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go there at all yeah that's right we're rolling we're speeding on both by the way for editing Jay later this is this is the video with JJ and this is your intro alright we're already oh I'm sorry where do you want me to look that's gonna be the ignore this cam yeah this is my year old camera okay that's for our nice little yep yeah yeah immersion eyes are all burning now with the help it's easier for a guy like Paul to say sit up straight he's not carrying the brain though yeah I'm carrying your work out oh man this is me hey what's up guys Jase two cents here and if you can't tell I have a very awesome guest today jayjay from Asus hey soos you know it's one of those things our business how do you say Asus Asus well I say awesome guys nobody wears never talked about x99 and Intel's new haswell-e refresh actually it's not a brand new platform don't go away all right JJ first of all thank you for making the trip down here to talk about Intel's brand new platform haswell-e and of course x99 the much-anticipated platform all of us enthusiasts have been waiting for I know some about it but you know a whole lot more than me so my first question to you is gonna be what are the three SKUs that are coming out for haswell-e and how do they kind of compare to X I mean it well for one you know like you said this is actually an entirely new chipset it's an entirely new CPU architecture so we're pretty much moving over with into the Haswell architecture but we're moving it to a higher core higher cache a higher PCI Express enabled part and what we're gonna have in terms of the CPUs that are gonna be available at the launch are going to be the 59 60 X so the Extreme Edition part we're then gonna have eight core 16 threads that's correct eight core 16 threads 20 Meg's of cash on that CPU is an absolute beast of a process single and easy then yeah for anybody that's looking to be able to throw a content creation application in there or you know very high-end GPU based configuration platform this thing is just gonna just chew these things out it's just it's a it's truly a beastly processor and bc platform when you talk about the secondary CPU still extremely high-end it's going to be the k part actually all three parts this generation are all unlock so they're all overclockable and they're all featuring that haswell-e based architecture and that's an important point because just like the has well incorporated the fiber or the essentially that integrated voltage regulation technology built in the cpu right we also now have that this for this generation which is different than the previous Sandy Bridge er the Ivy bridge-e processors so that's going to be another aspect in terms of the change and then you're gonna have the entry level the 5820k part so the main difference between the top two parts so the K in the extreme to the entry level k part is going to be the number of PCI Express lanes right as well as the cache so the 2k parts will feature 15 megabytes of cache which is still still massive yeah I mean you're still almost looking almost double the cache of what a current high-end 49 70 K has with 8 Meg's right you're going over 15 and then the extreme having 20 Meg's right but the other big differential will be in the PCI Express Lanes the PCI Express Lanes on the entry level part will be 2 eight lanes versus the two hire in skew so we'll have 40 let me separate they're kind of explained real quick with those lanes mean in terms of haswell-e versus kind of the Z series yeah so how is it compared to say a forty nine seventy or 4790k so that's actually it's a great question to ask because traditionally when a lot of people kind of factor the platform they only look at it from the number of course right but actually one of the biggest advantages that the higher end platforms offer is more PCI Express Lanes how that ultimately translates to use when you look at traditionally a motherboard and you look at all the slots that are on the motherboard as well as the number of connections right so the number of SATA ports the number of USB ports even add-on ports such as wireless or secondary LAN all those have to be hooked into a PCI Express line and so they have to be fed ultimately by the lanes that are provided by the CPU now in z-9 we're like plx and stuff comes in correct and when you look at something like a z97 based motherboard the cpu can only provide 16 lanes right so that works pretty good for most standard users and even to a degree most enthusiasts right but once you start to trend it into an area where you get to really high-end boards you're looking at maybe 3-way 4-way GPU configurations content creation configurations where maybe you're running like two GPUs and maybe then like a raid card and then like to capture cards right I mean all kinds of no term utilize those lands exactly you you run generally on some form of z97 series board you'll eventually run into a point where certain things will have to be conditionally under operation so what I mean by that is maybe the secondary port turns off if you're using like all the SATA ports right you get some type of permutation that depending on how you're configuring your system it changes what may be usable and what's not usable now there's this kind of gray area where some other boards as you noted will feature some form of what's called a multiplexing chip it's a PL X it's not true PCI Express Lanes it's pretty much kind of like expanding them out kind of like in the same way a hub does but there are some disadvantages to it in the long term in terms of what you have a little bit from latency as well as also just from that you can't actively still drive all those lanes and unison and that's really where this platform is going to give you just much more flexibility that's so many more lanes it's so much more cores got so much more cache what I love about this has Willie refresh or keep going to refresh I want to