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what's up everybody Jays two cents here I'm dropping crap holy shoot hey what's going on everybody Jays two cents here and you guys have been hash tagging the absolute crap out of me with show me the copper because of whoa Paul and Kyle you guys suck and you guys have been wondering where the is the 980ti kingpin edition video well guys here it is right here we're doing it now before we move into the benchmarks and stuff I'm gonna go ahead and address the forehead goatee on my head yes I have ducked my hairline because I plucked my hair when I'm doing frustrating stuff I don't realize it and then I've got to let it grow back so for the next two months I'm gonna look stupid so it's open season go ahead and have fun that's it I'm not touching it no more I'm not I'm not talking about it I'm not pointing out alright enough about that let's go ahead and move into the benchmarks but first it's time to pay some bills if you've been thinking of getting into the hobby of aerial photography then 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really meant for ln2 overclocking and at least water cooling but we're gonna talk about air cooling we're going to talk about I forgot to take a sticker off this oops I guess we'll do that right now huh there we go now it's now it's used so at the heart of this thing is a GM 200 core with all 28 20 116 cuda cores unlocked seven 7,000 megahertz gddr5 six gigabytes of that and other than that that's all that's really inherited from the nvidia version of the card with the 980 TI kingpin this one's actually got 14 +3 power phase on here it's got triple bios it's got physical v droop switch on the back if you guys have ever followed like high-end overclocking back in the let's say the 580 series a 480 series guys we're having to do like the pencil trace we actually drew traces on the PCB with a pencil using the lead to make various connections on the PCB so that you could get things like v droop enabled because all that stuff was sort of disabled from the factory you couldn't control the juubi droop was a thing you had to deal with and if you want to do high-end overclocking you had to find your way around v group which is where the voltage will actually drop under load conditions and create instability when you're shooting for a certain voltage target and you can't hit that because of the V RMS infrastructure so Vince over at kingpin has designed a mechanical V droop switch on here so that if you want to try and push the clocks as far as you can you have control over that but there's all sorts of knobs and dials and whistles and stuff on this thing and on top of it it's got RGB everybody's going towards RGB and you can control that with precision six precision x16 now five point three point seven is recommended with this card because five point three point six had some bugs in it so all the results you're going to see today and regarding overclocking and testing we're done using overclocking suite built into precision X five point three point seven now because this thing has such a massive cooler on it it is freaking heavy I know I talked about the msi card being really heavy and this thing is massively heavy compared to that now power delivery on this thing is nothing short of gargantuan it's got to eight pin PCI Express plugs on here as well as I required six pin there's been cards in the past where you could use the two eight pins or even the eight pin in the six and not use the other one unless you needed it for exhilarating high-end overclocking nope on this one here you've got to have all three power connectors plugged in which means if you want to go with more than two-way SLI it if you want to go 3-way or even 4 Way SLI on this you're going to have to have some custom power supply options ready because there's not a lot of graphic there's not a lot of power supplies on the market that will actually give you 3 6 9 12 PCI Express power plugs for four-way but then again I don't think many people are going four-way on this card in fact I'm not even sure you could buy 4 of these at one time they're so freakin scarce alright enough about that let's go ahead and turn around let's talk about the charts and then I want to talk to you about my experience with this card and we'll just get we'll just get right on down to brass tacks honestly there's a lot to talk about here so if this videos a little long sorry no actually I'm not sorry at all watch the whole video you might learn something transition alright here we go we're gonna go ahead and talk about some charts but guys do me a favor yeah I know the colors and stuff aren't representative of the brand and I'm working on making it so that Nvidia cards are green on the chart and AMD cards are red I'm not very Excel proficient actually so if anyone can can email me and tell me how to make it so that like the gigabyte 980ti would always be green no matter where it is on the chart because we have notices if I make the actual graph itself green right here representing the g1 gaming if the g1 gaming moves the bar up here stays green with whatever is in its place so yeah anyway okay enough about that let's go ahead and talk about the cards we're going to compare it to today now I decided to go ahead and pick cards that are in the same performance category because we want to compare the 980ti kingpin - you know what NVIDIA has offering from the other brands MSI and gigabyte I do not have an asus strix do not ask me about the asus strix i cannot answer your questions about the asus tricks asus