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what's up guys Jays $0.02 here and here we are bringing you our very first video in our first set that we built we got two more to go but that's besides the point this has been an exciting Computex one that I'm sad that I've missed but alas I have to move the studio and I have this to build so I'm kind of glad that I stayed to do this but at the same time man this is an exciting year when it comes to Intel vs. AMD's we're gonna talk about a few things today we're not gonna talk specifically about the specs we'll talk about a little bit we're not gonna give you an overview of Intel's announcements and AMD's announcements because I'm sure you've already seen those videos in your inbox so rather than be repetitive and just share the information with you again I'm go ahead and go ahead and invite you guys to go and look at your other favorite content creators that are at Computex right now covering that information and the keynotes and stuff as they're happening what I want to do right now is talk to you about the the way of thinking moving forward with the CPU purchases because summertime is when most people tend to upgrade or buy a whole new computer or build a whole new computer and there's some things I think you guys need for food-for-thought because the the entire status quo is changing today's video is brought to you by north VPN a VPN service I have been using for years now like you wouldn't walk around with your precious expensive cell phone without a case on it would you okay I guess plenty of you do but I digress it will put a case around your internet experience why I let the isp slow you down and control your data and control your packets slowing down your streaming services YouTube Netflix and all that sort of stuff with article 13 and make constant up in the air no one knows what's happening net neutrality here in the US you can stop people from spying on your internet connection and your data and slowing down your internet by connecting to a secure VPN an 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at a price you want to get it what you're kind of getting all of that so we've got five new SKUs here from AMD and and I'm not going to go through all the specs okay I'm not gonna do that because this video is more or less talking to you about the product maybe have a look at the big picture in terms of buying or building or upgrading your new computer or your existing computer because summertime tends to be the most common time people do it because of Computex so I'm gonna put some food for thought plant some seeds in your brain hopefully some roots that come out your ears to help you figure out how to look at this in terms of building or upgrading your next computer we'll also talk a little bit about what Intel showcased but to be honest and Kel Intel Intel even killed didn't show anything new regarding process two except for one which kind of deserves a joke all on its own we'll talk about that later so we've got the risin 5 - SKUs horizon 5 - SKUs horizon 7 and a new risin 9 which is the 3900 X their new flagship 12 core 24 thread 7 nanometers a TSMC 7 nanometre FinFET architecture which is funny because intel has been like unable to even get their 10 nanometers stuff out in a timely manner AMD is now rocking a 7 enemy2 FinFET but in a different way so we'll kind of talk about that and that's what I sort of want to get some food for thought and your guys's head now we don't know yet what the boos clock is gonna be for all cores we do know that the base clock is a 3.8 gigahertz on which is which is kind of funny it's 3.8 which is faster than like even the 3600 which is arisin 5 but 3.8 on all chloric law are on all cores on the 3900 X 3.9 on the 3800 X which is an 8 core 16 thread what a lot of people were kind of hoping for which might still come later was an 18 core 36 thread Desktop mainstream desktop processor because these are running on am for still but it's an x5 70 chipset so if you're gonna be going to the store looking for like an X 470 that's compatible with someone like the the thirty six hundred and thirty six hundred X because remember and be promised us am for to at least 2020 which means it's possible to put an incompatible processor into a motherboard and vice versa so what you want to look for first of all is that sticker on the box that says Zen - ready or whatever the sticker is gonna be just like we saw with the 2000 series Verizon vs. the 1000 series or the 1800 and all that sort of stuff but with the twelve core 24 thread we're seeing a 4.6 gigahertz max boost clock now we don't know yet how many cores are gonna be boosted at that usually when we talk about max boost clock it's of one or two cores and you're probably gonna see the same thing here but 4.6 gigahertz on even one or two course is pretty damn good considering the fact if you've tried to overclock any previous rise in processor then you would probably remember or know that getting above 3.9 or 4 gigs is a chore on all cores so that's why I'm trying to I really can't wait to see what we're gonna actually gonna be getting in terms of all core boosts clock because 3.8 is already an overclock for even the the older processors and getting 3.8 on all cores was difficult they're now doing it with 12 core 24th right on 7 animator what you might have noticed though is the lack of any discussion regarding thread Ripper and they're using the term epoch again which was their data center processors their cloud farm processors rendering processors that sort of stuff it was a very high-end enterprise solution with tons of core count member what 32 cores or something