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okay we've got a lot to talk about today especially if you're a fan of AMD and even if you're not we're going to talk about today is going to affect everybody so you should probably listen wait-wait-wait-wait-wait it's Christmas can't week but we're way away will you wait guys he came he came what time is it guys I got a fractal design Calvin s 36 oh no he's like way too early for this I'll get the coffee okay huh jeepers a custom build by J's to set aside a factor design define an OS I love the holidays golly a fractal design core 500 yeah guys look Matan party for days this is what makes it all worth this season spoiled the ones you love with the gift of Awesomeness happy holidays from fractal design okay so we have got more information now about Zen excuse me I mean Rison I mean summit ridge whatever which is the only reason I'm even willing to talk about it today because I've said a million times I don't like to talk about rumor but we are at a big crossroads here when it comes to desktop CPUs and so I thought this information might be important especially for people who are on the cusp of buying new hardware that you might want to just hold off for just a second if you already bought something especially if you bought an AMD CPU don't freak out because still there's a lot of unanswered questions and those those are some of the things I want to bring up today so AMD just did a press conference where they showed some more raw performance of summit ridge versus an i7 69 hundred K which is an $1,100 CPU so let's keep that in mind as we move forward because these specs are new I have not get them memorized so I'm going to be using a bit of a cheat sheet here Sumi but when you go down the list here the specs are nearly identical to the 6900 k i7 of course which is a Broadwell ebay cpu again $1100 CPU I want to point that out that's what retail is 1,100 so we are seeing AMD here going toe-to-toe with $1,000 cpu from Intel actually it's more than $1,000 depending where you buy it but I digress alright so AMD's risin here is built on a 14 nanometer FinFET architecture it's got eight cores and sixteen threads just like the 6100 k it's got a 3.4 gigahertz base clock 200 megahertz up from the 3.2 found on the Intel it has got an unknown turbo boost AMD has not divulged any of that information yet they're kind of keeping that a little bit secret here they don't want to tip off their hat too much to Intel but to Intel will boost a 3.7 with a max turbo boost of 4 gigahertz so we've got to see if Intel AMD is going to even match that I have no reason to believe they wouldn't in fact I'd be surprised if we're seeing numbers here that are deep into the 4 gigahertz range as we start getting our hands on those and start seeing what the boost to an overclock - they both have 20 megabytes of cache and they both operate ddr4 memory now here's where things start to differ just a little bit here Intel uses a quad channel memory set up on their x99 base CPUs which of course the 6900 K is AMD is only using a dual channel now whether or not that's going to hurt it in the long run I guess we'll just have to wait and see this is only going to matter to people who are using their CPUs to the absolute limit people who are doing extreme CAD drawing 3d modeling even rendering and doing 4k rendering with quad channels not going to be as big of a hit compared to or with dual channels compared to quad channel so I don't see that as being a huge issue but again that's something we'll have to test once we get our hands on it to see what kind of differences there really are I guess one thing to do would be take like a 59 60 X or a 69 hundred K which are about the same CPU and we are going to have to disable or take two sticks of memory out and compare in fact I think that's a test I'll have to do here I don't think it's going to be that big of a deal for people who are doing especially things like games and YouTube and streaming and stuff like that of course the more memory channels the better I'm kind of curious as to why AMD stuck with a dual channel configuration AMD is touting 95 watt TDP on their 8 core 16 thread rise n CPU that's that's huge because you guys have always made the jokes AMD is known as the space heater in the winter yeah and you know the temperature of the Sun in the summer of course those jokes have always been applicable to the Radeon graphics side more so than the CPU but 95 watt TDP that is a huge huge improvement over the one hundred and forty watt TDP found on the comparable Intel here now we don't know what pricing is going to be yet but it's kind of what I want to talk about mostly today on how this is going to affect the community is going to be based entirely on price because we've already seen in the latest benchmarks here from AMD and the live benchmarks that with no turbo clock enabled on their CPU remember they did they that's a question mark we don't know what it's going to actually turbo clock up to yet 3.4 gigahertz was beating the 69 hundred K in various tests like handbrake and ZBrush or ZBrush core and of course a blender we if the core can go farther in terms of speed then we're seeing with Intel then we're going to see a better performance out of AMD at a lesser TDP which is going to force a kind of a movement here in the CPU market which has been very stagnated now that's what this has to do with the community here because if you're not having competition in the space you have no incentive to spend big R&D numbers to get better performance because you're already dominating a market which intel has had a solid ten years of just bored and not really doing much and giving us really shitty improvements Intel I think you've done some great