doesn't send me graphics cards so I cannot include them in my benchmarks moving forward we are comparing it to the r9 Furey try X which is the air-cooled fury card we are comparing it to the fury X and then we are comparing it to the Titan and then other variants of the 980ti and as you can see right here I have thrown in the GTX 970 SSC SLI because it is the exact same price of the cards here the 980ti range so here is the actual pricing right here now you can see over here on the Left I've got all the graphics cards pricing but the chart is only going to last you it's including all of them so anyway as you can see the 980 or the 380 nitros 219 but they go all the way up to 1,000 $49 for the kingpin 80% ASIC quality card so you can see we've got four kingpins represented here seventy-two percent plus seventy four percent plus seventy six percent plus an 80 percent plus and the tight necks right here at 999 matching the 76 plus ASIC quality from the kingpin now what I find kind of curious here on the pricing and I'm kind of I don't know why they did this in fact I didn't ask them and I should you've got a two percent bump between the 72 percent and the 74 percent and a $50 price difference for that 850 versus 899 technically that's it's actually 849 I should probably fix that Oh fixed okay see that's how we do alright but if you look here the 74 percent and 76 percent are again a two percent jump but a $100 $100 percent do remember to hurt you have a one hundred dollar difference between that two percent but then you have a four percent jump between 76 percent and 80 percent and again only a $50 jump so evj why the 100 dollar jump between 74 and 76 wouldn't these 76 or the 80 percent plus be a rare herb in making this more than a $50 jump so I don't understand this 100 dollar gap right there so I just want to point that out on the pricing but I am showing pricing is this based on new eggs pricing right now and of course as pricing as dynamic and it's going to change and I'll try to keep these charts up up to date as pricing changes but as cards become unavailable and they become phased out the pricing becomes no longer relevant on older series cards so it's always going to be the current series which is why I don't have you know the matrix platinum in here oh look at that a power color r9 390x hybrid mmm maybe we'll be doing something with that okay core clocks overclocking as you can see right here the gtx 980ti gaming from gigabyte is for megahertz faster on the max clock then I was able to achieve with my kingpin we were really trying for 1550 on the kingpin and we could we couldn't do it in fact I had EVGA helping out we just we couldn't do it my card is a 70 he said he thinks it's a 78% ASIC well ASIC quality GPU I forgot to look at it at GPC men total Foyle yeah I'll annotate what the cards ASIC quality is actually I put up a screen cap I'll do that before I edit this video huh okay anyway so you can see the tank the g1 gaming in the kingpin are gonna be pretty much neck and neck on clock speed this this 4 megahertz isn't going to make any difference the 980ti is trailing behind at 15 for 15 14 max 980ti hybrid 1484 970 s at 1400 the reference card for 980 TI you know to compare is at 40 know to overclock and my Titan X is only at 1400 I want you guys to keep this in mind as we go through the benchmarks because this is 125 megahertz lower then the kingpin that we're going to be comparing it to obviously the Titan X has more CUDA cores 256 more of them but we are running a bit slower here so this is I have four Titan X's in this office but the three best ones obviously are in skunkworks and then the one that's left is you know that's the one we have here which kind of craps is it craps its pants at anything over 1,400 not a very good overclocking Titan X all right temperatures the Titan X reference was the hottest at 86 and so is the reference that makes sense user reference coolers the kingpin overclocked maxed out at 75 and as you can see the fury X and the 980ti gaming both at 75 actually all three these at 75 and then the gigabyte g1 gaming came in coolest at 72 and then of course the AMD fury X came in the coolest at 56 because water cooling fire strike here is fire strike we've talked about this before where this is not a very accurate representation of really testing real-world experience or a real-world performance on a graphics card so again I want to point out that the 970 SSC sli of course scored the highest but I'm only showing this graph and I only include firestrike because I I want to really reiterate with the viewers that fire strike and in heaven and Valley benchmark are synthetic and they're they just do not account for enough API and other variables and gaming API and DirectX optimization where this is not going to be a true representation you know some reviewers would be like hey 970 SSE SLI is the fastest fire strike benchmark score therefore we can denounce and use other big words and things that probably don't fit in the sentence to say the 970 sse sli is the best config done ship it that doesn't work that way so the 980 TI kingpin overclocked was given us a graphic score remember guys this is graphics score this does not take CPU into account 21,000 117 who corrupt that's the fastest single card I've ever had come through here on fire strike you can see here on the 14 of the extreme numbers ten thousand seventy eight and five thousand fifteen on the the ultra there so when we sort it by standard which is 1080p you can see kingpin overclocked is king and the king pin non overclocked is