say it's refreshed it's a whole new platform but it's you know the X relaunch 2x 99 is the fact that the entry-level CPU is still a hex core yeah I mean the entry-level series skews on both sandy II and IV II we're four cores correct where they really the benefit over the Z series came into it being a quad channel capable chip but now along with the PCI Express Lanes exactly and but now with it being a hex you're always buying into now gonna be a platform that's gonna offer you more cores and more cash so I think Intel will paid attention to that this generation a lot of feedback they collected is they want to make sure that if you bought into this platform you felt that you were getting the kind of the most future proofing and you really had guaranteed level of improvement over the current platforms that were available in the marketplace so whether it's like you said cores whether it's cash whether it's PCI Express Lanes and all those ways you're going to get an improvement and of course the other really big one that we haven't even talked about is the inclusion of ddr4 this is the first platform that's gonna be offering ddr4 as compared to all the other current chipsets that are currently out in the marketplace only support ddr3 okay before we start talking about ddr4 I know my audience has probably already asked themselves we've talked about it let's talk about overclock ability of these chips sure because has well what has well first launched you know the overclocking on them there was a lot of issues with temperature there was a lot you know because it was a whole new architecture overclocking was kind of a challenge for many enthusiasts on as well z-series since it kind of incorporates a lot of that same structure tell me what it's been like working with haswell-e in the overclocking so overclocking is actually quite solid on the platform so in terms of what you're gonna be looking at in terms of what you can actually realistically achieve you know the base parts you're looking at about three gigahertz in terms of the operating frequency what you can get in the real world in terms of overclocking with you know reasonable air cooling solution so like a high performance you know close the water cooling solution like a you know like an H 100 or something in that class but most people are you know for especially I think for this type of platform but even if you were dropped down to like a you know like an H 80 type kind of cooler you would still be looking at 4 gigahertz plus easily right easily so clearly the thermals are good you have to be able to use an all-in-one cooler so we show the H 80 which is a single 140 millimeter push-pull option so in the past I know they'd run fairly fairly warm to where a lot of people on the x-series the enthusiast platform would also probably want to incorporate custom water cooling or full custom loops but the fact that you're able to achieve these over clocks you're mentioning on an all-in-one cooling solution of thing is fantastic ya know it's it's extremely cool that you're gonna be able to reach you know 4.2 to 4.6 gigahertz on you know realistic cooling solutions now that doesn't mean that you know there aren't certain factors to taking consideration just like it has well there is a wide variance and the CPU and the voltage that is required to get to that CPU so nominally most users will probably be somewhere within a target range of about probably 43 to maybe about 45 in terms of doing frequencies use yes well actually that would be even on the X part so that would probably be your worst case scenario because it has the most amount of course so it's the most complex on overclock that number surprised me because I honestly thought with the 3.0 base clock on that right that they were they were saying okay well due to the due to the infrastructure to complexity right yeah maybe it just overclocking wasn't gonna be a huge portion of it I know they advertised you know that the haswell-e was a it was towards an enthusiast and overclockers and I thought well because of the base course our clock is so much lower than the other two SKUs maybe it couldn't achieve those those you know for 4.0 plus numbers but you're saying they even in the worst case scenario they were reaching for you yeah even a worst case scenario overall from what we're seeing from the current set of CPUs which are going to be indicative of retail mass production CPUs right pretty much everybody's gonna be targeting somewhere between at a minimum four to 4.2 gigahertz the majority sample is probably closer to maybe 60 to 70% are gonna be in that like I said 43 about 45 could you imagine for 25 gigahertz on 16 threads is insane I can't get my mind around that and it does it makes me smile because when you get to use that type of system and you gets it the two through something at my performance it's pretty monster and it's awesome for multi-threaded applications like editors and but also to live streamers yeah it's huge because if you got to do gaming and rendering on the same machine like I do when I when I fire up my twitch stream because I don't like to do streaming boxes and stuff I just keep it simple yep use something like xsplit dxtory you know you're pulling the DirectX the fact you basically essentially have to the performance of to eight core or eight thread processors like a z97 granite doesn't just slice in half right but just theoretically that those threads can be diversified to where you're not going to get framedrops in your game nearly as much when you're doing live streaming yeah I think I I'm gonna tell you right now I'm I couldn't decide what core I wanted go away tonight I was pretty set on the fact that I was going to just go with the 59 30k because well you know they probably overclock better but you came in here today JJ and you've flipped my plans upside down and you're costing me more money well so continuing actually on that point you know one of the great advantages to though