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what's up guys Jays $0.02 here and you might notice the set behind me we never tore it down because when I did that budget build video a lot of you guys were like hey I don't agree with that hardware you could have done it this way he made it better and you know what you guys were right jisu cents is sponsored by precision camera and video Texas largest photographer and video retailer located in Austin for over 40 years they're giant 20,000 square foot showroom floor local workshops and worldwide shipping are just a few reasons why you should head right now to precision - camera comm so on that video you guys saw that I used an H 270 m for the pentium g 45 60 F if those ever seem to remember four or five six - the arrow 45 60 you guys were mad because that was a on Amazon with 87 99 kind of expensive right and you guys were mad at me you're like you could have gotten an H 110 and done a BIOS update because it's it will support seventh gen CPUs with a BIOS update and you could get that much cheaper well that's what I got right here the same day that video went live I ordered an h1 10m gaming three I'm not convinced that it has the BIOS on it that I already need to update the Intel you know the BIOS to recognize the Intel seventh gen processor but yeah things are happening over there anyway yeah so if for some reason I put in the Pentium and it doesn't recognize it means the BIOS is out of date the problem is and I didn't think about this until after I ordered it I can't update the BIOS if it doesn't recognize because I don't have any 6th gen processors hanging out I don't I don't have anything 6700 K a 6600 any of that so I may not be able to update it and try it with this motherboard that might have to be a follow up video but the good news is if I just take that processor and stick it in this motherboard and run the test that stock speeds like we did before nothing's gonna change in termina performance it's just a cheaper motherboard with an the older chipset but I would definitely like to test that to keep it as apples as Apple's as possible but you guys were also like what the hell what what gives you why did you get an a320 motherboard and then put Rison in it obviously got to overclock it to make it better well I picked up the be 350 gaming pro from MSI because it came in actually at the exact if you guys could see the look nick is kidding me right now I guess we're gonna test your ability in this I bought that I don't hear any Raylan oh it's hanging over the edge I see that now where was I oh yeah yeah so I just bought that motherboard and it costs by the way you guys can find links to this stuff down at amazon ste $9.99 so that was the exact same price as what I paid for the a320 motherboard huh now I see why you guys are so mad so what we're gonna do today no fancy editing or any montages or that crap we're gonna just go ahead and we're gonna stick the Athlon in this motherboard update the BIOS and then we are going to run our tests again and then put the Rhys n3 back in there run our test again and then we'll see where it stood up to the Pentium processor he's alive you guys were super mad about that video if you guys are sure what your video I'm referencing to it'll pop out here you guys can go and check it out all right we'll be back in a sec why am i turning drop its products so this video has kind of taken an interesting turn here in that we were testing stuff obviously once again the Intel fortunately booted with our motherboard I did of course do a BIOS update on the AMD board as well to make sure that it supported Verizon fully even though it worked there were updated our updates with things like memory support whatnot so always update your BIOS guys when you're doing motherboards with new platform trust me it's important couple of interesting things here though we noticed what the H 110 that we were seeing slight drops in performance on the intel side very very very slight drops but drops nonetheless so worth pointing out but what we noticed was when I started running the Athlon against we tested the Athlon once more I want to see if there was a boost if there was any overclocking ability whatsoever with B 315 Athlon there really wasn't it wouldn't let me change anything so the Athlon is truly locked down and those numbers were as consistent as could be so if you're going with the Athlon processor and you don't plan on upgrading or I don't know I don't mean people really don't plan on upgrading their PC but the a320 it performed exactly the same as the B 350 and considering this this motherboard we got here right the B 350 M gaming pro versus the where is it the a 320 m HD - from gigabyte being the same price might as well at least get the B 350 but we know so the performance was pretty much identical across the board almost down to the fraction when it comes to the FPS but something interesting happened when I put the Rison 1200 on the B 350 we started seeing that all those scores improved slightly they they were still nowhere near the Intel scores and a couple of things I want to talk about with that and don't like draw the conclusions yet there's there's some interesting things we discovered we need to talk about one I I've used this processor already guys remember I did like the seven hundred and fifty dollar build where I used the tomahawk board which is better suited for overclocking than this guy is this does not have this is not a motherboard designed for like high-end overclocking it's just got some unlock features on it but we noticed that I could not get anywhere near the processor speed or memory speed that I could get on tomahawk board I was able to achieve 3.9 gigahertz on the tomahawk as well as 30 200 megahertz with not the same memory but a different memory module on the tomahawk on here I can only get 20 667 out of the memory and we know rise in love memory speed so that's something to keep in mind that again that could just also be you know the the quality of the memory and whether or not that it wants to overclock 2,400 is its XMP profile I was running at 20 667 could not get higher and then I was only able to run the CPU at 3.6 and like I said I could get 3.9 at the tomahawk if I went three point seven or anything higher it just continued to hard lock on boot couldn't get a post power cycle stuff like that and that was on the newest bios so I was hoping with 200 extra megahertz 3.4 versus 3.6 that we would see an improvement in performance and we did not so that tells us two things one the processor is not bottlenecking at 1050 right the Athlon was a little bit but horizon 1200 should not be behind electing at 1050 and it wasn't but when we looked started looking really closely side by side at