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what's up guys Jase $0.02 here in its launch day for Intel Z 370 chipset which means both companies have pretty much all their cards on the table from the bottom of their stack to the top and so it makes it a very good time as a buyer to build a system you're pretty safe right now that nothing new and top tier even mate mid level is gonna be getting launched anytime soon because both sides have already just shoved all of their products to market 2017 was a really exciting year for PC builders or PC enthusiasts because you have so much hardware to consider that makes sense on both sides of the fence now disclaimer because I have to put this out there otherwise people come up with their own like really stupid ideas of how these videos work yes Intel sent me the CPU but so did AMD neither of this company sent me any cash for any reason or even gave me any input whatsoever on how this video should be made this is 100% my idea and my test of methodology and my opinions I don't know why that's so hard people understand but now that that's out of the way let's talk about this we've got the 8700 K over here and that's a it's an interesting CPU for Intel because it's the first time they put six cores and 12 threads on their main stream CPU we've seen that plenty of times on the extreme right X 58 X 79 X 99 X 299 so we've got right here are two test benches I made well there's boxes right I make many perfectly good test benches one is Z 370 featuring 8700 K one is ax 370 gaming five from Oris which is also gigabyte featuring a 1700 X now why did I put the 8700 K versus the 1700 X because there's a lot of weird ways I could have done this video because this is the $359 CPU the problem is AMD doesn't have a $359 CPU they have a $200 CPU at $300 CPU and a $4 CPU so it's kind of like the whole AMD versus Nvidia thing where they're constantly like leapfrogging each other I could have gone core for core which means I'd be putting the 8700 K versus of the rise in 1600 X this comes in at just over $200 this comes in at three hundred and fifty nine dollars this is the clear winner in terms of bargain and in price to performance but still has good performance the day AMD was always well there the performance per dollar King where you could spend you know money on an FX platform and it would just get smashed by anything Intel had to offer passed the Ivy Bridge series and your your argument was yeah but it didn't cost a lot well now you're actually are getting really good performance that still doesn't cost a lot compared to the Intel variant I still feel like the 1700 X is still a really good sweet spot in terms of the X 370 platform but you could save even more money by going with a 1700 the difference is I don't have to overclock this one as far as I would a 1700 and unfortunately my 1700 s kind of a dud it doesn't overclock very well so that's why I came up with this methodology we won't talk about how weird things are in the state of affairs right now you can get the $359 z3 7080 700 K or you could get the 359 dollars according to Amazon anyway at three hundred and fifty nine dollars i7 7800 okay or X whatever it is thank god think it's a case Q but it's also a six core 12 thread on the X platform so it's this weird that you could have a six core in a 12 core on both platforms simultaneously yes I know it's actually it's happened before with quad cores but this first time it's kind of happened but six core all right enough is enough we're gonna do one test live which is Cinebench then i'm gonna run through all of my tests overclock it and then run through my tests again so that you can see exactly what you get free money on both sides one other thing to point out too is this is not a stacked test where I've got an air cooler on the AMD build and I've got a water cooler on the intel build if you guys have been following any of this and you know that Intel runs hot 7700 k was hot the latest CPUs on the X platform next to 99 and stuff is hot because they stopped soldering and they're using thermal interface material between the heat spreaders now and temperatures were my limiting factor of how far I could overclock this on air but temperatures were not what was limiting risin risin architecture is what was limiting rise in so I still had Headroom and temperatures lots of it left over over here on the air cooler where the Intel I had no choice but to take the air cooler off and put on water just to keep it under control so we're at stock speeds right now and we're just gonna do our 15 first 8 core 16 thread versus six core 12 thread let's see if I can time this three two one go that stock speeds this one boosted up to 4.7 that one's sitting at 3.5 looks like we're up to 3.8 for a second but came back down to 3.5 but it certainly looks like that's hard to tell who's winning we should to be honest we've got a massive clock differential though it's almost a gigahertz faster over here than over there so we got a 15 27 versus a 1559 so both of those scores that's that's what that's negligent negligible you're not going to notice a real-world difference but that's just one test right what I'm gonna do right now is I'm gonna go through quite a few tests and then we'll come back and we'll talk about so it's stock speeds it should be no surprise that the 8700 K best did the 1700 x mean one it's more expensive even though the 1700 X has more cores core count isn't everything there's a few reasons why it one at stock tests and we'll talk about this because if you're running a rise in the system there's some things you need to be aware of one make sure your system is running high performance mode on the rise in you know power options go into high performance that's important of course we were set there but the 8700 K is running anywhere between 900 megahertz to 8 gigahertz a whole gigahertz faster then the rise end system and a lot of this stuff core speed is king versus core count and as we move into these high core count CPUs it's gonna take time for programs starting to catch up again it's kind of this leapfrog thing right where high core count I say hi core count dual-core and quad-core CPUs came out about a decade ago and then programs had to catch up and then they caught up and now we have more cores but the programs aren't leveraging all those cores so the core speed matters a lot it's one of the things to you need to be aware of if you're running a risin system and that is memory speed it's no surprise that memory speed matters with Rison this has been tested over and over and over but if you just build the system out right and you boot into your BIOS check this out our frequency as you can see is running on the memory at 2144 technically 2133 and the problem is that the default base clock speed of ddr4 is 21 33 even like these sticks of RAM I have in here right here are 3000 megahertz dibs on both sides but both both of these systems are running at 21 33 because that's the base clock so a lot of people will build up their system put it together and just boot it and leave it because they're like oh I don't want to overclock I'm afraid but then they buy this fast RAM and they don't realize that they're running at the base clock so we're gonna do right now is we're gonna go ahead and overclock I have actually