like that 24 cores in each one something very high core count and what it looks like might be happening here as AMD is trying very hard to reach that mainstream market with a higher core count rather than segmenting their product stack with an extreme platform and a mainstream platform but to have a single product stack that can scale from extra small to extra large rather than men having to switch out your whole platform like for a new motherboard and all that sort of stuff which is what Intel has been doing for quite a while fun fact the only you can get a 12 core 24 thread processor on Intel is to go with a 79 20x which is significantly more money then the four hundred $99 price point also to the 12 core 24 thread is a hundred and five watt part versus I believe one hundred and forty watts on the Intel 79 20x so not only have they matched the core count not only have they matched and technically exceeded the boost clock and turbo clock or boost clock of the the base clock and boosts clock of the intel part they're doing it at less power so all of those heat your room and set your home on fire in the summer time AMD jokes should just be dubbed now intel jokes if you want to be technical about it so that's definitely worth looking at it all all the processors though on Zen to do feature PCI Express 4.0 let's talk about that for a second I've seen some comments on Twitter and Facebook and an online of who cares about PCI a 4.0 it doesn't matter because our graphics cards were still not saturating pcie 3.0 which was the same discussion we had when 3.0 came out because pcie 2.0 was was still kind of the main the norm then I think a lot of people are failing to look at here is this is not just about graphics this is also about a lot of people now utilizing the PCI Express interface for mass storage or for raid cards or for you know m dot 2 cards and stuff like that where the actual bottleneck for your i/o and your storage becomes the interface itself so we know SATA has been saturated for a long time SATA 6 is long gone a 550 megabytes is the theoretical fastest you can get on that which is why we moved to m dot 2 on the motherboard directly but the problem is you're limited to how many of those m dot 2 slots you can have on your motherboard because of spacing and that it takes up already plus you're having it mounted down flat on your motherboard introduce some cooling issues especially when they're sitting underneath of a graphics card blowing hot air on them so a lot of people would go with it some sort of a PCI Express card to put your m2 s on there which now doubles ends up to raid cards as well you start having 2 M 2 s and a PCI Express you can definitely saturate that throughput very very quickly much faster than any graphics card cut so PCI Express 4.0 is very beneficial for those people looking for extremely fast storage so that's something definitely worth talking about Oh also to the system memory specification is 3,200 megabytes or megabytes 300 megahertz on all of the parts which is significantly higher than the original 2133 of the original rise and stuff the other thing I want to talk about here though in terms of questions the only concern I have and the reason why I have this concern and I can't wait to test these parts is the fact that thread Ripper require had the Infinity fabric that's what Intel referred to as the glue they're just multiple chips put on a there multiple SOC s that just glued together yeah I know the Infinity fabric was a very well thought out engineered piece of ingenuity putting multiple like Chiclets together and having them communicate the issue was when we learned specifically about it at SIGGRAPH back in 2017 was the fact that the Infinity fabric introduced a little bit of latency and a little bit of latency depending on the process that's happening and the instructions could turn into a big result depending on the task that you're doing namely gaming thread Ripper I don't think was ever really intended to be a gaming CPU but you could play games on it and the problem was that and they specifically went through lessons on this we went through our press day was some games saw a beneficial increase in FPS minimum FPS and max FPS by disabling the Infinity fabric altogether and going from that creator mode to that gamer mode the problem was you lost half your cores with it but the problem was you then had to go in and be like okay I'm gonna play this game I'm gonna disable it now I'm gonna do some work I need to re-enable it and it was just kind of cumbersome to have to deal with something like that so considering the fact that Zen 2 and the core counts that you're seeing here are dual seven nanometer chip --let's with a third 14 nanometer IO chip tlit which is handling things like the memory controller the PCI Express the chipset all that sort of stuff I'm curious as to what that situation is going to be again have we have we seen enough of an improvement in that affinity fabric architecture to where that induced increased latency is not going to be an issue where you can just leave it active all the time so those are the five new skews from AMD the 3,600 3,600 X 3700 X 3800 X which is funny though both the 30 one hundred and thirty eight hundred are both a course sixteen thread parts so they are not to be confused where it was like the X version was the same core count but a little bit faster they've kind of restructured the stack a little bit they are all are featuring obviously ddr4 they all require discrete graphics card they also are as low as 65 Watts so the 3600 being a six core 12 thread part using 65 watts so obviously AMD has been really working hard at the