and you want to maybe make a youtube video here and there the Rison platform has going to offer you a lot more for your money they're gonna get more cores and you can get on Intel for the same amount of money that's overclockable it's very easy to overclock actually and it is cheaper overall than Intel and giving you what I feel is a better user experience for the money but if you're the kind of person who's looking for IPC you have programs and stuff that you're running like Adobe Photoshop which take huge advantage of the the actual core speed then Intel might be the way to go for you you sacrifice a couple of cores but you're able to get way more IPC out of those cores which some programs take advantage of my guess though is if you're watching this video and you already know that you need that you're probably have already made your decision anyway and you're just curious as to what it is I'm gonna say Gaming is an interesting topic though when it comes to CPUs because we're starting to see more and more developers actually coding for the multi-core experience back in the day most of the multi-core CPUs would just have one or two cores under load and it would bounce all around where now we're actually seeing a very split up and level core usage experience where they're dividing that usage among scores that are available it only took 12 years or so for it to actually become kind of the norm but now that it is the norm we're seeing we're having multi-core CPUs and games that are rendering large worlds obviously as a CPUs that move forward with technology the developers are able to give you a interesting gaming experience now where you can render these massive sandbox worlds and and they don't have to you know really worry about the power available to it with these single threads single core CPUs so now we're starting to actually see gaming take advantage of these number of cores I mean pub G is one of those that is known to be pretty intensive on your CPU World of Warcraft has always been CPU intensive so now you can see games by actually going with a higher-end CPU as a gamer one thing that's also making it harder is the fact that motherboard manufacturers and yes I'm gonna throw them under the bus motherboard manufacturers were very known for cheeping out on their AMD motherboards versus their Intel counterparts even if they shared the same name even when the first generation Rison came out I think motherboard manufacturers kind of saved cost and didn't build them to the same robust standards as the Intel counterparts because we hadn't really seen how successful Rison was going to be yet but now you can take an Intel motherboard an AMD motherboard and they both feel like they are just these beefy bricky behemoths of motherboards from the top tier all the way down that quality between AMD and Intel seems to match in my opinion for like the first time ever so the point I think I'm getting at here is in 2018 you're really hard-pressed to make a bad choice you could easily overspend by buying a higher-end CPU than you really need but that's why there are tears and platforms for consumers now here in the studio we've got basically every platform up and running at all times you've got Rison we've got Intel lady 700k we've got a 79 60 X which is 16 core 32 thread we've got a rise in thread Ripper 1920 X on X 399 we've got some older rise and stuff I mean for the first time ever moving between them I don't feel the difference in general usage which is a great thing the only time you can tell a difference on any of these platforms is obviously we do video rendering here is when you hit in code the time that it shows is the only way you can tell which platform you're on and even those scale very very close so guys this has just been a little bit of a talking video kind of telling you where we are here in 2018 when it comes to CPUs if you haven't been following any of this then you're probably more confused than when you started but it's definitely worth keeping your ear to the ground because Computex is coming next month it's in June and that is ground zero for all things computer technology we are gonna be seeing some new offerings obviously from AMD and Intel I'm going to assume who knows what it's gonna be it feels like both companies have kind of shown all their cards so I don't really know what could come next but they gotta be showing something it's the world stage for CPU technology whether it's gonna be GPUs or CPUs I have no idea so anyway guys I'm gonna go if you think I've missed something in this conversation you just want to add something do it cordially try and do make an educated statement down below don't just do the fanboy AMD sucks Intel sucks because unfortunately the forums are full of all of that and you've got to put together more compelling and into intellectual argument than bla bla bla sucks it's okay I know you guys are gonna do it anyway alright guys thanks for watching give me a follow on Twitter if you guys want to talk about this a little bit more in depth or I'll just see you guys in the next one