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what's up guys Jays $0.02 here and I haven't done a video like this in about six years where I'm gonna specifically talk about power draw it's an argument we've seen over and over and over get blah blah blah company because yadda yadda company is gonna cost you more in the long run in terms of power consumption we're gonna talk today specifically about various graphics cards and CPUs especially with the way the CPU market is heating up no pun intended actually things are kind of getting cooler as all these four AMD Intel is gonna get hot but that's pathetic we're going to talk about how much money it may cost you to get one brand over the other and whether or not that should even be a factor in your buying decisions I wasn't buying purchases you usually purchase your bias with its aluminum bezel solid construction and adjustable base the vast 35 inch ultra wide 100 Hertz VA panel from mass drop offers performance at an affordable price learn more about this drop by following the link in the description below okay so here's what we're gonna do if there's a there's a lot of different ways that you can do this and the unfortunate thing about this test verse is the one I did six years ago was the fact that we had a lot more simple product stack verses today for instance when I did this last time I believe I was running a z77 3,700 K which IV bridge as you know was kind of like the top dog and then you had your i7s which worth hyper-threading you had your I fives which were not high threes which were not a couple SKUs of each and then we had FX which was four core six core a core no SMT no hyper threading very basic very easy to compare the problem now is the on the safety side of things the battle heating up ever since verizon launched with the 1800 X and down the competition has just been getting fierce with more SKUs filling in the gaps filling in the price gaps the performance gaps Intel doing the same thing until actually having annual launches once again once again some of them being less than a year apart has created some serious confusion in the marketplace in terms of what the direct comparisons should be it's something we struggled with as we've done CPU comparisons as we've done gaming comparisons it's we coming to the point to where we don't know exactly where to line them up do we do it core four core because when we do that we have the CPUs might do this but the pricing structure more or less does that so it becomes very difficult to compare so that is why for the sake of this video we are kind of doing core four core because that's the best way that we can determine what a apples to apples comparison would be in terms of power draw eight core 16 thread Rison 2,700 X versus a ninety nine hundred K which is also eight core 16 thread albeit might add much faster clock and turbo clock for GPU on the other hand it's a it's a little bit easier to sort of line those up because the right Radeon 7 which is the the best card that you can get right now from AMD for mainstream and even productivity you know being at this is the top price point the problem is the top price point for AMD does not meet the top price point for Nvidia that's lots more or less against the 2080 whereas the 20 atti costs approximately $400 more and then obviously gives you you know more performance that goes along with that so even though I have a 20 atti sitting on the table we are going to use 20 80 versus our Radeon 7 and then a 22 Ti for shits and giggles and then I already explained to you how we're gonna do the cpu we're not talking about thread Ripper we're not talking about X 299 or any of those because what I just explained in terms of how difficult it is to match everything up wasn't even including the extreme platform the nice thing about AMD moving forward with Rison 3 or resin to 3000 series is the fact that there are more SKUs available for mainstream meaning you're not having to then take into account the cost of motherboards and extra Ram channels and all that sort of stuff so here's what you need to figure out is before you getting determine how much somebody's gonna cost you to run you need to know how much power it uses and how much you're using it so for instance I reached out on Twitter because I thought man I've got about five hundred twenty thousand followers there that's a huge data set if even a fraction of those people responds so I put out a tweet saying hey guys on average how much do you gain per day how many hours as expected it was a pretty wide range but I saw a lot of I don't game at all anymore I'm too busy which unfortunately doesn't really help but they don't know the purpose of this video so that was still a fair answer to some people gaming more than 10 hours per day which definitely could rack up the amount of costs in terms of you know wattage pricing and that sort of stuff so this is gonna be an interesting data set what I found was the median tend to be between 3 to 4 hours so for the sake of calculations today we're using three and a half hours of gaming time for our tests the other thing that gets a little bit convoluted here is trying to determine CPU power draw because of its constant fluctuating load when the GPU kind of tends to do nothing and unless you're gaming so GPU is a lot easier to calculate so that's why we're gonna go ahead and start there now using ji guru 3d we I am going to our link to our sources as well as you know putting on-screen their charge and stuff so you can see these are this is datasets that we've been getting from the internet we've looked at a bunch of different sources and not just our own because we want to see kind of what the median is that way we're not just going off one data set not to mention guru 3d puts a list of their specs for the system these the same system on everything so it keeps it very consistent so for graphics and with them being guru 3d I mean kind of makes sense right that they would have graphics charts the Radeon seven at three and a half hours per day using an average of fifteen cents per kilowatt-hour and yeah some of you might look at that and go wow that's expensive if you live here in Southern California in the summer time you could go wow I wish I was only paying fifteen cents per kilowatt-hour so once again we had to kind of find a middle ground to call you know fair so at three and a half hours per day the Radeon seven is gonna cost you approximately four dollars and seventy eight cents per month to run or fifty seven dollars and thirty four cents per year compared to a twenty eighty it's gonna cost you three dollars and sixty eight cents per month to run and forty four dollars and ten cents per year or a difference of $13.24 per year that's kind of a wash if you think about it because the Radeon seven although the HBM two and the Vega architecture and and all that stuff has been known to be a bit power-hungry because it uses a lot of has a lot of heat needs a lot of cooling and that heats generated obviously by power draw one of the things I like to do though when it comes to cost calculations is kind of average them over five years because I find that five years is kind of the the timeframe when a lot of people will upgrade their systems yes I know many of you