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matter how hard we try we don't seem to be able to get away from Vega conversation whether it be the pricing scandal that everyone's calling it whether or not there's back-end deals and it really costs more than the MSRP the fact that's being marked up everywhere because of supply and demand and everyone's been waiting for the custom cards to come out because even though they've updated the cooler and it looks cool this is the special edition one it is still a reference style cooler which means they get pretty damn hot about 85 see but we've actually got the world's first custom PCB card right here the Asus Vega almost needed again rx Vega 64 I'm always gonna call it Vega RX 64 I don't know why but we're gonna talk about this card we're gonna put it through the paces we're gonna see exactly what the difference is between that guy that that guy and this guy whatever simplify your multi system configurations quickly and easily with synergy the desktop device sharing software share your mouse and keyboard seamlessly in real time on Windows Mac and Linux operating systems allowing you to reduce desktop clutter on giving you back valuable desktop space get 50% off synergy by using the link found in the description below now before we actually unbox this I've got a special edition unboxing for you guys are you ready my boxing skills suck and I'm really hoping I don't break this barely even fits on the table you know that I should don't make that face nick is already anticipating like bad things to happen oh yeah what could it be it's the newest GPU on the market The BFG 64 I'm waiting for this why do you look disappointed that nothing's broken yet I think there's been some budget cuts at YouTube because last time I got this it was printed on like parchment paper now it's just like regular old printer paper you're bigger than Vancouver fat joke you're bigger than Venice you're even bigger than lost baked 1 million subscribers maybe you've imagined that day for a long time or maybe you'd never thought you'd grow so big I get it I see the love handles thing right anyway it looks silver but it's gold it's gold look at that I find glare there we go who that dude congratulations for surpassing 1 million some scrap doors all right can you take this please before I break it for real so bonus unboxing over let's take a look at the Strix card now I'm gonna go ahead and TL DR too long didn't read they basically say this card is only about 2% to 7% faster than the reference card for a couple of reasons one the AMD's version of GPU boost right if it's got temperature overhead if it's got power delivery overhead then it's gonna self overclock itself a little bit farther but when it comes to the actual performance right you gain some performance over time because it didn't some thermal throttle when it hits the temperature max like you get on the reference cards but it also just comes down 100% to the silicon lottery so the point of today's video is going to be how much of that lottery did we win today now I mean there's always the the idea of do we get prebend cards right as reviewers do we get the best of the best I I instantly don't know the answer that I hope they're sending us something they call off the palette that's going to retail and we are just playing the lottery game like everyone else but here it is you guys can see it is indeed a custom card you can see that the PCB is much bigger right if we compare it to the reference card Lou that is a much bigger PCB which is kind of funny because if you look at the size of the card and this right here is actually the core this is the core the HBM module it's got all the memory on there so you can kind of see the size of it so just like the reference card it's got two eight pin power connectors on there but of course it's got a few extra features right it's got its RGB connect on there so it can use Asus Ora tube you can plug RGB LED strips into this and control it off the the graphics card and the built-in software you also have fan headers on the back so that you can actually speed up system fans with the graphics card load the problem is fans are awfully are often running off of PWM which has to do with CPU load and when the GPU gets hot and you guys know in games the CPUs don't get nearly as hot as a GPU they don't load up as much the fans may not ramp up enough which means as this is blowing heat into your case you need the case actually expel the heat so as the graphics card speeds up what you're going to notice is that your fans in your case could speed up as well if you plug them into that but then of course you have more cables coming off the back no this is that's the thing when it comes to overclocking though is more power does not always mean better performance things like Pascal sometimes you can get higher clocks at stock voltage or even under bolting slightly versus giving it more power so it comes down to all kinds of things all kinds of factors and who knows what we're gonna get today so rather than sit here and talk about it I'm going to install it and we'll see exactly what we got out of it all right I've spent about the last three days tweaking and overclocking in this car talking to a soos on the phone text message and stuff because I don't feel like we're getting as much overclocking performance out of this as we would have hoped for a custom PCB now let me explain the limited edition card right here overclocked pretty decently in fact I did a video about that that you guys can go and check out but remember these are the exact same cores inside and the only thing that the custom manufacturers really have a chance to play with here is gonna be things like power delivery cooling and of course acoustics based on their cooling designs they're not changing anything to do with the core the memory or any of that stuff that is still being supplied by AMD so we're definitely gonna be dealing with silicon lottery here and unfortunately it seems like the card I have is kind of a loser and that's why you're not seeing any slides here comparing it to the limited edition card because this card was indeed boosting or turbo clocking up higher based on conditions then even my Strix card is that's why I'm saying I think we have a silicon lottery loser here now let's go ahead and kind of demonstrate that I am using the driver seventeen point eight point two because ace is confirmed with me after some of the findings that I had and they've verified on their end that there is indeed some sort of weird bug happening with seventeen point nine points to where the card is not overclocking or pushing itself nearly as far as it should but with that said it's going take a look here so if we go to the OC button right there it basically allows you or allows itself to just push everything kind of farther right so it's got this little triangle here that shows the different modes obviously this is giving a bias towards performance where coolness and silences and it's important to give us all the performance so we're gonna go ahead and just load up here heaven benchmark with everything sort of maxed out on that we're going with 1440p settings we're going with anti-aliasing an eight X so we really just want to push the card as hard as we possibly can that's got what they anti-aliasing at 8 X 2 it means we're also gonna be testing out that memory cache I mean the massive amounts of memory in terms of memory speed at least on this card and we're gonna let this go here for a few seconds because I want to see what its gonna sort of boost up to in fact I already know because I've already done this test for the last three days but yeah so what's gonna happen here is it's going go up to its