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so for the first time since starting my youtube career we actually have something new and exciting to talk about from camp AMD and that being obviously the new zen architecture or rise in CPUs that I would assume you've all heard about by now now of course we've seen some launches in the past which are slight upgrades and tweaks to the existing bulldozer architecture but this is a new x86 architecture built from the ground up so it is entirely new which is kind of the best part about that so obviously I have to do a build and yeah I haven't done an AMD like custom build any very long time so this should be good but anyway let's take a look here at what AMD actually sent over you can kind of see what we're going to be doing here now you guys have seen this before already I'm sure Paul did a very good unboxing video on that here we have an 1800 X kind of need that we've got some lpx memory here from Corsair this is vengeance 16 gigabyte or 2 times 8 gigabyte sticks of 3,000 megahertz ddr4 and of course we have the asu's crosshair 6 here oh this is kind of near and dear to me because I started my channel on a crosshair live formula from AMD with my 8320 CPU so I kind of feel like we've gone full circle now to keep things cool they have sent over B not to at Nhu 12s II am for cooler and what's cool about this is it actually has blacks fans I mean who's got who would've thought black planet fans actually existed from Noctua chips it up there they are actually an all black fan request so it BJ's 2 cents if I did air cooling so as much as I appreciate the gesture AMD I'm just going to kind of move that over there because I've got some plans for this so without further ado let's take a look at what I come up with if I look really tired my eyes are really red and I'm squinting and stuff guys I spent four days Billy I should only sit 2 days building this but I spent two more days troubleshooting some of the issues that unfortunately arise with new platforms anyway it's going to talk about what I built here this is of course the fantex end to evolve with the tempered glass editions we've got glass on this thing it looks fantastic now seeing it in these pictures and/or those videos because they're just too reflective but I took two of my GTX Titan X Maxwell cards the ones that came out of skunk works I put those in here is in SLI and I didn't want to do that at first because I want to be able to easily swap out the cards on this but I have a feeling this system is going to stay together because it turned out really frickin good now of course we've got the 1800 X from AMD in there I've got 16 gigabytes of Corsair Vengeance lpx low profile memory and a very custom water loop in here now before people start saying you can't run your list that way it's not going to work because it's just going to pass by no it works perfectly fine guys the flow splits itself between the blocks and the CPU all the temperatures are perfectly within check well with the exception of the CPU I can't monitor temps on that I think it turned out great it really really did of course I've got the Vardar fans on there with the ek rads I got 240 in the front 45 ml 240 on the front and a 30 mil 360 millimeter radiator on top now for power supplied got the Corsair RM 850 X some people thought that maybe the 850 might be a little bit low when I showed pictures of this on Instagram but trust me when I say it's plenty especially with the quite aggressive power efficiency are quite aggressive and you got with their power efficiency especially with the 1800 X which is at 95 watt so we've got more than enough power now one of the reasons why this video took so long as being the J that I am I decided I wanted to play around with overclocking where I then somehow proceeded to brick one of my crosshair 6 hero motherboards still not entirely sure how that happened it simply boot loops like crazy and switching out the motherboard we're fine CPU works fine something went weird and wonky with the BIOS in one of these boards I've definitely been in communication with Asus about this they are going to be taking the board back and fully diagnosing it to see what went wrong because that's of course how you make better BIOS and stuff you find out will be wrong and you fix it so I just happen to have a second board though by chance and here we are now back up and running with it so that meant I spent all night Thursday night tearing this apart putting it back together reinstalling the operating system reinstalling games and all of that which is why this video is so late so I apologize for that but anyway here we are now with all the build stuff out of the way let's go ahead and talk about the performance of these CPUs now I did not do a direct comparison between any Intel chips I wanted to see what these things were capable of pretty much just on their own because I I am I don't care that AMD was comparing it to the 69 hundred K I I really take all that with a grain of salt because even if the 69 hundred K beats it the argument is usually well it should it's more than twice the price but we are at least getting very very comparable performance level of the 69 hundred K at half the price for highly multi-threaded applications things like Cinebench and blender and handbrake things that go well we've got all these cores let's leverage it the problem is when you start talking about gaming it's not quite so cut and dry fair warning moving forward regarding games though is I did not do a very in-depth dive in gaming because I spent a very long time and many hours just trying to be with BIOS and stability issues so unfortunately a lot of my time that I had allocated to spend gaming the crap out of the system was spent just getting it to work but I did use some of the titles I use when I do my GPU benchmarking like Metro last light doom in Vulcan dirt rally which is very good at usually stressing a CPU and of course synthetics like fire strike and heaven now they did very well they did do very well the problem is if you look at any other reviewer on the market pretty much pick anyone who actually decided to compare these to something like a 7700 K the Intel offering at around 3 fifty dollars is still VIP cking which is