below everything else but that's because admittedly these the gigabyte in the MSI I don't have benchmarks yet for stock speed I've got to go back and do those so these are all technically overclocked I forgot to I forgot to put the little OC on there so anyway if we sort this now by extreme you can see it pretty much stays the same we had a couple things swap spaces right here the hybrid and the MSI and the or the gaming 6g those swapped we look at ultra kingpin OC is even beating the 970 SS SSC SLI but that's because we're running into kind of a VRAM thing an issue here you know 3.5 gigabytes of vram it really starts to fall off and you know it's vessel is being beaten by a single card here as well as the hybrid which your three I found this to be kind of interesting because the 980ti kingpin overclocked as you can see right here ninety-seven frames per second just smashing the SLI configure of the 970 SSC so as you can see fire strike you can just kind of take a dump because obviously that's not representative of real-world 97 frames per second overclocked on the kingpin absolutely insane I mean almost 100 FPS which is a hard game to run and it did a fantastic job at 1080p as it should 1440p same story 71 FPS to above the g1 gaming from gigabyte and beating out the Titan X even with 256 less cuda cores the rest is kind of self-explanatory and the 484 K once again the kingpin OC and the 970 are matched at 4k so that's what I thought was kind of curious about this where 4k 42 frames per second on the kingpin overclocked and the SSC SLI 970 s were matching it but the SSC SLI could not actually keep up at 1080p or 1440 which was kind of weird because you would think the 4k is putting a bigger stress on the vram on here so I don't know what's witcher 3 has always been kind of a weird benchmark so i like to include it because i like weird things GTA v 1080p no surprise here the SSC sli is winning 141 kingpin right behind 139 FPS and then we just kind of go down from there unfortunately i mean you can kind of see here you know I haven't been mentioning AMD much representative because really AMD's theory is not representing I mean these numbers are very contrasts of which is kind of unfortunate especially when the fury and the gigabyte 980 are only $30 apart so mmm that's too bad Metro last light oh wait we've got to look at the other resolutions 1440p a the SS 970 sli still wins kingpin followed by the Titan X same exact fps and then the MSI and the gigabyte matching each other at 95 and then the rest is is down from there but look at this 105 on the arm side 98 on the kingpin versus 95 at 1440 not a huge difference and 4k same story the 9 70s li wins and grand theft auto 5 hands-down 3 FPS faster than the Titan but the Titan is faster than the kingpin at the 4k settings for GTA 5 and then of course gigabyte an MSI trailing couple FPS behind I mean these these are so close though you're not going to notice a performance difference between these two Metro last light 1080p kingpin just blows everything away here at 156 FPS 1440p again the sli config wins but the kingpins right behind it 102 and just pulls ahead of everybody else by quite a bit unfortunately AMD is still down here come on guys catch up and then for K you see 53 for SLI of 9 70s and 980ti kingpin 49 matched the Titan X so you can see but the I'm sorry I'm sniffling have a little bit of a cold but anyway the 980ti kingpin overclocked is matching the Titan X overclocked but member the Titan X is 125 megahertz lower than the kingpin and it's matching it and a lot of these tests so we'll talk about that a minute Crysis 3 106 FPS for 970 SLI followed by the Titan X at 102 followed by the gigabyte then the MSI then the EVGA s so for whatever reason that kingpin just in crisis didn't really keep up with I'm grant we're talking to what for FPS difference between the Titan and the kingpin again the Titan much lower overclock obviously but yeah compared to when you overclock it goes from 91 up to 98 so that's a 7 FPS increase it's a pretty big deal 1440p Titan X is the winner followed by 970 SLI followed by kingpin OC at 67 in fact they're matched at 67 and then everything else just kind of like fell down which is kind of funny especially since the gigabyte and the msi are overclocked and they weren't matching these numbers that's strange I can't I need to go back in overclock B's and or not overclock but put these back at base clock and see what happens they'll be even farther down the chart AMD is still down here like way for us guys Far Cry same story ESL like in big wins tight necks followed by kingpin way over 100 Esso unless you have 144 Hertz monitor running 1080p obviously you shouldn't even be looking at this card 1440p again 978 Titan X followed by the kingpin all at 79 though just Bam Bam Bam I love that a single GPU like this can actually match the 970 sli that's a big deal to me when one card can match two cards of especially two cards and are not slouches a 970 is not a slouch 4k as you can see here again SLI 9 70s Titan X followed by kingpin but only 2 FPS difference between the leader and where the kingpin is and then followed by the msi and the gigabyte and last but not least battlefield 4 177 fps and 1080p so even if you had a 14 or 144 Hertz monitor you would have to enable g-sync or vsync or or free sync or whatever you have actually not freezing my bed because they're down there under 144 anyway if you have 177 fps you still have to enable vsync are you going to get some tearing that's a big deal when one card can make 144 Hertz monitor have to enable