the frequencies being achieved between the AMD system on Rison 1200 and the Intel g40 560 we noticed that the Intel system was running slightly higher on frequency for the GPU usually right around 1779 1780 on the frequency versus around 13 or 17 36 on the AMD system and I started wondering if what was going on there well obviously maybe the score differentials we were seeing had something to do with the processor slowing down the GPU so what we did was we then switched the GPUs right we got is we got two of them right here obviously we switched the GPUs and ran the tests again and guess what we saw a really significant increase on the AMD side and a decrease on the intel side so what at the end of this video we actually learned over to different videos of playing around with this hardware spending I don't know at least ten hours or more playing with this stuff now we learned that what was more important than what CPU you were using in terms of performance was the differential in quality between the GPUs even though these are exactly the same GPU from the exact same manufacturer I'm about to drop the box they're just boxes guys chill I'll put him down we learned that there was a difference in variance and performance between both those GPUs which made a bigger difference overall than what CPU you were using Verizon versus Pentium so that I guess that makes sense right you're talking about things like ASIC quality you're talk about GPU boost 3.0 that's gonna take various things into factor the amount of power being news the amount of power available to it remember these do not have supplemental power so they're pulling power only through the motherboard and that means that we're also dealing with temperatures and difference of quality there we notice one of the cards gets about 6 C hotter than the other card which is going to affect the amount of GPU boost performance that you can get out of it manual overclocking brought the two closer together but that really shows that out of the box there is more important there was more difference with the GPU performance affecting our scores than the CPUs so I guess there's a huge moral of the story there now obviously there's more to CPUs than just GPU performance right you would choose a CPU for multiple things multiple tasks tasks and stuff so I'm gonna do right now is I've got Cinebench up right here we're just gonna compare the two now in cinnamon I know that's only one synthetic it doesn't tell the whole story but at least it's something to kind of go off and I'm gonna hand these off to Nick he's gotta come get these now props were a good idea but then they got in the way so I'm gonna start both of these tests on the count of three one two three and you'll see now that when it comes to both of these there is a pretty significant difference on the rise end when it comes to you know the Cinebench workflow then there is on the Intel and this was one of the complaints I heard on the previous video too was like yeah Gaming is only one thing but you know if I'm gaming and I have a live stream open or youtube open on another screen listening to music listening to videos I got multiple things going on then what then am I going to get a better experience on AMD or am I going to get a better experience on Intel and if you use Cinebench as sort of a base marker you can see obviously rise n is just smashing the Intel when it comes to multi-threaded performance and it goes without saying and people know Intel has better instructions per clock which games will usually leverage but when it comes to overall compute tests and you know if you're doing multitasking then the Rison system you can see is significantly ahead of the Intel so I guess a little bit it looks like right because there are two different sized monitors one one looks like it's way ahead but it is definitely ahead that's something else I need to mention - two different size monitors but wrote both running 1080p the size of the panel does not mean the number of pixels some people were really confused with that in the last video it's not because it was a bigger panel that that meant that was gonna be harder on the GPU doesn't really work that way but I'm just killing time now wait please to finish you guys can see in real time the the timing difference between these two systems right the the Intel still going risin has been done for a while Rison just did a 557 score still waiting for Intel to catch up hyper-threading yo get in there almost done that was a huge difference between the two huh in terms of time so yeah it's a 380 2 versus the 557 so that's significant at least in that one test so there's actually two different takeaways here right if you were comparing the Athlon with the a320 or the B 350 right the same price you can put the Intel on an h1 10 and bring the price down to match that under $500 both both platforms will give you a really good experience for under 500 I'd still go with the G 4560 obviously versus the Athlon but if you're going to compare it to the 500 plus price point and you're definitely going to get more performance out of the AMD at the 520 ish dollar range on a be 350 platform compared to the Intel when it comes to multitasking and stuff like that you just have to keep your fingers crossed when it comes to the overclocked ability which is kind of the last point of today's video if you're new to building computers and you've not spent a lot of time on this you don't geek out over it you're just trying to get your feet wet in this genre and you have no very little experience to go off of I don't know how much time you're gonna spend trying to overclock this because even with all my knowledge of Rison I had to go through quite a bit of testing and quite a bit of failures and crashes and CMOS clears to bring the system back after I was trying to find my Mac stable overclock which is another thing to consider right if you don't want to overclock it if you're scared to overclock it out of the box performance at stock speeds the Intel is still edging it out just a little bit in games but still not in multi-threaded tests there's a million different ways we could have done this test and I want to continue this series so if you have some suggestions on what we should do to continue this series of budget testing then definitely guys put your comments down below these videos exist because of those comments obviously this one as well something to go now guys thanks for watching don't forget Jays two cents merch available link down below of this video and once again a huge thank you to me for sponsoring today's video I have my own pocket so thanks for that smash the like button again if you guys appreciate that as always I will see you in the next video I had to thank myself