got a profile this is a 3.9 gigahertz overclock profile we're also running at 29 33 on the megahertz that's a on the memory that's a big deal I couldn't actually get it to post anything faster unfortunately rise does like fast memory so if you can get that above 3000 you're only gonna benefit yourself we're gonna go ahead and boot that and I'm gonna do now is also going to go into the Intel system and I'm gonna overclock this now I had a choice I had to make with this my chip is capable of a 5.2 gigahertz with a lot of volts and gets kind of hot 5.1 it's capable with it with an AI oh so what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna run five gigs because again I'm not sure that's a very clicky keyboard right get into the BIOS okay I'm not sure if I was sent to cherry-pick CPU so I'm not gonna run the Mac's capable of what I can get on this although I'm seeing reports of most people hitting 5 gigahertz or beyond and up to 30 600 megahertz on the memory what I'm gonna do is I'm trying to pick something more middle of the ground because what you're gonna notice with with the rise in here by the way is it power cycles three times whenever I play this overclock so it's it's kind of picky but it will it will work anyway come back over here so just like I mentioned we're running at 21 33 even though we have 3,000 megahertz sticks of RAM in there this is really easy to overclock it's just put in a multiplier so in this case I put in 50 Ram is running at 3200 megahertz and then we've got CPU voltage I'm running at one point three six oh I can actually run that at one point three five because that was for my voltage for the five point one so we're just gonna leave that DRAM voltage is good other than that that's the only settings we change with the exception of I'm gonna also don't you know what we're fine that's it that's all we change multiplier Ram speed voltage just those three things and you can achieve five gigs on 8700 K pretty easily something else you'll also notice though is I am running the air cooler over here at 100% I've got Vardar fans on there which are high static pressure fans we've got a ton of air movement there I could feel the air all the way back here that's why we're not having any cooling issues on air even though as you can see right here come on we are overclocked to 3.9 gigahertz it says three point eight nine but is overclocked three point nine and over here on the Intel system as you can see we are running 4.96 or technically five gigs but we're gonna do now is we're gonna run through all those tests again and see what happens to the comparative results when overclocking is applied especially memory because we only went up 500 megahertz on the Rison system we went up about 300 megahertz no yeah about 300 megahertz on the Intel system so not a huge jump in terms of both but the memory speed was a big deal on both so as expected overclocking both CPUs got us higher scores but we still had a pretty you know consistent interval between both CPUs but I still think you know I can't this isn't one of those videos where I can say here's a clear winner because it really depends on what you're doing the platform's are not created equal right there's still some issues with raid and rise in and although in AMD is making good strides in getting more native raid support on Verizon you're still gonna get a more fluid experience I think on the Intel platform with things like raid support vrock and obtain I mean that's that's kind of a hard sell I don't know if anyone that would necessarily run out and buy intel specifically because of those things but the couple of things I want to talk about here that the the premiere render obviously it favors core clock right core clock we've known this for a while you add more cores Adobe doesn't care too much you add core speed man does it go through the roof it's one of the reasons why the 79 60 X I'm using upstairs right now when I do my rendering with 16 cores and 32 threads it's really not any faster than my 7900 X which was a 10 core 20 thread so yeah it just doesn't make that much of a difference it has everything to do with speed now the same thing kind of goes with the 1080i is as well where we actually saw in both systems when you overclock the CPU you get better scores in things like tomb raider and 3d mark and all of that because even though CPUs are fast meant that the top-of-the-line GPUs they're still so fast we're even something like an eighty seven hundred KS I really don't want to call it bottlenecking but there was an improvement to be had by increasing the core speed of the chip one of the things I've kind of noticed though as I've been playing about the 8700 K comparing it to CPUs I've gotten to look at in the past like the 7700 the 6700 K is we saw a huge jump in this generation not only in the core count but also core speed right 5 gigahertz which is kind of the magic number like oh my god 5 gigahertz is never gonna happen on the current process or the current silicon is not gonna be capable of 5 gigs and suddenly now we're seeing 5 gigs with no problem now it makes me honestly feel like that it's the industry was indeed holding out or at least Intel was I mean it kind of seems that way we're seeing 5 gigs 6 cores 12 threads no problem whatsoever heck even my 79 80 XE almost hit five gigs 4.9 no problem so at the end of the day either either side really has compelling arguments on which CPU platform you should go with AMD is more relevant today than it's ever been relevant enough to where you're seeing the kind of improvement increase in one generation like you just saw right here with Intel pulled in sooner than the original roadmap because now we have competition in the space so I'm not gonna sit here and say you should buy Intel or you should buy AMD the Rison system is still one of my favorites at this price point because this is $60 less than that so that really makes this kind of look like a real competitor when yeah sure it was being beaten by the 8700 K but it should have been that's a more expensive CPU and you get more cores here to play around with if you're looking at doing things like virtual machines if you just want to do anything that requires core count over core speed then maybe this is the more compelling option but the point of this video wasn't to walk in here and say buy this one buy this one right here although you can you know Amazon links and stuff description below it there's too many variables to say which one's right for you what I will say though it's it's exciting that we finally have compelling platforms on both sides that's the reason why this exists today don't forget this exists today because this did so well otherwise you'd still be waiting until 2018 for that so market competition happened and we have a direct result now we're now hopefully AMD can answer because that's what needs to happen anyway guys thanks for watching today's video let me know what kind of test you think we should do on CPU CPU is a hard thing to test GPUs are easy run your games compare them but CPUs are kind of tough there's a lot of different workloads so let me know what you guys think I should include in this and when we do the 8,400 I'll make sure to include that anybody thinks for watching today's video as always I'll see you in the next one