giving you better performance in 1080p gaming then these CPUs are in fact there's even online evidence of AMD getting their nose extremely at a joint with reviewers who decided to do 1080p testing and II believe that these CPUs are directly aimed at 1440p and 4k gamers now I'm going to go ahead and call that out right now as a load of crap because the more resolution you put into your game the more you're offloading the load onto the GPU and the CPU becomes less of a factor 1080p gaming is a very relevant test to CPU overhead because your CPU is tasked with trying to keep up with the massive amount of frames being drawn by your graphics cards in fact if you go look at the Steam Hardware analytics you will find that 1080p gaming is still extremely dominant so that's why we do 1080p gaming it is talking directly to the majority but then again it's also very fair to call me out and say J most people attain a DP panel wouldn't be running dual titannics maxwell cards and with that i would say you're absolutely right but this was a good way to see just how far we could push the FPS before the cpu really starts to become a factor now 1080p gaming on the 1800 x was pretty freakishly smooth I have to admit even though I'm throwing a crap ton of frames at it it seemed to keep up pretty well in fact if I didn't have an FPS counter up in the corner I would have absolutely no idea what the frames running at because it was very very high but frame pacing I also seems to be improved a little bit over like some of the testing I've done on i-5 and i7 7700 KF region recently with the KB Lake launch I would have no problems recommending this CPU to someone running 1080p gaming in fact the only weird anomaly anomaly the only anomaly I really experienced though while gaming was while running Doom with the Vulcan API at 4k on Ultra settings where I experienced an extreme amount of input lag in fact enough where I even engaged slow-mo on my camera to kind of try and see just how bad it was you guys can see here it was pretty unplayable but yeah that was I can't really explain that one when I would bring it down to 1080p or 1440p it was perfectly fine with no lag whatsoever now that kind of brings me to the recommendation side of this video jay-j do you recommend AMV Raisa I'm going to tell you this this is by far though the most compelling argument that we've seen from AMD regarding CPUs in a very long time my problem regarding recommending it right now has nothing to do with the actual architecture of the chip itself it has to do with these guys right here AMD didn't get a lot of lead time for the many manufacturers of motherboards to be able to refine and optimize the BIOS there's also some optimization that needs to take place inside the operating system and God knows there's some level of optimization that needs to take place in terms of the game developers perfect example is the heaven benchmark we're running it on Rison CPU one was usually pegged at 100% usage guaranteed to be above 90 but like I said sometimes hitting 100 now I thought that was kind of strange because I've recently done some heaven benchmarks where I noticed that it was the hyper-threaded cores that were kind of sitting idle but the rest of the cores were actually splitting the load between them so that kind of prompted me to fire up my Intel system which is going right behind me right here and do the exact same test and again like I expected the utilization was being spread out across the cores themselves again with hyper-threading kind of not doing anything but we saw a much more balanced load so that obviously means we need to wait for some optimizations to happen now I did play around with the affinity it made no difference whatsoever with the rise in CPU it still pegged out number one and then the load just fell off hardcore as it went down the course deck so my recommendation to the people asking me should you buy Rison or wait is this if you are going to buy Rison you are also buying into cutting edge bleeding edge technology which unfortunately is usually pretty painful as you're waiting for optimizations and updates to come about you would also be buying into probably some level of headaches and if you're buying it specifically hoping to get amazing overclocking performance I've got bad news for you overclocking on these things is very very very disappointing it's average about 300 megahertz overclock I ran all of these tests at 3.9 gigahertz and some folks are hitting four gigs and it's like the top 1% or hitting 4.1 now silicon manufacturing quality can't improve over time which might help some of the overclocks but again time is going to tell but if you are someone that wants to buy it and have 100% stability upfront then you might want to hold off this a little bit and I'm not saying hold off by not buying it and going with Intel I'm saying hold off and wait until we see some maturity on the software side of things with BIOS and operating system and game optimizations this is brand new architecture guys this has never been seen before including by the developers and even by some of the manufacturers of the motherboard anyway there's my video regarding Rison I can't get forward it is I don't feel like it was deep enough but I didn't get to spend a lot of time doing the testing I wanted to spend a lot of time trying to get the damn thing to work which is why my recommendation regarding waiting for maturity on the software side of things it's probably going to be my stance on this for a while of course I will be doing 1700 X and 1700 s testing as well the 1700's is by far I think the real interesting one in all of this because it's so much cheaper but I'm more interested in seeing what 3 & 5 have to bring anyway guys tell me about is video like if you like it guys I put I put so much ridiculous time into this video this crazy build was simply because I felt you guys deserve seeing a crazy AMD build I think it turned out pretty damn well anyway follow me over on Twitter if you want to tell me J you suck you should never review another CPU again I'd probably take that statement and run with it because it's just sometimes such a headache anyway I'm going to sleep down guys thanks for watching this video as always I will see you in the next one