max frequency and then based on temperature is just like GPU boost 3.0 I guess at based on temperatures to a power target power limit how much we have left over it's gonna start to kind of find its equilibrium and then that's where it's just gonna hover let's look at how far it went here it looks like we went up to approximately fifteen hundred and fifty three megahertz but then we sort of dropped down to fifteen forty fifteen twenty six fifteen twenty-five fifty twenty seven fifteen fourteen fifteen ten right so you could see it was just kind of doing this over time what I experienced over the last couple of days over extended periods of testing was that the card was dropping all the way down into the mid-1400s which meant that that's why this card was actually beating the Strix and all the game testing I was doing because this card although still a reference style fan for whatever reason even at eighty four C was still staying at a higher frequency than the Strix card is the Strix card just Falls it just Falls fast and I don't know what the problem is there now if I go ahead and just come in to the professional mode right here we can start playing with things and you could see the frequencies that you were just seeing was while it was attempting to hit sixteen hundred and thirty megahertz because that's the target that's the where we want to see the car to go and it wasn't getting anywhere close to that was a 1554 was the highest or 15:53 was the highest we got so that is extremely unfortunate what I also find kind of interesting is they show a voltage slider here which probably works when it comes to under volting right can we under built this and have it apply and that's the apply yes we can't under Bolton have it apply we can't over volt right we try and go above 1200 it won't allow us so what I'm gonna try right now is I'm gonna go ahead and just try bringing this back down to the stock voltage of 1100 because what we've seen in the past and and other channels have shown is that under volting this card can sometimes lead to not only comparable you know frequency settings but much lower power draw so I'm just gonna test that and leave it at 16:30 but also too we go into professional mode you take it out of OSI mode the power target goes back to 100% when we want to push the power target as far as possible because custom our custom cooling whom also take advantage of that so we are going to go ahead and bump our power target all the way back up to a hundred and fifty percent we're gonna apply this now what we've done we've told it to under volt and give us more power limit which is interesting but let's just see what happens here so the first thing I'm noticing here with the lesser voltage is we are not crashing obviously and we are experiencing less acoustics because of the fact or lower acoustics because the fans are not really even ramping up in fact the first test I did it only took about 15 seconds before the fans started to speed up but what we're experiencing here is that the fans just really are running nice and slow so what we experienced now was we went up to fifteen eighty three like that we went up thirty megahertz by under volting the card and allowing more power limit so what if I put it back to twelve hundred because we're back up to twelve hundred we're still at the sixteen thirty target and we've got one hundred and fifty percent power limit still applied to the card let's see if we get the same fifteen eighty three or four goes back to fifteen fifty three that will start to tell us if we are power limited on this card which I'm assuming we are that's an assumption anyway and then what we'll be able to start testing is how much frequency we can give it so we went to fifteen fifty six so as you guys can see we are definitely having power limit problems with Vega adding more voltage to the card obviously it doesn't do anything and and and other channels have already explored that and shows that to be true let's see what happens if we start trying to tell the card to go to like seventeen hundred what happens then and we got a crash like immediately we crashed and this is what I've been experiencing was anytime I try to apply any more like frequency to it above and beyond like where it's going on its own I'm dealing with these crashes here so now what I'm gonna test is putting the voltage back up to the plus 1200 let's try let's try at eleven fifty actually let's see if giving it just a little bit more voltage will yield different results nope exact same results alright so I went to 1660 on the cord and going back up to 1200 on the voltage but guys I've spent like I said the last several days playing around this I already know what the result is going to be yeah so memory overclocking though let's go like plus 150 on that in fact I'm gonna put that back down to 1630 like I said I already know I already know that this card is not an overclocker so we were running a little bit here the fans are blasting because I told them to I wanted the fans to blast so let's see what we got so again we went up to 15 53 that's as far as we got with 1553 so we're back to 1100 on the voltage in 1640 on the core and we remember we're still plus 150 on the memory but again this is this is such superficial minimal changes that we're seeing over like I said we could get with the limited edition card this still overclocked farther this guy was able to achieve like about 1700 before it started crashing and that's what asus was telling me their card was able to achieve when we were on the phone and talking and testing which leads me to believe that this is just simply a silicon lottery Luss now kudos to aces for sending me a retail sample because my goal here is to give you guys a retail experience we went up to 1595 again so out-of-the-box setting at 1200 voltage almost seems like a bad thing at least for this card I mean could come down to ASA quality as well so what if I now try just 1650 okay we're at 1650 I just want to get that 1600 number but I don't seem to be able to get 1600 out of this it just seems to crash well it's a good sign we didn't immediately crash we still got only 1595 and it dropped back down to like 1560 1580 let's try one more tick so we're trying just one more takeout it's a 1660 who's where it's at I think it's gonna crash not immediately that's a good sign okay so we got 1603 on that one sometimes we need to overclocking and incrementally increase it slowly you can get better results than just like moving the slider instantly but this is where we had crashed last time and there goes so hey you guys have it now I tried all of this that you guys are seeing also with the built in AMD Radeon software and was getting the exact same results so unfortunately guys this is my experience with the Strix card retail experience it does not perform any better than a limited edition card out of the box in fact it performed a little bit lower but now I know why right because if I move the slider on the voltage down we got better core speed which brought it up to at least where this was coming out of the box so what you were seeing were the exact same results which is I mean qu6 and of thermals are what this card is designed for at least that's what was communicated to me don't expect a necessarily better core performance out of it they're the exact same core is being sent over by AMD so it's a 100% lottery it's not like there's a bidding process that the manufacturer can do on their own end so it's what it is guys there you go first look here at the AMD Strix rx Vegas 64 a little disappointed but hey you can't win them all thanks for watching guys oh and also too if you want merch remember links down below thanks for watching guys I'll see you the next one