things but you've really let the desktop community down as far as I'm concerned with the improvements we've seen over the last four or five generations by giving us this tick-tock method here of a slight increase in performance and clock numbers and then very small architecture changes so there's really been no reason to spend a bunch of money in the community but if AMD is finally able to compete and give Intel run for their money prices half come down I can't see AMD really trying to compete at the thousand dollar CPU market so the question is how much is it going to cost them to make the CPU and how much is it going to cost the community to adopt this CPU because I don't see a lot of AMD fans who've really based their entire love for AMD being based on performance per dollar running out and spending a thousand dollars on a CPU I don't see them running out and spending seven hundred and fifty dollars on a CPU in fact if you guys remember when the AMD 95 90 first came out they tried a ridiculous thousand dollar price tag on that because it was actually achieving five gigahertz um yeah the community pretty much laughed at that and what do they cost today um $199 yeah I mean look how far that's come down is an 80% price drop because the community did not adopt it then again the performance really wasn't there either but the performance is there now what's the price going to be because if they come out with something like swing let's just say 500 bucks okay I that's still a lot for an AMD CPU and that's a lot for the community to really gamble with with a company that has really kind of lost its way over the load and gone through hi CEO turnover and just really really had has not been there for the extreme performance market so that's a big gamble right now if you jump on Team AMD's bandwagon moving forward is what is the upgrade path going to be unfortunately if you've adopted am-3 recently you cannot adopt this CPU because a m4 is a new platform moving forward now there's something else I kind of want to talk about here actually a couple things there's so much I could talk about here but these are just some questions that I've had for the community and this is why this is kind of an open-ended video here where I want you guys to have a adult and civil conversation I know this is asking an awful lot of the YouTube comments section is how you guys feel this is going to play out we're not going to see any of this until early 2017 it's been pushed back a little bit we were expecting a q3 q4 2016 it's now q1 2017 that's probably one of the major questions I have right now is what is the upgrade path going to be and not only that what is the CPU lineup going to be they can't read debut this with just one CPU it yeah I know that have server CPU coming out the extreme CPU like we just saw Anna Notebook CPUs but there what is the lineup going to be within that desktop range right there is it just going to be this one CPU that you can adopt at XYZ dollars and that's it or are they going to have a shape down version like a four core eight thread or even a four core with no hyper threading I mean what that's some of the biggest questions I have right there because you're only going to adopt that mainstream performance per dollar market if you have obviously options the other thing that kind of sucks about this though is to take advantage of the new CPUs is you have to adopt Windows 10 Microsoft has sort of strong-armed Bank route or Windows 10 down the throats of PC users everywhere and now you can only adopt the new CPU architectures on both AMD and Intel cabie Lake is also going to require Windows 10 which really really sucks but if you're not going to update to Windows 10 then don't bother upgrading your CPU now nobody's got a chance to actually test yet what's going to happen with the new CPUs if you try and run it on an older operating system because they're not in anyone's hands yet but that's a question that's waiting to be asked so what does this mean for the community it could mean some great things if price competition is starting to take place I don't think AMD and Intel are going to try and battle it out at the thousand dollar price mark I just don't and I'm really really hoping here and I'm praying to gaben that somehow AMD has made this manufacturing process affordable for them and they can do it at a huge huge upset of like 500 bucks for performance based CPU that's matching the 60 100 K at $1,100 that will shake up everything so am I going to run out and build a system using summit ridge of course I am you guys know I'm going to assume this is huge this is not something I'm going to leave on the table and not try out I feel like I need to have a permanent test bench set up as well with summit ridge so that we can do side-by-side comparisons and see exactly helpings are performing there and I would be doing the community a disservice if I didn't cover both of those especially now that we've got a level playing field about to take place here in the CPU market as long as the train doesn't derail which unfortunately rooting for AMD their trains never seem to stay on the track especially when it comes to their marketing team so guys don't mess this one up don't mess this one up all eyes are on you guys I'm gonna be blunt don't it up okay all right guys that's been my two cents let me know what you guys think down in the comments please try and keep it civil fanboy isms aside this is big for everyone AMD a named AMD and AMD fans alike of course but AMD and Intel fans alike we might finally for the first time in a decade see some true competition taking place here in the CPU market it's exciting sound off in the comments guys and as always don't forget to subscribe and I will see you in the next video