from if we talk about total frequency is that the K part versus the X part because it actually has less course we'll get a little bit more overclocking so you're gonna maybe look at an additional you know 100 200 megahertz so overall effectively you look at the best cpu-z both on K and on the X part you're gonna probably be somewhere within the range of about four point six to four point eight gigahertz but overall as a whole you know that's gonna be in a much lower subset in terms of achievable CPUs probably right maybe ten percent of CPUs are gonna be in the you know four seven two four eight range and very low are gonna be beyond that the best overall weight weighted high-performance CPUs are gonna be CPUs that can actually run 46 across all eight cores and I always exceed threats I would much I personally much rather have a slower overclocking CPU though with those 16 threads yeah cuz you're talking four extra threads over the hexa core and 200 megahertz it's very it's very difficult to notice unless you're doing synthetic benchmarking and day to day used anyway on a for Corey yeah once once you can get from that three gigahertz the you know let's say for point to four point four right the difference between that 4.4 to 4.6 is far lower but you know there's a lot of knobs and switches in this platform in general as well so when we talk about how you can kind of tune the platform for even better performance it's not just gonna come from pure frequency there's gonna be the cash ratio or exactly there's the ddr4 aspect of it there's also even going to be the per core overclocking you know a lot of users always just kind of treat the platform from a singular frequency perspective but a lot of what you have available to you here is how you can tune it you can tune me to have just four cores operate at 4.6 4.7 gigahertz and then maybe have all eight cores actually operate at let's say four point three four point two right even giving yourself that much better performance so as you go from it let's say maybe playing game two premier to handbrake to whatever defecation control them in it exactly exactly and it gives you much more flexibility so all the way around I think it's an exciting platform for enthusiasts for overclockers and there's a great level of performance and you know thermals are gonna be something that you have to always still keep in mind depending on what your cooling solution is the bid ranges play around a little bit with that they're quite variable you know like you said I think wrapping that up you know you're talking about probably vids from about one point two seventy-five to a little bit beyond maybe you know one point three five to one point three seven five but even if you can thermally keep it in check one thing that you do want to keep in mind is going to be the current it's gonna be coming through the system that is a big factor as well right I'm talking about all this eight core sixteenth red stuff is giving you an eye twitch because it's right there okay so the other two aspects of this launch obviously ddr4 and x99 so what kind of improvements have we really seen with ddr4 over ddr3 in terms of performance well in terms of performance the great thing is that from a stock perspective ddr4 is already going to be providing you better performance at lower voltage so you're gonna get better thermals and lower power by 2 volts you're saying correct 1.2 volts is the default along with 2133 so when we compare that to pretty much what the equivalent or the standard is on the dr3 side ddr3 is looking at generally 1.5 at 1600 so that's come dims as 1.65 yeah yeah that's correct so all the way around that's a great improvement but really where we get a lot more leg room is gonna be in what the frequency can be afforded now I mean some people are looking initially a ddr4 and looking at taking a look at the timings and thinking wow the timing seemed really tie but you have to keep in mind that the frequency is high and the voltage is very low that it's achieving that at and actually it scales actually exceedingly well so that if you go ahead and drive a little bit more voltage to it or you want to increase frequency it's got a leg room we're seeing 2133 modules 2400 modules reach 26 2800 frequency you know with Corsair the system right here that we're running this are 2800 dims and we're already getting a vengeance yeah these are the new Vengeance xlx locomotives really yeah nice of the air coolers won't be an interview yeah you know it's fantastic so sorry all the way around though from a frequency perspective there's just a lot more legroom built into the platform I mean at launch you're gonna be seeing kits pretty much from about 21 33 to about 3,200 and you know even as a year year-and-a-half go by that number is only going to continue to scale up significantly beyond that right now ddr3 we're about at the end road where we're hitting kind of a wall where 300 where excuse me 3000 you know 30 31 32 hundred it's possible but it gets very very very complex on being able to achieve that consistent are you finding though that you know overclocking these CPUs you can still maintain those high frequencies of RAM for sure it is actually definitely possible on most of these actually CPUs are not gonna have an issue running the memory dividers at 2400 2600 even 2800 but as always this is an extremely important point that you bring up as the platform as a whole everything affects everything right right so the higher you drive CPU frequency the harder it will be also to drive high memory frequency only the best of the best of the CPUs can do everything well so that means if some CPUs may do that Silicon lottery would yeah some CPUs may do 46 at 2800 and a high cash ratio of 4.6 other CPUs might only do let's say 4.6 but the memory divider maybe is not as strong and it can only do 2400 and the cash ratio is at 4 gigahertz so this is always a little bit of permutation and there's always like you said