vsync or vsync when we look at 1440p 128 frames per second the Titan EXO's CUDA cores picking up the slack 970 SSE SLI 124 followed by the gigabyte then the msi then the EVGA hybrid then the reference then the kingpin I don't understand why the kingpin just like fell on its face down here this doesn't make sense to me but I did it several times and you know battlefield 4 battlefield Far Cry yeah there we go battlefield 4 is a hard it's a hard game to actually benchmark because there's so many variables in it I mean that it is just impossible to keep things static and inconsistent so it could have just been what was happening in the map at that moment I don't know but you can see here we've got quite the difference but then in 4k it's kicking ass so for whatever reason I think that 1440p test even though I do it multiple times the average is just it just had something to do with that match but anyway there we go there's that you know I think it's a big deal that the 970 sli cheaper than the kingpin is beating it elvis lee in many many tests even at higher resolutions showing that the 970 with 3.5 gigabytes of vram you know really accessible VRAM is a contender it is something to consider over over a high-end card like this of course you're going to have less profile issues you're gonna have less overclocking issues less heat less requirements of your system with a single card so I'd still recommend it but I just like seeing that a single card can be an SLI config and the SLI config at least in some tests but again when we come back to the price here uh is it really I mean considering the kingpin is being beaten by the other cards or at least matched by the other cards or at least within 1% or 2% of the other cards but at a price premium is it worth it well let's go and talk about that right now I've been just a little bit conflicted on how I want to end this video because it's it's a fine line talking about facts versus subjective opinions and I kind of try to do my best to separate both now I know what EVGA is doing here and I know it Vince kingpins goal is with this card this is a card basically where you want to go out and have all the custom shit that Vince does and he's going to put as much of that as he possibly can on a card put his name on it and be like the potential in this card is the best you could possibly buy and that's what they're going for with this the part I have a problem with is how many people are really going for that now I guess that's something where it's up to you to decide if that's what you want in the card but if you're looking to just buy a 980ti take it out of the box and put it in a system this is not really the most cost effective way of getting good 980ti performance because as you saw with the gigabyte card being 210 dollars less than this guy is because this is a eight hundred and ninety nine dollar ASIC card this is a 77% card nine hundred and ninety nine dollars nine hundred dollar graphics card and for $689 you can get the gigabyte g1 gaming which is going to give you what within 2% of the performance I was getting with this card is that 2 percent worth 210 dollars to you I mean that's the subjective part now if you're if you're like okay I just want to buy a card that I can rip the cooler off which is unfortunate because that's kind of the best part of this card is this sexy sexy copper cooler then we'll keep it in view we'll keep it nice and pretty over there then that's definitely the card for you it's got the 14 plus 3v RM power phase delivery it's got Samsung manned in there for the memory so I was able to even overclock this memory over plus 400 in fact I did plus 500 and when I was doing my overclocking and stuff and it stayed stable for me but I backed it off to plus 400 because I want to make sure I wasn't gonna get any crashes the problem is when you crash halfway through your benchmark suite you got to start off freaking over and it takes forever so I backed it off to plus 400 most of the other cards are not using Samsung memory which are lesser quality so the components pick for this card are top-notch top-shelf best componentry that you can pretty much get to build a GPU with so the part that disappoints me is that the card was just not able to live up to a standard of overclocking as far as I'm concerned at least not out of the box I can't speak for its Ellen to potential this card could still be a dud on ellentube for all I know because I haven't tested that but if you're if you're just an average buyer and you're looking at the pricing going Wow the price of this card and the ASIC quality and all that sort of stuff you would think this card is going to be fantastic but as you saw it was four megahertz behind the gigabyte g1 gaming not beat the gigabyte in all the tests which is kind of funny considering the fact that they're the exact same core but the supporting infrastructure on this card is better for the GPU there was no throttling 170 percent power target I mean that's insane 170 percent you can go 70 percent above the reference power target or reference design of the GPU and that's kind of insane in fact in all of my testing even overclocked before reaching like 89 to 95 percent power target so that hundred and 70 didn't even really make a difference at all so that's clearly going to be for when you really start bumping up that power delivery but I can't do that because that's not the type of testing that I do now the question is are there any 980ti s that can even reach that 1550 plus mark 1550 plus like 1600 is just pretty much unheard of all the cards