efficiency we knew that we still need to see what the actual IPC improvements are on this when we get hands-on with that which won't be until probably closer to July we have a launch date July 7th the next bit of information we're gonna get is gonna be on June 10th or right around there at e3 so yeah we still a lot of waiting we learned some at CES we learned more at Computex we're gonna learn a little more at e3 and we'll get the big picture in July so it's kind of like enough already but you want to know how you can tell that AMD is putting the pressure on Intel normally AMD was the one that kind of had those little tongue-in-cheek marketing campaigns like four gigs means four gigs when the video was going through the three and a half gig 970 debacle they were also known that anytime Jen's son was on stage or doing a keynote or Intel was doing a keynote or something they were putting out these little these little blast marketing campaigns like hey we're over here don't forget us we're waving our flag and it was kind of almost like I'm becoming because some of it was really in bad taste it's kind of funny because Intel started doing that now because everyone's talking about AMD like I am right now I started my channel with AMD I started with an FX 8120 I upgraded to an 8350 and then from there I think I went to a z77 or something and I've been playing around with Intel ever since because the max performance games were always on Intel but our overclocking and stuff but what's also happening too with this chip lit design it's it's allowing them to do better binning because they can actually bend the chip let's before they're actually like final composition or construction of the die because once it's all put together with the controller and everything on the exact same die then you're stuck with it and then if it doesn't pass validation then you have to step down the course or lock the cores member the old days with or that we're locked on AMD and then you could go in and unlock them and maybe get an unstable processor now they can do a much better job at binning which means we'll probably see better overclocking we'll probably sees better across-the-board performance in terms of just you know some processors that you give it 50 megahertz and it just crashes on its face because those are the ones that met the spec but barely we'll probably see a much better job at overclocking with these processors but Intel was kind of putting out a lot of blast marketing like hey more cores doesn't mean better cores are not created equal oh yeah AMD also doesn't suffer from zombie a zombie low misses Zombieland yeah rule 36 never by Intel um that's why AMD does it doesn't suffer from zombie load and it had very little impact from meltdown inspector so there was nothing new to talk about with desktop processors for Intel they really focused on mobile processors they talked about some their integrated graphics changes that are coming we'll do a whole separate video on that we will be doing some some hopefully some Intel testing with some of the new notebooks they've really stepped up their internal graphics or their their AI GPUs to try and compete with like the Vega stuff that you saw with with AMD's 2200 G and 24 energy that's obviously because they poached Raja and they've also now poached tapped from Nvidia so I think we're gonna see the graphics department get bolstered we're where you might see now his Intel get better at the a GPU side but it's like a little more the CPU stuff because they're putting all those eggs in that basket where AMD's cpu side is extremely strong we need the graphics side of AMD to now put the pressure on Nvidia that's what we truly need and Intel is gonna try that too with their graphics and discrete graphics cards as well so it's becoming extremely exciting but let's talk about the one desktop CPU that Intel is sort of talking about the 9900 KS or which has been dubbed the keep spending basically it's the exact same 19 100k you're always been used to that comes out of the box with all cores boosting to 5 gigahertz which I'd yet to find a 90 100 K that couldn't do that already um yeah so anyway if you're looking at building or buying a new computer in the near future I would HIGHLY wait until after we see the independent reviews on the AMD not because I don't think it's gonna be worth it but because I think it's gonna be better than a lot of us are anticipating and that is a huge claim for me because I have always said take AMD news with a grain of salt because AMD has always been known to have some questionable charts and questionable marketing and stuff and the hype train always derailed right before launch I think I think AMD is gonna do everything in their power to make sure this one lives up to what we expected which is why we've been waiting so long for it so anyway guys this is where you chime in now and whether or not you think AMD Zen 2 is worth waiting for what are you guys excited for when it comes to CPUs going through this summer we are going to be doing obviously builds and benchmarks with these I have a lot of high hopes for this and I hope that I'm not let down but that's why this is just a talking head piece because this is all speculative or speculative speculative specular tutoria t'v alright guys thanks for watching and sound off down the comments below I'm sure the family isms are gonna come out in full force so just you know what have at it this is also the complaints bin if you have any complaints put him in here welcome to my new bedroom welcome to my lair we should dude was that could you hear that and now we just 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