that lottery effect but the great consistency as far as what we're seeing is that it's still extremely consistently high across all the CPUs and if you're also not going to be overclocking although all the parts by default all overclockable so I would say over them yeah well at least you for you know the 4 gigahertz marker right but is easy to achieve those yes yes very actually very easy even at that marker though there shouldn't generally be any issues running fairly high aggressive ddr4 frequencies right an exampie profile full of full compatibility yeah there is a new XMP profile spec though but of course we've worked with with all the memory partners and especially with Coursera to make sure that you got great interoperability compatibility so you can drop it in there you can go ahead and able the X and P and you can be rock and rollin yeah but yeah you have I have to assume too that even though the worst performing my worst performing I mean the lower range of overclocking ability of these chips it's gonna outperform the z97 series just hands-down in every way possible yeah well I mean the great thing that you have overall if we just kind of recap on all these points is that one architectural e right we've gone ahead and incorporated that letters latest generation of the core right and that's very important because those are instruction sets right so that's the IPC performance historically you know the higher cores they usually use older generational IPC right so you get the cores and you get the cash but sometimes the the newer generation processor features better efficiency and better architecture but this way around we pretty much get everything we could really want we get the cores we get the cache the Express Lanes the overclocking capability the tuning to it all and ddr4 it is truly the absolute best enthusiast platform now it's not an entry level platform this is not gonna be something to work out of simply yeah this is not for the users that are interested in building you know an $800 gaming rig right this is really for users that are looking to build you know really top-line high-performance systems but also that are probably targeting a long-term value proposition oh yeah you build this type of system and you've got you're thinking I'm not gonna upgrade from year to year or even in two years you're probably targeting you know three to five year I've cycles I get a lot of people ask me questions you know they're still in x58 is it worth going to X I mean I never I always told them no hold off and even then unless you really have a need for all of the added benefit in performance of X 99 and haswell-e it still may not make sense to upgrade for you depending on what your usage cases are yeah because you have your use cases you're just doing general browsing and gaming you may not see much of an improvement in terms of daily driving at these days that's a great point and that actually probably is gonna cover into some of the other content pieces that we talked about but from our perspective also as a motherboard vendor we also try to look at the total experience so sometimes you don't always upgrade purely from performance you might upgrade for other aspects of functionality usability right so like on X 58 maybe you're missing USB 3 maybe you don't have SATA 6g maybe the fan control functionality is limited and you wish your system was quieter right so you know I think what a user should always do first and foremost and you've done a great job with the content that you've provided to your viewers is try to look at what's your realistic usage everyday right what do you want out of your system and some of those things are definitely gonna be performance oriented some of those things may be usability oriented and then figure out okay is that something that I need to transition over to a platform for and then also in that same vein which platforms enable those experiences right it might not be that I have to jump all the way over to X 99 to do it right I can jump over to you know z97 right you know it just depends right you know balance those things out and this is where you know what I'm sure will get some users say well it doesn't make any sense I have z97 there's no point every user is always gonna be in respective camp to what makes sense to them and this is just kind of rounding out that entire portfolio right just like you've got three monitors most people would say there's no reason for a GTX 780 Ti part right right well if you're only running a 1080p panel then there probably isn't right but if you're somebody that has this then of course it makes sense you need higher-end components to be able to enable the experience you want there's there's there's a usage scaling that's involved with Hardware scaling I mean yeah everyone's situation is different well there you have it guys x99 haswell-e there's a lot of information now this video is a little longer than the norm but the information very very quality information hey uh Jerry that's gonna have to go into now choake just twice jjjj Jerry to measure names like John alright guys I know this video has been a little longer than the norm from my channel but there was a lot of amazing information here as brought to us by JJ thank you very much for a couple on a plane coming all the way down here bringing your hardware that I don't whatever so guys uh x99 amazing platform the eight cores bringing more than I thought was gonna be achievable on the table and I just can't what you guys are gonna see some x99 stuff on this channel in the future guaranteed so guys thanks for watching as always make sure you go check out PC DIY as well they have a channel over there plug your channel real quick yeah you can go to PC DIY YouTube channel as well as our website PC DIY H news com yep in its all about PC building and won't do it yourself which is when I'm a huge advocate as always guys we will see you in 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