I have seemed to sit right around that 1520 mark below below a little bit above my Titan X is over here all sit at about 1500 and then the other one that I have as you saw crapped out of 1400 so the GM 200 seems to be very very picky when it comes to overclocking so how much does it matter when you build a card like this with all supporting stuff on it are you really going to get what are you really going to get anything above those numbers right now the data that I have in here is saying that no you're not going to but as you can see performance is still going to vary now just putting full disclosure out there this is actually the second 980ti kingpin that I had that's why this video took so long the first one just would not go above 1520 megahertz and no matter what I did didn't matter if I use the V group setting it didn't matter if we were playing with the voltages it was still like that other card was I think a 78% ASIC quality a little bit higher than this one and it just didn't matter we couldn't get above 1520 I thought well wait a minute this is a kingpin card this thing should just be like busting through the ceiling when it comes to the max achievable megahertz but that this wasn't happening so I took the card back over to EVGA live local to them so that's fortunate they got me another one all the way from Taiwan and unfortunately this card as you saw 15 25 was the highest I could get out of it tons of crashing anything above that tons of crashing didn't matter if K boost was on it didn't matter if I was manually overclocking or doing over voltages or over over boosting played with guys I spent so many days screwing around with this to where I finally I'm just okay 1525 that's where it is that's where I'm going to go it's unfortunate thought the card should go higher so I'm disappointed that it that it didn't I'm a little disappointed that - now I can understand one but to kingpin cards back-to-back not going any higher than that to me was very very disappointing I really expected more for the card especially considering how much GM 204 loved to overclock like 1600 on the classified it was like said it move the slider boom done didn't touch it stable this could be these cards were picky as fuck it was really frustrating guy like me who has tons of experience with overclocking - just have to sit there and say well I guess that's where I have to leave it I at the end of the day overclocking this card left me frustrated and that's what bugged me because I was used to the classified and the other kingpin cards just being so much better but it's starting to look more and more like it's not the fault of you know EVGA or gigabyte or msi I started to look back the GM 200 is just extremely picky about the power delivery because I got this card stable at 1550 I ran heaven loop for almost a half hour over 20 minutes no crashes whatsoever stop the test restarted the test got an immediate grey screen with a hard lock and never got 1552 work again so that's the part that really left me frustrated it's like why the hell did it stop working well it's really looking like the power delivery on it is what makes things you know kind of insane now this isn't the only high-end overclocking card we're going to be looking at in here we're going to be testing on the cards in fact I do have missing as heavy as hell an MSI lightning that we'll be taking a look at so that's going to either validate or invalidate the idea of the kingpin card you know when it comes to custom overclocking cards if the core just can't handle it it doesn't matter what you build it build around it then you know the cores are going to ultimately decide what it's willing to do or not so there you go guys that is my honest opinion a can't get any more honest said I did in this video the whole point of doing this is about being honest and transparent I don't sugarcoat things I don't hide things that was my experience with it and you guys have to decide whether or not paying an hundred a minimum of a hundred and eighty dollars more then another custom 980ti is worth it to you to have well honestly what is really the sexiest 980ti on the market with a high ASIC quality buy remember that doesn't mean anything when it comes to overclocking it's just hopefully you'll get a better overclocking experience than I did but is it worth it to you do you guys think that the premium price on this card is worth it based on what you saw here today now please for the love of God don't just take my word for this check out other reviews I know there hasn't been a lot of reviews on this card out there and unfortunately right now I might be the only review on youtube but I really hope a sends out some more samples of this card and if it wasn't for the fact that I already know the results of what this card is I might have sent it to another youtuber to be like hey give me your opinion on this card but I already know what the results are going to be because I spent a lot of time on this I'd love to see another sample with another youtuber or another written outlet to see what their experiences are and you should do that too don't take just my opinion for this I'm one of voice I am one experience I'm one opinion in all of this and I am not the I'm not the final say on this card whatsoever this is just my experience so guys thanks for watching I know this video is long if you guys want to follow me on Twitter or Instagram usually that stuff is just more goofy I don't I do some tech stuff there but it's really kind of just a goofy 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