are running much older systems than that and the SR people out there that you annual upgrade so they don't care about the power cost because they're never gonna make it back anyway so at $13 times five years obviously you're talking about sixty five dollars in cost difference between the Radeon 7 versus the 28 II know if you spent that extra sixty five dollars on a graphics card guess what you wouldn't have gotten anywhere higher than a 28 II because the next bump up is $400 so at this point that's why we're saying it's kind of a wash it makes no difference because directly comparable in price very comparable and performance in over five years at a $65 power difference I still would call that one pretty name close what about CPUs well the CPUs this is interesting Amy's always been known as the space heater if you're cold in the wintertime get yourself an AMD CPU to keep you nice and toasty that's always been the joke right the AMD heater well the 99 hundred K we had a hard time finding a lot of I guess comparable data sets when it comes to load and all that sort of stuff because we found a very wide range of testing in terms of power draw some people were normalizing by removing idle wattage and giving us just load wattage some people were measuring from the wall some people were overclocking so what we found here was we're using techspot here and their particular charts for blender and you are blender gooseberry and handbrake so obviously CPU transcoding and handbrake and then CPU rendering in blender blender does use GPU as well but obviously they're doing CPU tests so the 99 hundred K in handbrake pulled 255 watts system wattage as total system wattage porn input out there three and a half hours a day would cost you four dollars and seven cents a month or 48 dollars and ninety cents per year to run the 2700 X ironically considerably less power draw is pulling 209 watts from the wall for this whole total system or three dollars and 34 cents a month $40.00 eight cents a year or a difference of seven dollars and some change on math per year now here's the important part the CPUs are not comparable in terms of pricing like it was with the GPU the 2700 X and yes I know this sounds like an EMV sponsored product video it's not this is JP J sponsored this is my stuff we're talking about this because this is an argument that I'm tired of seeing people say without any sort of experience in the subject matter that cost to run the system can make a break the difference in terms of where the value is because as you can see a difference of seven dollars and some change per year between a 2700 X and N and ahead okay does not make up for the 40% extra cost of a 1920 700 X this is all I'm doing there this is the point in today's videos to get you thinking this way there are certain things that are okay to consider there are certain things that are not okay to consider when it comes to the true value of a product had these been the same price even the value would still technically be with the 2700 X if you're using that argument but we all know the 9900 K is approximately 10 to 15% faster depending on the workload in fact in Cinebench it was a 2038 score versus an 1808 or approximately 12.7% difference so as you can see right here if you kept both systems for five years at $7 a year difference we're talking a difference of $35 if power cost of AMD or Intel Wow see see how ingrained we were to believe AMD's faster in it and I just did that myself because that was the case it used to be the case IPC was terrible power draw was terrible and FX that all changed with rise n now the other thing I want to talk about here is that's kind of not a fair test what I mean by that is most people are not running their CPUs at a hundred percent load for three and a half hours a day because we've shown on this channel many times gaming load on CPU and less bottleneck is not a hundred percent it tends to sit around forty to sixty percent depending on the game games that are very GPU bound are gonna be a lot less intrusive on the CPU load which means even lower low loads on the CPU which means an even narrower gap when it comes to power draws so that's good news for Intel not so much for AMD but at the end of the day we still have a 40% cost difference between the two the point of this conversation is to tell you that because you're not at 100% load it doesn't matter what the power draw on CPU is gonna be unless we're comparing something like an i3 to a w31 75 X which obviously would not be a very fair comparison because we'd be talking more than a thousand Watts on the CPU versus like 50 Watts on an i3 so at the end of the day if you keep your system for five years usually the cost savings is not enough to even bump you up into the next tier that's been the case as long as we've had this battle going on but that's all getting ready to change because one of the things we're still waiting to see what Zen - or technically third-gen risin I guess I don't know however you want to call it is improved power drum improved IPC improved power draw and a lot of that comes from the fact that it's running on seven nanometer process and not 14 + + benefit like Intel still is even when Intel gets its 10 nanometer going on desktop we could still see a better power draw coming from AMD versus Intel the smaller the process the less power draw which is something that is you know kind of been Murphy's Law and all that stuff for a long time I say Murphy's Law is that that's not Murphy's Law huh Moore's Law I don't start with them but J what's the whole point of this video the point of this video is just to say why what works for you seriously the most ignorant comment a person can make is the power draw argument it means no one's anyone that says that it means they haven't done the math it means they haven't actually sat down and thought about it so honestly guys at the end of the day we have to wait and see what's gonna happen with the next architecture from AMD if we see these IPC's come up and on seven nanometer it's matching and exceeding possibly the nine ninety nine hundred K is just arbitrarily throwing it out there the value is already with AMD in terms of price of the CPU it's already there in terms of power draw and you know what are you willing to pay forty percent more for ten to fifteen percent more performance plenty of people do there's nothing wrong with it it's your choice and that's the whole point in today's video ignore the power draw conversation and go right with the performance conversation and get where the performance and the dollar amount makes sense for your wallet alright guys this is just one of those topics that it's I'd to do a talking head on because of the amount of comments I've seen over the brutal battle that is taking place amongst the fanboys regarding AMD and Intel rightfully so I mean it's it's okay to like what you like but I think what's happened here is AMD has been the underdog for so long and they're getting ready to possibly be top dog I think a lot of people just can't help the smack talk makes things kind of interesting I guess you guys can sound off down below have all the fights you want I guess you're going to regardless of what I say so yeah thanks for watching and we'll see you in the next one